Apple’s Privacy Battle with UK, TV+ App on Android, OpenAI’s GPT-5 and Beyond
Download MP3A good agent doesn't need gadgets. The only gadgets I've ever needed are a sharp eye, sensitive hearing, and a whole bunch of bigger brains. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. Big news this week. The UK is trying to make Apple take away advanced data protection and iCloud encryption there and maybe worldwide.
Stephen Robles:We're gonna get in deep on that. Plus, OpenAI is going to be changing up their models, trying to simplify. Apple TV app is now on Android, and Apple released a new health study. Plus Powerbeats Pro two are out, and people think they're better than AirPods Pro two. This episode is brought to you by HelloFresh and you, the members who support us directly.
Stephen Robles:I'm one of your host, Steven Robles, and trudging through the snow is my friend, Jason Aten, just to be on this show. How's it going, Jason?
Jason Aten:I know. Well, see, it you'd think it doesn't take much for me since we both work from home, but this is, like, the week of the year when having a shed in the backyard as your studio is a problem because we I've shoveled three times since yesterday because we got a lot of snow. Yes.
Stephen Robles:This this is the evidence if you're watching on YouTube that this is Jason's snowy boots. Yeah. Well, oh, that's wild. I've never had to do that here in Florida. I've did it I've done it in New York.
Stephen Robles:I know what it's like.
Jason Aten:Steven, you don't have to put boots on to go to your studio. You don't you barely have to put pants on to go to your studio.
Stephen Robles:I'm not wearing I'm wearing shorts right now. I'll be honest. To which, you can't do that in Michigan right now either. No. Too cold.
Stephen Robles:The movie quote today is apropos to the big topic we're gonna be talking about, The UK and Apple's data. Do you know what movie that might be from?
Jason Aten:I actually don't know. I I feel like I've heard that quote before, and even with that additional hint, I don't know.
Stephen Robles:Jason sandbagging because someone accused him of using Chatchip ET to figure out the movie quotes. Hold on.
Jason Aten:Let's see how long would it take me to to search that in Google. You said something about a good
Stephen Robles:The only gadgets I've ever needed are a sharp eye, sensitive hearing, and a whole bunch of bigger brains.
Jason Aten:Okay. So I just typed in movie quote, a good agent doesn't need gadgets, and it says Johnny English.
Stephen Robles:Exactly right. Well, I
Jason Aten:mean, I hope Google could get it. Come on. It's like the number one search is, like, IMDB. But anyway, I I I've never seen that movie. So
Stephen Robles:Okay. Well, there you go. For for the first time, Jason did not get it. But,
Jason Aten:no. Pick movies I haven't seen. They're all probably infinity movies I haven't seen. Sure. Sure.
Jason Aten:Tend to pick ones that I have seen.
Stephen Robles:That's true. But Johnny English, it's apropos because The UK is, doing some unsavory things, but we're we're gonna get to that. That's gonna that's gonna be our deep dive. We have some amazing five star reviews. Although, I feel like I saw yesterday, we're now a 4.9 star podcast.
Stephen Robles:We lost our five, and I don't see a lower rating. I think someone just clicked a star. If you made the mistake, like, I think my mom did once, where you think you have to click each star to fill it in to give us five stars, don't do that. Because then it's gonna give us a single star.
Jason Aten:Yeah. Super don't do that. That is an interest we should unpack that sometime. Not now, but who thinks you have to type in push punch every star? It's like a building building thing.
Stephen Robles:I don't know. But, we need to get back to a five star podcast now. We're at 277 ratings and reviews. So So if you could do that, we would appreciate it. But we have some five star shout outs.
Stephen Robles:Jeffrey with a g. Jeffrey, like Joffrey, like, who's the actor? Jeff, Jeffrey Goldblum? Never mind.
Jason Aten:Jeffrey Goldblum? I don't know.
Stephen Robles:He's Jeffrey with a g set is his new favorite show, which we appreciate, but battery percentage on, non dominant back pocket is where he puts his phone. So okay. Jason wins on that one. Travis eight six five from The USA, battery percentage on. Jason wins again.
