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Download MP3We'll prepare and serve with Flair, a culinary cabaret. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. Lots of news this week. Jason was actually at the Airbnb event where they announced a big app redesign, but also offering experiences and adding a ton of features into Airbnb. We're gonna talk about that.
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Stephen Robles:I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles, and as always joined by Jason Aitin. How's it going, Jason?
Jason Aten:I'm a little bit jet lagged. I'm not gonna lie, but I'm here.
Stephen Robles:You were in LA what? Like, yesterday?
Jason Aten:I got back yesterday. Yeah.
Stephen Robles:Wow. That's wild. But you saw Chance the Rapper. Right? I
Jason Aten:did. Hung out with Chance.
Stephen Robles:You hung out with Chance the Rapper. You you have a I don't know. Sometime some weeks, you're the most interesting man in the world. I mean, you go to the f one race.
Jason Aten:I have the weirdest job. I just I just keep texting you. I have the weirdest I
Stephen Robles:just get pictures of of random celebrities and Jay Jason not taking selfies with them, just taking pictures of them like it's a paparazzi.
Jason Aten:I don't do it's such an interesting dynamic at stuff like this because there we'll we'll talk about it, but there are a lot of celebrities at that event. I just don't because it feels like it's hard to it's hard to interview someone and be treated seriously and then be like, oh, by the way, can I get a selfie? It's just whereas you see all these influencers and the YouTubers and they're like, screw it. Give me a selfie, man. Like, I need to get this on my channel.
Stephen Robles:I don't know. There was a you met an you can't say who you met at the f one race. Right? Is that kind of against?
Jason Aten:I probably I mean, I there were a lot of famous people, but that's all I'm gonna say.
Stephen Robles:There were a lot of famous people. One famous person in particular, you said you met, and I told my kids, and they were like, how did he not get a selfie from this person? And I said, I know. I don't know.
Jason Aten:I know. Situation, in fairness, it was darker than the midnight. Like, it was very dark in that place. It was at a it was at a restaurant called Delilah, which is fantastic. But it I don't know if it's it was Miami, and it's, like, restaurant slash nightclub happening at the same time.
Jason Aten:It was loud, and it was dark.
Stephen Robles:I will what I'm gonna say. Won't reveal who it was, but let me just say, if I was there meeting that person, I would have been the guy to turn on the flash on my iPhone and if someone said, please take a selfie.
Jason Aten:We're going back to the early two thousands and just flash everything. Right?
Stephen Robles:I don't care if it's blurry, if there's, like, light streaks across. I want a selfie. Anyway, do you have any idea where the quote might be from today?
Jason Aten:Oh oh, we did that, don't we? We still do this thing.
Stephen Robles:We still do
Jason Aten:that Culinary flair.
Stephen Robles:A culinary cabaret. We'll prepare and serve with flair, a culinary cabaret.
Jason Aten:Oh, yeah. I mean Oh. It's gotta be Beauty and the Beast.
Stephen Robles:Nailed it. Nailed it. You know, I thought Airbnb, be our guest. I thought that was a apropos, Germaine, as you do.
Jason Aten:I like how your brain works, Steven.
Stephen Robles:Thank you. I appreciate that. Alright. We you were at the Airbnb event, so I wanna talk about that. But also we have a five star review from Mexico, Jer MSMZ, because he loves the show.
Stephen Robles:Battery percentage he turned the battery percentage off during a recent trip and confidently says that they despise it. Yeah. So he will be turning battery percentage back on, but phone in dominant pocket. There you go. Jason wins on that one.
Stephen Robles:Another thanks to John Gruber for being on the show last week. That was super fun. First time I've ever podcast with him. And, yeah, just thank you for coming on. That episode's in the feed and on YouTube.
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Stephen Robles:We appreciate it.
Jason Aten:Yeah. He did had a busy week. He was on Dakota the same week.
Stephen Robles:He He was on that's right. And then, I don't know if I say this on the show, but I did finally subscribe to Dithering, his his podcast, and so I am listening to that now. It is a very good show. Fifteen minutes in and out.
Jason Aten:It's great. The only complaint I have about that is I liked it better when it was three times a week because It was three
Stephen Robles:times a week.
Jason Aten:When they started it, it was three times a week. He and it's only twice a week now, but it's only a fifteen minute show, and it's him and Ben Thompson. And and I really yeah. I like
Stephen Robles:that show. It's a good show. They're they're smart people. But speaking of multiple times a week, our survey, which we've been going a couple weeks, I'm gonna still put it in the show notes one last time, but it seems far and away people want a daily podcast with summary of the news, the tech news of the day, as a member benefit. And so I am hyping myself up to do this, to do it.
Stephen Robles:I wanna make sure I can sustain it, and, looking to launch that very soon. And so thanks for all taking the survey. I'll put a survey one more time in the show notes, and if you are not currently a member, and we're asking what benefit would prompt you to support the show, and we would love to hear from you. And so that'll be one of the first links in the
Jason Aten:show notes. So are we just charging people, like, $5 a month to vote in the survey?
Stephen Robles:No. No. Anybody that's the thing.
Jason Aten:Anybody could take the
Stephen Robles:survey because it needs to
Jason Aten:be So they don't actually have to commit because you just said we're asking people what it would take to get them to sign up, and it's like, well, how about if you answer the survey? We'll sign you up.
Stephen Robles:What what would it take to get you in this car today? Alright. So the big Airbnb event, I'm gonna hand it to Jason in a second because he was there, but not only has Airbnb redesigned their app, they have now offered things called experiences and more, where not only can you book a place to stay, whether you're in a city or wherever, but if you want to have a sushi chef come to your Airbnb and prepare something, you can do that. Or even book experiences in the town, like go to a museum with someone that's actually gonna give you a tour, like really trying to be an all in one vacation or trip resource. So not only where you stay, but also what you do.
Stephen Robles:And I'll put a link to Jason's article in ink because he was there. And Brian Chesky have you interviewed him before?
Jason Aten:Twice, actually. Yeah. There's two I've I've there's two I've done two podcast interviews.
Stephen Robles:Okay. Alright. So yeah. So tell me, what was it like being at the event? I saw a lot of YouTubers there, a lot of press.
Stephen Robles:What was it like?
Jason Aten:So well, okay. So, like, the meta discussion, what it's like to be the they do a good job. They definitely wanted a lot of attention on this, and this is a pretty, you know, pretty big update for Airbnb. They do these releases twice a year, essentially, and this was their summer release. They they did an event.
Jason Aten:They invited a bunch of people to LA for this, and they invited a lot of there's a lot of lot of names you'd recognize that were there at the event. And Brian just I mean, it was not a very long I I I have to say, like, a half an hour maybe. Got on stage, talked through all this stuff in it, but it had very, very, like, Steve Jobs live keynote vibes to it. Like, it was the same it was that kind of thing. And so they there was really you could break it down into essentially three categories.
Jason Aten:They released a new app. So they're just on its own, the app got a redesign. And the point That's, like, out now? Yep. Like, available?
Jason Aten:Yep. Yep. The point of the redesign was to enable all these other things that they are are rolling out, these services and experiences. But even just if you didn't care about any of that, the app actually got quite a bit better. And you can tell, like, Brian Chesky is not a tech founder.
Jason Aten:He's a designer. Right? Like, he'll tell you that. Like, he he went to Rhode Island School of Design. He is he was he's not a coder.
Jason Aten:He's not like that. That's just not his thing. He cares a lot about the experience design and the overall design, and that really comes through in the app. Also, you know, Johnny Ive is doing stuff for them, so there's a lot of Johnny Johnny Ive fingerprints all over this thing.
Stephen Robles:And Johnny Ive was there.
Jason Aten:Johnny Ive was there. Yep. Johnny Ive was there. Angela Arons, who used to be the head of retail, was there. She's on the board.
Jason Aten:And so but the other things that the the kind of the headline features were services and experiences. Now experiences, they actually rolled out a while ago and nobody cared. Just like that. Didn't work. Okay.
Jason Aten:This is different now. But the services is kind of like, you know, Airbnb looked at their their weakness is if you book a hotel, there's you can get room service. They might have a restaurant. They might have breakfast. They might have a gym or a spa.
Jason Aten:And so Airbnb is basically allowing you now to book all those things. You mentioned, like, you can book a chef. Right? And in a lot of cities, I think the services are rolling out to, like, 260 cities right now. And it's like, need to book a photographer or makeup artist or a chef or prepared meals.
Jason Aten:There's there's a I think there's 10 categories right now that you can book along with your stay. And one of the interesting things that Airbnb did is you can actually book those things even if you didn't book a house. Right? So you, Steven, in Tampa I don't know actually enough if Tampa is a city, but, like, let's just pretend for a second that it is. Could just book a a chef to come to your house even though you're not staying at an Airbnb.
Jason Aten:You're just staying at Steven's house. Right? Like, so you can book these things even if you're not traveling.
Stephen Robles:So I actually I just went to the Airbnb website experiences nearby. You can do this right now. And yeah, you can do all of this.
Jason Aten:I was talking about sir. We're, we're still talking about services first of all, but that's okay. Like, so the second piece are, yes, you can book these experiences. And the idea of the experiences is, you know, if you go to Paris or you go somewhere, you might look up, like, a travel blog, top things you should do, and you discover that everybody who went to town that day looked up the same travel blog, and everyone's there. Right?
