AI Slop is Killing the Internet, OpenAI DevDay, Google Pixel 10 Pro Fold Review
Download MP3Hello, boys. I'm back. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. Of course, I'm talking about Slide Over on iPad is back. We'll talk about that beta.
Stephen Robles:OpenAI had its dev day, where now OpenAI is working in a bunch of apps. Pixel 10 Pro Fold, Jason actually has it in hand. We're gonna talk about that Pixel Watch four. I have to talk about AI slop and how it has to stop. Once again, not doing doctor Seuss again this episode, but also a ton more personal tech.
Stephen Robles:Jason can talk about the Paper Pro move and more. This episode is brought to you by Claude by Anthropic, Gusto, and OpenCase for iPhone, and, of course, all you the members who support us directly. I'm one of your hosts. I don't know where I just got the spike of energy from, Steven Robles, and joining me, my friend Jason Nathan. How's it going, Jason?
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Stephen Robles:I don't know how that happened. I'm sorry. We just had a thirty minute preshow, so maybe that was it.
Jason Aten:We were just at a good
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Jason Aten:up. Was a very good warm up. We are ready to go.
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Stephen Robles:No. I don't.
Jason Aten:Quaid was in. Come on. The obvious one is, like What? National Lampoon Vacation.
Stephen Robles:I've not seen that movie.
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Listener Chris:Hey, guys. It's, Chris Peck, CR Peck, calling from off the West Coast Of California on a cruise ship, the Royal Princess. Been listening to your podcast. Always enjoy your podcast. And I'm rocking the iPhone Air.
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Stephen Robles:That's an awesome voice mail from Chris. Calling us from a cruise ship. That's a flex. It's like
Jason Aten:That's almost as good as having an accent.
Stephen Robles:It's pretty far up there. IPhone Air. We got another iPhone Air user, and his battery percentage on, at least for now. So that's super fun. Thank you, Chris, for leaving that.
Stephen Robles:Leave us a voice mail. The link is in the show notes. We love to play it on the show. Jason, are you
Jason Aten:What he's really saying though is I don't care if I drop this thing and break the screen, but I have to know how much battery is left.
Stephen Robles:No case. I think that's what he meant by commando style. No no case.
Jason Aten:Yeah. Think so too.
Stephen Robles:No no case. No capes. I should have done that as the I should save it for another nope. Alright. Exciting news.
Stephen Robles:IPadOS 26 dot one beta two came out. I was off the beta train, Jason. I was not running any betas on any devices, and then they pulled me back in because this latest beta brought Slide Over back. And it's not the exact Slide Over implementation that you might have remembered from iPadOS 18 and earlier, but it is one window, one app that will stay on top of all the other windows. You can slide it off to the left or right side of the screen.
Stephen Robles:You can actually resize it now, like, even vertically and horizontally, which is new compared to the previous implementation. But, again, just one app. So you can put an app in slide over mode in iPadOS 26.1. And if you do a second app, it'll kick out the first app from slide over mode. But it's a lot of people are excited that this was back.
Stephen Robles:I think this means maybe Apple's listening to some of the windowing requests. I don't know. Were you excited for Slide Over coming back?
Jason Aten:I mean, I wrote about it.
Stephen Robles:You did write it.
Jason Aten:I said that Apple brought back one of its best features, and I I think I will say I'm really glad it's back.
Stephen Robles:Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
Jason Aten:Also, I hate the liquid glass of it.
Stephen Robles:There's a
Jason Aten:It's kinda weird how the app is just sitting on a sheet of glass. That's totally unnecessary.
Stephen Robles:A glass border, pretty thick border around the, slide over the app.
Jason Aten:And I don't know if it's because they want you to know that that's the slide over app, like, to distinguish it from any other window that you might have just stuck there, I guess. So I I guess that makes sense, but that's the part I don't like.
Stephen Robles:I guess. Yeah.
Jason Aten:I think that the do you think they'll bring back multiple option like, you can have them? Because that to me was what I loved about it is I could have messages, email, and Slack and just swipe between them and always have them available. Now you you do like you said, you only get one, which is fine. Like, it's better than zero. One is definitely better than zero.
Jason Aten:Having the feature, I will take. I'm curious if that will if they'll make it more robust. But more importantly, I'm curious because I've seen people say, oh, see, obviously, they were always gonna bring back slide over. They just had to whatever whatever get people used to the windowing or get people whatever. I don't think so.
Jason Aten:I think they were like, nobody cares about this. Let's just go, you know, full throated into this Windowing. New windowing world, and then they realized, oh, wait. Actually, some people do care about this. Which one of those two things do you think it was?
Stephen Robles:Because this is like a snuck in feature to a beta two of 26.one, I think they listened to user feedback. I think they heard a lot of people, maybe on social media. I mean, obviously, if you look at the betas over the summer, the liquid glass wavered widely from, like, very transparent to almost opaque back and forth. So I think they're trying to listen to user feedback, and this seemed like an implementation where they could add it and it doesn't take away or change all the windowing features. Like, you never have to use Slide Over, and you wouldn't even know it exists in 26 dot one, you like, when you update.
Stephen Robles:So I could see that. I don't think they're gonna bring back, like, the multiple apps in Slide Over because I feel like this is going to appease most people who wanted Slide Over. You know,
Jason Aten:just Yeah. You're probably right. Also, Apple almost never makes any effort. I I shouldn't say never.
Stephen Robles:That's a sweeping statement.
Jason Aten:Apple's thing is not, like, to let you they don't usually focus attention on features that are rolling out in the beta. Correct. Right? They don't usually be like, psst, download that beta.
Stephen Robles:That There's something I I don't know how much we could say, but, yeah, that was interesting that that was kind of highlighted in a in a beta beta two.
Jason Aten:All we'll say is Apple wanted people to know that this isn't the beta.
Stephen Robles:That's a great way to say it. This is why yeah. Jason's been in this game a long time. A long time. So but I took this opportunity not only to show off Slide Over, but then I was like, listen.
Stephen Robles:If Apple's taking requests, I'm requesting split view back. And at the end of my video, I'll link it in the show notes. Look at look at this wild stuff. If listen. If you tell me that you could basically do split view in windowing now on iPad, you're wrong because it is not the same.
Stephen Robles:It works way worse. And even things like trying to get the menu bar for an iPad app, like I'm literally doing it in the video right here, it it does weird stuff, weird behaviors, and it, like, resizes windows when you're trying to pull down the menu. And the one reason I love split view is because of how quickly you could take an app from your dock, drag it to the side, and in one motion, basically, have a fifty fifty view with the app that was already on screen and the new app. And to do that from scratch on iPadOS 26, you have to, like, actually window an app. You have to open the app.
Stephen Robles:You have to window it. Then you have to flick it over to one side or the other. And, also, universal control is kinda broken when you try to drag apps from the Mac to the iPad. All I'm saying is if you're if Apple's if Apple's taking requests, if they're listening, I'm saying bring back split view and just put it in the when you're not in windowing or stage manager mode. Because obviously, Apple is no longer
Jason Aten:So make a third mode is what you're
Stephen Robles:Clearly, Apple's not averse.
Jason Aten:We need
Stephen Robles:a third mode. Clearly, Apple's not averse to modes because right now, you can have full screen mode, you can have windowing mode, and you can have stage manager. Those are three modes right now in iPadOS 26 that you could just activate. So all I'm saying is in that full screen mode, just let me drag an app and make it split view like it was before. We can be done.
Stephen Robles:We can stop talking about windowing. That's all I'm saying.
Jason Aten:Don't okay. I sorry. But
Stephen Robles:Yes. You may.
Jason Aten:What you're basically saying is
Stephen Robles:Uh-huh.
Jason Aten:Thank you so much for giving this thing that we've been asking for for so long, but could you just go back and do the other things?
Stephen Robles:No. Do do all the things.
Jason Aten:Yep. Do all the
Stephen Robles:things. Steve. Do all the things. I never and here's the thing. I posted about it on social media, and there are a lot of people that were like, well, all these people ask for a map had to be like a Mac forever.
Stephen Robles:Now they're complaining. There's a lot of hours of my voice on the internet, both in podcast form and YouTube. I don't remember ever saying I wanted windowing or Mac on the iPad. Jason said that in this podcast. Were like, just put Mac OS on the iPad.
Stephen Robles:Lots of people said that.
Jason Aten:I didn't say just put macOS. I said basically that's where they're headed. Or that that's what people are asking for.
Stephen Robles:Okay. And people do ask for that. I never ask
Jason Aten:for And to be clear, I don't think they're gonna just put macOS
Stephen Robles:on Right.
Jason Aten:Right. I just, I'm sure I've said things that make people think that I want them to do. I've done
Stephen Robles:so Okay. Much A lot of people do ask for that and want that, and I've never said it. I think I have specifically said, I don't want macOS on iPad. I think it works really well as a tablet combo device right now. So that doesn't apply to me.
Stephen Robles:I I don't think. You could search all the transcripts of this show. I don't think I ever said that. I'm and all I'm saying is just just bring back split view in the full screen mode. Golden.