Stephen Robles:Luca Aesthetics from The UK, DSR Jarman from The UK, and he left a list of wonderful nice things to say, but also battery percentage off. He said don't need the extra stress. Thank you. And nothing on my desktop if I can help it. No drives, folders, files, and we're gonna talk about what's on our desktop and our personal tech segment in a little bit.
Stephen Robles:And then Dave in PGH from The USA, and he complimented our audio quality. Thank you very much. Thank you for those five star reviews.
Jason Aten:Not our content. Just the audio quality.
Stephen Robles:He just he just falls asleep.
Jason Aten:I hate everything you say, but I love listening to it.
Stephen Robles:No. No. He said he likes to show it to you. And one old tech shout out because we've been showing off old tech, and we'll keep doing it if you send it. This is from our community.
Stephen Robles:You can go to social.primarytech.fm and join. But Rodney, he sent a picture of his Newton, a message pad one twenty. That's some old tech.
Jason Aten:That is impressive. I don't have I don't know for sure. Did he didn't say that he uses it every day, but No. I still think it's very cool to have like, was really two different questions we ask people. What's the oldest tech that you still use on a regular basis?
Jason Aten:And then what is literally just the oldest Apple product that you have?
Stephen Robles:That's it. So that that's that's pretty good. If anybody can beat that Newton, let us know. That's that's pretty good. That's a pretty good one.
Jason Aten:Yeah. Alright.
Stephen Robles:We got a bunch of things. I wanna hopefully do an early lightning round, go through this stuff fast, which never works, but we're gonna try it anyways. You had some thoughts because the big game was last weekend, which I will say I streamed on Tubi. I created a free Tubi account the day, like, an hour before the game started. I download the app on my Apple TV, and I have to say, worked great.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Upscale four k, not a problem. Laid great on my Apple TV. Is that how did did you watch it through, YouTube TV
Jason Aten:or TV? Yeah. That's how we get TV is through YouTube TV. Right. I wasn't about to try to download some janky Fox app to watch the free game.
Jason Aten:I'm just kidding. Sorry, TV. Tube TV
Stephen Robles:was good. I mean, TV did a great job of, like, they knew everyone was only downloading this for the Super Bowl. So as soon as you open the app anywhere, it was like Super Bowl, and you just click it. And so it worked out. But you had a big problem about the, about Fox's broadcast, namely the score bug.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. You you said it made everyone mad, and and I'm curious, why you think that because Jason Snow liked it. He liked how this thing
Jason Aten:You're right. You found the two people who liked it. Jason and
Stephen Robles:John Gruber.
Jason Aten:And and I think Ben Thompson also liked it. And I said it was ugly. They said it was functional, which both of those things can be true. My biggest beef with it was the fact that it it when the, well, first of all, if you just look at it, the Kansas City is not centered. The KC is not even centered in that red box.
Jason Aten:And then when they would add an extension to the side, which I actually think was a good idea, it was a different color and it didn't line up. It just was like, what is happening? And I think I included a screenshot of a quote from someone who's like, Fox paid, Tom Brady three hundred seventy five million and they only had $25 left to spend on the score book design. And that is what it felt like. Right?
Jason Aten:I know that Jason Snell and John Gruber and some people, they did like it in comparison to some of the past, but I think that it was I I think they could have done better. Let me just say that there was something in in even in the people who liked it, they're like, yes. But then that these the play clock was in a weird spot. It should have just like, so I just think it felt like, we we could we could do something different, so let's just do something different for the sake of doing something different, and I'm never a fan of that.
Stephen Robles:Well, I I get it. If if you listen to the show for any length of time, you know, I'm I'm not big into sports ball, so I can't speak to it. It was very legible for me. I could always tell what the score was, and that left number was zero for a long time.
Jason Aten:I know. You know? And, actually, I think it was Ben Thompson on dithering made a good point, which was well, it was either him or John Grouper. I can't remember which, but I thought it was Ben. That what they managed to accomplish, and I have to give them credit for this, is that they cut came up with a design that looked good on both a very large TV and on your iPhone.