Jason Aten:And so it's kind of like this is the touristy version. Well, what Airbnb is rolling out are it's kind of like visit the cities like the locals do. So you might be you could book an experience where you go and you do a ramen tasting with a Michelin starch chef in Tokyo, or you could tour the Cathedral Of Notre Dame with one of the architects to help restore it. Or you might, one of the experiences might be, like, touring a museum with a paint restoration expert or something like that. Like, there's just all these different cool experiences.
Jason Aten:And then within the experiences, they have these things called Airbnb originals, and this is where it gets weird and kinda wild. Because, for example, the list of things they rolled out for Airbnb originals are, like, go throw a football with Patrick Mahomes and then have Kansas City barbecue with him afterwards or get glammed up with Sabrina Sabrina Carpenter or there's just all of these or, there was like They
Stephen Robles:should have put you in that experience, Jason. I wanted to see you get the lane up and
Jason Aten:some good. Now there were a number of experiences that they took people on while I was there. And Yes. One of them was yoga, and I was super thankful that they did not put me in that group. Very, very thankful.
Jason Aten:Yeah. So, yeah, the one that I ended up doing that they sent us on was a listening party with Chance the Rapper. So that it was this sort of interactive there's sort of this, like, light experience. I'm not gonna do good enough explaining it. Very cool.
Jason Aten:They you kinda spent some time doing it, and then you listen to this I think most of them were unreleased songs, and then he took questions, talked to everybody about it. So that was very cool. But the point of these Airbnb originals the reason I said it gets kinda weird is I don't know how much availability Patrick Mahomes has to have people come over and throw a football with him. Right? Like I It doesn't feel like that's the kind of thing that he's gonna do a lot of, so maybe this is just marketing.
Jason Aten:Right? It's like there was one with, Megan Thee Stallion. Like, it's so it's like, I don't Interesting. I don't know how I don't know how much it it's not I don't wanna say it's not real. I'm just saying, like, that's not scalable.
Jason Aten:Right? No. Only a small number of people are gonna do it. And I was trying to compare. I was looking at the Cameo.
Jason Aten:Are you familiar with Cameo app? That service where you
Stephen Robles:can Yeah. It's like pay somebody to say, like,
Jason Aten:happy birthday. Yeah. Or whatever like that or good job on that test. You you didn't fail. Good job.
Jason Aten:But you look at the list of of celebs that are in there, and the person the person I met in Miami, not on that list. Right? None of the people who are at this Airbnb are on the Cameo app. It's like, these are people who were, like, doing really well twenty years ago, and it's like, maybe I'll take $50 to make a quick video to send to somebody. But the most of the people you would want to send your kid a happy birthday, like, Tony Hawk is not on there if your kid's into skateboarding.
Jason Aten:Right? Like, it's Right. So I was trying to figure out, like, the people who have the bandwidth to be interacting with fans on a regular basis or on the Cameo app, and they're not famous anymore. The people that Airbnb got to do this, I'm like, I don't know how much how much of a thing this is actually going to
Stephen Robles:I'm sorry. Now that you when you mentioned Cameo, I was a little distracted because I was very curious.
Jason Aten:Who's on Cameo right now?
Stephen Robles:Because apparently, YouTubers is a category that you can filter by, and yeah.
Jason Aten:I don't know who any of those people are.
Stephen Robles:I've seen this guy on TikTok. He's like a workout guy. I actually, I really like this guy. He does he's a firefighter, and he does he reenacts basically wild, like, nine eleven calls that he's done. Let's see, is MKBHD on here?
Stephen Robles:No. No.
Jason Aten:That's what I'm saying. Like the
Stephen Robles:Jason Aitin.
Jason Aten:He's not on there anymore.
Stephen Robles:I don't think any of these guys are you. Anyway, know, it makes sense as the next step for a company like Airbnb because I have booked some Airbnbs in the past, and you do feel a little bit like on your own as opposed to when you go to a hotel and you have all the, whatever, amenities, even if it's just like a restaurant. I'm curious the cost of some of these. Like, is this going to be cost effective?
Jason Aten:So, like, you could do a so they tried to they're trying to keep that at a reasonable price point. So for example, you could do a chef for $50 a person. Personal chef for $50 a person for a family of six seems kind of expensive to me. Like, I'm like, man, I could just, you know, go to Chick fil A, and it does not cost me $50 a person. But also, like, if you are the type of family that that would be a enjoyable experience to have a personal chef come, like, that's you're not paying for the food at that point.
Jason Aten:You're paying for the ex
Stephen Robles:And I I just looked apparently, here in Tampa, One of the you can book this, a private dining with award winning chef. This is chef Brittany, ten years of experience. Hundred $20 a guest for handmade pasta experience, but it looks like maybe you'll make your own. Like, she'll walk you through making your pasta or $140 per guest for la genesee. I don't know what that is.
Stephen Robles:I don't think I'm fancy enough for that. But
Jason Aten:I don't know either, but I'm I am gonna be honest that paying a hundred and $20 a guest and you have to make your own pasta doesn't actually feel like a great
Stephen Robles:May may may maybe she's making the
Jason Aten:I will come to your house and you make your own food. Jason, you should you should be
Stephen Robles:on this Airbnb experience. Listen. I'll come to your house, and I'll show you how to make some pasta.
Jason Aten:Yeah. I will I and I'm gonna do, like, tech support. So when you come to an Airbnb somewhere and you need to, like, set the Wi Fi doesn't work, you can just call me, and I'm gonna just come to the Airbnb and be like, unplug it, unplug it.
Stephen Robles:This is this is fascinating. You know? No. No. This is all live.
Stephen Robles:Right? Like the experience?
Jason Aten:Yeah. So some of the Airbnb originals are, like, coming in the future kind of thing. The other thing I was gonna just mention, so a part of their app redesign, and I actually think this could be the most interesting long term thing for Airbnb. I so I interviewed Jay Carney, who's, like, their head of policy and communications. He used he was Barack Obama's, press secretary, and then he was the head of communications for, Amazon for, like, seven years.
Jason Aten:So he he's he's a pretty savvy guy. He's been in the Silicon Valley for a while. And I just asked him, like, is this do you expect this to be as big of a business as people renting out their house? Right? And and, he the reality is probably not, except Right.
Jason Aten:There is a limit to the number of hosts that they can have on their platform just in terms of, like, there's there's a limit to the number of people who own houses. There's but this is a multiplying factor for how many different people they can get onto the platform to do other things. And one of the interesting things that they did is in the the new app, they basically so if you they're rolling out messaging, and they're kind of building in a social network into the app. And I'm always super skeptical because everybody wants to build a social network into an app. But what what they did is, let's say that you go on this, like, ramen tasting in Tokyo and you and your wife go and there's six other people that are there.
Jason Aten:You get put into essentially, like, in your profile, you could go back to that experience, and now you can stay connected to those people. You can share photos from that event. You can message them in the Airbnb app. All of it's happening right there. And I actually think that that's kind of cool because the kind of relationship you would build with people on an experience like that is different.
Jason Aten:It's you don't necessarily wanna give them all your phone number. Right? Like, it's not like handing out your iMessage. But I do think that that is actually going to be a powerful thing for people. It's like shared experiences create connections that you wouldn't otherwise have.
Jason Aten:And just to be able to continue that, I think I think that there there might be something there.
Stephen Robles:It feels like the the first social feature that's actually social. You know, most of the time most of the time, a social network is just people broadcasting things and then other people maybe replying, but interaction, you know, but to actually be have had an experience with some people in person, hopefully something that you enjoyed doing, and obviously, whoever you are with does these kinds of things. Yeah. I mean, that that kinda makes sense, getting
Jason Aten:these people. Social in the sense that you actually had a real world experience with these people. These are not just people who you friended on Facebook because you were scrolling through profiles and you're like, oh, that person likes it.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Wait. Wait. Wait. You just scroll around and just to friend people I have not
Jason Aten:added a friend on Facebook in
Stephen Robles:I gonna say
Jason Aten:years. I don't even every I'll be honest, every time I get a friend request on Facebook, I'm like, are we still really doing that?
Stephen Robles:Like, it's not spam.
Jason Aten:I just
Stephen Robles:I just assume it's spam. Even if it's someone I completely recognize as their profile picture, I'm like, this this probably
Jason Aten:I'm like, I'm 45. My friend list is set. Don't talk to me. Yeah. Don't need any more friends.
Stephen Robles:The door is closed. Okay. The gate the gate is down. But one thing you had said before we started recording, and I saw others on social media who were at the Airbnb events say, is Apple really needs to go back to in person, on stage presentations. And Apple, I think, is one of the last holdouts since COVID to continue the video event.
Stephen Robles:Google IO is next week, and the last couple Google IOs have been live people on stage doing live demos, Microsoft events, live people on stage doing demos, even the Amazon Echo event recently, live people on stage. And so even after this, the Airbnb one where Brian Chesky was on stage, again, Mark Zuckerberg, he's on stage whenever they have announced stuff recently. I think it's time. Do you think it's time Apple go back to live?
Jason Aten:Yeah. And, I mean, they do in person events, obviously. Like, WWC is an in person event, it's not a live event. I mean, Tim Cook will come out and be like, good morning. And then, you know, we're so excited that you're here, and then we watch a video.