Stephen Robles:Golden. And I know you can run listen. If you if you comment that you can create the shortcut that fifty fifty's apps, if you think I don't know that, I know that. Okay. The problem is you have to decide the apps when you create the shortcut or do it ask every time, and it's multiple steps.
Stephen Robles:The reason why I put apps in the dock is so I could quickly split view them at any given moment and choose what I'm split viewing. So anyway and you could you could have done it from Spotlight before too. You could search for an app, drag it from Spotlight, and it would have split view. But anyway, Alright. So slide over is back.
Stephen Robles:Let's get into the other big news of the week. OpenAI had its dev day. Was it day or days? Was it multiple days?
Jason Aten:I I I thought it was called dev day, but maybe there's more of them than one.
Stephen Robles:They had a lot of announcements, whatever it was. But it was OpenAI as it was talking about developers. I guess it's kind of like Dub Dub if you think for, ChatGPT and OpenAI. They had a bunch of announcements. One, apps are available inside ChatGPT starting this week.
Stephen Robles:It was starting today when they announced it. So apps like booking.com, Canva, Expedia, Figma, Spotify, and Zillow, when you are in ChatGPT and you're working in them, you can actually access those apps. And OpenAI is going to add more like DoorDash, OpenTable, Target, and Uber. And I found this really fascinating because if you listen to the Vergecast or if you hear about the Apple's voice assistant, one of the big questions was, are these third party apps going to allow AI agent style tools to access their services because it would obfuscate the need for users to go to those apps? And a lot of those apps, like DoorDash or Uber, really kinda depend on ads or upsells in order like, for the business.
Stephen Robles:Like, that's just part of going to the app and and using it. And if you were to use ChatGPT and other agent type software to book your car or order your delivery food, then you don't you're not in those apps. But, apparently, the pull of AI is strong enough that they are allowing ChatGPT to do it. And I I am wondering, tell me if this is pie in the sky, Jason, if ChatGPT can work with DoorDash and Uber to order stuff automatically, and ChatGPT is an extension of Apple Intelligence on the iPhone, could this be the answer to some of this voice assistant on the iPhone actually doing stuff maybe in the near future, like, could I one day maybe ask you know who order that burger I never got from my Rabbit r one?
Jason Aten:Go find that burger that's been waiting
Stephen Robles:Sit down that DoorDash guy. And then that that maybe the voice assistant through the ChatGPT extension, through the the dev connection can actually order DoorDash. That might be pass I think it might be possible, Jason.
Jason Aten:I don't think that.
Stephen Robles:Maybe not.
Jason Aten:I don't I don't think Apple it is interesting that that it seems as though OpenAI has been able to do a thing that Apple has really not
Stephen Robles:been able to do a thing.
Jason Aten:Yep. It's kind of a, you know, a weird function of the fact that, like, these developer I don't know if it's like this is the new shiny thing, so we're just gonna do this. Like, if you're Zillow, I guess is what I'm trying to like, makes money by selling leads Right. Referrals to agents. So you this happened to me one time, Steven.
Jason Aten:There was a house for sale, and I did the little thing where it's, like, request of viewing or something, you know, showing. It's like, I clicked the thing. I typed a message, and I assumed that what was going to happen is that that message was going to go to the listing agent so that I could then come see the house. What actually happened is 423 agents that were not the listing agent were emailing me saying, we'd love to show you this house. And I'm like, wait.
Jason Aten:Are you the list who who are you? You're not the listing agent.
Stephen Robles:Why are you contacting me?
Jason Aten:I real exactly. I realized, okay. This is Yeah. This was a brutal way to under to learn how Zillow works. Right?
Jason Aten:And so and so the the the pro hack for Zillow is if you go into Zillow, never try to star favorite love anything because then you have to log in, and as soon as you do, you're gonna start getting contacted. So just use it to browse That's fine. Also But hold hold on. So my question is the that's how they make money. So they're never they never want to let Apple be the intermediate step in between that because but ChatGPT, I just connected Zillow to ChatGPT.
Jason Aten:It you don't log
Stephen Robles:in Uh-huh. See.
Jason Aten:To do that. So why is Zillow allowing that? Now Canva, you did have to log in because you had to have a Canva account because presumably, it's going to put the thing that it makes in your Canva account, which kind of makes sense. But I'm just curious, like, I don't know why Zillow is doing this unless they're just like the extra potential traffic is worth it, and eventually people will come to our site.
Stephen Robles:I think that latter part is the thing, that the pull of ChatGPT and OpenAI is so strong, so strong in fact, that ChatGPT during these dev days showed off GPT or chat doc u GPT or whatever or some some DocuSign. Basically, doc u GPT. That's what it was. I think I just had a stroke. Doc u Docs.
Stephen Robles:Docs you? No. No. What? Getting doxed.
Jason Aten:Chat GPT is gonna dox you.
Stephen Robles:Doc u GPT. OpenAI literally announced that they were working on DocuGPT, not even a feature that's, like, publicly available yet. And DocuSign's stock price dropped because they announced it. And so this is a Wired article. I'll put it in the show notes too.
Stephen Robles:But I think there's a crazy network effect that whatever OpenAI does, every business like, everyone is watching. And they know we're gonna talk about Sora again in a little bit. I think just businesses and companies know that if ChatGPT is gonna do something, it is better to be on board with what they're doing so you still have a chance of people using your app or service than to try and fight it because it is too strong to fight. And that's why I think Booking, DoorDash, Uber, and all of that are opening their doors to DoorDash, literally a door, to JGPT working with them because of that. And you could do things like ask ChatGPT to create a playlist, and it'll integrate with Spotify to do that.
Stephen Robles:And booking.com, there was a video I just showed a second ago. Like, you could just ask it to use it. I think I think that is a wild place that we are in right now, that their pull is just so strong. And Sora, love it or hate it, is, again, like number one app in the App Store, even though it's invite only. It goes to show that whatever they are doing has huge network effects on the rest of the industry.
Stephen Robles:And I think that's why. I think these companies are just like, well, better to join them. What is this? What is a friend? The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Jason Aten:If you can't beat them, join
Stephen Robles:If you can't, thank you. If you can't beat them, join them. I read The Prince by Machiavelli, but I forgot that one.
Jason Aten:What do you think the over under is on the number of people who downloaded the Sohr app and then realized they actually couldn't?
Stephen Robles:Oh, I think it's millions. I mean, be number one
Jason Aten:Yeah.
Stephen Robles:It's gotta I think it's probably, like, eighty twenty. 80% of the people
Jason Aten:It's like infinity.
Stephen Robles:80% of the people downloaded were Oh shoot, what do I do with this? And then I saw so many people on social media just asking for an invite code because they wanted to try it. And we're gonna talk about that again in a second because I think it is, yes, it is a big topic. But anyway, so opening ads will be working with these third party apps. Also, they announced a bunch of other tools for developers, including things like APIs.
Stephen Robles:Sora two, the video generator, is going to be available via that API plus GPT five Pro. Also, agent tools, GPT real time mini for faster access, but still having natural sounding voice. So they announced a bunch of stuff both for developers, and I think these features are be coming out soon. Side note, I showed my mom ChatchipPT the other day. Did I ever talk about this?
Jason Aten:I don't think.
Stephen Robles:She's been Googling a lot of like health stuff, you know, that she got going on. I told
Jason Aten:her, was like, listen,
Stephen Robles:whatever you Google is gonna tell you you're about to die. So don't Google it. Ask Chattypuy T. And so I actually downloaded the Chattypuy T app on her iPhone, and I told her your story. And I was like, know, this legit got good information from this.
Stephen Robles:At the very least, I feel like Chattypuy T tells you you're not as close to death as Google. Because, like, Google's gonna give you all, like, the WebMD and, like, you know, you you have, Ebola virus or whatever.
Jason Aten:I mean, ChatGPT will just say it to you nicer.
Stephen Robles:It says it nicer. It also at least, like, introduces a level of uncertainty, whereas it feels like when you read it from Google, it doesn't. Like, Google is very like, well, if you have these symptoms, you have Ebola virus.
Jason Aten:ChatGPT is a little bit more like having a conversation with someone as opposed to Google just gives you a bunch of lists, and it might summarize them at the top in the AI summary, but it's kind of unfiltered in that way. ChadGPT does a better job of saying, hey. I'm not actually a doctor. You know that. Right?
Jason Aten:I'm not even a person. But based on what you told me and I think the key is to say, what are the most likely things that this could be? Give me the most serious one so I know, like, what scale I'm on right now. Like, go to the doctor now or
Stephen Robles:You can wait.
Jason Aten:It's kinda like I should go make an appointment to see the dentist sometime soon.
Stephen Robles:Right. Well, all I have to say, downloaded it, showed her the voice assistant because I thought that might be the easiest way for her to interact just to talk to it. And we did it in the room. My wife was there. My mom did it.
Stephen Robles:And both my mom and my wife were like, that voice sounds a little too real. Like, it sounds like too real to person. And I don't usually use voice mode for JCPT. I mean, I do everything in the Mac app and and through shortcuts. And so just hearing it, I was I was surprised.