Stephen Robles:That's interesting. That's a good point. Because again
Jason Aten:Actually, you could it was very legible in both of those scenarios. And so in that case, alright, I gotta give you credit for that.
Stephen Robles:That's true. And you know so you know what else you could see? Clear as day on any size screen was Tom Brady's watch, because I was saying when he came up on screen, I I said it's real men of honor vibes because it was, like, this very big gold thing, and I'm not a watch person. I don't know about it. Apparently, it was a $740,000 Jacob and Co watch.
Stephen Robles:Yep. Did you call that? Because I tweeted about it and you you.
Jason Aten:Yeah. I mean, I've actually seen that their style before. I I do like watches. I don't have anything. I still have a hundred and $40,000.
Stephen Robles:You have a collection.
Jason Aten:Watches. I do
Stephen Robles:not. Okay.
Jason Aten:My children joke, though. I, one time I showed him an interview and it was with, our friend, Tony Fidel. He's not actually our friend, but he's, you know, the guy who invented the iPad, the guy who invented the iPad or iPod,
Stephen Robles:excuse me.
Jason Aten:And had a lot to do with the iPhone as well, but he is a watch collector. And I think it was when he sold nest, which is what he did after apple to Google. He went and bought a Patek, like grand complication, which is like a $1,200,000 watch or whatever. And I was showing it to my kids one day. So now the joke at our house is that that's permanently on all of my Christmas and birthday lists is a protect.
Stephen Robles:In in just in in perturbably. And Yeah. That's not the word I was looking for.
Jason Aten:My children are imperturb. Yes.
Stephen Robles:It was the way Still not a word. But What is the word I was looking for? In in
Jason Aten:In perpetuity?
Stephen Robles:In perpetuity. I think that was the word I was going for. Yeah. That's and one of their sports ball news because this and again, you'll have to tell me if there's a cool Apple Vision Pro, the NBA app on Apple Vision Pro, I think it's, like, you need a league pass to be able to stream the games. They just launched what they call this new tabletop view and so basically if you use the app in Apple Vision Pro, you can watch the game stream like just the video kind of in front of you and now there's like a basketball court as like a tabletop, like a coffee table in front of you, and you actually see the players running around the court, like, in you're watching a lot this is a live game, and you're watching them go around the court, you have the scoreboard, plus then you can have the the TV feed above that.
Stephen Robles:A lot of people saying like this is super cool. Again, I I'm gonna actually ask my father-in-law to don the Vision Pro and tell me what he thinks because he's huge into the NBA and he liked the couple immersive videos that he watched, in Apple Vision Pro. So I'm curious what he would think of this, but it seems like a cool idea, and people are saying it's it's fun.
Jason Aten:Wasn't there a Vision Pro, f one app that was similar to this? I feel like or maybe it was like a Porsche app where, like, the maybe the people in the pit can see like the three d. So, I mean, this is novel. I don't like the one piece that feels like it's missing again, unless you're in a hotel by yourself or traveling or something like that is most people. I know you're not familiar with this because you don't watch.
Jason Aten:I mean, do you even know, you know, that that team is the bulls. Right?
Stephen Robles:Are you kidding?
Jason Aten:I'm just making sure. I wanna make sure we're establishing it. On the court. I understand. I just wanted to establish the baseline here for us.
Stephen Robles:Yes. Yes.
Jason Aten:But most people like to watch sports with other people. Right? And so the Vision Pro is not generally the way you do that because then they laugh at you. So
Stephen Robles:Well, that's yeah. And my my my father-in-law watches basketball by himself though, so he might that might be that might be a pill There
Jason Aten:you go.
Stephen Robles:So, anyway, I think it's cool. If anybody out there, both had this Venn diagram is probably very small, but has vision pro, also loves NBA and has the league pass, let me know if you if you've tried it. I think I might try it just just because. But now moving from the Super Bowl, but still tangentially connected, OpenAI had their first major ad during the Super Bowl. I saw it.