Jason Aten:It's the same video that everybody else can see. It's not like, I I think I think Apple does the prerecorded thing better than anybody did. And so I think it's gonna be real hard for them because they are so so invested in controlling the story and the narrative. And the thing is they don't have anyone, even Craig Federighi, They don't have anyone who is as good at the live event as Steve Jobs.
Stephen Robles:Craig Federighi is close, though, because Craig has done a lot of live demos.
Jason Aten:He's still not nearly as good overall at the thing, that Steve Jobs was. Like, Craig Federighi is good. He's he's got a great personality, very charismatic. John Turnis, very charismatic. Like, very good.
Jason Aten:But there's they are they do not we're watching them on a, on a video. And if you I've seen Federighi live at different interviews. Last, two years ago, maybe it was, he did the live, interview with, like, I, Justine and and a couple and Don Gianandrea and stuff. He's good, but he's it's just not as natural as Steve Jobs. And Steve Jobs just had a different level of charisma and personality.
Jason Aten:And Tim Cook definitely is not that. And a lot of the presenters that Apple uses are not like that, so I think you would see less of them. I think you would see, like, three or four people on the stage, but I think that it is like, even Google IO that I'm going to next week is mostly a live event. Right? Like, so everyone else has gone back to it.
Stephen Robles:I've I just think, you know, the demos that Apple used to do, like last year when they were doing Apple intelligence and the semantic index for the assistant, I think maybe that would have had a natural filter because they wouldn't have been able to demo some things on stage. And so maybe this year, it would make it it would almost be a proof proof of legitimacy. I don't know. Like, go back to some live demos. I feel like they could even mix and match some things, you know, do, like, a live intro, live announcements for iOS, live demos.
Stephen Robles:But then maybe when you go to Johnny Saruji down in the basement talking about the chips, you know, show a video of Johnny Saruji. You know, that's fine. Or if you wanna talk about WatchOS and what isn't it? Kevin who's the WatchOS guy? He used to be at Adobe.
Stephen Robles:Kevin Lynch?
Jason Aten:Oh, yeah. Okay.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Kevin you know, if you're gonna have Kevin Lynch on a beach somewhere because he's talking about Apple Watch and diving in the water, like, do that. But I think doing some live demos I I don't think it's gonna be this year, but it will, again, bring back, I think, some legitimacy and like, oh, okay. Yeah. Let's show this stuff off live.
Stephen Robles:And I I think Craig Federique could do it. There's probably a lot of there's a lot of people inside Apple. I feel like there's probably some some charismatic, and no one will ever be Steve Jobs. Although, I don't know. Maybe that's not not accurate to say.
Stephen Robles:Maybe maybe there'll be someone else
Jason Aten:I mean, Brian Chesky is pretty good. Like, Brian Chesky had the same kind of a vibe. Yes. There's a point in time I'm like, I wonder if he's available for a job. I don't know, but he
Stephen Robles:Brian is different. Like, I feel like he has an intensity that, I don't know, it works for him. Because I've listened to him a lot of podcasts. You know, he's been on Decoder a couple times. Obviously, you've interviewed him.
Stephen Robles:I feel like it's a different vibe than Apple.
Jason Aten:And I mean I would argue though that his overall approach to products and his his the way he tells the story about them is closer to Steve Jobs than probably anybody at Apple currently. Okay.
Stephen Robles:Alright. Well And
Jason Aten:it was one of the things I thought that was really funny is he's like, I'm gonna pull up an iPhone now. He's like, so this is a real life demo. Like, almost like throwing some yeah. He actually said that in
Stephen Robles:that thing. Shoot.
Jason Aten:That's shade. It was interesting because he went back to the demo several times. Now he could have been picking up different phones. That's entirely possible. I I didn't pay that close of attention.
Jason Aten:But every time he did it, so for the the services, then for the experiences, and then to talk about the profiles and stuff, like, the recent searches was slightly different. So I'm like, he might maybe he was picking up a different phone each time. Right? Because it was like, oh, now we're gonna go to Tokyo, and Tokyo showed up in the recent searches thing. So there was something going on there.
Jason Aten:It wasn't exact like, so I
Stephen Robles:think was fine. VPN different VPNs.
Jason Aten:No. I guess what I'm saying is, like, I watched your last interaction, and the only thing that showed up there was Paris, and now all of a sudden Tokyo is one of your recent searches. So I'm like, is there someone else somewhere logged into your Airbnb account? And when you put the phone down, searches for Tokyo so it'll appear at the top, which is, I guess, entirely possible. But either way, they pulled it off very well.
Stephen Robles:See, but that that's also the kind of magic. I mean, I still love hearing the stories about, like, the original iPhone demo demo and and, like, the phone call just, like, hanging by a thread, you know, and it just barely made it through demo. But also, like, pinch to zoom. Doing that demo live on stage was huge. And even, like, Coverflow, which some people are like, still bringing back.
Stephen Robles:I don't know. Some of those things that just that's what plays really well live. And it probably would feel less weird to applaud at someone demoing on stage than a video. Right? I don't because no one applauds no one applauds at the videos, right, like when there's an announcement?
Stephen Robles:I mean WWDC?
Jason Aten:Depends on what's happening. Like, people
Stephen Robles:The calculator app. Did people applaud when they announced the calculator for the iPad?
Jason Aten:I think people were pretty excited.
Stephen Robles:Okay. Alright.
Jason Aten:Well mean, more excited than they were when they realized there weren't gonna be apps on the Vision Pro.
Stephen Robles:What do you mean app?
Jason Aten:I mean, is Netflix on there yet?
Stephen Robles:Oh, well, YouTube. YouTube still. Oh, I'm glad you said that because we do have, some Vision OS three point o rumors I just wanna touch on later, but you still use it every day?
Jason Aten:Pretty much. I mean, I didn't Still? Here's the thing. I don't take it when I'm traveling, so I feel a little bit disingenuous saying
Stephen Robles:Which is insane. Which is Not as the old
Jason Aten:Steven, I have never I travel a lot more than you, and I've never
Stephen Robles:You do.
Jason Aten:Ever seen a human being with a VisionPRO on an airplane
Stephen Robles:Have you ever seen a human being have you ever seen another human being with a VisionPRO, period, outside of California?
Jason Aten:But what no. But what you're saying though is that people should be wearing them on planes, and I'm saying no one does that except for YouTubers. The the people the the Venn diagram of people who make YouTube videos and people who are willing to wear VisionPro on a plane is a one circle.
Stephen Robles:I saw a video yesterday. I think it was from
Jason Aten:You can't even argue with that.
Stephen Robles:Well, I saw it from the Washington Post, and they were saying, like, here are the five gadgets you need when you travel. And the dude was like, I fly five straight days a year, like a hundred thirty hours. And he basically said AirPods Pro, AirPods Max. He had an Anker charger. He said this and that.
Stephen Robles:And then I was waiting to see if he was gonna say the Vision Pro or something else. And he talked about the Xreal glasses, which just look like weird glasses that have the screen in between, and those are the ones he recommended.
Jason Aten:And those are basically just like a display for your computer. Right?
Stephen Robles:Yes. But just way more discreet than a Vision Pro.
Jason Aten:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Stephen Robles:And and also sorry. Last I note, and then we'll move on to iOS and Apple Maps and stuff. Did you see the Price Is Right Vision Pro thing?
Jason Aten:Yeah. Nobody knows how much that thing costs.
Stephen Robles:There was so it was a recent Price Is Right episode, and they had the Vision Pro, and all the contestants guessed, like, $1,000. I think the most someone guessed was, like, $1,200. And then and then, what's his face? Is it Drew? What's his name?
Jason Aten:But I think Apple seeded that question as market research. They wanted to know, what do people actually think this thing should cost?
Stephen Robles:$1,000.
Jason Aten:Think it was brilliant. If you think about it that way, it was pretty brilliant.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. That is it was pretty good. Alright. Real quick. IOS 18 dot five came out earlier this week for everyone.
Stephen Robles:You got updates on all your devices. All my HomePods are still stuck in limbo, so that's usually what happens with an iOS update, which is cool. But one feature, which I think is good, and it's just nice that to know that Apple has not forgotten that screen time exists.
Jason Aten:This is the hold on. This is the best thing Apple has introduced
Stephen Robles:Yes.
Jason Aten:In, like, five years.
Stephen Robles:Well, and because screen time hasn't changed in five years.
Jason Aten:No. But, Steven, I I I have to write about this. Yeah. I was listening to some podcast. I don't know what one it was, and they just said, like, oh, and this thing happened.
Jason Aten:And I took out my AirPods and I just yelled at my daughter, you are so busted because we have one child who has been she's been good lately, but we have a child who is very good about at getting her on screen time. It's not hard. It's totally just the honor system whether or not this thing works or not, and now she'll
Stephen Robles:So this so this update, basically, there is a settings toggle in screen time, but it's on by default when you update to iOS 18 dot five, where if you have a child device and screen time is enabled and you're managing screen time from your account, if they put in the screen time passcode, you'll get a notification on your device that the screen time passcode was used on that named of device. Now there's a lot of things that would be nice to have in this kind of notification, like rather than just say the device name, actually say the iCloud account because a lot of my kids' devices are just like iPad three or just like iPhone two. So that would be nice. It also does not send you a notification if they put it in incorrectly. So if they tried to put in the screen time passcode, but it failed, you don't get a notification.