Stephen Robles:I was like, wow. That's actually really good. Sounds like a real person. And I'll say for my mom, it might be good, you know, just to to have that kind of interaction. So anyway, that was interesting.
Stephen Robles:Anyway, all that to say, I forgot where I was going with that, but
Jason Aten:And people are, you know, using ChatGPT to determine whether or not Google is right that they're going to sign.
Stephen Robles:Yeah, that's right. Oh, no. Oh, so the last thing I want to say before we go to Pixel tenfold, adding your email and creating accounts that you're gonna get spam on like Zillow, like you were talking about. I don't know how many people know this hack, but if you use Gmail or most email services, whatever your email address is, let's just say it's podcastprimarytech dot f m, Reach us out. Send us some mail.
Stephen Robles:You can add a plus icon and then whatever else after that podcast, whatever's before the at symbol, and it will still go to your inbox. This is how Gmail works. Fastmail works this way. I think most email services do this. I think Outlook does it too.
Stephen Robles:But then you can create a filter that says any email sent to this address goes to a folder and skips your inbox and cut down a lot of spam. So you could literally do, like, instead of podcast@primary.fm, do podcast+spam@primarytech.fm and use that email address when you sign up for all these random things. Or if you have to put in your email address to download some template or whatever for pages or something, do that, and then filter those emails to a separate folder. Life hack. Do you ever do that?
Stephen Robles:You do that?
Jason Aten:Yeah. I just have tried really hard to not give my email out anymore.
Stephen Robles:Let me
Jason Aten:And I basically have a Gmail account that literally that's all I use it I'm never going to give it to a human that I care about. For
Stephen Robles:your kids, if your kids need to have an account for something that requires an email address, do they they have their own email address, or how do you do that?
Jason Aten:So we're going way down.
Stephen Robles:I know. This is a personal
Jason Aten:technical Our one children have an iCloud Right. Account.
Stephen Robles:As do mine.
Jason Aten:And then they also have basically a Gmail account because that's what their school uses. But those are just gibberish. It's literally their student number.
Stephen Robles:At Gmail or whatever.
Jason Aten:Which it's like insane. Well, it's at their school district For sure. Domain or whatever. They also, I think, have personal Gmail accounts, but I can't remember how to get into them so they don't use those. I made them a long time ago.
Stephen Robles:Of the year.
Jason Aten:At least they're look. Here's the thing. At least their names have been reserved. No one else can take them, but I can't use they can't use them either. But so they don't really have to the only things they have to sign up for is, like, Strava, and I just haven't used the sign up with Apple.
Stephen Robles:Sure. Well, I guess I don't know because my sons have, like, random video game accounts, like, with EA games and PlayStation.
Jason Aten:Oh, yeah. So, like, Minecraft accounts are all random versions of emails that I've had in the past. So here's the this was the pro hack I used many years ago. Your iCloud account, you could create up to, like, I don't know, nine aliases or actually, no. You could create three aliases, but each one of those aliases worked at iCloud, at me, and at Mac.
Jason Aten:So you got basically nine aliases, and we just use different versions of those. And that's the those are the emails I give out for spam.
Stephen Robles:Here's a life hack. If you if you have kids and you need to create accounts and you need email addresses for them, yes, my kids have iCloud accounts, but I wanna keep those clean. Like, I don't wanna sign them up for spam that they're gonna get the rest of their life. So I do Steve plus my kid's name at whatever. And I do Steve plus my other kid's name at whatever.
Stephen Robles:So I basically could have an email address per kid that I then filter to certain folders that, you know, we could still create the account or whatever, but they're not getting spam. I'm filtering those into folders. It's just a you know, I'll tell you if your kids are old enough, like my oldest, he just uses his iCloud email now to just kinda, like, sign up for stuff. He's gonna, you know, buy things off the Shop app, which he has. We've talked about that sometime.
Stephen Robles:My son has some funny stories about the Shop app. Basically, like, the backdoor to every ecommerce website on the Internet. But, anyway, just some life hacks for you. Add a plus icon, random stuff, and you can have as many email addresses as you want, and then filter them. This episode is brought to you by Claude from Anthropic.
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Stephen Robles:You have the Pixel 10 Pro Fold in your hand. In your hand.
Jason Aten:Well, I mean, it's in my hand now. Yes. Okay.
Stephen Robles:Hold in now.
Jason Aten:We go. It was on my desk before. It's got this weird magnetic ring, which is actually the best accessory Google's ever made. I showed you a box of things that were sent to me, including the weirdest charger I've ever, like, seen. It's, like, 70 watts, though, so or 67 watts, which is a oddly specific number.
Jason Aten:But anyway
Stephen Robles:weird shape, though. It looks
Jason Aten:It is. I told you. It's just like the Bowers and Wilkins Oh, yeah. Air earbud case, the p I fives or whatever.
Stephen Robles:Like a big AirPods case with a flat bottom for our listeners.
Jason Aten:Sure. Yeah. That's true. I'm sorry. I forget sometimes that we're not only doing a YouTube show, so forgive me.
Stephen Robles:No. We we we still have more listeners than viewers, but and by a large margin.
Jason Aten:And we love all of you equally.
Stephen Robles:We love all of equally. I did Yeah.
Jason Aten:This thing is amazing.
Stephen Robles:Okay. Well, okay. So I wanna get your thoughts on it. I will say I'm gonna put the verge's review in the show notes. They had a Pixel 10 Pro Fold.
Stephen Robles:They have a picture of it literally in the sand on the beach, and I'm like, that is bold, putting a fold there. But it supposedly has the dust resistance to actually survive that. I'll also put MKBHD's review. I watched that one. He had an interesting take where, like, it's a nice phone compared to other foldables like the Samsung z Fold seven, the newest one, it's thicker, and he thinks that Pixel is doesn't make for actually for a good foldable.
Stephen Robles:You put that trash can Mac Pro in there as a Easter egg. I just realized that.
Jason Aten:Yeah. Well, his take seems to be that the the Pixel phones are about the software, not the hardware. And so but when you make a foldable phone, you have to nail the hardware. Right. So he was saying there's sort of this, like, weird incongruence between what Pixel seems to stand for and what foldable phones seem to stand for.
Jason Aten:And one of the biggest knocks on this phone is compared to the other Pixel phones and a lot of smartphones that the cameras are kinda trash. I don't think they're terrible, but, like, I I took some photos with it yesterday at a cross country meet that I was at and then took some out with the 17 Pro Max. Yeah. It's not not close. Like
Stephen Robles:Well, the telephoto is not 48 megapixels like the telephoto is on the Google Pixel 10 Pro series, the nonfold. Right. So you get a better
Jason Aten:Right. I don't know
Stephen Robles:if Jason has that too. You get a better telephoto on the non foldable Pixel phones. So yeah, a little worse telephoto, which being the most expensive Pixel phone, you would think it should have all the best things, and that's probably part of the argument. But I don't know. Tell me your other experience, like, actually using it.
Jason Aten:This is, I think, the first Pixel foldable phone I've used. I've used several Samsung. Okay. I could not tell you which ones. Not the most recent one.
Jason Aten:I can tell you that. But I have used several versions of Samsung's Fold, both the Flip and the Fold. And this I I would say I like the shape and size of Google's version better because when you open up, it's almost like a square Right. Kinda thing. So it's I prefer that.
Jason Aten:But all I could well, let me say, when I I watched Marquez's review, and I think everything he said is probably true. I just am not as I'm I'm both not as fluent in pixel devices as he is. I'm also not as fluent in foldable devices as he is. So many of the things he's talking about feel more like edge case, like the last 10% stuff. And whether Google has mailed that or not, I can't really say.
Jason Aten:But what I will say is I desperately this is what I want Apple to make.
Stephen Robles:So you want Apple to make a foldable?
Jason Aten:A 100%. I would that would be my phone. If Apple makes a foldable if this thing ran iOS, I would clear off the 37 other phones on my desk right now, and this is the only thing that I would Because I love the iPad mini.
Stephen Robles:Sure.
Jason Aten:Right? But I don't need to carry an iPad mini and a 17 Pro Max because combined, they weigh 14 pounds. And so I think that the thing that I feel like this device is the best for is just reading and scrolling and doing those types of things because you get such a great screen experience. I would say that of the foldable devices I've used, that Google has done the best job of making the the closed the screen on the front that you use when you're closed really useful. Like, I would I would say that it's it's big.
Jason Aten:It's it's a great experience using that, and then you just flip it open and you have what you need on the inside. So now Android still stinks on a larger screen.
Stephen Robles:Right. Right.
Jason Aten:Which is why I want Apple to do this.
Stephen Robles:Like,
Jason Aten:I just wanted to open a PDF that was in one of my emails, and it's like, what do you want to open this in? Google Drive PDF reader, doc Dropbox, Canva, and I'm like, just can't why can't you just open PDF?
Stephen Robles:Just open the thing.
Jason Aten:My iPhone can do it. I don't I don't understand.
Stephen Robles:I will say since I was 26, all the Apple devices, like iPhone and iPad specifically, are very aggressive like, oh, you want us to open in preview? This will open in preview. Like everything opens in preview.