Stephen Robles:It was this kind of dot matrix history of humanity going all the way up to AI. Cost them $14,000,000, but I thought it was a pretty cool ad and also amazing. I saw a lot of people commenting on this that OpenAI has somehow branded a black dot on a white background. Like, for some like, somehow they've made it recognizable that that is OpenAI. I don't know how they've done it, but that is a pretty amazing, ability to just say like like black dots, that's us.
Stephen Robles:And then, you know, the ad goes through and actually has a bunch of imagery and video all made up of these dots. And it was actually really cool. And it was it was pretty effective, and and you wrote an article about it as well. But do you like it? The ad?
Jason Aten:I thought it was good. And so when it I mean, I knew OpenAI was doing an ad, and so as soon as it came up, yeah, the with the black dot, I was like, oh, this is an OpenAI
Stephen Robles:AI ad.
Jason Aten:Funny thing was then there's a point in the ad where there's a, where there's, it starts to show the voice, like talking to it and it has a little glyph. And the funny thing is that's it was basically the Cisco logo when it when it first comes up. Yeah. Right there. It's basically like the Cisco logo.
Jason Aten:And so I thought, Oh, well maybe this is a Cisco ad. And then I'm like, no, it's definitely Chad gbt. But then I talked to two other people who were like, I really thought that was about to be a Cisco ad because of the, like that, that image that came up. I think there's two things that are notable about this ad. One, it is notable that OpenAI says that they actually used humans to make it.
Jason Aten:So that's great. Good job. Like Good. I'm really thankful that the people that make chat g p t and Sora did not use them to create the ad. So that's good.
Jason Aten:They actually they said they used it for some of, like, the conceptualization and that kind of thing, but they actually had humans create it. And then the second thing is, and the reason I wrote it is it seems as though chat GPT or open AI has done a thing that Google can't, which is talk about AI in a way that doesn't seem weird. Now I should clarify Google's ad this year at the Super Bowl was actually really good.
Stephen Robles:I don't know if
Jason Aten:you caught it. It was like a dad kind of thing. I thought that was really good. But if
Stephen Robles:you remember that ad and a pixel ad? Was there a Google and a pixel ad? Well, it
Jason Aten:was like a Google Assistant ad where he was Right. Where he's help using it to help him prepare for a job.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. I thought it was a good ad.
Jason Aten:Talk about talk about the best job you ever had or something like that, and it was, like, reminiscing about being a dad. I thought that was great. But if you remember the Paris Olympics ad where Google had an ad where it was a father using Google Gemini to help write a letter to his daughter's favorite athlete. And it was it was just widely panned because it's like, no, the whole point of you writing a letter to someone is like, it should be done by a human and open AI sort of skipped out on the here are some practical things you could do with a with AI and sort of pinned it to the progression of human innovation. Right?
Jason Aten:That ad that you showed starts with, you know, humans use throwing a spear. Right? And then there's fire and then there's crops and then there's farming and then there's, like, the Internet and then there's, like, personal computers. And it's like, it's basically saying AI is the next logical progression of this. And I actually think that and from a big picture perspective, that it did a really good job of sort of of of doing that.
Jason Aten:And and so I I thought it was a good ad. I think I mean, we now know why OpenAI is raising all that money. We thought it was to build cloud computing. It's actually just to run Super Bowl ads.
Stephen Robles:Super Bowl ads. No. But it it was a good ad. I I mean, I think it was probably better than the Google one, but I did like this Google ad for the Pixel and Gemini, and I think they did better, like, playing to the emotion. It almost felt more like an Apple ad.
Jason Aten:Well, it actually felt more like an old school Google ad. So I referenced, if you remember, the Parisian love, which was the 02/2012, I think, Super Bowl maybe, which was literally just a series of shots of someone doing a search, and it starts with study abroad in Paris. And then how do you say you're really pretty looking for cafes looking for this? And then it ends with, like, how do you assemble a baby?
Stephen Robles:Yeah. That was good. That was good.