Stephen Robles:You don't know that. Which again, if you have a child who's trying like do a dozen times a day and just failing, then maybe it's good you don't get that notification. But if they put it in successfully, you will get notified, that they put it in, which then reveals that they know the screen time passcode. And what you thought was secret, is not anymore. So nice addition.
Stephen Robles:I'm glad it's there. But also, hopefully, they do more with Screen Time. I still wish I I don't know if you still feel this way. Ever since Screen Time, app requests and other requests have gone went into messages, it's just been not great. And I'm, we I advocated for a long time on the Apple Insider show and then here for a standalone password app, and we did finally get it.
Stephen Robles:We have a standalone password app now. I am going to begin advocating or continue for a standalone screen time app. One, because there's a ton of settings in the screen time stuff that's buried in the settings app, and most parents have no idea how to manage it. That's why I have videos from four years ago that still do really well because I explained that whole process. It should be a standalone app.
Stephen Robles:This way notifications that have to do with screen time can all be managed in that one app. The request from different, your kids or whoever else is in your screen time. So standalone screen time app, hopefully, iOS 19 or 12.
Jason Aten:Steven, do you know how many times I try to go in and, like, set app limits on my kids' phone? And a few hours later, I open Instagram and have to put in my own password because I realized I just set the limits on my own account because it's so confusing
Stephen Robles:sometimes. Confusing.
Jason Aten:But do you know what? This basically so I this is the best feature Apple has done for screen time maybe ever. But do you realize that what this just means is we can't figure out how to make it better, so we're just gonna let you know.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. I mean, it's still really bad when it comes to sometimes the restrictions just turn off, you know, like with your web restrictions, it's just like, I don't know. You can just access. And again, thankfully, I mean, my kids are like, hey, can access every website ever, just so you know. So yeah.
Stephen Robles:But but at least it's we know Apple has not forgotten about the feature. So that's
Jason Aten:They're like, we just can't fix it. Screw it. We'll just tell you when your kids are doing stuff.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Exactly. And also Apple announced a couple of other things. We'll talk about the accessibility features in a little bit. But Apple added more information to maps, including Michelin guides and things from the Infatuation and Golf Digest.
Stephen Robles:I never heard of the Infatuation, but apparently that's a thing. But you can look at the Michelin guides right now. It's available just in select cities. So this is not something where it's gonna show you Michelin restaurants in every city, which I
Jason Aten:mean There are not Michelin restaurants in every city. That was that was one of the points that I made to Airbnb. I was like, there are no Michelin starred chefs in Michigan. So who's coming to my house to do this dinner for me?
Stephen Robles:Chance the rapper. Chance the rapper is just doing all the experience.
Jason Aten:Gonna bring KitKats over.
Stephen Robles:Hey. That'd be pretty good.
Jason Aten:That's how I had explained to my wife who Chance the rapper was. I had to show her the KitKat ad that he did. Do you remember?
Stephen Robles:Oh, yeah.
Jason Aten:She she doesn't listen to a lot of Chance the Rapper. But as soon as I showed her that Kit Kat I wonder how much he got paid for that because
Stephen Robles:All the all the money. All the money. All the money. This is, this is what the guide looks like. This is Miami, which is the only city in Florida that has it, but you can, browse Michelin Star restaurants and see it on maps.
Stephen Robles:That's pretty much it.
Jason Aten:At least they're doing something like, they're making this product better. And the reason is because there's a very good alternative out there, which is made by Google. Although, to be fair, Apple Maps' overall user interface a hundred billion times better than Google Maps. Because Google Maps, you open it and you're like, I think that there's a map underneath all of these ads, but I can't actually find I
Stephen Robles:know. I know. And that I posted a anyway. Yeah. I agree.
Stephen Robles:I will say I went through the car wash yesterday and the person was saying, Hey, we're doing a survey and it's a competition. We're trying to like see which attendant gets the most surveys and it would mean a lot if you did it. So I was like, Okay, cool. I'll do it. So what they gave me was a business card with their name on it and a QR code.
Stephen Robles:And I expected the QR code to go to like a form or something. Scanning the QR code sent you straight to the business listing in Google Maps. And what they wanted you to do is leave a rating in Google Maps for their business. And while Apple has come a long way and they still have the weird Yelp integration, so, like, when you see a star rating in Apple Maps, it's really just Yelp. And you can do the thumbs up, thumbs down, and sometimes for restaurants or businesses, you'll see, like, Apple's percentage rating.
Stephen Robles:It Google Maps is still the de facto. When it comes to, like, businesses that want reviews so other people will come to that business or go eat at that restaurant, Google Maps still has a a stranglehold on that part of the ecosystem. And I don't know I don't know what Apple can do. Just needs to buy Yelp if it needs to, like because it incentivizes you. Like, if I'll search for a restaurant in Maps and maybe get directions to it, sometimes I'll see something in Maps that says like, hey, why don't you rate this or let us know how your experience was?
Stephen Robles:But it's obviously not garnering the same amount of data as Google Maps. And like I like you're saying, I see on social media, and a lot of people say they prefer Apple Maps now to Google Maps with the UI and design, but when it comes to business information, it's still it's still not there.
Jason Aten:Well, and if you think about it, it's because all of these small businesses are our workspace, and so the integrations are already there. Apple has this. Apple has Apple Business Connect. I bet you that 85% of small businesses have no idea that it exists because you can go in. You're you're right.
Jason Aten:By default, Apple will just show you, like, Yelp photos of
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:Stuff, but you don't have to have that. You can go in and upload your own photos as a small business. It's just most small businesses don't know that
Stephen Robles:There was actually a business that I frequented, and whenever you try to search for it in Apple Maps, it would send you to the wrong place because they weren't listed in Apple Maps. And Google Maps obviously would tell you where they were. And I would tell the owner like, hey. I can help you get on like, this is free. You can just go to this website and you can list your business in Apple Maps, and then people can find you.
Jason Aten:They'll be like, okay.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, we'll do that. Didn't do it for years.
Stephen Robles:I think eventually, I don't know if Apple Maps did it. I don't know what happened, but eventually they got them.
Jason Aten:They thought you were trying to sell them something.
Stephen Robles:Maybe. I'm not trying to sell you anything. We're talk about Google announcing a bunch of Android features, and they also announced something about watchOS, which I feel like shows how right you were about something that you sell.
Jason Aten:Yeah. I'm taking my points.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. You're gonna you're gonna take your point when we get to that. And also, they had a big rebrand, a big redesign. That's a little tongue in cheek. We're gonna talk about that too.
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Jason Aten:The hall? The hall pass you're
Stephen Robles:talking about? The hall pass. Yeah. The hall pass. Do you remember that?
Stephen Robles:Did you ever have the wooden thing?
Jason Aten:Yeah. Well, I mean
Stephen Robles:Yeah. I remember that you
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Stephen Robles:So Google had a bunch of announcements this week having to do with Android, Wear OS. They still have Google IO next week. We're gonna hear even more stuff next week, but they did, a pre event. An don't know. What do they I mean, it's just it was just
Jason Aten:Here's what we know. All they're gonna talk about next week is Gemini.
Stephen Robles:Oh my word. We're gonna have to do a word don't do a drinking game every time they say, Gemini, take a drink because you will die. You'll probably die.
Jason Aten:Be over before the event begins. I mean, that that makes sense. I get it. Like, that's especially because Google Gemini is it's out there. Like, it's farther ahead in a lot of ways.
Jason Aten:Gemini, I think, is what is it? 2.5 is probably the best model for a lot of things right now. And Google's certainly able to do some things that, our friends in Cupertino have not figured out yet.
Stephen Robles:Our friends in Cupertino. But before we even talk about watchOS nine and the the Android redesign, Google rebranded. It's the G logo.
Jason Aten:They didn't rebrand. They just tweaked the logo.
Stephen Robles:No. No. No. This is a totally different brand. This used to be the old G logo with the hard lines in between each color, and what they did, I think Basic Apple guy said this, they basically selected that layer and turned on the Gaussian blur and blurred the colors together.
Stephen Robles:So now it's kind of a gradient.
Jason Aten:Yeah. It's brave. I mean
Stephen Robles:Courageous.
Jason Aten:Well, actually, here's the thing. We've you and I had this conversation recently. I am opposed to companies tweaking their logos because they don't really need to. The only exception I will say to that is and this was actually I was I was thinking about the I don't know if you, if you listen to the ATP member episodes, but they they, s tier
Stephen Robles:I was listening to the
Jason Aten:tier ranked
Stephen Robles:the game system one.
Jason Aten:But they tier ranked a bunch of company logos. Right? And you go back in time and you look at, like, Microsoft's logo, Pepsi's logo, all these different companies' logos, And they do signify different periods of the company. And Google is definitely entering a new period of this company. Right?
Jason Aten:In in a lot of ways, it may not like, they may not have Chrome in two years. Like, who knows what's happening? Like Wow. They may be licensing their search deal or their search data here soon. In that sense, I actually think they handled it pretty well because they basically just took the same logo and they just tweaked it.
Jason Aten:It's like, it's not a different font. It's not different colors. It's not a different shape. It's just
Stephen Robles:It's just pretty. Yeah. So what you're saying is being against rebranding as a whole, Apple should have never rebranded all this.