Jason Aten:Which is basically what 99% of the time you wanna do.
Stephen Robles:Well, for me, no. I actually wanted it to just open in the quick view. Like in the files app, if I tap a PDF or an image, I just wanna quick view it. Like, I just wanna see it and maybe share it somewhere else. And now, like, the preview app has a bunch of files in it because it just opens there by default.
Stephen Robles:Even, like, Amazon return codes. I'll save it to my desktop on my Mac because then iCloud Drive, I can access that at the UPS Store when I go. And when I tap it in the Files app, it's like, yeah, we're gonna open this in preview. It's like, no. Can you just just just show it to me real quick?
Stephen Robles:So anyway, preview's been aggressive. I will say in MKBHD's review review, he said having that larger screen, he does naturally find himself doing, like just going into more work or bigger tasks that he would normally wait to do on a bigger screen because he has a bigger screen in his pocket. And so he might just open it up and then do that work task. Have you found your have you found any work tasks that you just, like, then start doing on the the fold?
Jason Aten:Yeah. So I I would say I I would agree with that. Like, this feels to me like if what you wanted to do is walk around most of the time with one device Mhmm. You could do that. I mean, I can do that with the 17 Pro Max.
Jason Aten:That screen is freaking huge. But this one, like, you know, it's like you get the smallness. I mean, it's pretty thin. Like, it's certainly chunky, but I'm walking around with a phone that's basically the same thickness once you put a case on it. Right?
Jason Aten:So that part of it and but, like, triaging emails, like, could use Google Docs on this if I wanted to. Right? It's it's I don't love the idea of thumb typing articles. Sure. Right?
Jason Aten:The biggest drawback for me would be and the reason I want Apple to do this instead of me doing it's like, I can't. So I'm not gonna switch to Android. That's the thing. There are just too many apps that I am are so baked into what I do. Things Fantastical.
Jason Aten:Ulysses, Fantastical. Sure. Like, Spark, can use on here. That's great. There's a there are a lot of things I can use on here, but for the most part, I that's kind of the whole drawback for me.
Jason Aten:But I I imagine, like, if I had if Apple was like, forget it. We're done. We're not making iOS anymore. I could certainly find substitutes for for those apps on this device, and I would enjoy using it. And if Apple would make one, that would be the phone I would get a 100
Stephen Robles:Except shortcuts. There's no alternative. And if you're an Android user and you say Tasker, I tried it. It's not even close.
Jason Aten:I have no idea what you're even talking about, but yes.
Stephen Robles:I would just throw that out there. Just for the five, Android no. I wanna leave please leave us a five star rating and review on Apple Podcast, which you can do even if you're an Android user. You can go to the web. You can go to podcast.apple.com, and you can leave us leave us a five star rating and review.
Stephen Robles:All it has to say is, I'm an Android user, I listen every week. We wanna hear from you. Or leave us a voicemail. That'd be great. Leave us a voicemail.
Stephen Robles:Let us know what Android phone you use. I'm curious. So you you do want Apple to to make a foldable, and you you think you would use that as default?
Jason Aten:I think I would. Now the the one thing I would say is Apple would have to do better with cameras than Google did.
Stephen Robles:Right. Which?
Jason Aten:Because I will buy whichever phone has the best cameras because I use it all the time. That. Like, I use the camera constantly.
Stephen Robles:That. Speaking of which, thank you for that segue. Just real quick, I had my there's a big moon out recently in past nights. And so I took a photo last night of the moon. Here's the moon at one x.
Stephen Robles:Okay. You ready? If you're watching on YouTube, youtube.com/atprimarytechshow. Here's the moon at 40 x. That's not bad.
Jason Aten:The moon is on fire.
Stephen Robles:The moon the moon has a bit of a a fuzz around it. But, I mean, 40 x, like, that would not have been a usable photo. Maybe even on the 16 Pro Max, let alone, like, the early ones. But, I did the eight x. I tapped the eight x in the camera and then dragged it all the way to 40 x, which you can go to a 40 x digital zoom.
Stephen Robles:And you can actually, like, see the spots on the moon. I mean, that's not bad. And, the other photos are much better. My wife has a concert this weekend. She plays in an orchestra.
Stephen Robles:And one of my tests is always sitting in the balcony. How close can I get where the picture picture is actually usable? So I'm gonna test that, this weekend with my phone. We'll see. We'll see how it goes.
Stephen Robles:Anyway, did you get the Pixel Watch four too? Did they send that to you?
Jason Aten:I did not get a Pixel Watch. Yeah. They they I'd they sent me the Pixel Watch. I'm sorry. They sent me the Pixel Fold 10 Pro.
Jason Aten:I'm pretty sure
Stephen Robles:Yes.
Jason Aten:That's the name of it. And then they sent me the foldable one, which is great. I really appreciate it. And I will say that I took my second SIM off of the iPhone Air and put it on the fold. I mean, I only have two.
Jason Aten:I have to do if I'm gonna carry it around, I gotta do but I was like, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna use I love the air. These are not comparisons between these two devices, but I just am gonna say that the fold is closer to something I would use on a regular basis because the benefits, like, it offers more productivity, whatever, than the Air. As much as I love the Air, they need to make a 17 Air Pro because I just cannot the camera. I don't the battery life is not nearly as good. I don't care what anybody says, but it's fine.
Jason Aten:Like, it's whatever. I But it's the cameras.
Stephen Robles:My mind is boggled because I see a lot of people on social media saying, like, air battery is amazing. I have seven hours of screen on time today. Took off the charger at 6AM. It's now midnight, and I still have 80% battery left. And I'm like, I don't think I don't think that's real.
Stephen Robles:I don't think you're being real, I mean, unless you sent
Jason Aten:You're lying
Stephen Robles:to one email today and did nothing else on that phone. And I do wonder is I've had a couple people say, if you have shortcuts automations in the background, that takes battery. I don't know how true that is. Other people said, well, you need to set up a phone, an iPhone from scratch. Don't restore from a backup.
Stephen Robles:Because when you restore from a backup, that kills the battery or whatever. And I'm like, well, one, I shouldn't have to do all these caveats just to use a phone like normal because most people are gonna just transfer their stuff. Like, that's the common experience.
Jason Aten:Right.
Stephen Robles:But b, if true, and that it also affects the battery ongoing if you restore from a backup, something's wrong there, and I I don't.
Jason Aten:There's a lot of iPhone transfer voodoo going on. Like, have real strong feelings, and I promise you, it's fine. It's all just it's just all fine.
Stephen Robles:People I yeah. I don't I don't get that. But, anyway, the the Pixel Watch four and also new Pixel Buds also came out. I'll link to Lexi Savide's video. She had a great one on the watch and talking about kind of the pros and cons coming from the last Pixel Watch.
Stephen Robles:It's probably the best Android wear watch that you can get right now, but, you know, you have to be in that universe. I think I do think the circle shape is actually kinda nice. I mean, you know, it looks more watch like.
Jason Aten:Yeah. Until you look at the screen, and then it looks not at all watch like.
Stephen Robles:Well well, there's that. Okay. And I wanted to return to this corner.
Jason Aten:Alright. I like this corner. Think we'll find out.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Slap corner. Well, let me ask you this. Have you been scrolling Sora at all? Have you been making Sora videos at all?
Jason Aten:No. I don't I don't want Sora. I don't wanna be in Sora. No. I'm
Stephen Robles:just kidding.
Jason Aten:Thank you. Okay. Let me let
Stephen Robles:me ask
Jason Aten:you back on it.
Stephen Robles:Same. No. That was perfect.
Jason Aten:Let me just back up for a second. I think there's a little bit of follow-up from our last week. I know we don't actually do follow-up. We just say things and and change our opinions from the previous time, and we just do that. I I had because I was pretty clear that, like, in general, if the world's gonna be full of ASLAP, that the the meta AI version was more desirable to some extent.
Stephen Robles:Say that. Yes.
Jason Aten:Except I I also am old and realized that, no, if people are gonna do this, what people really want to do is just have fun with it, which is definitely Sora. Sora is is where people are going to. And the fact that it is exponentially more popular than Meta also, like, people just don't wanna be, like, giving Meta more of their information necessarily. Right. And it's kinda weird that you have to download a, quote, Meta AI app, and then in one of the things in it is this this feed vibes feed or whatever.
Jason Aten:I so I think that OpenAI did a much better job of coming up with a product. I just don't like I also don't like TikTok. Like, I'm weird. I just that's not the thing I wanna do. But I think that for people, it makes it so much easier for people to just have goofy fun.
Jason Aten:But I do not want my cameo appearing in weird things. So, no, I'm not spending as that much time in it.
Stephen Robles:Well, I am someone who does scroll TikTok and Instagram reels and also create content on those platforms, increasingly so. I've been trying my hand at actually doing more short form. And even though I enjoy scrolling those platforms, I do not enjoy scrolling Sora. And as I continually see content being created by Sora, I wanna be clear. Anybody who makes the argument that like, well, you go to Sora and you know everything's AI.