Jason Aten:Fantastic ad. And it was literally just a bunch of blue links. It was like so creative and such good storytelling and, and Google has done a really good job of that. And then they sort of like really lost their way. This ad was much better.
Jason Aten:But I think in terms of, I still don't think that in that example, who's gonna use their Google Pixel phone to help them prepare for a job interview? That still just doesn't feel like the kind of thing someone's actually gonna do.
Stephen Robles:I mean, maybe I mean, I guess you can ask it for, like, sample interview questions and what would be good responses or how do you phrase I mean, I can see it maybe.
Jason Aten:Yeah. But do are we at a point where the assistant can then listen to your answer and give you feedback? I don't feel like we're there yet.
Stephen Robles:I'll be curious. I haven't tried that. I'll be curious if well, I don't know about Gemini, but see how ChatGPT voice does, but I don't know. That's interesting. Yeah.
Stephen Robles:Maybe ChatGPT five will, which Sam Altman is out here saying that his plans for ChatGPT 4.55, but I would say thankfully they're actually going to look at streamlining their models because there's a lot of models out there between the three o's and the o one's and the four's and all that. So they're gonna streamline supposedly no specific timeline on the next release of ChatGPT. They said weeks to months, which could be December for all we know. But yeah. So that's more coming.
Stephen Robles:Chat g p t five is coming, and also Elon Musk offered to buy OpenAI for the nonprofit arm, and, they said no.
Jason Aten:So Well yeah. Okay. Can I say two two things about this? So the first one, I just wanna suggest there it would be easy to miss this. Five is probably gonna get a lot of the the headline buzz, but open AI also released something called deep research recently.
Jason Aten:And I wanna say it's ridiculous how amazing it is now. Google also has a thing called deep research. Not confusing at all. Right? Like there's everyone's an
Stephen Robles:internal thing, right?
Jason Aten:No. You can use it. If you have Gemini advanced, you can use the Gemini 1.5 with deep research and you can in this. And so Chad GPTs is a little bit better on the analysis side, but you could literally say research the history of smartphones and explain why the iPhone has an advantage and how it became the dominant thing. And it'll spend fifteen minutes.
Jason Aten:It'll show you all the websites it's reading. It'll go through all this and then it'll prepare a report for you and it'll do all of this. It is actually pretty, pretty amazing. I would recommend people if they're, if they're interesting. Ben Thompson did this where he actually told it to, write a report on Apple's most recent earnings.
Jason Aten:And then he literally just posted what it came up with. He actually did it twice and then he talked about it and stuff. When I say he just posted it, I mean, he posted it in the context of an article explaining that that's what he did. I don't know. He just like published it.
Jason Aten:So, the, I feel, I feel like that is the thing we should be paying attention to because that is where, like, and I've used Gemini a couple of times now to do certain things and it's very good. It's, it's like having a research assistant. It is, it is the check GPT five. I don't really know what we should be expecting to be different about that from what we currently have. But this deep research thing is what's, that's where we start looking like we're closer to AGI because it's, it's able to actually do things on your behalf.
Jason Aten:It like goes out and it'll show, it's like reading 73 websites and it's like going through all of them and then it's forming opinions and it's organizing them and it's, it's pretty cool. So I just didn't want to pass that part of it by the other thing about the naming. It's like it's the calling card of AI that we have to name them really weird, stupid thing. Cause I guarantee if you talk to the average person and you're like, are you, you know, there's chat GBT five and then there's 0 1 and then there's Oh one minutei and there's also 0 3. And the reason there's no o two is because in the in Europe, there's a phone carrier called o two, and they didn't wanna get sued by them.
Jason Aten:So they named it something. I mean, this is all for real. Like, it's just bananas. It's like and then even Google has Gemini, and they have Gemini one point five, and then they have 1.5 flash, and then they have two, and they have two pro. And it's
Stephen Robles:like, how
Jason Aten:am I supposed to even know what the difference of this? And there are differences. It's like the more simple the task you have, you should use like the smaller models because there will be much faster and then you don't need that. It's, it's just really hard for people to parse out what's actually happening.