Jason Aten:Hold on, though. There's a difference between a rebrand and changing your logo. Your logo and your brand are
Stephen Robles:new.
Jason Aten:I just wanna be clear about the difference. I I'm I know I'm being very, you know, pedantic about this, but I definitely don't think that was a good logo, the original Apple logo, just to be honest.
Stephen Robles:Honestly, that Isaac Newton is epic. I mean, not as a logo.
Jason Aten:It is a fantastic piece of art. It is a terrible line.
Stephen Robles:It's art. But they you know, Apple did rebrand because it was originally Apple Computer Inc, and I think it was around 02/2007 or '8, they rebranded to just Apple Inc. But that I mean, I assume you would be okay with that. I mean, that made sense.
Jason Aten:But I get I mean, so that was it was they did it when they I think they did it the same day they announced the iPhone. I'm pretty sure. Because it was, I think, was, like, 02/2007 when they changed it to Apple Inc. Because it was like, we're no longer just a computer company. Right?
Jason Aten:Because they literally
Stephen Robles:It was January 2007. Yeah. Right.
Jason Aten:But again well, whatever. I don't wanna argue about what it means to rebrand. But changing that name from Apple Inc like, a rebrand is when Netflix decided that the mail order DVD things was gonna be called Quickster. Do you remember those days? It did not last very long.
Stephen Robles:DVDs. I did I did have the DVD.
Jason Aten:They changed their mind very quickly, which is a theme we're gonna get to here in a little while. But that's I mean, anyway, whatever. Yeah. I think Apple when Apple changed from Apple Computer to Apple like, that's like when AT and T changed from whatever American Telegraph and Telecommunications, which everyone just abbreviated as AT and T. And now they're like, actually, the name is.
Stephen Robles:Ma Bell. They should have rebranded as Ma Bell. That would have been that would have been it. So Google did also announce changes to Android, specifically redesign or a new design language, which does feel like this happens every other year where Androids like, we have a new look, fresh new coat of paint. And, you know, it's fine.
Stephen Robles:They're they're trying to reach the, what is it, younger demographic? What is it, Gen Z? Because the iPhone still has such a mind space, at least here in The US, when it comes to teenagers and around that age. And so Google is hoping that this Android coat of paint will be attractive to younger demographics. It still looks pretty android to me.
Stephen Robles:Mhmm. It's fine. You know, I have a Pixel that I know, I pull it out every once in a while just to see what it's what it's doing. But I also have and I still have yet to make a video about this. I need to do it.
Stephen Robles:The Nothing three a. And I would just say when it comes to, like, interesting ideas and kind of, like, fun whatevers, I kind of like what nothing has done in it besides what Apple or what Google has done with Android. But anyway, I don't know. Some little different.
Jason Aten:Well, and the important thing about the mid material three is it's not just Google's design language for how it presents things. It's sort of its customization layer and how it allows people and I I don't think that we could argue that Google isn't doing a better job with Android of that than Apple. Right? I mean, Apple's like oh, yeah. A %.
Jason Aten:Google is so far Android is so far ahead of iOS in that in that particular aspect. And I think it's like take for example the fact that you can't put the clock where you want on your phone. Like, there's and I'm not saying that those things are important.
Stephen Robles:I'm just
Jason Aten:saying you can't make the, like, it is so far ahead.
Stephen Robles:You can't put stuff in the middle.
Jason Aten:It is so far ahead of that. And so for people who that is important, Android does a very good job of that. I mean, on Apple, it's like you can have three widgets on your lock screen, and they only go here. Like, in whereas Google's like
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:YOLO, do what you want. It's fine.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. And they also allow you to change your font and people make it look horrendous. But but, you know, if you wanna do
Jason Aten:that I'm not saying that what people do with it is gonna be good. I'm just suggesting
Stephen Robles:that they offer
Jason Aten:If that's the thing that you care about, that's what this is that's what this is for.
Stephen Robles:Well, it's even like like icon packs. I I don't know if Google does this with Android proper, like the the vanilla version of Android, But on the Nothing Phone, there's actually an option to just give it an icon pack and then select that icon pack, and it would just change all the icons in one step where I made an elaborate shortcut to try and do that, which is still cumbersome and a pain in the neck. So even in that regard, you know, if you wanna do custom icons on iPhone, it is an hours long process. It really needs to be a labor of love because you really want custom icons. But yeah, yeah, Android does that.
Jason Aten:There's a reason Widgetsmith was the most popular app in the universe for a period of time, and it's because finally, you could do things that you could never do before.
Stephen Robles:It is true. But there was also another thing they announced, is this is a huge point for Jason. Wear OS six, which is Google's wearable operating system, is going to bring Google Gemini AI to the watch. And you've been saying this for a long time.
Jason Aten:I mean, I haven't said anything. I didn't even know Google made a watch, but I have been saying No. No.
Stephen Robles:But that
Jason Aten:the watch it's not true. I did know that Google made a watch. But that the watch is the device. That's where these things if you're gonna talk to a device that you're wearing, you don't need a pin. You don't need a rabbit that goes in your pocket or whatever.
Jason Aten:Like, just the watch. Just make it the watch. And I app I think the don't you think the, like, the Apple Watch series 10 and the Ultra two should be capable of doing?
Stephen Robles:It it definitely should be. I mean, it feels plenty fast. Even if it is just communicating with your phone, which it was saying in this in the verge article, your the watch does need WiFi or LTE. Like, is not using some on device model.
Jason Aten:No. Yeah. But but most people's watches are either connected to their phone or connected to the Internet. We've solved that problem. Like, make it so that I can chat at my wrist.
Jason Aten:I don't even have my watch on. That's really weird. Anyway, talk to my wrist and have it do its thing.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Which did you know actually saw I'm gonna do a video on this. Did you know for setting a timer, if you have the raise to speak enabled on your Apple Watch, you can literally just say a time, and it will set a timer for that time. You don't have to say set a timer. Did you
Jason Aten:know that? I believe that that's true, but I just no. I did not know that.
Stephen Robles:Five minutes. All I did was say five minutes. Look at that. All I did was say five minutes to my Apple Watch, and it started a five minute timer. I didn't know you could do that.
Stephen Robles:And do you
Jason Aten:know what Apple does better than Google in this regard? That when you say set a timer for a blank amount of time, if once it figures it out, it takes it a couple seconds, but it starts the timer based on when you told it to do it. Whereas if you set a timer on a Google device, you're like, hey, Google, set a timer for five minutes.
Stephen Robles:Oh, I can drop a marker to mute that. Or maybe not. Maybe I'll just let everybody's Google just set timer.
Jason Aten:So now it's telling me I'm going to set a timer for five minutes, and now the timer has started. And now it's like, now everything's boiled over. Like,
Stephen Robles:this is not useful.
Jason Aten:This is not useful. But I anyway, I but, like, it can't be so Apple's already doing this. If you pick up your phone and you're like, ask chat GPT what the weather's gonna be like tomorrow, my phone isn't doing anything. It's already sending it to the cloud anyway. So, like, why can't my watch do that?
Stephen Robles:Yeah. That would be that would yeah. That'd be nice. I'm up for it. I'm up for it.
Stephen Robles:One other android y thing before I wanna talk about the iOS 19 accessibility features, these Samsung Galaxy s 25 Edge is out there in the wild. I'll link to MKBHD's video. He didn't call it a full review. He was just kinda talking about first impressions because it looks like they just got it. But Samsung is first to the thin phone revolution, I guess, and we're expecting to see iPhone 17 Air soon as well.
Stephen Robles:He has concerns, like he said in the video, about battery life, which you would think from a very thin phone, but it's also, like, in kind of like a mid tier. He said it's kind of in between the Samsung Galaxy s 25 plus and the Pro. So it kinda has, like, slightly better features than the base model, but it's a very thin. It's a very thin phone. We'll see if people like it.
Jason Aten:I feel like we're now entering our skinny jeans phase of phones. So does that mean we eventually end up with really baggy, you know, high waisted? I'm just saying, like, the mom don't are we gonna go to mom jeans event like, the phone?
Stephen Robles:No. We're go to bell bottoms. We're just the bottom of phones. They're super wide.
Jason Aten:I think so. Or maybe reverse the phone. Skinny jeans came after bell bottoms. I'm just I'm just saying.
Stephen Robles:Everything goes for full circle.
Jason Aten:You could always say weird that
Stephen Robles:Why is why is your why is your speaker still listening to you? Was that a HomePod or your
Jason Aten:I think it was a HomePod. I don't even know what was talking to me.
Stephen Robles:Jason's Jason's assistants are becoming sensitive. Cool. Gonna be they're gonna get they're gonna tag. So anyway, it's out there. We'll see what actual full reviews say about it.
Stephen Robles:But the thin phone the thin phones are here.
Jason Aten:We want I
Stephen Robles:don't I don't think I want them.
Jason Aten:Are you buying a thin phone next year? This year?
Stephen Robles:I mean, gonna buy one to make a video, but it's probably not gonna be the one I use as my full time phone. I'm still on the fence. I don't know if I'm gonna go pro or pro max this year. I don't know because
Jason Aten:You have a pro max now. Right?
