New M4 MacBook Air, Mac Studio M4 Max vs M3 Ultra, is Mac Pro DEAD?
Download MP3I'm giving her all she's got, captain. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. All the news this week is Apple released new MacBook Air, updated Mac Studio, iPad Air, regular iPad. We're gonna talk about all of that, what it means for dub dub DC, and will we see an updated Mac Pro at some point? Plus things about tariffs, Skype, a little memoriam for them, Apple versus The UK, and special bonus episode about that Sigma b f camera that everyone's saying it's the one Apple would make.
Stephen Robles:This episode is brought to you by 1Password, and you, the members who support us directly, I'm one of your hosts working off just a few hours of sleep, Steven Robles. And joining me also on just a few hours of sleep, my friend Jason Aten. How's it going?
Jason Aten:I'm good. I I'm trying to decide which of us has a better reason for only having a few hours of sleep. I was driving home from the airport because my flight was so windy through, like, most of the country that my flight both to where I went yesterday and so I flew somewhere. Yeah. I flew to Nashville.
Jason Aten:I posted that so I can say that.
Stephen Robles:Right. You can
Jason Aten:say that. Back. Yesterday, and it was so windy that flights were delayed like ours. And then I got to the airport in Detroit, and I bought the cortado. Do you know what a cortado is?
Jason Aten:It's three shots of espresso with a little bit of steamed milk.
Stephen Robles:Wait. Wait. Wait. What time did you buy that?
Jason Aten:It was, like, 09:00. And normally, I don't think it would bother me. Yeah. But Then it did. I didn't go to sleep until very late.
Jason Aten:And so
Stephen Robles:And you historically get up at 5AM and immediately immediately dawn the Apple Vision Pro. That's that's
Jason Aten:your routine. Just done that, and everyone in my family would have just thought I was working, and I could have taken a nap.
Stephen Robles:And and I just wanna be clear. You still have not yet used an Apple Vision Pro on a plane.
Jason Aten:Take it on the plane yesterday, but here's my reason why insane. I flew there and bat would you how am I gonna take it if I all I had was one back.
Stephen Robles:In a backpack. Backpacks exist, Jason. For not having a lot of sleep, I feel like we have a lot of energy. You know what I mean? This is good.
Stephen Robles:We gotta it's gonna expend it all
Jason Aten:right here. We're giving it all we got, Steven.
Stephen Robles:We're giving it all we got. Oh, you know what movie that's from, obviously?
Jason Aten:Isn't it from Star Trek, but it's a movie?
Stephen Robles:It's all it's from all the Star Trek.
Jason Aten:Okay. I'm sure it was from Star Trek. Trek,
Stephen Robles:but It's I know the the Scotty and the Chris Pine Star Treks. He says it at some point, and then anyway. I don't know how many Trekkies we got out there, but alright. Quick. Five star reviews, and then we got old tech, and then we're gonna jump into all the Apple news, which is just wild this week.
Stephen Robles:Thank you all for you've been flooding our five star reviews for the last two weeks, trying desperately to get us back up to a five star rating. I don't know why William Gallagher just keeps leaving one star reviews, but we're still a 4.9. But it's okay because thanks to Jono24 from The UK, we got another five star review. Battery percentage off. Thank you.
Stephen Robles:Phone in non dominant pocket. That's a Jason win. Jamie from The UK, battery on, auto app updates off. He said or no, on. He said he keeps his apps auto updating.
Stephen Robles:Christopher Ericsson, longtime listener and friend back from HomeKit insider from Sweden, and he helped us understand how to pronounce IKEA products. Do you know how to pronounce that word that I have there in the notes? It's in bold next to Christopher Ericsson's name. It is an IKEA hub it's a smart hub
Jason Aten:I'm gonna say Dirajera
Stephen Robles:he actually sent us a voice memo years ago it's Dirijueira
Jason Aten:no that's definitely
Stephen Robles:It's, it's for my key. Anyway, and then Bob sixty three ten from The USA, battery on, battery percentage on, right rear pocket, a rear pocketer. That's kind of a wild card in our listenership. And then finally Matthew g sent us an email he wanted to share some of his old tech which listen this is an ongoing segment now just send us your old tech he's got an original iPod nano first generation he said it still turns on works perfectly but someone set a volume limit on it and locked it with a pin so all the songs are super quiet oh
Jason Aten:that's that's like advanced data protection for your iPod
Stephen Robles:this is the first advanced data protection you lock your volume with a pin He said, does anyone know how to fix this? So I'm asking the community. If anyone knows how to help Matthew g unlock the iPod Nano, I guess you can you factory reset those?
Jason Aten:I mean, do you have a device you can plug it into at this point? Because it's got a 30 pin. Right?
Stephen Robles:It's a go it got a 30 pin. You gotta go on eBay, buy the 12 inch PowerBook g four from 2,005. I don't know. But it looks cool. It looks great condition.
Stephen Robles:I gotta say. So anyway.
Jason Aten:Yeah. So, hey. One thing I'm sorry. One thing about the reviews. Okay.
Jason Aten:I was reading Bob six three one zero's review, and I just wanna ask Bob, and there's no shade. And we don't know his real name. But have I read that? I feel like the prompt was write me a review for my favorite tech podcast. Yeah.
Jason Aten:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But even if that's true, I wanna just call out this is my favorite line from the whole thing. It's a cornerstone of my tech information diet, and I love it.
Jason Aten:But the reason I think that it was not real that he didn't write that, that he had which go ahead. I don't care. If you can find a way to make the bots put all the five star reviews, please just go ahead and do it. In fact
Stephen Robles:Well, we're not automated. We we don't want one of those review farms. Not saying like that.
Jason Aten:I mean, find all your friends. Send them Chad GBT proms. But it says four years, and I think I've only been doing this for, like, fourteen months.
Stephen Robles:I I see. Yeah.
Jason Aten:But thank you. I'm not really I don't mean any, like, disrespect. Thank you for the five star review, but I did read it and I thought,
Stephen Robles:Yeah. I I saw that and I was like, well, technically, I guess 2024 and '25. I guess you could say four years, but
Jason Aten:I love it.
Stephen Robles:But Jono twenty four's review was very kind too. That that seemed, human written. Human written or chachikite written. Go get a get a review and go to have a podcast, five stars, paste it in there. We would greatly appreciate it.
Jason Aten:Absolutely.
Stephen Robles:Apple released 1,000 products this week, Jason. So we gotta jam through it. Okay.
Jason Aten:Let's
Stephen Robles:go in order. It was one it was reminiscent of, like, years ago. There was that week where Apple had, like, three press releases three days in a row.
Jason Aten:Wasn't it last year? They had Mac week or whatever it was.
Stephen Robles:Oh, yeah. That that they do it first. Why didn't okay. First of all, before we even get into it, why didn't they do an event? Why do you think they didn't just do one event?
Stephen Robles:Like, this is an event.
Jason Aten:Well and I think that they did the hands on thing because there are hands on impressions. So they did bring some people somewhere.
Stephen Robles:I didn't see a It was
Jason Aten:not Nashville. I was not there, just to be clear. That's not where I was. I was
Stephen Robles:not there either. I would've posted. I saw Andrew Edwards. I saw k Digital Studio with the iPads. I saw a couple other creators, but it was very, like, the first The Verge
Jason Aten:had the the Verge had the m four MacBook, the sky blue MacBook Air.
Stephen Robles:So like they were showing off the sky blue of all the things, and the iPad Air is what a k Digital Studio had. But it just seems so strange. Like, they Apple has done events in March and April. I remember it was, like, the event for the original redesigned iMac AirTag and, iPad something. Like, Apple would do an event even if it's just a virtual event.
Stephen Robles:Why do you think they chose to do it this way? I mean, they're not doing many events.
Jason Aten:I think well, I think it's partially because when you look at the like, they're always gonna do an iPhone event.
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:And these are all just and these are just updates. And I don't think that based on what like, last year, they did the iPad event sort of. I mean, they sort of did an iPad event where they did the iPad pro with
Stephen Robles:Yeah.
Jason Aten:Yeah. With the m four. But that was a pretty big difference because you had the tandem OLED screens. You had them they finally moved the camera to the right spot and they were able to make a bigger deal. I actually think I I've been, I actually thought about this a lot and I actually think that apple is just trying different things.
Jason Aten:Like they're in there, they're in there. Let's try some stuff era, you know, like, because they've done a bunch of like set things throughout COVID. And I think what they're trying to do is figure out how should we be doing this post COVID. And they're just trying different company, like, because they did the one where the embargo was at 9PM. Like, was it a week or two ago?
Jason Aten:Right?
Stephen Robles:Oh, yeah. Well, it was it was last week for the,
Jason Aten:For the 16 e.
Stephen Robles:For the 16 e. Yeah.
Jason Aten:Yeah. And so they're doing a bunch of different things, I think, and just trying to see, like, what gains traction, what because if you just do the same thing all the time, especially for products like this, I mean, the MacBook Air is they're probably next to the iPhone and the AirPods gotta be like their best selling product.
Stephen Robles:I don't
Jason Aten:like, or it's definitely the best selling Mac. They make no qualms about telling you that every time that they talk about it, it's the world's most popular laptop. And, and, but the Mac studio is a pretty low it's an exciting thing because it's like this thing's
Stephen Robles:I mean, they announced a new chip with it. It was a new chip and everything.
Jason Aten:It was it was new versions of two existing chips.
Stephen Robles:Fair. Yeah. That's fair. So Well, speaking of how they're doing things differently, Tim Cook, now the last two weeks has teased both things. You know, he teased the iPhone 16 e by saying, welcome to newest member of the family.