Stephen Robles:Well, one of the things Sam Allman said, and it's in that Verge article, is that ideally down the road that when you make a request of ChatGPT, it should be smart enough to figure out which model to use. So if you're asking it something simple that it would use a faster model, and then if you're asking a deeper question it would use, you know, which makes sense like this, these, these models, the LLMs should be able to parse how deep is this question and and what is the depth of information that the the user is requesting. But anyway, now deep research isn't that part of the ChatGPT Pro subscription?
Jason Aten:Yes. So it is currently only available to pro users. I am Not a pro user. I'm not paying $200 a month. However, I think the I think you could make an argument.
Jason Aten:The deep research might be worth it because if you are in a situation where you are gonna hire a research assistant or someone to compile stuff for you, you're not going to get that for $200 a month. Right? Like there's just no way and and it's gonna do it. And you, the other thing that's nice about it is you're not paying for for its time, right? If it would take somebody three hours to do this, like, this is just $200 a month, and now you are limited to a hundred queries.
Jason Aten:And again, Ben Thompson was saying he's anxious. He's gonna run out. He's like, he's like, I just wanna make it do all this kind of stuff. So I did wanna say I did wanna say one thing about the Elon thing too. Sorry.
Jason Aten:Because I do think this this is what's interesting about that. I don't know if you had more to go on, but yes, Elon Musk has offered what $97,500,000,000 to acquire the nonprofit. And most people are like, he's just trying to take over open ai. And I think the important thing to know here is I think Elon Musk would very like, very much like to own open AI. He tried to own it.
Jason Aten:He tried to be, he was one of the founders. He asked them to just let him be in charge and run the whole thing. They're like, no. And so he left and he's hated the whole situation ever since then. He has a much smaller competitor grok or X.
Jason Aten:A. I. Or whatever. What he's really doing is just screwing with them because they're trying to become a public company and the and the and the nonprofit, which currently owns the for profit subsidiary, their estimation is that they are that there's so they will get a stake. Right?
Jason Aten:The the nonprofit open AI will get a stake in whatever public company there is. And they're estimating that it'll be about 25% of the for profit subsidiary. So that will spin out on its own, become a company. The nonprofit will still own a quarter of it. And at the valuation that OpenAI is talking about going public, that valuation is somewhere between like 60 and $70,000,000,000 So Elon Musk just came in and offered $97,000,000,000 for the nonprofit.
Jason Aten:So what he's really doing is just screwing with this process of them becoming public because he doesn't want to, because he just made the valuation much more complicated for, for potential investors because he you're only gonna be able to raise so much money. And if a quarter of it is $97,000,000,000 and goes to the nonprofit, what that just means is that the rest of it becomes a lot more of it less valuable for everybody else. Right? So he doesn't care about buying this company necessarily. Again, I think he would like to, I think he'd love to own it.
Jason Aten:And he, he seems to have the backing of people who potentially would actually put up real money. I mean, the one thing Elon Musk does is create chaos and somehow increase shareholder value. Like it, those two things don't usually go together, but they historically have for Elon Musk. And so but I just think it's important. I don't think Elon Musk is really trying to buy it.
Jason Aten:He's really just trying to make it more complicated for them to go public.
Stephen Robles:Interesting. Okay. Do you still think the over under the going public this year, 2025?
Jason Aten:Yeah. I think they have to. They keep because they can't keep raising money like this.
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:Because all of those investors, like, think about Microsoft. They they wanna return
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:And what they've put into it. These these you know? And right now, if all the profits are going in theory into the nonprofit, they can't have there's no return for them. They either need to sell their shares or they need to have the, like, you know, profit sharing. They need to have, like, a dividend or whatever.
Jason Aten:And so, yeah.