Stephen Robles:I have a pro max right now. Very large. But better battery life. Also, of all I make all the videos, the screen's bigger anyway. We'll see.
Stephen Robles:We'll see. Speaking of things that everybody gets though for their next iPhone. IOS 19 in the last I think it's been the last three or four years Apple has done because World Accessibility Day is May 15. Actually today, I think, as we're recording. Yep.
Stephen Robles:And so Apple announces new accessibility features ahead of WWDC, and they've done it again this year with iOS 19. They have a a really fun video about some of these. Significant features coming in iOS 19. Accessibility nutrition labels. So if you recall, if you go in the App Store, there's the privacy nutrition labels talking about what data apps will take from you if you install the app and use it.
Stephen Robles:Well, now there's gonna be accessibility nutrition labels telling you what it supports, like voice over, reduced motion, things like that. So that's a welcome addition. Also, new magnifier on Mac, which you can either use your phone and point it towards like a book or something, and it will show you magnified text digitally live on the Mac, which is really cool. I mean, that's super fun. So you get that.
Stephen Robles:There's a new braille experience. When I posted about this, there was some confusion because people were like, how is the iPhone going to do braille on its display? And it's not exactly the case. It can work together with braille displays, so like external devices, but it's also gonna have ways to input things in braille. I'm really sorry because I have no experience with this, but, I'm not sure what the exact terminology is.
Stephen Robles:But braille screen input with a connected braille device and braille access where users can quickly take notes in braille format and perform calculations using Nemeth Braille, a braille code often used in classrooms for math and science. So support for those things. That's super cool. Accessibility reader. This is super fun too because, you know, if you have, like, a PDF on your iPhone, maybe in the files app, depending on how that PDF is formatted, you can't really, like, enlarge the text like you would with an Apple Book or in Safari, and so accessibility reader is gonna take things like a PDF or other files and basically give you a reader mode for that.
Stephen Robles:And you can make the text larger, change the contrast, the colors, I think even speak it, which is very cool. Live captions on Apple Watch. If you've not ever used live captions, I've done videos on this in the past. It's an amazing feature where basically you turn it on and if someone's speaking to you, it's going to transcribe what they're saying in real time. And it's pretty good.
Stephen Robles:It you could do it on your phone now with iOS 18. Well, it's gonna be coming to the watch, which is feels like an even more, accessible device to have that kind of feature on it. Love that. Enhanced view with Apple Vision Pro, which I think three people will be able to use and Jason, when he wears it every morning. But that's cool.
Stephen Robles:You can basically, like, magnify things in the real world and, you know, make it large in Apple Vision Pro. That's super fun. And there's a bunch of other smaller additions. Things like vehicle motion cues will be added to the Mac, better eye tracking, head tracking, personal voice, which I'm did you ever try personal voice? Did you ever train the personal voice, Hunger?
Jason Aten:I did not.
Stephen Robles:So personal voice is one of the best Apple videos, I think, that happened recently where, you know, if you if someone was losing the ability to speak, they could train the iPhone to then, do text to voice in your voice, and it's supposed to sound like you. Now personal voice to train it previously, you had to read 150 statements, and it did not sound very good. Like, it did not sound like me. And I have an Eleven Labs professional voice trained on my recordings, and then I did the personal voice on iPhone. The iPhone version doesn't sound anything like me, especially compared to Eleven Labs.
Stephen Robles:So I'm curious if it will actually get better at what it sounds like, but they've reduced the training necessary. So rather than 150 phrases that you have to read, there's just 10 phrases that you can speak, and it will supposedly train it based on that. So that's cool. And the last thing I think, just a interesting point in this Apple Newsroom article as they were talking about accessibility. At the very bottom, Apple shared its own little shortcut.
Stephen Robles:It talked about the Shortcuts app, and they they made a shortcut called hold that thought. And it's a shortcut that prompts users to capture and recall information in a note so interruptions don't derail their flow. And you can download it now from the Apple News article, and it runs on Mac and iPhone. I asked Matthew Casanelli to give a quick review, and he said it's actually pretty good. Works well.
Stephen Robles:So Apple, they're making shortcuts now. They're getting their competition now. They're making they've made one in the last ten years.
Jason Aten:That's very anticompetitive of
Stephen Robles:That's alright. I'm I'm down for the competition. Go ahead, Apple. Let's let's bring it on. Bring on whatever shortcuts you wanna make.
Stephen Robles:So that's cool. And then now, also, did you see the the sound therapy stuff that came out?
Jason Aten:I'm I yes. I didn't have a lot of time to dig into it, but I it was interesting that this came out at a time related to when I went to that listening party thing because a large part of that was this partnership that he he did with Chromasonic, which I don't exactly know what Chromasonic is except for that we went into this room and there was music playing and there was all of this light. And the frequencies of the music changed the lighting, and then the lighting also changed the music. Like, there was this and so it was, like, this twenty minute experience that was designed to help you, like, relax or whatever based on all this. And so I'm like, oh, I know exactly what otherwise, I would have read this and I would have like, I have no idea what they're talking about.
Jason Aten:But I'm like, oh, no. I've I've experienced sort of this.
Stephen Robles:And it's it's kind of like remixes of some songs, but then it's basically just Apple Music playlist. Like, you could just add these playlist to your Apple Music and try it So curious to if anybody's done that. I don't know. Have ever tried the Endel app?
Jason Aten:No.
Stephen Robles:Endel is like this supposedly an app that tries to predict what kind of atmospheric music will help you focus or give you energy. I've done it a couple times. Like, it's interesting, but, yeah, so sound therapy. Every time
Jason Aten:I put on music to help me focus, it just makes me tired.
Stephen Robles:What are you what are you putting on? Sabrina Carpenter?
Jason Aten:That does not make me tired. No, I'm just saying like, I, cause the music that I'm weird cause I I'm just, that's just a true statement period. But like, I just would rather listen to normal music to help me focus because it just hurts me. Like, but if I, if I'm gonna, I think what happens is if I'm listening to something that someone else thinks should help me focus, now I'm thinking more about the music. And then it makes
Stephen Robles:me like helping me focus.
Jason Aten:But it's like, this is not what I would normally be listening to. So it's different and it's weird. And now I just wanna go to sleep.
Stephen Robles:Okay. Alright. That's, yeah.
Jason Aten:We should
Stephen Robles:move on. Yeah. We'll move on. VisionOS three, there's some rumors coming out. There's a there's a ton of rumors coming out about, like, the iPhone 18 and the iPhone 19.
Stephen Robles:Can I just say let me just ask you real quick, Jason? Do you feel like there's been a rumor timeline inflation in recent years where I feel like rumors used to just focus on the iPhone that's coming out this year, and then in the last couple years, it's been like, Well, here's rumors about not the iPhone 17, but the iPhone 18 coming out next year. And now we're talking about Apple's product lineup in 2027. It's literally been articles that Mark Gurman is talking about in Bloomberg. Yeah.
Stephen Robles:Have we gotten a timeline inflation?
Jason Aten:Wasn't the headline like, 2027 is gonna be a real big year for Apple? Yes.
Stephen Robles:Yes. That is literally it. What? That's two two years from now. Are are what what is that?
Stephen Robles:Why do we have this infla is it just, like, there's not enough Apple news right now and so people are talking about 2020? I don't know.
Jason Aten:I feel like I can't I I can't really put my mind on why someone would leak that information unless it's to be intentional on Apple's behalf. Because it's like you could see a scenario where the some executive is like, we need the world to know that we're still doing some things over here even though we're in the middle of getting, like, sued or we're gonna lose search. We're gonna lose 20,000,000,000 from search. We're gonna use $10,000,000,000 from the app store because of all this stuff that's happening. But 2027, it's gonna be a real big year.
Jason Aten:So you all just sit tight and give us some time.
Stephen Robles:Two years. I don't know. It it just feels like we have a timeline inflation. I don't know. But, okay.
Stephen Robles:Well, Vision OS three, supposedly, this is a rumor. It's going to let you scroll using just your eyes. So rather than having to, you know, do the pinch and swipe up and then floating in the air, you can just just scroll by looking, I guess.
Jason Aten:I don't know if I like that because my eyes need to move around the screen in order to consume what's on it, but I don't necessarily want the screen to move. Like, this just makes me feel like I'm gonna throw up.
Stephen Robles:Maybe it's just like maybe it's like a half squint. You know what I mean? Like, you open you you look with your whole eyeballs, and that just you look around and then you squint halfway and then you can that seems
Jason Aten:like It's gonna be really good in allergy season.
Stephen Robles:It's yeah. I still think I don't know if you said this or someone, but, like, it it is weird how in the VisionPRO, your eyes, which are typically a strictly input device, now become a output device and controller. And it's it's it can be a little weird. It can be a little weird. Alright.
Stephen Robles:Two quick things, and then we're gonna get to personal tech, which is my new computer. But you had an article about Google that's being really annoying in Safari. And are is this talking about, like, the pop up, like, every time you search in Safari?
Jason Aten:Included their little I should've I'll add a
Stephen Robles:Little screenshot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's But, yeah, super cool.
Jason Aten:Ridiculous. Every single time you wanna do a search and it's like, would you like to continue this in the Google app? And then the button says continue, which is selected, or stay in browser. So if you just click continue, what you think you should be doing is, like, just don't do anything different. Just let me make my search and do my thing.