Stephen Robles:And then he teased all the air stuff. And let's see I'm gonna go down to yeah. So he said on March 3 this week there's something in the air which was an allusion to the original MacBook Air announcement where that tagline there's something in the air was literally on like posters at at that announcement. So he teased that. And then I mean, I think this is new.
Stephen Robles:I mean, to your point, trying things new. Tim Cook basically just like tweeted, introducing the newest iPad Air picture of the iPad Air. That's it. That was that was the whole tweet. Same thing and then MacBook Air.
Stephen Robles:Here's the MacBook Air. He didn't tweet, notably about the MacBook the Mac Studio Mhmm. For some reason, but also he kinda got a little hammered on the iPad Air. There was, like, a bunch of quote t tweets of Quinn Nelson said okay.
Jason Aten:Okay.
Stephen Robles:There's a bunch of quotes he's being like, is this how Apple is doing it now? Like, Apple has fallen off whatever, which I don't know I don't know how you can read that into a tweet. But also
Jason Aten:I wanna I wanna know from that picture, Steven. Pull that picture back up. Oh, yeah. I mean, if you're if you're listening to this, you can't tell what this picture is.
Stephen Robles:It'll be it'll be the, it'll be the chatbot.
Jason Aten:Picture of an iPad Air on
Stephen Robles:one of
Jason Aten:the new magic keyboards.
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:There's an Apple Pencil that was literally just attached seconds before they took this picture because you can see the drop down Apple Pencil charging indicator at the top.
Stephen Robles:But wait a minute. But wait a minute. Wait a minute. Listen. Every time
Jason Aten:It's going the wrong direction.
Stephen Robles:Hold. Everybody stop. Every everybody stop. Everybody stop. Basic Apple guy sent me literally, screenshots of every product marketing image of the new iPads when they came out earlier this week showing me the Apple Pencil direction.
Stephen Robles:And I just wanna note that this this picture that Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, posted announcing iPad Air, that Apple Pencil, that tip is pointed towards the volume buttons, and I rest my case. That's all I gotta say. I didn't even realize that until we I'm I'm glad you had me pull this back up, Jason, because now I can feel vindicated that that Apple Pencil is off.
Jason Aten:That's actually not why I did that. It's just I think it's funny that they literally just snapped it on immediately before taking the picture because it's still showing up up there. But but if you look at that, they could have taken that picture two and a half years ago. What is,
Stephen Robles:yeah, I mean, they could have taken it in 2018 if the color was a little different.
Jason Aten:Well, I mean, I'm just like, what is about that that tells you that that's the newest iPad Air? Literally nothing.
Stephen Robles:Even even the wallpaper is kind of where the anyway, alright. Let's talk let's talk about let's talk about each product. I'm just so I'm so excited that I'm I'm not vindicated. I also wish these, these guys, namely I say these guys, like Apple's SVPs, like Greg Joswiak and Tim Cook, why don't they post the stuff on Blue Sky and stuff? Like, I understand I understand the meta issue.
Stephen Robles:Like, maybe they don't wanna be on meta platforms or whatever, but, like, blue sky is just sitting there. Why aren't they posting this stuff in multiple places?
Jason Aten:Well, they have a partnership with x. Right? So they actually, like, so
Stephen Robles:I don't wanna get it.
Jason Aten:No. I'm just saying, like, the the reach and the volume that they would get on Blue Sky is pretty small. And the reason they're not gonna post links to things on Meta is that Meta literally deprioritizes that stuff.
Stephen Robles:Well, and he wasn't posting links anyway. Like, he was
Jason Aten:On that one, it was just a photo. You're right.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, anyway, alright. Let's talk let's talk about the first thing Apple announced, which is the iPads.
Stephen Robles:New iPad Air with m three, new quote unquote magic keyboard, and new base model iPad. Not a ton of news here. M three, there's not really any I mean, whatever. M three is, like, faster, same pricing, same storage, same sizes, same colors as the previous iPad Air. Bigger update is the new quote unquote Magic Keyboard which now is the function row of keys and a larger trackpad to match the updated, Magic Keyboard for the iPad Pro.
Stephen Robles:And also, this now has like the bespoke cutout. So if you want one that actually matches your iPad Air rather than the iPad Pro that has the larger cutout, you can get that. The Magic Keyboard situation is a little confusing. I'm going here as we're recording on YouTube. The Magic Keyboard for iPad Air, it's compatible for all like the previous Air, so if you had an M2 Air or even the Air before that, but it's still the same body style, it's compatible with all of that.
Stephen Robles:But the if you get the new Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro, remember that's only compatible with the Pros because the magnets are a different formation. But if you have the old magic keyboard for iPad Pro, like, until the one that was released last year, that one would still work with the iPad Air and presumably with this iPad Air because this is compatible. Anyway, there's a new magic keyboard for the asset.
Jason Aten:Steven, this wasn't even supposed to be the most confusing part of this episode, but I I'm using well and I I asked and the new magic keyboard yes is backwards compatible and if you have an old one you can continue using that. So that is actually nice. You can buy a new ipad air and you don't have to buy a new magic keyboard if that's the thing that you want to use, which was obviously not the case for the ipad pro. It's like buy our most expensive thing and then buy all the most expensive accessories. You're gonna need a new one of everything.
Jason Aten:And it's like, you
Stephen Robles:have a special
Jason Aten:for your $999 mat or iPad Pro is $2,000, and you didn't even get to upgrade the storage. You're like, what is even happening?
Stephen Robles:Right. But speaking of storage, the other thing Apple introduced was the new base model iPad, and, honestly, I was more excited about this than the new iPad Air only because I don't know if my kids are listening to this, but I would consider upgrading them to this one because the base model iPad Air now comes with a 28 gigs storage standard. They have the same colors. You get the blue, red, yellow, whatever, but a 28 gigs as, like, the base model storage, that feels like a win, honestly, and the the price has stayed the same. We're gonna talk about tariffs after the break.
Stephen Robles:It's very exciting. Just kidding. Good,
Jason Aten:hard hitting podcasting right now.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. But even with all of that going on, Apple kept the price for the base model iPad the same, lowered the price of the MacBook Air we're gonna talk about, and the storage starts at $1.28 gigs. This feels like a win if you were in the market for a base model iPad Air or a base model ipad. So
Jason Aten:yeah. And it was interesting because when they, you know, they did them in the same press release. Right? And it was sort of like what actually happened here. And the reason it got confusing is they have now officially dropped the there's no tenth gen.
Jason Aten:This is not the eleventh gen iPad. This is just iPad parentheses a 16 close parentheses. Like that's just how they did. They denote these things now. Yeah.
Jason Aten:And the other notable thing is they dropped a hundred dollars from the tenth gen because when the tenth gen iPad launched, it was $449 remember how it had jumped up in price when when they did that new form factor and then they were still selling the ninth gen which was the older form factor with the home button and they have brought the price back down. And so this thing is actually kind of a steal, right? In in some ways people are like, well, it doesn't do apple intelligence. And I'm like, that's kind of actually a benefit.
Stephen Robles:It's not a bug. It's a
Jason Aten:feature. It's actually fine for this particular device. I was having a conversation with someone and, you know, you have to ask yourself like because this was just yesterday someone was asking me about like, well why wouldn't they put the a 17 pro into this device? And I think the answer is actually really simple because the ipad mini has the a 17 pro. Everything else about the iPad mini is just a smaller version of the iPad, which means you can't charge whatever $500 for it.
Jason Aten:If everything else is the same, only it's smaller. So they can't they their pricing tiers requires that the iPad mini be like, what are they gonna do? Sell the iPad mini for two ninety nine? Like, that's never going to happen.
Stephen Robles:No. Well, and also, the other iPad mini feature, which is the one reason why I would struggle to buy this base model iPad is the wireless charging Apple Pencil. Because if you get the base model iPad, you have to charge with the USB c cable. And, sure, maybe it's not a big deal, but it's just annoying. And, like, it would be really nice to have a wireless charging pencil especially because I have, like, a couple around, especially, like, with the older iPads that I can't use anymore because the new iPad Pro has the different magnets.
Stephen Robles:So it's, like, those two features is, like, the key to Apple wanting you to upgrade. Like, if you want the wireless charging pencil and Apple intelligence, maybe, maybe not, But the, what you said, which I already forgot.
Jason Aten:The ace well, I was just saying they they had to keep that price differentiation. They put the a 17 pro in the iPad mini, and it seems pretty obvious that next year we're gonna see an iPad. It's actually really interesting to hear Apple try to talk about these things because they don't call it the base iPad. Right? Like, they they that's not the name of this product.
Jason Aten:It's just iPad. And it's not even the iPad or iPad. It's just iPad. And so this I
Stephen Robles:kinda I wish there was some moniker after that because it gets really hard because you have iPad Pro, iPad Air, iPad, that not the same with the MacBooks there used to be a time when there was a MacBook with no moniker it was just MacBook but, like, with the iPad, it is is difficult. But anyway Yeah.
Jason Aten:Because it's both the category name and a product name, sort of like Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV app, Apple TV plus. Like, it's Apple never does that. I don't know. Right.
Stephen Robles:That's why, like, I saw, is it Sigmund, on social media. He posts all about Apple TV updates, like, the OS and stuff, and then I saw Matthew Castanelli, and he was like, there's new shortcuts actions for Apple TV, and I was so excited. I was like, oh, I can do more with my physical Apple TV? I was like, no. No.
Stephen Robles:No. These are shortcuts to change the Apple TV app settings on your iPhone. Oh, okay. Never mind. Lovely.