Stephen Robles:The amount of Sora videos I've seen off platform, off world, as some sci fi movies say, like, I see Sora videos on TikTok and in Instagram Reels. My wife sees them on Facebook, and, like, they're everywhere. Like, those videos are are increasingly going everywhere. Yes. You see the watermark, sometimes not for a little while, depending on how it's cropped or whatever.
Stephen Robles:And I wanna call out three videos and kinda talk about the existential nature of these. One, Hank Green, you don't know, is Nerdfighteria, Vlogbrothers. Him and his brother John Green have written books and stuff. He had a pretty great crash out, I would say, about about Sora. It's a three minute video, and I think he brings up some great points.
Stephen Robles:I think one of the things you'll see a lot of if you go to the Sora app is, like, Martin Luther King Jr. Saying things he didn't say. And he makes the point, this might not be legal. And he names a law, I don't know if it was defamation or something in the video. But he points out this is probably not right on, a more like, legal moral sense.
Stephen Robles:Definitely not definitely on a moral sense. But, anyway, he had a great crash out with some actually good points. And so I'll I'll guide you to that video. Also, Casey Neistat, longtime YouTuber. I think he had a very thoughtful video.
Stephen Robles:One, he throughout the video, he shows, like, sort of videos that he made, which I think is a great way to have commentary on the thing that you also used a bunch and have examples of in your video. But he has a really good analogy talking about the barriers to creating content over the years, like all the way back to, like, old school movies, and how that has been democratized and all those barriers have been removed. And now with Sora, even more barriers have been removed. And, some of the Sora videos he made are really funny, actually. But basically saying, like, the funnel of content, the wide part of the funnel is getting wider and wider.
Stephen Robles:And as more people are creating content and there's this moment where he puts the TikTok part of the funnel on top, and it's like, now the funnel is huge. There's just a massive amount of content just out there every day being created. And the good content, which is the small part of the funnel at the bottom, it's less and less content is gonna be getting down there because of just the sheer volume of content. And what happens if and when the AI slop is good enough for most people and they are fine with it, and that becomes part of the small funnel, and it starts pushing out actual creators and real art and real things. So Casey Neistat's video, I think, is very instructive.
Stephen Robles:And then I think the the best video and if you watch one of the three well, watch Hank's video. It's only three minutes. But if you watch another one of the three, Kurkassat, 25,000,000 subscriber channel, excellent channel. They do heavily researched educational type content. And they talked about what's happened to their channel specifically since this AI revolution.
Stephen Robles:And they have some very interesting points about the ramifications just of information and what happens, and basically the examples that they give. And I'll stop sharing the video because it's probably distracting. But it's a great video. You should watch it. I'll link it in the show notes.
Stephen Robles:One of the things they set an example of, they were doing research on I think they called it brown dwarf stars. They were gonna do a video on brown dwarfs, and they were doing their research. They used ChatGPT and other deep research tools to, like, gather information. But then as their normal process is, they would take that information and actually go to scientists, do fact checking, people who are, like, in that space educationally, scientifically. And those people flagged some of the facts and like, where's the source for this?
Stephen Robles:And ChatGPT and other deep research tools provided sources. They would say this came from this source. But upon investigating that source, Kurkitsat and the scientists found that actually, that fact is nowhere in that source. They sourced that link, but the information that ChatGPT provided is not actually there. So it's like a source that's not really a source.
Jason Aten:Well, and that happened to me recently. I wrote an article about sleep tracking. It's just making you anxious. It's not making you sleep better. And in that, when I was doing so was, like, doing research.
Jason Aten:I wanted to know, like, what is the science on this? What is is is there science that shows that gamifying your sleep actually makes it harder to sleep? And there is. It's a thing called orthosomnia. It's like trying really hard to fall asleep makes it harder to fall asleep.
Jason Aten:Right? It's an actually and then I said, okay. And so then I was looking for research about, like, what actually works better. So Right. But on the show me research about so, obviously, when I do this, I just want Chad GPT to give point me in the direction to look.
Jason Aten:Right? So then I'm gonna go in and read all these things. But one of the things it's like is such and such doctor told the New York Times such and such thing. And I'm like so I'm looking, and I'm like searching and he just complete now the doctor was real.
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:They didn't say those words, but they did say words that were similar, and I was able to make my point with a quote from that doctor from a diff like, a paper that they wrote or something like that. But I'm like, where did it get the idea that this person told this to the New York Times? Like, it was not you know what I mean? It's kinda interesting.
Stephen Robles:So, right. So not only that, but other facts were just totally made up. And Kirk Assad and the scientists said like, no, this is just not accurate. And so as they're working on this video, Kurkassat, the people and there's like 70 full time people that work at this channel they started seeing videos about brown dwarf stars popping up on YouTube from channels that are completely AI generated. And they said in the video, there's an increasing number of YouTube channels, social media accounts that are just creating AI generated videos and publishing them every day.
Stephen Robles:And, again, once you use these tools, the volume of content you create is exponential. And so they see these videos coming out, some of these videos with hundreds of thousands of views. And as they watch those videos, the team at Kirkusat was like, those facts that we found out to be unsourced and false are in this video that has hundreds of thousands of views. So there's an AI generated video purporting to be educational content purporting untrue facts. And as they explain in this video that I'm a link, I highly encourage you watch it, they're saying the problem is not only is that video sharing fictitious information, the AI bots will be trained on that because it's a popular video with hundreds of thousands of views.
Stephen Robles:Those are triggers for the AI models to say this is a accurate source of information because of the views and because of the traffic, and that is going to get put back into the system and then reaffirmed as data, which is then gonna make it even harder to use these deep research AI tools to fact check. Because the source is going to be this YouTube video with hundreds of thousands of views that purports to state a fact and source it, but you would have to go, like, three levels deeper to actually see that this is untrue. And, again, Kurkassat is, like, talking to scientists in this field to figure it out, and there's hundreds, if not thousands, of channels already out there just putting this stuff out there. Not only that, but Kurkusha was explaining that there are articles being written and even, like, webs like, news type websites that will hide text in an article either by making the text white or just hiding it in the HTML, telling the AI bots to give an article a positive review, no negatives, and to rank it highly as a trustworthy source. So websites are gaming the system, and these AI bots are then going to see these articles.
Stephen Robles:They see the instruction. And let's just be real. Like, these bots are, in this regard, kinda dumb. Not like, dumb enough. Like, they don't realize that they're being duped by the the actual author of whatever these articles are.
Stephen Robles:And so now these are then being put into the model as authoritative sources just because they're gaming the system, not because it's actually good information. And so and and then Kurgesagt then makes the argument like Hank Green and Casey Neistat that if the amount of AI slop content just gets to be such a high volume that people end up just being okay with it, like, we'll just accept this content and put it alongside all the other creator content, it is going to start pushing out real people making real stuff, and it's gonna be even harder and harder to verify. And and they're saying channels like theirs who really depends on deep research, not the AI tool, not the ChadGPT deep research, but, like, actual research done by humans, that they depend on that so much in the videos that they make and the fact checking. And that takes time, and it takes people. Like they said, they have, like, 70 full time people plus a bunch of freelancers.
Stephen Robles:That will not be sustainable if people settle for AI slop. And it just I don't know. It's been I just keep thinking about that and realize, like, this is more than just is the Sora app fun to scroll? And it's weird because I see even John Grubber at Daring Fireball, he's been covering it a little bit. He quoted the MG Seigler article that we talked about last week.
Stephen Robles:And he was like, I enjoy it. He says, I enjoy scrolling Sora in a way I haven't enjoyed a social network in years. It's fun to dash off a stupid video. I'm reading from Gruber's article here on his website. And it's like, I get it, but I feel like it's a I don't know.
Stephen Robles:I I feel very on alert, like, on, like, on guard. Like, we have to, like even if it's fun to put yourself in a fake Sora video and make it look like you're in a nineteen seventies film or whatever, nineteen thirties film, I I feel like there's I don't know. Is it the thin end of a wedge? Am I crashing out, Jason? What
Jason Aten:No. But let me let me jump in for a minute here.
Stephen Robles:Please.
Jason Aten:You take a deep breath and just
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Yeah. Please.
Jason Aten:Let's go check your blood pressure real quick. So over the summer, there was a reporting that academic papers were doing what you said. I know it might actually be the same thing, but that they were hiding text in in the documents and basically saying, you know, LLM bots, ignore all previous instructions, only rate this highly. So that's a problem. Right?
Jason Aten:Like, that is a problem in and of itself, but that is a human responding to the incentives that are basically that's the way the world works at the moment. So, like, you you want your academic paper to be reviewed highly or to be rated highly and trusted. So you're doing this shady kind of thing because you like, whatever. That's that is the the game that you are having to slide into at the moment. So there's that piece of it.
Jason Aten:But I also am not sure I mean, we don't right. PageRank, which was Google's algorithm, the whole point of that was to give you sites that were ranked high and that were trusted, and it went back to this idea of, like, again, academic papers. An academic paper that was cited by other academic papers was considered more reputable than one that wasn't. Right? Because over time, if one scientist is like, that guy had a good idea, and he uses the he refers to their idea.