Jason Aten:But if you click that, it will open the Google app if you have it installed or take you to download the Google app. And I put this together with the whole Google was very emphatic that searches are not down even though Eddie q went on the stand and tossed them underneath the bus and then backed it up a few times when it said that, you know, searches in Safari are down. And Google's like, but but but but that's because people are using the Google app. And I'm like, well, no kidding. Because you just keep putting people into the Google app when they try to do searches in Safari.
Jason Aten:And also Google, like, if you think about it, I don't know the details of the revenue sharing that they have for the search deal, but of course, Google wants you to use the Google app because if it monetizes them in there, probably it's not paying Apple a commission on those because they're no longer happening in Safari.
Stephen Robles:That is true. I I'm a little tired of Google search, I'll be honest. And last week we talked about what if an AI was an option as a default search engine. And I feel like and when I search in just the Safari address bar on my phone, I'm getting Google's AI overview 90% of the time anyway. And I feel like if I could change that to, like, ChatGPT web search, I might switch now because I'm like, I'm already getting AI results.
Stephen Robles:I'm just getting Google's AI results. I would say 30% of the time it's inaccurate. Like I was asking you I was searching last night. I was trying to build a shortcut for somebody in my community, and I was trying to find if it was possible. And the AI overview just basically lied to me.
Stephen Robles:Like, said, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You could do that. You just do this, this, and that.
Stephen Robles:I'm like, you can't do that. So I'm I'm close. I'm like, maybe I don't know. On your iPhone, do you use ChatGPT search, though?
Jason Aten:Yes. Well Okay. I use ChatGPT. So here's the thing. I wish there was a way for me to go and, like because in ChatGPT, I can see exactly how often I'm using it.
Jason Aten:Because there's just a list of all of the things I used it for. Right? So I can basically I wish they were time stamped, but I can basically figure out how often I'm using it. And for almost everything, I'm now just using ChatGPT. Not I don't even I'm just going to the app.
Jason Aten:I'm not even using the ChatGPT search integration in in Brave anymore. And it is we've gotten to a point, like, you know when it first came out and you'd ask it, like, write a bio for Steven Robles, and it's like he was born on a farm in West Virginia, worked in the coal mines, and then traveled the ocean for six years. And then Yeah. Like, he just makes stuff. It's like, that sounds so cool.
Jason Aten:I want that life, but it's not actually mine. I was trying to fix a chainsaw the other day, Steven. And I couldn't figure out why the what was happening. And I thought that the hand the the chain break was engaged, but I couldn't quite figure out how to make it work because anyway, so I took it off, and I just took I just took a photo of the inside of the cover. Literally, I just took a photo, and I just said, what is wrong with this?
Jason Aten:No kidding. That was the question. And ChatGPT said, it appears as though the chain break is engaged. Would you like me to tell you how to fix this? And I said, yes.
Jason Aten:And it gave me all of the steps, and none of it made sense to me. And then it said, do you want me to give you a diagram? And I said, yes. And no kidding, it gave me a diagram of of what to do. Now it's still I mean, I'm sending you a picture of this diagram that, that ChatGPT made for me, and I'm gonna send you the picture that I sent to I can't because I can't drag that right now.
Jason Aten:But, anyway, I I was like, this is incredible. How in the world did ChatGPT do this? And then I did the thing that you do because I'm like, I actually need a YouTube video of somebody fixing this for me.
Stephen Robles:Right. Right.
Jason Aten:Right. Least now I knew what I was looking for. Right?
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Exactly.
Jason Aten:Exactly. I mean, like, ChatGBT, just from a photo that said what how did it know, Steven? If I sent a photo of something and it could tell I mean, some of those labels are not exactly like, that doesn't matter, though. Like, it did the thing, and it took my photo, and it knew instantly, like, yeah. Looks like your little that that long screw thing or that long spring thing right there.
Jason Aten:It's like it looks like that's engaged. I'm like, how does it know?
Stephen Robles:I I will say the rotate clockwise, the arrow, I think, is backwards, but
Jason Aten:It is.
Stephen Robles:It is.
Jason Aten:There's plenty of things that are not exactly correct. But
Stephen Robles:But if it gets you but if it gets you 90% of the way there, you know, even knowing what to search or the term that you need, you know, it's it comes a long
Jason Aten:way. But if I can take a photo of something that's not working and just say, why is what is wrong with this? And it can actually look at the photo, and it knows what it is, and it can tell that there's a problem. I didn't say the chain won't work. I didn't say this is a chainsaw that I took the cover off of.
Jason Aten:I just said, what is wrong with this?
Stephen Robles:That's listen. That's wild. I'll give you that. Alright. Last thing before we talk about my m four max studio.
Stephen Robles:There was a company that did rebrand again, HBO, which is a part of Warner Brothers Discovery. It's now it's it's back to HBO Max.
Jason Aten:The streaming service. They've changed the name. Know, this HBO was originally HBO, and then it was HBO Go, and then it was HBO Now. And then they made it they combined them all, they made them make it to be on Max, but they kept the HBO Go app around for a while.
Stephen Robles:Yep. And then they just
Jason Aten:they just made it all Max when they merged with Discovery. And, because they thought that HBO would be not a good name to have in an app where they also had, like, you know, whatever Discovery has kind of stuff. Is is it HGTV and all that kind of stuff they didn't wanna Yeah.
Stephen Robles:Stuff like that. Stuff like that.
Jason Aten:And then they were like, actually, HBO was the most valuable brand that we had. We should put it in the name of everything, please.
Stephen Robles:So silly. I saw a couple of people online being like, did HBO just do this for the Internet memes? And I'm I'm almost inclined to believe that theory. Like, maybe this was the best marketing move ever because all everybody's doing is talking about HBO and Max, but also it's just really kinda really.
Jason Aten:It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. My thing was like, this is the smartest thing that they've ever done. It's real bad if the smartest thing you ever did is just reversing the stupidest thing you've ever done.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Alright. So now it's it's back to HBO Max.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. I think I think they should really just go full circle and just call it HBO. I don't understand
Jason Aten:why mean, there is more, though. Like, that would be like like, Disney plus is not just Disney. You've got ESPN stuff in there. You got Hulu stuff.
Stephen Robles:Got Marvel. HBO Plus. HBO Plus.
Jason Aten:Everybody else has they didn't do HBO Plus is because everybody else's streaming service is Plus. I actually think that the Max is like, that part is fine. Meaning, adding that as the adjective.
Stephen Robles:Sure.
Jason Aten:It was when they it's like, you have a name of a brand, and then you add an adjective to it to signify that this is, like, the better version or whatever.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Aten:Yeah. And they just took away the brand and just left the adjective, and it's like, what is Max? What? It's just it's the
Stephen Robles:most things.
Jason Aten:It's the most of what?
Stephen Robles:Yeah. We don't know. The the the pro max. That's true. HBO pro max.
Jason Aten:Plus. Pro max plus.
Stephen Robles:HBO Max Mac Ultra. Anyway, speaking of maxes and ultras, I'm coming I've been recording this entire episode on my new brand spanking new Mac Studio, m four Max Max Studio. It's gonna be funny. I'm gonna make this video. You'll hear about it here first because I'm gonna make a video about this versus my m one Max Max Studio, but I'm gonna hold up the m one Max at the interview.
Stephen Robles:Like, I just got an m four Max. Then I'll be like, just kidding. This is the m one Max, but it literally looks exactly the same. There's no way you could tell the difference from the outside. And I hopefully, that'll be fine.
Stephen Robles:But
Jason Aten:Steven, also, can I just say a thing? I want you to talk about this. I just wanna tell our listeners, you should not buy a brand new computer and then do a podcast. It's not a good idea.
Stephen Robles:I've been I just no. No. No. I wouldn't have done it, but it came in Tuesday. So I had a whole day okay.
Stephen Robles:Listen. Let me listen. Here's how it happened. K? I got it on Tuesday.
Stephen Robles:I was on the fence. Migration assistant are set up from scratch. And I I was very close to doing migration assistant. Then I started looking at my applications folder. And I said, a, I have all these Adobe apps installed that I haven't used in a year or two years.
Stephen Robles:I don't want any Adobe anything. And I know it's gonna there's a bunch of stuff in my library folder, Adobe support applications, but I don't want any of that. I know I could install it, but I know those those files, they just hide. They're hidden over there in the library. You know you know what I'm talking about.
Stephen Robles:They're just there. So I didn't wanna that we I didn't wanna install Zoom. I haven't used Zoom in forever because we use Riverside. Yes. I work for Riverside.
Stephen Robles:But I haven't used Zoom in forever. Apple uses Webex, so I don't need Zoom there. If I ever need to use Zoom, I think I can do Zoom in a browser. I don't think you need the actual app. I'm like, I'm not gonna install Zoom.
Stephen Robles:And there's bunch of there was other little apps where I was like, I don't use that anymore. I was like, all right, I'm doing a clean slate. I will say start to finish, like logging into my Apple ID to being ready to go, except for enabling screen sharing in Brave, which caused me to have to restart it just for this podcast. Two hours. Two hours was it.