Stephen Robles:I mean that's cool too, but anyway, so those are the iPads. Then I think more exciting, which is probably why this was the second announcement, is new MacBook Air starting with an m4 chip and a new color and at a lower price. MacBook Air and Mac Studio.
Jason Aten:That wasn't actually the second announcement, but yeah. That's that's Wait, wait.
Stephen Robles:What was the second announcement?
Jason Aten:The Mac Studio came first.
Stephen Robles:Sure. Sure. Yeah. If you go to the newsroom here, I'll go to the newsroom.
Jason Aten:It doesn't matter.
Stephen Robles:I I know I was saving the Mac Studio for the for the last because it felt good, but, yeah, it was it was the iPads, then the m three ultra was the next announcement, and then five seconds later was the Mac Studio press release, and then the app and the MacBook Air. But anyway, but the MacBook Air.
Jason Aten:Yeah. We can talk about the MacBook Air.
Stephen Robles:This is exciting. I'm excited about the Mac.
Jason Aten:Listen. The first thing you need to know is that it was a really tough day for the copy editors because if you have to look if you have to write three product launches back to back like this, one of them is apple reveals, one of them is apple unveils, one of them is apple introduces. It's like this is a really rough day. Like how many different words can you use to talk about doing the same thing?
Stephen Robles:You know what I wonder in the in the m three ultra newsroom headline, it says Apple reveals m three ultra taking Apple silicon to a new extreme.
Jason Aten:Mhmm.
Stephen Robles:Is that copywriter trolling the entire Apple press community because we've talked about the m four extreme chip Of course. Or whatever? Of course. That's pretty slick. Well, extreme chip Of course.
Stephen Robles:Or whatever?
Jason Aten:Of course.
Stephen Robles:That's pretty slick. Whoever wrote that, if you're listening, I like it. I like what you did there. That's pretty good.
Jason Aten:Okay. So MacBook Air. Sorry.
Stephen Robles:No. MacBook Air, almost as long a headline as yours. Sorry. I had to blast you. I don't know.
Stephen Robles:I
Jason Aten:don't know what's wrong with long headlines.
Stephen Robles:No. It's great. I mean, you just wrap it. I mean, this is literally a one, two, three, four, five, six line headline, you know, with the, break. But anyway
Jason Aten:To be clear, my headline was five things you should know about Apple's new MacBook Air and Mac Studio. That's it. That's my whole And
Stephen Robles:then you get a subline. You get a little but hold on. Hold on a second. Let me see. Let me see.
Stephen Robles:What how one of the headlines got here? Okay. Three line, three line. Do you know do you like, when you write articles, do you purposely try to, like, keep it to three lines max, or do you have some kind
Jason Aten:I could not care how many lines it is, but I do keep track of how many characters and words it is.
Stephen Robles:And what's the max characters you you do? When you're like, nah. This is too much.
Jason Aten:Anything over a hundred, you start to lose the SEO, like, the Oh. And it starts to it starts to disappear in Google.
Stephen Robles:Okay. Well, I think Apple might have beat you with this.
Jason Aten:That's about 400. No. I'm just kidding.
Stephen Robles:Apple has used a new MacBook Air. It lowered the price. The previous MacBook Air m three was $10.99 and even amidst all the tariffs or whatever, it lowered in price $9.99, has the m four chip, is an upgraded camera, I believe, correct? Isn't the fuck with upgraded? And new sky blue color, notably no more space gray color for the MacBook Air.
Jason Aten:That's a bold decision. I would have thought that space gray was the most popular color of the
Stephen Robles:Probably, I mean the midnight is, you know, it's kinda like a grave in all the other lights, but anyway the MacBook Air I was very excited for this MacBook Air because I've been waffling about whether I want to try MacBook Air over my Pro and now being at $999 and base storage is well, you still got two fifty six base storage which is, you know, okay, but 16 gigs unified memory is the base and you quickly get to that five twelve SSD. If you wanted to spec this out, which I did, you can get you can get 32 gigs of memory, two terabyte SSD, and you're at $21.99, but that's that's kind of a nice computer right there.
Jason Aten:Yeah. So first of all, this is the killer. This is the this is the best computer anyone should think about buying. But here's the funny thing. You you can go from $9.99 to $21.99, and there's literally only two things you can change.
Stephen Robles:Memory and store.
Jason Aten:There's two choices. That's it. You only get two little clickies you can do, and suddenly you've added $1,200 to the price of this computer. Yeah. That's bananas.
Stephen Robles:It is bananas. The sky blue so I saw the press pictures that shared by, like, Andrew Edwards and stuff and obviously Apple's pictures here. This does look like one of those colors, like starlight and whatever, that you really gotta get it, like, in just the right angle to be able to see the blue part of the blue.
Jason Aten:It's gonna be a lot like this, which is the m two iPad Air.
Stephen Robles:That's a silver iPad.
Jason Aten:Nope. This is blue. This is blue.
Stephen Robles:I don't believe.
Jason Aten:The way you know it's blue is because this is the color that they sent me of the thing.
Stephen Robles:Because of the packaging?
Jason Aten:But yeah. I mean, if you look at it end on, you can see there's a little tiny, tiny, tiny drop
Stephen Robles:of blue
Jason Aten:in there. So anyway
Stephen Robles:Tiny hint of blue. Well, you should match you should, try and match it up and see
Jason Aten:I think I think I should get a blue one because the iPad mini that they sent me is also that same color. So I'm gonna rock sky blue everywhere.
Stephen Robles:Anyway, this is a great computer. 999, M 4, like, this is gonna do gangbusters as they say. I guess I also got one because Yeah.
Jason Aten:What's your would you configure it as 20 to $199?
Stephen Robles:That's great.
Jason Aten:Yeah. That's like, seriously though, like, so the m three MacBook air that I've been using was 24 gigs and two terabytes. And honestly, like, you never, like, need to upgrade that. Right? You know what I mean?
Jason Aten:You're gonna be able to use that for seven years and hand it to a child as they graduate from college and be like, here's a brand new Mac.
Stephen Robles:It's a brand new Macbook. So I a, so I have an m three pro MacBook Pro. I didn't upgrade to the m four version there. And I love the the Mac, that MacBook Pro. My biggest thing will be comparing the displays, which I know you're not gonna sit side by side with a MacBook Pro display and a MacBook Air display.
Stephen Robles:I also work off a Studio Display which is not not even, to the quality of the MacBook Pro, but if I'm good with the display, I mean the MacBook Air just looks so good, one of the reasons why I told myself I kept the MacBook Pro was the SD card slot which I thought about recently and I was like, actually, I don't think I've used that in years.
Jason Aten:And
Stephen Robles:now that I got the Osmo Pocket three, I actually transfer footage just with the USB C cable anyway, so I never have to deal with the SD card. So I'm like, maybe now is the time. And I got the 13 inch, I think based on your advice, because, like, if you're buying a small computer to be a small computer, buy the small computer.
Jason Aten:Right.
Stephen Robles:No. No.
Jason Aten:Don't buy the big version of the small computer of what you want as a small computer. Yeah.
Stephen Robles:Exactly. And so I'm very excited to try it. Yes. Of course, I got the the sky blue version. And, yeah.
Stephen Robles:It's exciting. Now you had an article too, which I'll include in the show notes. Five things you didn't know about them.
Jason Aten:I said five things you should know.
Stephen Robles:Oh, some of these you should know. Sorry.
Jason Aten:You probably do know them all. It's fine. But I just, like, was was looking at, like, what were the highlights for someone who's just quickly wanting to know Yeah. What the differences are. And there's not a ton of them between the two.
Jason Aten:It's This one I learned.
Stephen Robles:I let I mean, I think I might have seen it in passing, but your article reminded me of it that it, supports Yeah.
Jason Aten:Now you don't have to shut the display on the on your laptop to support two displays up to six k.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Two six k displays from the MacBook Air. I did really for some reason, I had thought because of previous laptops that I've had that there were USB c ports on both sides, which is not the case, and I was like, oh shoot. Okay. You know, because charging wise sometimes it's just convenient.
Stephen Robles:Charge for me to do. Sure. But Yeah. It'll be fine. It'll be fine.
Stephen Robles:Hopefully.
Jason Aten:Those braided MagSafe cables are they're flexible.
Stephen Robles:They can They're flexible. All I want Jason, I'll tell this, I'm hoping that the MacBook Air help provides this for me. I want an Apple device that can just sit there on standby for days and allow me to pick it up and use it without it being dead. And unfortunately, all of my portable Apple devices do not offer that anymore. My m4 iPad Pro I actually created a shortcut, believe it or not.
Stephen Robles:I actually made a shortcut. I know. It's shocking. It's, I used push cuts, and it notifies me when my iPad battery drops below 25%. It notifies me on my iPhone.
Stephen Robles:So I get a notification on my iPhone that my iPad battery is dying. And if I if the iPad is just sitting there, unplugged, I mean, it happens within a day. Like, I get the notification, and that's it. And I I don't know if you have the same memory I do. But back in my back in my day, when I it was, like, 2018 iPad era and slightly before, I feel like you could leave an iPad for a week or two.
Stephen Robles:If it was at 80%, the next time you pick it up, it would be at, like, 70%. Is that, like, a sense memory, or do you recall maybe it wasn't that good, but you could leave it there for days and days and still have battery free to pick it up and use it. Is that right?
Jason Aten:I think you're probably right. I was just thinking about the fact that you didn't do the shortcut for your Vision Pro because your notification center would just be constantly full of battery's dead, battery's dead, battery's dead. Yeah. That's You take it off and you unplug it and thirty seconds later, battery's dead.