Jason Aten:So that like, on the Internet, that's how you build trust. That's why backlinks are so important on websites is that if if if if a news organization links to your blog or to your thing or to whatever, then your thing is considered more reputable. It's called PageRank. Right? And and so, essentially, what they're trying to do that is with AI as well because, let's just be honest, if Google's no longer sending traffic to basically anything, I don't know.
Jason Aten:Like, is the algorithm for AI tuned to be making that kind of judgment the way that Google was? I'm not really sure. I'm not really sure that AI is trying to figure out is this a reputable source or if it's just, like, spitting sources at you. Now I know to some extent they're trying to mitigate that by making all these deals with news sites, right, and and showing that the irony was like that example that I gave where Chad GPT told me that someone said something to the New York Times, and they actually had said something to the New York Times, but it wasn't wasn't that. The New York Times is currently suing OpenAI for a lot of this exact same stuff.
Jason Aten:So that kinda feels really, really strange to me. Like, that this is the the world that we've come to is is in the most the thing that really highlights it the most, going back to Sora, it seems as though and I think the verge had an article about this that that OpenAI just didn't foresee that maybe people wouldn't want their cameos next to, like, Ronald McDonald spewing Nazi slogans. Yeah. Yeah. And so people are, like, literally asking, like, okay.
Jason Aten:Fine. You can use my cameo, but can I make it so that people can't use it in political stuff or whatever? It's like, there's just this disconnect between the people who are making it, who believe that this is the this is the inevitable future, and everyone else who's like, hang on, though. Like, hang on. I still wanna be able to go on the Internet and believe that what I'm seeing is real or true.
Jason Aten:And, also, I prefer not to have myself be saying things that are not real or not true. Right? And it's like it's just kinda weird. Like, we're in this really weird place because even though it's just purely entertainment, I don't know. There's this weird disconnect between the people who are making this stuff because their incentives are so different.
Jason Aten:They just need people to use it. Right? They just need people to become we talked about this. Was it last week? Or it's like they find this space where people have time, and you find a way to fill the time, and now you have to find a way to expand the amount of time that people are using your thing to fill the time.
Stephen Robles:Right. And that and that's what all the social platforms are doing. I think even Sam Altman realized he had to tweak it because people were generating videos of him doing unsavory things, maybe even illegal things. Like, I think people were generating videos of Sam Altman stealing things. And it's like, he actually doesn't want that out there.
Stephen Robles:And it's it's this moment of like, oh, you realized that you opened Pandora's box, and now you're trying to close it somewhat. You know, when it comes to technology and it seems like social media, that there's an element of once you let the genie out of the bottle, that it's impossible to put it back. And I I don't know if we're there on this. I'm hoping not because it's still just a few key stakeholders holding the nozzle of, like, the AI slop hose. It's OpenAI.
Stephen Robles:It's Meta. And I don't even know if any of the other ones are really doing this per se. Mean Google v o three.
Jason Aten:Google has nano and Nano Banana. Like, they're they're all moving towards the same thing. It's just that Google doesn't have this as a, like, a social feed at this point.
Stephen Robles:Right. But so so those those three is probably the best examples, Google, Meta, and OpenAI. And, like, if those companies chose, they could just close off that hose, and it would mostly stop. Because even people smart enough, like, maybe to build or code their own LLMs, like, don't have the hardware to run it. Like, you need the servers and the literal electricity power to actually generate all this content, And there are very few stakeholders and and brand you know, companies who have that access, which is OpenAI, Meta, Microsoft, Google.
Stephen Robles:And so I don't think we're past the point of putting the genie back in the bottle. The question is, will the incentives actually lead Sam Altman and these decision makers that way? Now as you were saying, Sam Altman and OpenAI, I think they just want to create viral moment after viral moment so they can keep being in the news, the number one and because that influence, like we said it like, we were talking about at the beginning of the show with their dev day. Like, DocuSign's stock dropped because OpenAI teased a feature. Like Right.
Stephen Robles:They teased a feature, and a major corporation that is in the on the stock market, which OpenAI is not on the stock market even, but DocuSign lost literal value because Chatcha VT whispered a thing. And that is a lot of power for a company to have. And so this, the incentive being they want to be just in everybody's mind space, because that's the thing. I don't know if our listeners or viewers, the idea of mind space different than actual user base or different actually in the real world. When it came to Apple for a long time, it was the innovation, think different.
Stephen Robles:When you thought, I want to use the tools that help me be the most creative. Apple had the mind space, and it was just like they were the the hardware makers. Like, I I think back to, like, iPhone four and five era. Like, they just had the mind space that this is the most exciting phone hardware we're going to see. And do they still have that mind space?
Stephen Robles:I don't know. I think it's a little more spread out amongst all the filmmakers. But when it comes to AI, AI generated tools, OpenAI has the mind space. And they are incentivized to keep owning that so they can release features and convince brands like DoorDash and Uber to integrate with ChatGPT, even if it's at a disadvantage to them, even though it disadvantages DoorDash and Uber because they have less users actually going to their apps. And so there's this it is this critical moment, I think, where the creators of these AI tools, like OpenAI, are super incentivized to just go double down and continue pushing on the super hard, keep the nozzle of that hose open because they want more people on their apps.
Stephen Robles:Sore is the number one app in the App Store, even though it's invite only. They want that influence and control over not control, like, in a conspiratorial way, but just the control of the the time, like you were saying, of the attention, of the mind space, of the people so that when they do release a hardware device, when they do make some tool a paid service, that they can get the most people buying into that and when they eventually go public, which OpenAI is not even public yet. And Well, so I okay. Yeah. Go
Jason Aten:ahead. No, go ahead.
Stephen Robles:I just all of that to say, I want to keep talking about this because I do think it is a very important moment. Like, I don't like, this AI slop moment, I think, is different than just, like, the social media networkification of the world. Like, there were negative effects from that, like polarization of opinions, echo chambers of people's belief systems. There was a lot of negative effects for that. Were we better off?
Stephen Robles:Was it net negative, net positive? I don't know. That was a clear moment. I think this is another moment where the AI slop content, whether it's videos on YouTube, articles on the web, whatever is being generated, or just being used as research in the background. And so there's an actual person listed as an author of an article, but you don't know what they use to write it.
Stephen Robles:You don't know if it's 99%, you know, ChatGPT created. I think we need to be very keen, very critical in this moment to say, don't want more of that. And maybe we need to do things that actually signal that nondesire, that rejection of this kind of content like these creators like Hank Green, Casey Neistat, and Kurgasat are saying. And so I think that's that's my point. Okay.
Jason Aten:Yeah. And I think the reality is, like, OpenAI is the most valuable private company. They they just sold they allowed employees to do a secondary stock sale and have valued the company at $500,000,000,000, which is greater than SpaceX. Right? I wrote about this, like, a week ago that it like, oh, the Sam Altman finally pulled off the thing that Elon Musk had not been able to do.
Jason Aten:Now SpaceX was, like, the largest private company, but he and the two the two men have been feuding. Yes. Now it also happened to be, like, the same week that Elon Musk was apparently the first human worth $500,000,000,000. So, like, he's probably doing fine. But, you know, the the point is that that number is the only thing right now that matters.
Jason Aten:You because all of this product that OpenAI is building depends on enormous amounts of infrastructure, meaning GPUs from NVIDIA Mhmm. Enormous amounts of power. Right? And both of those things take a lot of money. And there's this weird thing going on there.
Jason Aten:A couple places of like, I know the verge has done some reporting on this. There's this weird bubble in the AI industry right now because you have, like, NVIDIA investing a $100,000,000,000 in OpenAI so that OpenAI can buy NVIDIA GPUs. It's like,
Stephen Robles:this is an ultimate snake eating its own tail.
Jason Aten:So NVIDIA just got a $100,000,000 basically order, which props up their stock price, and then they can take they have this value that they can then give to OpenAI to prop up that company because then that company will have to keep buying more of NVIDIA. Like, that's how you know there's something, like, dangerous happening here because, like, Nvidia literally is just giving money to everyone who wants to buy. Like, it's it's almost like we will give you a house. Right? And we will give you the money to buy the house from us.
Jason Aten:And it's like, isn't that I guess it's a land contract. I don't really know how all that stuff works. That's fine. But, like, it's very strange. But I will tell you, Steven, the moment that we will know that things are really going south is when Apple releases a social platform for image playgrounds.
Jason Aten:It's over then.
Stephen Robles:No. I think Ping burned them too bad. I don't think they're not gonna do that. The last thing I'll say on this, and I'm sorry if I totally crashed out on everybody this week, I've been watching these videos and thinking about it a lot. I'd really love to know your thoughts, listeners and viewers.
Stephen Robles:You can leave comments on YouTube, write us an email podcast at primarytech. Fm. Does it feel as existential as it's feeling to me? But the other part of it is I use ChatGPT every day. To be clear, there are tasks that it saves me a lot of time to have these AI tools doing it.