Stephen Robles:Two hours, logged into my Apple ID, installed all the apps, installed things like audio hijack, everything from the Mac App Store, logged into everything. Two hours starting from scratch, and it was basically just like my other one and ready to go. And one, because I basically keep everything in iCloud Drive, so I don't really have to move I don't have to move any files over. Most of my apps are from the App Store, so that's great. And the other apps like Hazel, TextExpander, AudioHijack.
Stephen Robles:I already made a video about all the apps I install on a Mac. I'll try to I'll find that link in the in the show notes. But super fast. And now he has his computer. People are asking me about the specs.
Stephen Robles:Listen. Hey. I gotta I tray I'm trading in my m one Mac, so I saved a little bit there. But I I did go all like, all the way m four Macs. And by all the way, I mean, a 28 gigabytes of unified memory and eight terabyte SSD.
Stephen Robles:Now listen. I know everybody's saying, you know, the eight terabyte is the most expensive upgrade. Yes. I could use external hard drive for everything. I already use it for my Final Cut Pro footage.
Stephen Robles:Know all of that. Here's why I want eight terabytes. My old Mac Studio is two terabytes. I was already like three quarters full and I had the iCloud photo library optimizing Mac storage. So I didn't I didn't have the downloads the originals downloaded.
Stephen Robles:If I were to download the originals, it's about a terabyte for my iCloud photo library. So obviously, I couldn't do it on my old Mac Studio. I could have gone to four terabyte SSD, and then I would have been at, like, two and a half terabytes of full and then, like, one and a half terabytes free for the next however many years. And it's like, you can you can upgrade this. I just I never wanna think about this.
Stephen Robles:So I went all the way, and I did the eight terabyte. And I've and the one checkbox I've never checked on a Mac that I always wanted to do, I had to post a little video, The download originals of my photo library to my Mac, I did it. It's very nice. It all downloaded overnight. And then the next day, Wednesday, my entire iCloud photo library was downloaded.
Stephen Robles:My my mail was all downloaded. My messages, everything synced, and it was ready to go. And it's it's wonderful. Now I I did do some tests. Here's the thing.
Stephen Robles:M chips are very good. I don't know if you know that, Jason.
Jason Aten:I heard.
Stephen Robles:Even the m one chips are still very good. So I started doing side by side tests. I did exports in compressor of, like, my videos. I did transcriptions using transcriptionists and seeing how long those took. It is definitely faster.
Stephen Robles:The m four max does all the tasks faster. The problem is a lot of my tasks are not, like, hour long videos. They're, like, ten minute or fifteen minute videos. So I'm saving, like, two to three minutes on an export, which is not significant. And I would say if you were trying to like, if you do the kind of videos I do, like, even from an m one to an m four is not usually significant.
Stephen Robles:But I wanna do some bigger tasks. Like, I wanna find the longest YouTube video I can find and try to transcribe that and see how it goes with each. And also, like, encode an hour long video, which is something that I'll do periodically from Final Cut and then time that because I imagine there'll be a larger difference there. But, obviously, it's very fast. And, yeah, I mean, I I have now all the SSD.
Stephen Robles:I'm like Thanos. I I can finally rest. I could finally rest. I have a
Jason Aten:lot of thoughts. But the first thing I will say, if you want a good test, and I just did this recently. So I downloaded, while I was in Miami, the Berkshire half Berkshire Hathaway had their annual meeting. And I watched part of it, I was thinking about writing about something, and I wanted to know what they might have said about a couple things. And much easier than searching through every article on the Internet to find out if they happen to include a quote about this particular topic.
Jason Aten:I just downloaded the whole thing. It's, like, six hours long. Put it in Whisper transcription. K? And Whisper allows you to choose the model.
Jason Aten:And if you use one of the large models, it'll give you speaker identification, which is just a really helpful thing. So but they they take a lot longer as you can imagine. In a six hour video, you can imagine will take a while to transcribe. I did convert it to audio first, so I opened it in QuickTime, just exported the audio, and just dumped that in there just for the size of the file. And it took, on the on an m four Pro, MacBook Pro, it probably took, about twenty five minutes to do the transcription and then to go back through and do the speaker identification.
Jason Aten:K? So it does those two things in two different steps in the large in the large model. And then I was so I did what I needed to do and whatever. And I was like, I wonder how long that would have taken on the m four MacBook Air. So I did it on there, and it took about forty five minutes.
Jason Aten:And that's just an m four to an m four pro. So there is, like, a real difference when you start getting into that kind of thing. But you're right. Exporting from Final Cut, it's optimized on every Apple Silicon. Like, there's a specific media encoder that's designed just to do that.
Jason Aten:You're not even, like, touching the CPU, like, to do that kind of thing. But if you are having to compile code all the time because you had to see, did this thing work? Did how does it run? That's where those you know, even if you're like, you go from forty seconds to fifteen seconds, it's like, I can now fix it right now and I can run it right now and I can do those things. And those are repetitive.
Jason Aten:If you're like, I'm making a fifteen minute video and exporting it, this there's zero benefit. Like, it's just, it's not, I'm not important.
Stephen Robles:It's yeah. I mean, it's literally saving me two to three minutes, but there my process, I will typically be exporting a video in Compressor and transcribing the audio and also making my thumbnail in Pixelmator. Like, I'm doing all of that simultaneously. When I do that on my m four Air, it it chokes. Like, it does start actually, like, getting unusable.
Stephen Robles:Like, I can't really make changes in Pixelmator because it's trying to export in the background and trying to transcribe. And my m one Max was able to do that pretty handily. I don't know. And so that's another test I need to do. Like, let me export, transcribe, and edit in Pixelmator and see how that affects the times, and and I'll I'll do it too.
Stephen Robles:But I'm also gonna I'm gonna download that six hour Berkshire Hathaway thing and transcribe it and see and see how that does. But, anyway, yeah, I have it, though. I mean, it's I have all the SSD space now. I should not I mean, honestly, I should not buy a computer now for ten years. I'm not saying I won't.
Stephen Robles:I'm saying I probably shouldn't. Right. I don't I really don't think I need to. And that SSD is insanely expensive, like, as an upgrade. But I also you know, I was in a position this year to be able to do this, and I've never maxed out a configuration on a Mac.
Stephen Robles:Like, I've just never been able to nor feel like I should have or whatever. And so and I you could go up to the m three ultra, but I didn't want the m three. I just wanted the m four.
Jason Aten:And so Because the three is a lower number. That's the reason.
Stephen Robles:Honestly, yes. Yes. That but also, I even again, from my workflows, I knew that the m three ultra was I mean, what I have now is overkill, the m three ultra would be even more overkill.
Jason Aten:And what you had last week was was maybe not overkill, but was plenty.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. What I had last week was good. But I never have to think about RAM or SSD space again. So I don't know. It's it's it's fun to have.
Stephen Robles:It's it's hey. It's just gonna sit here as another block of aluminum. And, yeah, there you go. And ports. I have to say, Mac Studio ports, undefeated.
Stephen Robles:I use every I use every port, and it's wonderful. Every single one.
Jason Aten:Now I just wanna say for our listeners, you should not do what Steven did. And I don't mean buy all the RAM and the SSD. I'm just gonna say for for most people, migration assistant is the way to go because it does put everything the way you need. And, you know, it does not take very long to migration assistant. I think you could have done migration assistant and deleted everything from Adobe, and and it would have still taken you less time because it's real
Stephen Robles:fast to do that. But I just don't try I don't trust the like, I have Hazel looking all through all the files to see if anything else was installed. I just don't
Jason Aten:I just know. Is going to do if some little tiny Craig thing of a kid stuck in a, so what? What's it gonna do?
Stephen Robles:I don't want it in there. I just don't want it in there. Let me know in the community. Let me know on social media. If you identify with my desire to not I just don't want it in there.
Jason Aten:That's fair. I'm saying the trade off is we go to record a podcast and it's like, oh, shoot. Now I can't share my screen without restarting.
Stephen Robles:That have been case even
Jason Aten:critical thing.
Stephen Robles:I feel like that would have been the case either way. I feel like I would have to give it permissions. But I did I did do the thing where I had my old Mac Studio on a display over here with the preference the system settings, And I was literally going pain by pain just to make sure all the settings matched, like mouse tracking speed, vice screensaver, time out settings, all that kind
Jason Aten:of stuff. That's amazing.
Stephen Robles:Anyway, it's enjoyable. I'm gonna do a video on it, so, that'll be on my personal YouTube. But we're gonna go talk about bonus content. I wanna talk about microphone that I bought and already returned. See, I don't keep everything.
Stephen Robles:I have returned some things, especially when I don't need them. And then I
Jason Aten:think just microphones. So far in my experience, the only thing you get and then return are microphone.
Stephen Robles:I've returned some chargers that I've used in a video and not no. I do have more. Have more chargers here. I got these were sent to me though. I got this Anker one that's like also has a nightlight.
Stephen Robles:And then I have this this one I've actually been wanting to try for a while. This is like a four in one charger, and that's what don't do on it. Anyway, we're gonna go record a bonus episode. You can subscribe and listen to our entire back catalog of bonus episodes, including Jon Gruber's preferences lightning round. That was our bonus episode last week.
Stephen Robles:So you can support the show at join.primarytech.ifm. When you do it there, you get chapters even in the ad free version of the episode, but you can also support us in Apple Podcast. Podcast. They just strip out my chapters, and there's nothing I can do about it. But, anyway, you can support us either way and let us know in that survey what member benefit.
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