Stephen Robles:Well, that's a you know, that's a good point because when you have a device that you just know is dead, then it's it's less of a stressor because it's like, I already I know my VisionPRO's dead. Like, I don't have to question it. But my iPad, it's like Schrodinger's battery. Like, is the battery is there battery? They're not battery.
Jason Aten:Also, the Vision Pro, there's a lot more intentionality to I'm going to use this thing because you have to strap it to your face. Whereas an iPad, by definition, you wanna just be able to reach over, grab it, flip open the cover, and start doing something on it. So I I understand.
Stephen Robles:And my m three MacBook Pro m three Pro MacBook Pro is actually the same way. Like, I'll have it fully charged. I'll use it. It's at 90%. I put it away, and if I pick it up two or three days later, I mean, it's it's gone.
Stephen Robles:I have to immediately charge it, and I feel like MacBooks years ago would last a little longer. So I'm the one like, honestly, I'm excited about the color and the thinness and lightness in using it, but I wanna know was the standby any better on this m four MacBook Air and we will see. No cellular though. We did not get set.
Jason Aten:Those that's the thing. We didn't get the c one and we didn't get nano texture. Super disappointed.
Stephen Robles:No nano texture. And the c one, not even like in the iPads, you know, it seemed like that would have been a nice, but maybe it's too soon. Maybe they wanna see
Jason Aten:how it goes. Yeah. And they so hard to know, like, the iPad air has to be the most popular iPad they sell to consumers as opposed to, like, to schools or whatever.
Stephen Robles:For sure.
Jason Aten:So I can understand. I mean, do they even offer cellular in the in the base iPad? The iPad a 16? I don't even know if they offer cellular in that model. But In
Stephen Robles:the base model iPad let me see. You can get one twenty eight gigs. You can get the yellow, blue, and red oh, pink. Excuse me. You can get cellular in the base model iPad.
Stephen Robles:It brings it it's a hundred $50 upcharge.
Jason Aten:So so you really have to want it. But you know what? They did they've been doing like, okay. So we give Apple a really hard time about their upgrade upgrade prices. Cause they are ridiculous.
Jason Aten:Like they're still ridiculous, but you can argue that they've somewhat mitigated against that by increasing the base memory on the devices, right. Where it's recorded, like the MacBook air now comes with 16. Right. And they doubled the base storage on that iPad to one twenty eight. It is now a viable device at that price, which I think is is notable and worth mentioning.
Jason Aten:So
Stephen Robles:Which and that's why, like, I bought my kids the base model iPad, like, three or four years ago and it was 64 gigs of storage. They've they've filled that up already, like that's over. So they don't even update their operating system because they don't have a Mac to attach to it and they try to like delete things to have enough so anyway, that the 128 gigabytes storage alone plus the camera in the right place seems like a good good year for an Apple CoolS. Yeah. My son has been trying well this is I'll tease my video idea for the 16 e.
Stephen Robles:My son has been using the 16 e review unit that I have and I'm gonna ask him, would you want the 16 e or would you want to stick with your iPhone 13? And I'm curious to see his answer because there are trade offs.
Jason Aten:Yeah. And there's a lot of people who seem to really think that this phone doesn't make sense and yes, for you, it doesn't like for those people, it does not make sense. If you're not, If you are commenting on YouTube videos about phones, this is not the phone for you. That's no, that's seriously.
Stephen Robles:That's, that's a good metric.
Jason Aten:It is. And it's like, why would you upgrade to this phone from, and it's like you would upgrade to this from the se or from an iPhone 11 pro, right? Like it's like, you just have to under like, no, no one is upgrading from the 15 to this or the 14 or the 14 pro. Like that is not why this device exists. Ensure you can buy a iPhone 15 still, but it's more expensive.
Stephen Robles:Well, you can get an iPhone 15 pro refurbished from Amazon for, like, $6.50.
Jason Aten:So it's still technically more expensive.
Stephen Robles:It's $50 more expensive. Yeah. But, you know, you gotta we gotta talk about Mac Studio, but before we do, with all these new Apple devices, we gotta make sure they're secure. And in order to in order to secure them, you should use 1Password extended access management. Thank you all.
Stephen Robles:Please hold the applause for that transition. I know I know I know you were probably just
Jason Aten:I didn't even know what was happening right now.
Stephen Robles:Exact no. I know. I was trying to keep you guessing. I was trying to keep everybody guessing. Listen, here's the deal.
Stephen Robles:If If you work at a place where there's a bunch of Apple devices, with all these new devices, you might have a a flood of MacBook Airs coming in, a flood of those base model iPads coming in. And what happens when employees get all those devices and they have all these restrictions on them and mobile device profiles and things like that? They can't get done what they want to get done, and so what do they do? They try to get around the system, like how Jason gets around the headline. No.
Stephen Robles:I don't I was trying to I was trying to I was trying to make a parallel that didn't that didn't but anyway, that's but when they do that, when employees do that, then that causes breaks in the system and it increases risk for things like a bad actors and malware. So here's what you do. 1Password extended access management is the answer. It's the first security solution that brings all the unmanaged devices and apps and identities under your control. It ensures that every user credential is strong and protected, every device is known and healthy, and every app is visible.
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Stephen Robles:That's how you do it, Jay. That's a way to do it. Now the moment that caused much consternation within me, Jason, because I had been sitting here with my M1 Max Mac Studio since it launched, eagerly awaiting the day when I might upgrade it to something with an Ultra in the name, specifically, because I'm like, I got an M1 Max when I got this because I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't know, you know. But now I do I do video for a living, and I'm like, I use I use some AI stuff, and I wanna I wanted to get wanna beef it up, get a more powerful Mac studio.
Stephen Robles:And so I was very, shocked. First of all, Gurman leaked this, what, twelve hours before before it launched?
Jason Aten:Which is we should talk about that, but k. Go ahead.
Stephen Robles:It's just funny because John Grouper has just been hammering him.
Jason Aten:Well, he's not hammering Gurman as much as someone leaked an NDA briefing to Gurman.
Stephen Robles:There's just
Jason Aten:a lot there's a lot of subtle stuff going on there. It's like someone Yes. Who signed an NDA would rather just
Stephen Robles:give it to
Jason Aten:me good with Mark Gurman. Yeah. It's interesting.
Stephen Robles:Which yeah. And I was John Gruber had two articles about it yesterday. He was like, Mark Gurman, your source for leaks twenty four hours before they're announced. I was like, that's that's cold. But also, he went he went all the way back to Mark Gurman's prediction about the new base model iPad and Gurman was pretty much wrong about that.
Stephen Robles:He was like it's gonna have the a 18, it's gonna have Apple intelligence, all this stuff, and he did not call it. So not flawless track record, but he did get these twenty four hours in advance. So congratulations. I don't know what you say for that. With that, we have a new update, well updated, Mac Studio.
Stephen Robles:Hardware is exactly the same save for Thunderbolt five. The new chips allow for Thunderbolt five connections so you get fast fast speeds there, but you still have all the ports. That was the most thing I was most excited about. You got all the same ports, and I use every one of those ports, Jason. Literally every single one, except for the headphone one, so I don't I don't
Jason Aten:What do
Stephen Robles:you use
Jason Aten:all the other? What are you using USB a for?
Stephen Robles:Well, let me tell you, Jason. I have I don't
Jason Aten:know, but that's fine. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.
Stephen Robles:I have my RODECaster Pro two in one thunderbolt port. I have my Blackmagic ATEM Mini Pro in a second thunderbolt port. I have my Studio Display in a third Thunderbolt port, and then I have a CalDigit, USB C Thunderbolt hub in the fourth one because then I have multiple SSDs and other, peripherals connected in that. I have it hardwired to Ethernet, one USB A port is for my mechanical keyboard, the second USB A port is for my Stream Deck, HDMI cable yes I have the studio display connected but I have the HDMI going to my Blackmagic ATEM Mini Pro so I can use the secondary display as an input then the headphone jack usually leaves empty but I can, you know, sometimes get the headset. I use every port, I use all the parts of the buffalo, you know what I mean?
Stephen Robles:Everything. So we have a new Mac studio, and so I was excited when this thing came out. I'm like, okay. Let me jump on it. Yeah.
Stephen Robles:I know it's gonna cost $1,000, which you can spec this up to 14,000 if you really wanna spec it out. We'll get to that. But in a confusing turn of events, we have your choice of either the m three Ultra or the m four Max. And I spend my time saying that so I said it correctly. But that's right.
Stephen Robles:We don't get an m four Ultra in this machine. You have to choose the Sophie's choice between an m three Ultra and an m four Max, and I'm not gonna pretend I know about all the chip stuff. I will be listening to Siracusa. I'm hoping for a multi hour tirade about what these chips even mean. I'm I'm excited to see that.
Stephen Robles:But apparently, I'll just mention this, Ars Technica, they got a statement directly from Apple and they Apple said apparently that Apple told us not I'm reading from the Ars Technica article I'll put in the show notes, not every chip generation will get an Ultra tier, which is ironic because every m chip has gotten an Ultra so far. We've had an m one ultra. We have an m two ultra. Now we have an m three ultra. So, Jason, what's happened?
Jason Aten:I mean, I don't know, but I'm on a simplify it for you.
Stephen Robles:Please.
Jason Aten:The numbers mean nothing. The only thing means anything is max and ultra at this point. Right? That's what you need to decide. Do you need the max computer that you can possibly get or do you actually need more than that?
Jason Aten:And then you get the ultra version of the computer that you actually write. So it doesn't make any difference. The, the, the, the important thing is that ultra means two maxes basically. And so even the m three, if you have two m three maxes, that's still better than one m four max, right? That that makes sense.