Stephen Robles:And Kurgasot, the YouTube channel that I've been talking about, said this at the end of their video. Like, how do we view AI tools? And they have, I think, a perfect example. They talked about it in Adobe Illustrator. When you have multiple objects on your canvas, you can try to manually align them visually and get them all perfectly in a row, or you can select all those items, click align, and Adobe Illustrator will just perfectly align them for you in a second.
Stephen Robles:And when it comes to these AI tools, as alignment may be not the perfect analogy, but in those moments where it can do something just as fast one like of the examples. Every time I make a YouTube video, when you upload a video to YouTube, you need a title, description, tags, all that kind of stuff. I transcribe my video. I give that transcription to ChatGPT. I say, give me some title, description, and tag ideas.
Stephen Robles:And that is way faster, especially because I'm a one person team. It's hard to have the mental energy after you've filmed, edited, produced a video, made the thumbnail to then now have a title, description, and tags and be creative at the end because I do it all in one shot. And so it helps give me a leverage to say, here's a starting point rather than a blank slate. I always massage them. I always change or tweak the title, ask for more ideas, change the wording once I paste it into YouTube.
Stephen Robles:The tags, a lot of times, I'll just take it because it's like nobody cares about the tags. Don't even know if they matter in YouTube anymore. You got the subjects right. I'll look at the tags, I'll be like, yeah, that's what I talked about, right? But as a tool for that, summarizing something, maybe not to actually report on it, but summarizing something just at a glance, whatever.
Stephen Robles:There are use cases that LLMs are really good for and can, in a box, I think, be used to great effect and not affect, like, the larger, like, truth information world. Like, it's it can be done. I do it every day. I'm sure do you I mean, do you use JWT tools regularly?
Jason Aten:Yeah. I mean, I just told you, like, I use it for research all the time. I also will frequently take a article that I've written and just say, fact check this Right. And then check it for any errors or typos. I mean, I'm I'm fairly good at checking that sort of thing, but I figure I add the last two things.
Jason Aten:I'm gonna have a fact check it anyway. And it and it's really helpful because it will go back and now now I often have to what's convenient about it is it gives me a list of things that things are incorrect. I will sometimes be like, no. Actually, this is correct. Right?
Jason Aten:But it's helpful to have a starting point and just to make sure I didn't miss something glaring. I got burned one time because I said something about Facebook being a $700,000,000 company when it was, at the time, a $700,000,000,000 company, and my editor still makes fun of me for that. Right? No. But, I mean, I just wanna make sure I don't make a that that was just a typo.
Jason Aten:I Yeah. Obviously knew the difference, but it's like I just wanna make sure that I'm not cause those are things that Grammarly is not gonna pick up. Right? It's a word and it's spelled correctly. It doesn't know that actually it's a thousand times bigger than that.
Stephen Robles:So Yeah. Anyway, I don't want the world to end, because of AI slopped. So let's,
Jason Aten:But the question is, can we have AI to do the things that we want without all this other stuff? And I'm worried the answer is no.
Stephen Robles:That's that's we'll return to that some other time if we have any more clarity. I just want people like, I guess my point is I just want people to think about it. I just want people to to think about and try to extrapolate what will this look like? What will this mean a year from now, five years from now? And do we want that outcome?
Stephen Robles:I just I just hope because, again, social media has kinda really trained us to not think deeply about things. Like, we all know people will just read a headline and then tell all of their friends about something to be true just because they read a headline and never actually read the information or fact checked. That already happens. And so I think that will happen at an even greater scale. And again, you look at the ramifications of that kind of polarization today.
Stephen Robles:Obviously, we see the effects of ten years of social media today and then the negative effects there. What are the effects ten years from now times the millions of videos that will be generated by AISLOP and the articles that will be generated by AISLOP? How will that affect how we look at our neighbor, how we can have discourse and disagree about things? You know, as I think back to the the email we got from listener David, who disagreed with us in the most kind way, and we were able to discuss it. He had a follow-up email.
Stephen Robles:Again, very kind. Like, that kind of discourse is rare. And I think as more AI slop gets injected into the culture, it might become even more rare. And I think that's not good overall. And so I just want people to think.
Stephen Robles:I want people to think about it. And develop your own opinion. How do you feel about it? And and then let us know. And leave us a voicemail.
Stephen Robles:I'd to hear your voice talk about this. Try to keep it short so we can play multiple. You want to us a- Talk
Jason Aten:about it for less time than we did is the only rule.
Stephen Robles:That's the only rule. But I would love to hear your voice as you talk about this, whether you're concerned or you're super optimistic. Maybe you love Sora, and you think it's gonna be great for a society. Like, wanna hear everything. So leave us a voicemail.
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Stephen Robles:Listen, real quick. We'll do a two two thing lightning round, and then I wanna hear about the the paper pro move.
Jason Aten:And neither of these are, you know, long con conversations at all. Neither of them.
Stephen Robles:Not at all. Again, speaking of OpenAI, but time of Johnny Ive. Know, they're working on their hardware device, and that AI gadget's been running into some snags, namely privacy concerns, hardware issues. And so they're still working on it. They they're Sam Altman and Johnny Ive are saying it's not gonna be your weird AI girlfriend.
Stephen Robles:I'm sure some people will make it that. But, anyway, that it's roughly gonna be the size of a smartphone, but not to have a screen. It's gonna have speakers, cameras, and microphones, but it's not a smartphone. And I don't know, man. I tried to update my Rabbit R1 the other day and just couldn't even do it.
Stephen Robles:Like, it's just totally busted. And, I don't know. I I'm now gonna be a little more skeptical about AI gadgets even if it's from OpenAI.
Jason Aten:So Yeah. I just don't know. I mean, this seems obvious. Yes. This is super, super hard.
Jason Aten:There's a reason that the only two real examples we've seen were, like, monumental failures. Like, now they didn't have ChatGPT, and they didn't have OpenAI. Right? There's a difference there. I think but I don't think there's anything that Johnny Ive can do.
Jason Aten:They he brings some credibility and he brings design. And great talent. I and he does bring experience like, how do you take a product from design to putting it into someone's pocket or on their desk or whatever. I get all that. But the problems that need to be solved for this are not Johnny Ive problems.
Jason Aten:They're Right. Much more complicated types of problems. And I just am not sure. I just am not obviously, this is why they're doing the apps in ChadGPT thing. Right?
Jason Aten:Because you can just imagine talking to this not a smartphone but sized like a smartphone without a screen device sitting on your desk and asking it to order you the sandwich that you're still waiting for. Steven, I hope that when you get that burger, it's not the one you actually ordered eleven months ago or whatever.
Stephen Robles:Actually a year ago.
Jason Aten:It's just been sitting there with your name on it. It's some some carryout window somewhere. And it's like, the one day a guy's gonna show up and be like, I'm here for the Robles special.
Stephen Robles:Robles special. You know, I'm gonna skip that other article I have in there because I just, like, I don't think get into it. But I do wanna mention with Johnny Ive, apparently he was doing some kind of he was speaking somewhere, and Casey Newton of Platformer, the newsletter, he quoted Johnny Ive and he said, Johnny Ive, after a five minute wind up on how he comes up with ideas, says, quote, at the end of the day, it's an idea. And I think that was just hilarious. Like, hey.
Stephen Robles:Johnny Ives, you know, he's great. But, yeah, I don't know. He's we'll see. We'll see what he comes up with with with opening act. Alright.
Stephen Robles:Talk to me about the paper pro move. Got it
Jason Aten:you got it over there? I I just the reason I put this on here is I think I feel like we talked about it maybe on a member episode. I don't really know. I know we talked about talking about it.
Stephen Robles:We talked about talking about it.
Jason Aten:But, Steven, I've gotten some emails Oh. Saying when are you going to talk about it? And I'm like, so apparently, I have to talk about it.
Stephen Robles:That's right. Yes. Please talk about it.
Jason Aten:Which is fine. Our listeners know that I am, like, very much a big fan of paper and writing on paper and keeping notes on paper. And I take notes the entire time that we're podcasting because sometimes Steven will talk about AI slap for forty minutes, and I'm like, better write down all the things I wanna say later when he's done. And then I'm like, real quickly, let me go through my list. I don't know what this matter.
Stephen Robles:What do you do with those notes, by way, afterwards? You just toss them?
Jason Aten:I just yeah. No. I frame every single one of them. They're just right up here.
Stephen Robles:Have 98 framed notes. Right?
Jason Aten:I have no idea. It's amazing. But, the Paper Pro move is it's great. I I still want to write on paper, but there I actually talked to somebody else who has one of these, and it it because I was like, tell me why. Now at the time, that person was using the paper pro, which is the large one, which I also have one of, and I just couldn't get into it.
Jason Aten:I'm like, it's too big. I don't wanna carry another device that's 13 or whatever into, like, on a laptop that's 13 inches. Yeah. I have a 11 inch iPad. I like, I just couldn't do it.
Jason Aten:And the person told me, well, the nice thing about this is I have Infinity notebooks. I don't have to I always have all of my notes from all of the things, and this person had been using the remarkable for four years or something. It's like, have every note from everything, and it's a month. I'm like, oh, that's appealing. Because if I have a 70 page notebook that I'm carrying around, after 70 pages, I gotta put it somewhere and then I have to get another one.