Stephen Robles:Right?
Jason Aten:It does. It just makes sense. And so I think the only people who really need that M three ultra are if you need that memory bandwidth if you want to be able to put five twelve gigs
Stephen Robles:of memory
Jason Aten:memory into it. I did see if somebody posted that this is the first Mac where you can spec the memory and the storage to be the same configuration.
Stephen Robles:I think that was Eric Wielander, which
Jason Aten:is hilarious. Just
Stephen Robles:It's perfect. Because I did see multiple times, like, five twelve gigs, and, like, your brain does that, like, double take of, like, wait a minute. Five twelve is that? That's too. Or does that mean?
Stephen Robles:Why would
Jason Aten:I ever do 512 oh, memory. Okay.
Stephen Robles:Which you can't configure it this way, but it would be hilarious if you could configure it with a five twelve SSD and five twelve memory. It's, like, what memory would swap where? Yeah. What would swap in what direction?
Jason Aten:Just store your hard drive stuff. You just I just wanna install Final Cut and the in the memory, please. The whole thing.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. So one of the things that Apple did say in the press release is, like, yeah, you can run LLMs completely in memory. Sure, I mean you have that much memory. So you can customize this multiple ways, it's it's a little confusing. If you went with the m four max chip, you have the choice of 14 core CPU, 32 core GPU, or 16 core and 40 core, And when you do that, you the memory options will gray out and enable depending on which chip you get.
Stephen Robles:And so you can get the m four max with up to a 28 gigabytes of memory. You can get that one with a five twelve gigabyte SSD, which is kind of hilarious, and then that, you know, you can upgrade all the way. If you got, let's say let's just say a two terabyte, one twenty eight gig memory m four Max Mac Studio, you're looking at a paltry $4,000. Or 4 ks. For a very powerful four you know what, that's kind of funny.
Stephen Robles:Four ks m4 max chip. But, if you go to the Ultra, which again, because you now have two max chips together, you can get all the memories, and your options there, if you go with a big m three ultra chip, you can go up to five twelve gigs of memory, and get up to a 16 terabyte SSD. I don't know if that's more than the last version, but it's a lot of a lot of SSD. And there you have and that was only that was only two, two two things, memory and storage, just like the MacBook Air.
Jason Aten:I'm gonna tell you that you had to, like, choose several options in that chip.
Stephen Robles:That chip.
Jason Aten:You changed all of the other options.
Stephen Robles:That that's right. The chip is a big difference. But that m three ultra, you can get a 28 or 32 core CPU and a 60 core or 80 core GPU. Uh-uh. Listen, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be real with everybody.
Stephen Robles:I I edit videos, but I'm not doing three d animation. I'm not doing cinema four d or whatever. I understand that this computer is not for me. I'm I'm not so arrogant to think that I needed an m three ultra maxed out for my workflow. I literally could do my workflow on my iPad probably as far as power.
Jason Aten:I mean you do half of your workflow
Stephen Robles:on your I do I do edit the audio version on my iPad. So like I totally I totally get it, but I would love to see what it's like to export a video on that maxed out Mac Studio and run some like AI transcription stuff on that Mac Studio because I'm just I mean, that has to make it go faster. Right? Because that stuff is, you know, especially if you have the LLMs on the thing. I don't know.
Stephen Robles:Wouldn't it that would expedite all that.
Jason Aten:Well, I mean, yes. But it's just math. Yeah. Exactly.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. So anyway, do do you have any thoughts about these? I mean, they're it's exciting. I don't I don't know what to buy. I don't know if I should buy.
Stephen Robles:I literally never want for speed on my m one Max Mac Studio, so I literally have no reason to upgrade. I probably won't.
Jason Aten:Yeah. I mean and I'm sitting here with an m four Pro Mac Mini, and I can't imagine a scenario where I where where anyone would need this. Like, the people who need this, again, are not the people leaving YouTube comments on our videos. It's like, but in the other direction. Right?
Jason Aten:It's like, it's like the 16 is not for you. And the three ultra is also not for you because I just don't. The thing is you, if you are going to spend, let's say $14,000 but even if you're spending $86 4,000 on a computer there, either you just have a lot of money, which is great, good for you. Or you have to be able to justify that investment with whatever it is that you're doing. And there just aren't that many things that you might be doing.
Jason Aten:You know, the and the thing that Apple touted the most was that you could run, like, I think they ran like the 400,000,000,000 parameter llama model on it or something like that. Like running LLMs on it. Great. But like, that's still not like chat g p t will do it in the cloud for you. Right?
Jason Aten:Like, you don't have to run the model on your computer. It's fine. There you can let the people spending the $500,000,000,000 to build server farms, whatever that is. Like, let them do that and just send your query up. Like, I I told I told you this, like, I got on a plane yesterday morning when this when this announcement dropped, I typed into chat g p t on my phone a query for deep research, shut my phone off into airplane mode.
Jason Aten:And when I opened my laptop up once Wi Fi was available, it had done all the work.
Stephen Robles:It did everything. None of
Jason Aten:my devices had to do anything. It's like fine. I don't need 80 GPU cores and five twelve gigs of unified memory. It's like although about the unified memory I wanted to say one thing. I love this.
Jason Aten:I love that Apple talks about it is having the most unified memory ever on a on a desktop computer, which fine. It's also one third of the RAM you used to be able to get on the Intel Mac Pro.
Stephen Robles:Because you get 1.5 terabytes. Right?
Jason Aten:Yes. But that was only Ram. It wasn't unified memories. It was not graphics memory, but I just think it is always interesting when they're like, how could we make this the best? We're going to call it this, you know, it's unified memory.
Jason Aten:So we, this is the most unified memory that's ever been available on a personal computer. Well, no one else is doing this, which is a good thing. Like, Apple is because that means that all 512 gigs are available to the GPU Right. When you want chat g p t to do your homework.
Stephen Robles:Listen. And here's the last thing I'll say because I was I was seriously considering, like, do I wanna get something right now? And so I read it I'm trying to read on their product pages and in the newsroom article the comparisons, and may I don't know if it's just me, but the comparisons just seem so, like, I don't know how to think about it. It will so it says, the m three ultra delivers two times faster performance than an m four max quote in in workloads that take advantage of high CPU and GPU core counts. Okay.
Stephen Robles:Then they say things like this, Mac Studio with m three Ultra is 2.6 times faster than the m one Ultra, 6.4 times faster than the 16 core Intel Xeon w based Mac Pro. Okay. I guess if you still have that or that's for Syracuse. That's that's Yeah. That's what that's for.
Stephen Robles:And then it does and there's a four bullet points that say Mac Studio with m three Ultra enables alright. What does it enable? 16.9 times faster token generation using an LLM with hundreds of billions of parameters. I don't think I do that.
Jason Aten:I think that was llama, but yes. Okay.
Stephen Robles:Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, llama. Yeah. 2.6 times faster scene rendering and maxon redshift.
Stephen Robles:Do you
Jason Aten:know what that is? Have you ever heard of that? Have you ever seen those words before or could that have just been made up?
Stephen Robles:I I have seen Maxon Redshift. I think it's a video application. I don't know what it does.
Jason Aten:Scene rendering performance is what it does, Steven.
Stephen Robles:Oh, that's right.
Jason Aten:That's what it says right there. But but my point is none of the 1.1 x faster base calling for DNA sequencing, and this computer is not for you, friend.
Stephen Robles:That's what I'm saying. That's what the next one was DNA sequencing in Oxford Nanopore Mino. I don't know what that is.
Jason Aten:Not real. Not true. I'm sure it is real.
Stephen Robles:And then up to 1.4 times faster, eight k video rendering. I don't have an eight k camera. So okay. That help that helps me. The m three Ultra, as much as I would love to get one, It's not for me.
Stephen Robles:It's not for me.
Jason Aten:I mean, it's sort of like saying this thing, if you buy a rocket, will power you to the moon. And you're like, well, I'm not going to the moon, and I don't have a rocket. So I don't think I need this
Stephen Robles:I just wanna go to Publix. Is this something that's a Publix fashion?
Jason Aten:Help me? Yeah. No. It will.
Stephen Robles:You'll get there way faster. I mean, I don't know.
Jason Aten:You could just anyway, but I don't so, like, I just think it's kind of, like, it doesn't matter. But my question for you is
Stephen Robles:Yes.
Jason Aten:Is the Mac Pro dead?
Stephen Robles:So this real this week, while early, feels like Apple was clearing the decks for Dub Dub. And Apple last Dub Dub wait a minute. Was it last Dub Dub? They didn't release any hardware at last Dub Dub. Correct?
Jason Aten:Correct.
Stephen Robles:The year before, it was the Apple Vision Pro and the m two Ultra 15 inch. Mac Studio.
Jason Aten:The 15 inch MacBook Air, I think. Wasn't that at the year before at Dub Dub?
Stephen Robles:Right. Yes. But I think the Apple Vision Pro year was also the m two Ultra Mac Pro and Mac Studio or something like that. Anyway, any So it seems like they're clearing the decks. What products do we have left that they would upgrade?
Stephen Robles:They just updated the iMac. They updated the MacBook Pros with the m four in the fall. We have the, iPad Pro, which was the first device to get an m five last or m four last year, so it could be the first device to get an m five, and that would be a yearly cycle if we see that before dub dub. That doesn't feel likely to me. I don't not that's just the feeling there.
Stephen Robles:So I don't think they're gonna do that. And then it's the Mac Pro and their displays. Like that's the other major hardware categories that they could update. WWDC is the time when Apple does the Mac Pro things. That was the 2019 Mac Pro that was I mean, it was less fanfare, but the Apple silicon Mac Pro, the m two is the first one there.
Stephen Robles:Is it dead? No. Is it going to get an m three ultra or an m four ultra? I think is the question. I I think I think we will see the Mac Pro refreshed.
Stephen Robles:I don't know if it's just gonna be a press release mid April or if it's going to be an announcement at dub dub, but I don't I don't know. I yeah. I don't I don't think it's dead, but I just don't I don't know where it's they're gonna put it. What do you think?
Jason Aten:The thing that makes me think it could be dead is that 16 terabytes of storage. Because literally the only thing you can do in Mac Pro with all that space is, like, stick fast storage.
Stephen Robles:Because you can't use g
Jason Aten:some of these things. Use IO. Like, there's some IO stuff.
Stephen Robles:But Video component.
Jason Aten:Thunderbolt five, I'm pretty sure it can handle all of that stuff. Right? You don't need I don't I don't think there's any of that I o that would tap out thunderbolt five.
Stephen Robles:I mean, there are cases like I've I've worked in places where I wanted a PCIe video card rather than a Thunderbolt cable between the video device and my computer. So I guess some people would prefer that. I'm sure Apple could very easily reason, like, no, no, no, thunderbolt enclosures all all day.
Jason Aten:But I mean, is is PCIe faster than thunderbolt five?
Stephen Robles:Not that it's faster, but it's less points of failure in some people's minds. Like, if you let's say you had, you had to ingest SDI video, like in a professional video situation, which is what I did. Well, to do it with a Mac Studio, even the brand new one, I would need some kind of capture device, like a Blackmagic SDI to Thunderbolt capture device, and then the the Thunderbolt will go to the Mac Studio. Now I'm introducing a device, which technically you could say is the same as a video card, and a Thunderbolt cable with two ends. And I know that seems like asinine, but it's points of failure.
Stephen Robles:Like, either end of that cable's points of failure. So if I can literally screw in a card into a piece of like, into my computer that has the SDI, you know, inputs right there on the back of the computer, that screwed in, I close the computer and never open it again. For certain use cases, that's just a more, desirable setup than using a Thunderbolt enclosure. There's probably no reason for it. Speed wise, there's no reason for it.
Stephen Robles:It's strictly just a redundancy, less points of failure thing.
Jason Aten:So because I was just thinking, like, you know, you're still connecting SDI cable to the back of that thing. And then the PCI and the use the thunderbolt connection points are very different, but they're serving the same purpose. And so my my my thought is, like, I think it's clear that the Mac pro as the top desktop computer that any human being would buy is gone, right? Like is the reason people would buy it is I want all those cores and I want to put GPU's in it and like no offense to John Siracusa, but, like, the reason he wants a Mac Pro is so he can put graphics cards in it and play Windows games.
Stephen Robles:Yeah.
Jason Aten:That's debt. Like, that's not a thing. It's not gonna happen. There's do you think there's I think the probability of Apple allowing third party GPUs in any of its devices ever again is less than zero.
Stephen Robles:That I agree with. And that, like you're saying, then obfuscates the need for a device that can you can install third party GPUs in.
Jason Aten:But but they they don't think so. Because you can get five twelve gigs of unified memory in 80 GPU course. And listen, I'm not arguing that that is for if you're running video games that are optimized with CUDA for NVIDIA graphics cards, like, no. It doesn't matter what Apple does to Apple Silicon, but Apple's like, we don't care. That ship is sale.
Jason Aten:Like, that's just go buy yourself a $1,200 ASUS gaming
Stephen Robles:Put all the stuff in your
Jason Aten:wallet. Yeah. Do what you want.
Stephen Robles:Build your own PC. Yeah. Well, let's see. I'm gonna let's take a different points there. You say it's dead.
Stephen Robles:Does that mean they're never gonna update it again? Like is that what you is that your prediction?
Jason Aten:I will say that I think it is more likely than not that they don't do anything with it. That it's just like, it's just why would you continue? I just don't understand. Like, why does the studio exist if you're gonna do the Mac pro?
Stephen Robles:I think at the very least, they'll press release it and say m three ultra. Now, I think they'll at least do that.
Jason Aten:Except, hear me out.
Stephen Robles:Yes.
Jason Aten:Every time they do that, they just make more people mad.
Stephen Robles:That is that is true. That is true. Okay. Well,
Jason Aten:So I'm just wondering like at some point it's just not worth it anymore.
Stephen Robles:And it is it is odd that the last time we got the m two ultra both computers were announced at the same time. The Mac Studio and the Mac Pro. And the Mac Pro was more expensive just because you had the slots even though the exact same configuration.
Jason Aten:There was a lot of aluminum involved in that Mac Pro.
Stephen Robles:A lot of aluminum.
Jason Aten:I I saw one of them in person at WWDC or whatever, and I'm like, wow. That's a beefy boy.
Stephen Robles:Well, Apple Store still
Jason Aten:have space.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Apple Store still have them on the tables. I mean, when I did the Miami World Store opening, like, World Center opening, the there were Mac Pros on the tables. But also, are we gonna see okay. Last question, then we'll move on.
Stephen Robles:Are we are we ever going to see the displays updated? Are we gonna see displays? Dub Dub maybe.
Jason Aten:Oh, I don't. So do you think I, I think they do like a max, they do a studio display. Yeah. And then a studio display air, and then maybe, no, I don't know. Like I just, I don't think they update that XDR.
Jason Aten:Like, what are they gonna do? They're not gonna make it they can't make it an OLED. That's the only other thing you and that would not be, I don't think, the right the right category of what they're trying to accomplish with that display. Like, just make the studio display better.
Stephen Robles:That's what I'm saying. I'm I'm hoping I don't know if this is gonna happen. I'm hoping for an updated studio display at Dub Dub. And last last thing, promise. So if they don't The
Jason Aten:other last thing.
Stephen Robles:If they don't announce any macro or displays at Dub Dub, could it be, Jason, that they are wanting to have a redux on their vision announcement at Dub Dub and announce the next version of Apple Vision something like Apple Vision Air? Might we see that?
Jason Aten:I mean, if they announced the apple vision air, they can't call it that.
Stephen Robles:What if it was an apple vision mini and it was a monocle? Okay. We're gonna move on.
Jason Aten:I don't know. I'm just I'm just trying to think of like, what is there for them to do? They they're giving an Apple intelligence. It has an m two in it. It's basically an iPad pro on your face.
Jason Aten:So, like, it's not gonna get, like, a m two pro or an m three. It's, like, you know, they once that maybe that's the other device, I guess, to get the m four at some point. But I think for sure it would have gotten the m four this year except for they realize that a nobody's buying them at this point. Right?
Stephen Robles:Yes. And maybe
Jason Aten:this isn't the final form factor. And so the question is, like, there's I mean, no one is tapping out their vision pro. Literally no one. I use it every day. Super not tapping the thing out.
Jason Aten:Like, I'm just I every day, I wonder, like, why is there no Dropbox app on this thing? Like, it's useless to me without Dropbox.
Stephen Robles:There's still no Netflix. Still no YouTube.
Jason Aten:I don't care about that because I can
Stephen Robles:do those with the browser. But still, like
Jason Aten:But Netflix in a browser on a device like that is like, imagine having to use Dropbox. I might have just said Netflix, but imagine having to use Dropbox in a browser on your iPad. Yeah. No. What would
Stephen Robles:you even do?
Jason Aten:Literally nothing. Like, look. There's all my files. I can't do anything with them.
Stephen Robles:I will say so when I I went for a briefing, for the 16 e, and it was at the Apple Store Mall at Millennia, which is, like, their big flagship Orlando store. Mall at Millennia is, like, the super fancy mall. And I did talk to one of the the staff there, and they said the Mall at Millennia Apple Store leads in Apple Vision Pro sales in Florida. Leads in Apple Vision Pro sales and I think it was like in the last month they sold like a dozen.
Jason Aten:So right up there with the humane AI pen.
Stephen Robles:I still got mine on my desk right over here.
Jason Aten:No. I'm just saying like that was the the rumor that I had heard. I have no idea if it's true. Was it they were sold, like, a dozen or two of Right. Right.
Jason Aten:Right.
Stephen Robles:So, you know, there's lots of people trying them. Lots of people trying them even in the mall millennial store, people doing the demos, but it's not sound.
Jason Aten:Maybe the Vision Pro demos are like the iPod. They're like the lost like, the get people in the switchers. Get people in the stores to try it out, and then you walk out with a Mac Studio for $14,000.
Stephen Robles:Or MacBook Air. They just slide a sky blue MacBook Air next to you on that seat while you're in the Apple Vision Pro. You take it off, you're like, oh, what's that? That looks nice.
Jason Aten:And also it's useful, and there's software for it.
Stephen Robles:And it's only $9.99. Would you like that? Yes. Yeah. That's alright.
Stephen Robles:Real quick, lightning round. I just wanna mention, I watched the I well, tried to watch the Oscars last weekend, because, you know, it's the Oscars. I'm always curious to see what's happening. And I literally signed up for YouTube live TV just for this, which is basically what you told me to do, and I was like, maybe I'll keep this. No.
Stephen Robles:$85 a month for YouTube live TV. I for someone who does not watch live TV except twice a year.
Jason Aten:Yeah. And if you don't care about sports Yeah. Exactly. It's just it's not worth it.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. And I was like even the the YouTube Live TV app, I'm sure if you use it all the time, it makes total sense to you, but I installed it for the first time after signing up. The the Oscars are going. It was like I was just trying to catch the best picture announcement. Like, it was at the end of the stream.