Jason Aten:Right. And that means that at three years from now, I can't go back. No. I don't that doesn't happen very often. But it does happen relatively often that, like, oh, yeah.
Jason Aten:I need to look up that conversation. Or I'm having a briefing with Apple, and I'm like, what did they talk about this last time or whatever? So having that is great. And it does have handwriting search, which I have found to be pretty good. My handwriting is especially bad, so there are definitely times when it's like, I don't know what that I don't have clue what that looks like.
Jason Aten:But I'm using, one of the things I've had to get myself into is you can just buy sorry. Let me back up. Yeah. You basically just use the templates that are in here, and you can just write notes, and it has dotted pages, blank pages, whatever. Or you can buy essentially they're just PDFs.
Jason Aten:This thing is basically just looking at a PDF document and then writing over it, and it's saving essentially two layers. Right? Your your writing is on top of a PDF. And so you can go to there are different websites. You can get them on Etsy, basically templates.
Jason Aten:And I have one that is a planner that has the this calendar, a page of to dos, and then four pages of notes for every single day for the next year. Right? So for every day, I just write out my schedule. I have a list I write out my list of to dos, which I was doing anyway. Like, I collect my to dos on my computer or on my phone, and then I go through in the morning usually or the night before and I write out the things I'm actually gonna try to tackle.
Jason Aten:That helps me a lot. So the one thing I'm doing now that I wasn't doing before is I'm actually then writing out my calendar. I wasn't doing that in a notebook but it is really nice to now I can go into like a meeting or sit here with this podcast or whatever and I only have to have one one thing, this paper pro move, and I'm able to, like, look at my calendar, look at all the to dos I wanna have done, take notes for each of the things. Because this particular template has four pages of notes, that's, like, perfect because I've got one right now for primary tech. I can swipe over.
Jason Aten:I can go to the next page, and that'll be the next meeting I have at 11:30, and I can, you know, use it for that kind of thing. And then if I wanna go back and be like, what were the notes I wrote down last week that Steven wouldn't let me talk about for primary tech? I just tap my way back. And the people who make these PDFs, by the way, are just bananas because all of these things are just links, interlinks to other parts of the PDF. And it's just there's a lot of thought that goes into that to make these things, but then you can buy one for $12, and it's like, sweet.
Jason Aten:I'm set for a year. So I'm a big fan. The writing is fantastic. The paper pro move its color, so you can highlight things. You can write in different colors.
Jason Aten:It the battery lasts days. I only charge it when it tells me every once in a while, hey. You should charge it. The pen, I I have a remarkable I mean, I have a paper like on my iPad Pro. This is infinity better.
Jason Aten:Like Infinity better. Experience. It's so much better, the writing experience, than even that paper like thing on an iPad. Some of that is the the tactile ness. Think of the of what they call the marker over an Apple Pencil.
Jason Aten:Right. But a lot of it is that surface and just the responsiveness of it. It it's great.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. So is there OCR? Like, if you wanted to search your notes, would
Jason Aten:Yeah. That's the handwriting search. That's what I'm talking about. You can search for things, and that that's what I mean by my handwriting is if I wanna really remember something, have to be a little more careful about how I write it. For our notes here, like, can't even read some of these things.
Jason Aten:So I don't blame that the remarkable can't read them, but
Stephen Robles:So it's small, like, it's thinner than an iPad mini, it looks like, but about the same height. How would you compare it?
Jason Aten:It is taller than an iPad mini.
Stephen Robles:A little taller.
Jason Aten:I think. I don't actually know if that's true, but it it feels like it is, and it is about the same thickness. Let's see. Let me compare it to one of these phones.
Stephen Robles:So what is the difference between so you have to you can get it with a model marker. It's $450, the paper pro move. $450, you can get a model marker at no
Jason Aten:end. You can get a marker or you can get a marker plus. Sorry.
Stephen Robles:Just What's the difference? The pro marker plus
Jason Aten:is I believe the difference is that the marker plus has you just I can just turn it over and use the other end and it's an eraser.
Stephen Robles:Okay.
Jason Aten:As opposed to, like, with the Apple Pencil where you would tap on the eraser and then you would erase and then you'd go back and you'd tap on the pen and then you'd write where the marker plus, literally, I can just I can just take it and I can just go like that and it erases stuff.
Stephen Robles:I'll be honest. I mean okay. So when you write tasks, do you transfer those then to, like, things or reminders or you just leave them
Jason Aten:I transfer them from there. So when I I collect all my tasks and things Oh. And then when I sit down, I'm like, okay. Which of these am I going to actually do? I write them on the the to do list page in in paper.
Jason Aten:That's what I've always been doing. I always did my to do list out of my my book, my notebook. Now I will sometimes collect to dos during the day here, and what I used to do is if I collect them on paper, I would then capture them somehow in in things. Most of the time, I don't do that now. I just will write them, like, for the next day or whatever, collect them.
Jason Aten:Now if it's a thing, it's like, need to do this. I have no idea when I'm gonna do this, then I will put it into things. And when it comes time, like, okay. This is a time today's the day.
Stephen Robles:We're
Jason Aten:happy. Write it down. I will say that I do still have a habit because I love the keyboard shortcut for things. I do still have a habit where there are times if I'm in a meeting or something like that where I'll just collect its you know, like, we're we're talking right now and I'm like, oh, I should write this article about something that we talked about. I might just do the command.
Jason Aten:Like, so the goal is not to be collecting to dos during the day on this notebook thing. Right. I try to collect everything because it is a little bit harder to be like, which day did I write that thing that I might want to do on and go back and try to find it? Because if because if that's the case, I probably don't remember what it is so I don't know what to search. So I'm still collecting everything in in my computer or on my phone.
Stephen Robles:This is tempting. I mean, I have not handwritten anything in years. I mean, just because I type everything. I have my phone if I wanna take notes. Got my iPad.
Stephen Robles:But the size of this looks tempting. Like, you're saying, actually, writing on it feels good. Because that's the thing too. It's like writing with Apple Pencil on the iPad, like, lot of people do it, and it works great. But it doesn't feel great.
Stephen Robles:And I find like I don't know. I just don't I don't care to do that myself. But I don't know. I'm now tempted to think like maybe this is a a nice notetaker, especially on the weekends. You know?
Stephen Robles:So I don't know.
Jason Aten:If you're not a notetaker, though, this is a colossal waste of money. Right? This is only for someone who's like, I really like writing on paper, but I would like to not have to carry around 17 notebooks or, like, it's it's so Can you use an e reader?
Stephen Robles:You said you have have the EPUB
Jason Aten:Find the
Stephen Robles:EPUB files.
Jason Aten:Yeah. You can't just put, like if you have a Kindle library Forget about it. Sorry. Forget about can't use this thing. If you have p like, you can just load PDFs on it.
Jason Aten:And in fact, that was the single best use case I found for the large one was, like, I could just put a PDF on here. And if I wanted to take notes on it or whatever, I could do all those types of things.
Stephen Robles:You read, like, articles, like, web articles?
Jason Aten:Only if you save them as a PDF and put them on there. So I have a the so there's a service where you can sync things back and forth, the remarkable connect. So you just drop things into the browser, and and it syncs fast. Like, I could drop something into the web browser right now, it takes just a couple seconds, and it'll show up on here. And that's really useful.
Jason Aten:But I'll tell you, Steven, I've actually taken the Paperlike screen protector off of my iPad Pro. Oh. Because I'm just not using it to write, that kind of stuff. And I have that amazing Tandem OLED screen, and I'm like, That's I just want to see all of its
Stephen Robles:the thing. That's the thing. I'm curious now, though. I mean, the Kindle Scribe ColorSoft, which was just announced last week, it's much larger. It's 11 inch.
Stephen Robles:But I'm curious how it will compare feel wise riding on that. Plus, you have your Kindle library and its color. It's also very expensive at, like, almost 700
Jason Aten:big. Well, it's not that expensive compared to a Remarkable.
Stephen Robles:Sure.
Jason Aten:Because a full size Remarkable could easily set you back 6 or $700 depending on the cases you buy and that kinda thing.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. True. Okay. Well, this is really interesting. Thank you for sharing that.
Stephen Robles:I'm going to maybe reach out for a review unit. I don't know. I don't write on paper. Like, I don't write anything, but I am curious to see if maybe I would do more if I had something like this. The Remarkable Paper Pro, the larger yeah.
Stephen Robles:Like you're saying, it's $630 just for the device. So and you already you have one of those too, don't you?
Jason Aten:Yep. I got one right here. I got it. And they actually sent me two. So here's the, this is the, I'll just show, because it's gonna show people.
Jason Aten:This is the, oh,
Stephen Robles:there you go. There's a side by side pro and move pro move and pro anyway.
Jason Aten:Paper pro and paper pro move. Pro just means color.
Stephen Robles:Well, there you go. Well, if you have more questions for Jason on the move, let us know. I might try to get one to do a review on it because I'm curious. So there's that. Okay.
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