Stephen Robles:And so I opened the YouTube Live TV app. I sign in, and now the Oscars are playing in the background, but then I also have, like the screen is covered with other live channel options. It was like, here's NBC live and here's this live. And it's like, I just wanna watch the Oscars that are, like, in the back. I just wanna see what's happening.
Stephen Robles:You just
Jason Aten:get out of the way. How do
Stephen Robles:I get stuff and so I hit the menu button on the Apple TV. It goes back to the menu menu. And so I'm looking at all my apps. I'm like, that's not I don't want that. And so I try to go back in and I I just sat there with stuff overlaid on top of the stream and then eventually it went away.
Stephen Robles:Like, ten to fifteen seconds later, I was like, that's a little, can we not do that anyway?
Jason Aten:That's not how it's supposed to work. The crazy thing is I a % know what you mean. I never have the ex experience because I just motor memory know how to, like, get it. Right. But I couldn't explain it to you how.
Stephen Robles:Well, oh, no. That's that's what I finally figured out was I knew the Oscars were airing on ABC, and so I looked down in the channel listing to ABC, but it said American Idol on in the channel thing, and it's like, I don't know. I like, I don't wanna watch American Idol. But, eventually, I just went and clicked on American Idol, and then it loaded the Oscar stream because it was on it was the ABC. And then I was like, okay.
Stephen Robles:YouTube live to me. I'm not paying $85 for mislabeled channels. Oh, sorry.
Jason Aten:Well, it probably just means that we had gone long, which if you were watching on Hulu was a problem
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:Because they just cut it off. They literally and the reason was they just someone typed in, this will be over at 10:32, cut off stream. It's like, that's not how live TV works. And also, have you ever watched the Oscars? Yeah.
Jason Aten:Literally, no one I mean, they play so much music to get those people off stage and no one cares. These are people who are not used to be told being told no when they're in front of an audience. Right? Like, they're just gonna keep doing their thing. And it said they said, yeah.
Jason Aten:We're sorry about the, bad experience.
Stephen Robles:Sorry about that. Oh, our bad.
Jason Aten:I wrote an apology for him in there. I I actually put in this what they should have said. Scroll all the way to the bottom. Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Aten:I, I wrote them. There you go. This is what they should have said.
Stephen Robles:We apologize for
Jason Aten:the opportunity to watch the
Stephen Robles:Academy Awards presentation. We failed to live up to experience you expect for this is a good apology. You know what, Jason? You should be a writer.
Jason Aten:I should.
Stephen Robles:You should be a writer.
Jason Aten:They should hire me to write apologies for companies that screw up.
Stephen Robles:It's like the, what George Clooney did in up in the air, but just writing apologies for companies rather than
Jason Aten:That yeah. You know what? They could fly me all over just to apologize to people. I'd be fine with it. You know?
Jason Aten:Because the thing about apologizing when you didn't do anything wrong is it cost you zero. It cost you zero.
Stephen Robles:That is that an industry? Listen. If you're if anyone Yeah.
Jason Aten:It's called PR.
Stephen Robles:Literally, that's the industry. That's the industry. Oh, professional apologizers. PR. That's what it is.
Stephen Robles:That's that's hilarious. The tariff tariffs are happening. That's that's all I got for you because I haven't done a ton of research on the tariffs, but I did see this article from The Verge. And Target and Best Buy are saying that prices are about to go up because of the tariffs, things that, you know, Target relies on produce from Mexico, so those might go up. Best Buy sources its products from Mexico and China.
Stephen Robles:Those prices might go up. I find this just interesting in light of all the Apple stuff that was announced that prices either stayed the same or lowered. And I don't know. I'm curious what they're doing behind the scenes to mitigate any kind of tariff whatever or if there's something, you know, deals, behind the scenes. I don't know.
Stephen Robles:But, you might see prices go up on something. Also, eggs are $1,000.
Jason Aten:But that has nothing to do with tariffs because we don't import them from China. But that's there's other reasons, but eggs are very expensive. Every time I pull up the thing of eggs, my wife, like, sends me a bill. Like, actually, Waffle House apparently added like a 25¢ surcharge or something like that for every egg, which is, I mean, they go through a lot of eggs, so I kind of kind of understand. Yeah.
Jason Aten:The thing about the tariffs, I don't want to be political about it. I don't understand why, because this is like the sort of thing where it's like, I want to punish you, Steven. So I'm going to shoot myself in the foot. Right? Like this is kind of what's happening here because, and I've heard that like part of the thing is like, well, you know because here's the thing our three largest trading partners Mexico Canada China and that is where all the tariffs are being put and I feel like your iPhones are gonna start to get more expensive.
Jason Aten:You know apple has a lot of margin but they can't absorb it forever if that's the case And and and the things that it seems like maybe would help to mitigate against the tariffs or things like, well, this will get them to build factories where they build cars more in The US because a lot of cars are made in Mexico. The thing is it takes a long time to, like, replace factories. Right? Apple despite the fact that Tim Cook has many times done grand openings for factories that were already open in order to like win over people who want that to happen. It takes a really long time to do that.
Jason Aten:And also if they build factories for the iPhone in The US, your iPhone is still gonna get more expensive because Americans aren't going to work for $3 a day or Yeah.
Stephen Robles:Anyway, so my parents
Jason Aten:are coming and things are gonna get more expensive.
Stephen Robles:Unless you wanna buy a base model iPad or MacBook air. Actually, you
Jason Aten:should just buy them all now because, actually, there's a decent chance those might get more expensive too.
Stephen Robles:That's true. Yeah. That's true.
Jason Aten:It is amazing that they lowered the price on I'm gonna write about that. They lowered the price on both of those things Yeah. As tariffs were about to happen.
Stephen Robles:That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
Jason Aten:They're making up for it all in the 16 e.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. I did there were articles that were written the iPhone 16 e is like the first tariff iPhone, which we'll see what happens with the 17 lineup in the fall. I think that'll be telling, how how that goes. But real quick, I wanted to do a memoriam quickly for Skype. After its 20 after its twenty one year run, Microsoft is finally shutting it shutting it down.
Stephen Robles:And I actually have fond memories of Skype because many, many, many of my first years in podcasting was recording with Skype because that's just how you did it. There weren't other tools to do it, and I would run Ecamm Live Call Recorder. Do you ever use that? Ecamm
Jason Aten:Only when I recorded with you, like, one time.
Stephen Robles:We did. Yeah. We did. I was with the Apple Insider Podcast. I was using Skype and Ecamm Call Recorder, and it was listen for the at the time that it was a great tool and I actually used this in the travel industry when I worked there speaking with international people and, listen it was a it was the thing for a long time and I have fond memories of it.
Stephen Robles:Totally makes sense. There's really no use for it now. I mean, Microsoft Teams is there. Riverside, hello, is, is for recording podcasts and other video content online. So but, yeah, it's gonna be going away.
Jason Aten:You know, sometimes when I see a story like this, cause I wrote about this, and sometimes when I see a thing like this happen, I like to imagine that at some point in 02/2011, it was someone's job to knock on Steve Ballmer's door, who was the CEO of Microsoft at the time and said, I have an idea. We should spend $8,500,000,000 on Skype. Now I know that eBay bought them for 2,600,000,000.0 and had to write off 1,400,000,000.0 of that purchase because they couldn't figure out how to make it into a business, but we should pay three times that, and we should bring this thing in. And that's exactly what they did. They bought it, after eBay.
Jason Aten:So eBay bought it. EBay had to write down a bunch of it, sold a bunch of it off to private investors and then managed to sell it to Microsoft for a like, this is their Microsoft's largest acquisition at the time. Now they've gone on to have LinkedIn was a lot bigger and Activision Blizzard was, like, way a lot bigger. But at the time, this was their biggest acquisition. And I just think, like, this is just like, it's been a it's been a trip.
Jason Aten:It's like how and I don't understand, like, why didn't you just make the video function in Teams called Skype? Like, just
Stephen Robles:Sure.
Jason Aten:Take that brand because they had a great brand.
Stephen Robles:The brand. It was
Jason Aten:a way it was a way better brand than it was ever a product.
Stephen Robles:That is very that is very fair. There was also like a strange, like, sometimes you might have to pay a few cents if you wanted to, like Yeah. Call a phone number rather than a username. It was strange. But, I I didn't see you wrote an article, so I'm gonna put your article in the show notes if you wanna read about Skype, and, that'll be there.
Stephen Robles:Also, lastly, The UK we covered with
Jason Aten:How many types of that's gonna be the nickname for our podcast. Lastly. Also, lastly.
Stephen Robles:Also, lastly. That's pretty good actually. Before we get to our personal tech and bonus episode, we've been talking about the battle between The UK asking Apple to build a backdoor to advance data protection and iCloud encryption and The US's response to that last week. Well, now Apple is pushing back. Apparently, Apple has filed an appeal with the investigatory powers tribunal.
Stephen Robles:I don't know. I didn't know that was a thing. That sounds like a Marvel, like, thing. Like, I think you know what I mean? Like, is like that is the watcher in that plus mister fantastic?
Stephen Robles:I don't know. But apparently, they deal with complaints about the unlawful intrusion of UK intelligence services and authorities. This was originally recorded by the Financial Times, but so Apple's fighting back. And I I just wanna know investigatory powers tribunal. Is that superheroes or not?
Stephen Robles:That's all I wanna know. That's Mhmm. I don't
Jason Aten:That is the people who investigate the this it does actually sound like something from, like, X Men. Right? I
Stephen Robles:know. That's what I'm saying.
Jason Aten:This is definitely what they were trying to do to shut down the, you know, the mutant university or whatever child.
Stephen Robles:That's right.
Jason Aten:Yeah. Your school. Yeah. No. Well, this is part of the law was that the company can appeal to this.
Jason Aten:They can't not comply while they're appealing. So that's weird. That's probably why they pulled advanced data protection at the time to sort of buy themselves some time. Good. I'm glad Apple's appealing to this.
Jason Aten:I'm sure they're gonna lose, but because The UK doesn't care, they're gonna just do this thing and I don't know what's gonna happen.
Stephen Robles:And also in the verge article, the UK government is still not confirming or denying the existence of the order, which is something.
Jason Aten:Which the interesting thing about that so, like, play that out. Apple should just be like, oh, sweet. It doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. If you're not gonna confirm that it exists, you can't, like, prosecute us for it because I think you have to confirm it in order to do that.
Stephen Robles:That would, by nature, require.
Jason Aten:Sweet. We'll just it's Schrodinger's letter.
Stephen Robles:Schrodinger's encryption. Schrodinger's but whatever. Anyway, alright. I wanna talk about the Sigma camera with you in the bonus episode because everyone's talking about it, and you're a photographer, and I wanna get your your take on it. For our personal tech segment, let's talk about browsers.
Stephen Robles:So exciting.
Jason Aten:So Just think about how many browser tabs you're going to be able to have open if you put 512 gigs of unified memory in a Mac Studio.
Stephen Robles:That's a lot of browser tabs. That's a lot of browser tabs. I use Safari by default as my browser. I use Brave to record in Riverside because Safari doesn't have the APIs for that kind of stuff. But I use Safari by default.
Stephen Robles:I like Safari. I like tab groups, which I use for this podcast specifically. I'll even show you behind the scenes if you're watching, youtube.com/@primarytechshow. Let's get to 2,000 subscribers over there. Go ahead and do that.
Stephen Robles:But you'll see here in the left hand column, I use Safari profiles. So I have a primary tech Safari profile because I can have different bookmarks, different default tabs open when I open a window in that profile, and then tab groups. You get different tab groups per profile. And so look, I have every episode of primary technology in a tab group, which then allows me to copy all the links to the articles in this tab group and then I run a shortcut and those are show notes every week.
Jason Aten:Somehow I knew that this conversation about Safari was gonna end up talking about shortcuts. I just I knew that was gonna be the case.
Stephen Robles:Cannot not. Cannot not. Listen, shortcuts helps me do all these things. I You
Jason Aten:have a whole YouTube channel that you can talk about it. I want to say shortcuts safe
Stephen Robles:I'm just here
Jason Aten:we go.
Stephen Robles:I've I just wanted to mention, that's one some of the many reasons I like Safari. I like the UI. Most of the time, it's very fast. Right before we recorded this episode today, I was trying to load all the websites that we were gonna talk about, and I was on the last two. And for some reason, I kept pasting the link, hitting it return, it did not load the page, would not load the page, closed the tab, new tab, nothing.
Stephen Robles:Quit Safari, open Safari, try to load the page, nothing. Safari was just gone. And we you and I were literally talking here in Riverside, so, like, okay. I know I have Internet. It's like the Internet's not down.
Stephen Robles:And you shared with me a troubling realization, something that I had suspected for a long time, but that iCloud private relay is the culprit of many, issues in Safari.
Jason Aten:It has been I've stopped using Safari. Like, I have just I mean, I will occasionally open it. I use Brave as my default mostly because I have there are several things I have to do just like Riverside that Chrome you just have to be using your Chromium browser, and I'll Yeah. Never use Chrome. So I'm using Brave because it's like the Chrome for people who care about their dignity.
Jason Aten:And so I just use Brave instead. It's fine.
Stephen Robles:I it always surprised me. I don't know. Listen. If you were playing a drinking game for for how many times we say the word Syracusa, I'm sorry because you're dumb. You've already got We're
Jason Aten:just trying to we're just trying to get him to notice us, apparently.
Stephen Robles:No. No. He he sees me on Mastodon. I'm not worried about it. But I know he he uses Chrome, which is surprising because
Jason Aten:Yeah. I I
Stephen Robles:don't know. And I understand in a lot of workplaces and people's jobs, you probably have to use Chrome by default. It is I mean, all the other browsers are built on Chromium, but they were just, you know, news from several years ago about, like, the passwords that get saved into Chrome and those being whatever, used in weird ways. And so I I don't prefer using Chrome either. I I use Brave, and I'll use a Chromium browser all day, but but not Chrome itself.
Stephen Robles:But I really did per prefer Safari, even for the weirdness sometimes where, like, Squarespace will just not work very well in Safari because it's Safari or other weird things, like, not, like you know, it's very aggressive on blocking pop ups and stuff. So if there's ever a website that has a pop up, like, allow permissions for a website to access your video, like, for WebEx. Right. You know, Safari can be kind of, annoying with that kind of stuff, but I still liked it, and as for all the other reasons. I have the extensions I like, Noir, Overpicture, like, I have all the stuff.
Stephen Robles:But if you can't load a website in a browser, that's a little problematic. And, you advised me, and that's what I've done now is just to totally turn off iCloud Private Relay, but, I mean, will it work now?
Jason Aten:It's okay. So I had this issue. Let me say one more thing about Brave because there's so many people who are listening to this. They're gonna be like, but isn't Brave the weird browser with all that crypto stuff? Yes.
Jason Aten:Just turn you gotta turn if you download and install Brave, there's, like, six things you have to turn off. Just turn them all off, and then it's it's awesome. You gotta just get rid that stuff. Yeah. And then it's fine.
Jason Aten:But it is like I had had this experience starting a couple of weeks ago where at some point during the day, stuff would just randomly stop loading in, in safari. And I couldn't figure out what the problem was. I'd restart Safari, nothing would work. I would restart my computer and at some point maybe it would start working again. I'm like, but this doesn't feel like the kind of thing I want to do every fifteen minutes.
Jason Aten:Right? Apple Silicon boots real fast, but I just don't have time for this, especially cause I have like, another browser on my computer. I'll just use that instead. Right. And at some point, it occurred to me, well, Brave is working.
Jason Aten:What is unique about Safari? And the only thing I could think of was iCloud Private Relay. And then I would go into the settings app when this was happening, and it was, you could, it was like grayed out. You could not toggle it on or off. And I'm like, Oh, bingo, something's wrong.
Jason Aten:And so I started doing searching. None of the status pages for iCloud would say that there's any problem with private relay down detector. Wasn't saying anything. There was no Reddit current thread about it. And I realized, oh, because nobody knows.
Jason Aten:Like, nobody would think that this is the thing. Also, probably they're not using Safari, but nobody knows what is going on. And so what I did was I rebooted my computer. I was then given the option to toggle off or on Safari iCloud private relay, and I turned it off, and I've not had a problem since then.
Stephen Robles:And that is even when earlier before we recorded, I restarted my Mac. I went to settings, system settings, iCloud settings, private relay, and it showed as toggled off, but it was because it was in just a minute.
Jason Aten:It was not working. And so what and what happens is if you have it toggled on and it is not available, it eliminates all your browser activity.
Stephen Robles:But and and it it showed as toggled off even after I restarted my computer, but that was not correct. So I toggled it and then toggled it again, and then I got the pop up that said, do you really wanna turn off Cloud Private iCloud Pro Relay? I said, absolutely. I would like to turn this off.
Jason Aten:Yes, please. I'd like to use the Internet. Thank you. I'd like
Stephen Robles:to use the Internet. And I I also have experienced this sometimes on my iPhone even with iCloud Private Relay where Safari will just like not be doing anything, and so it's a problem. I should the right thing to do probably to file a feedback, but this is my method of feedback. I make a podcast. Yep.
Stephen Robles:Hope Apple hears it, but
Jason Aten:if you have issues about it. I'm filing my version of a feedback. You're gonna
Stephen Robles:write an article about it.
Jason Aten:Word articles.
Stephen Robles:So, if you experience issues with Safari not loading stuff, it's probably because iCloud private relay and try disabling it. You might have to restart your computer first or your device and then, it's been working. So, yeah, I'm gonna turn it off for now and, we'll see what happens but I still like Safari. I don't know. We'll see.
Stephen Robles:Oh, and we'll say, and if you wanna use another browser like Brave and you've gone all in on Apple passwords, you can still get the extension for Brave on a Mac for Apple passwords, and it just sits right there in the toolbar as an extension. You can authenticate. It's the funniest experience because you click the little extension and it asks for the six digit passcode and immediately shows you the six digit passcode, like, almost in it, like, right on the same screen and it's like you can't see that?
Jason Aten:It's like Well, it's because your Mac is authenticated.
Stephen Robles:I know.
Jason Aten:I know. Mac is giving you that six digit code for your browser. Yeah. Exactly. Right.
Stephen Robles:But But
Jason Aten:people are very confused about that.
Stephen Robles:It it is a little confusing, but that's why. It's because your browser Brave is asking for the six digit code and your Mac is providing it, and it looks like it's happening in the same window and it's just kind of a weird thing. But once you do that, then you can use Apple passwords, pass keys, everything in Brave. That's what I do. I don't have Brave or any other browser save my logins and passwords.
Stephen Robles:I only do it without passwords. And you can have that extension now on your Mac, so just do that if you're having issues, but weird. I call it private relay. So, anyway, the next tab in my browser that's loaded is about the BF camera from Sigma. Everybody's talking about it.
Stephen Robles:It's like the Mac Studio. I want it and have no use for it personally. But you're talking about it and I think you probably have thoughts on it. I would like to
Jason Aten:hear that. I have thoughts.
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