Stephen Robles:Our one last piece of AI news before we get to apple and, apple TV coming to Android, which I think is a bigger topic than than just a new app, but Scarlett Johansson is calling for a deepfake ban because there was an AI generated video. This is so complicated. I I don't even wanna describe it, because anyway, I'll just say the deepfake video is kind of crazy because it features, famous people like, Scarlett Johansson, Jerry Seinfeld. The deepfake is very convincing. Steven Spielberg is in this and Mark Zuckerberg, like, it's very real
Jason Aten:Mark Zuckerberg is not convincing because he doesn't have a chain on but the rest of them yes.
Stephen Robles:The rest of them are like friends and so like if you watch the whole video it does like oh this feels a little weird and honestly the AI video stuff is becoming more problematic. I was, sitting with my wife and she saw a video on social media and she was like, look at this. And I was like, that's an AI video. And it was just some weird thing about like a dog kind of like rescuing a child from falling. Like it wasn't a huge, you know, there wasn't famous people, there wasn't actually like adults in it, but like she was watching it and she knew something was weird about it.
Stephen Robles:And when I saw it, I was like immediately, I was like, that's an AI video. Like, I could just see. Right. But I am seeing more and more just AI generated stuff on Instagram, on Facebook sometimes, and this is another, you know, just another point. Like, Scarlett Johansson's like, can we outlaw deepfakes, please?
Stephen Robles:Which I don't know how you can do that. I mean, this is like content that'll just be out there, but they are becoming more and more convincing. And this deepfake had some pretty offensive imagery and I could understand why she would not want it out there, but it is. And I think as time goes on it's going to be confusing more and more people and there's gonna be an increasing number of people that believe that that this was real and they're gonna tell their friends, oh, Scarlett Johansson, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
Jason Aten:I agree. I think the alternative is that if we outlaw motion smoothing on regular videos, then we'll always be able to identify the AI videos because that does seem to be the tell is that they all feel just a little bit too cinematic and, like, perfectly motioned. They're all, like, a 20 frames per second, it feels like. And so if we could just make it so that no one else ever does that, then we'll at least be able to identify the fake one.
Stephen Robles:That is a great idea. I think, outlawing motion smoothing, % behind that.
Jason Aten:Just a good idea, period.
Stephen Robles:Good idea, period. That's gonna be my platform. I'm gonna run I agree. For president in 2028, and I'm gonna is that what next time? Yeah.
Stephen Robles:Vote vote
Jason Aten:for Robles.
Stephen Robles:Yep. Vote Robles Aten. You wanna you're gonna be on mute? I'm going to VP. You're gonna be on mute.
Jason Aten:I hear the VP doesn't I hear the VP doesn't have to do anything, so I'm happy.
Stephen Robles:You're really I'm
Jason Aten:keeping it. Podcasting.
Stephen Robles:Okay. Great. Alright. I want to talk about Apple TV coming to Android. So the Apple TV app is now officially on Android and you can watch Apple TV plus original content through that app.
Stephen Robles:It's unfortunate because there was actually an Apple TV app previously on Android but it was like the the what you would use on Google TVs or Android TVs and it has like 1.7 stars and so there's like this it's unfortunate because now everyone's like going to the Google Play Store and they're like oh does this app stink? Because the ratings are like the previous app was bad. This is new. This is the new Apple TV app and that means you can subscribe to Apple TV plus, watch the content on Android that also includes things like Android tablets and Dan Seifert had a good tweet, saying that the app is actually good on Android meaning it supports foldables, It'll have, like, picture in picture support. Like, they actually did a good job of making a a solid app on Android, which is which is great.
Stephen Robles:And so I went through and found all the apps available, all the Apple apps that are on Android right now. And basically, you have Apple Music and Apple Music classical, both of those are Apple apps that are available on Android now. Now you have Apple TV plus, and you also have what was the other one? I forgot. They have the Beats app, they have like the the AirTag tracker, what was the other one?
Stephen Robles:Come on. Android apps by Apple on Google Play. Here it is. I will put this in the show notes. This is like the link to Google's Play Store.
Stephen Robles:Apple Music called Beats. Or move to iOS it was the it was a small thing. It was the app to help you migrate Not
Jason Aten:a small thing to Tim Cook that's the
Stephen Robles:biggest thing. But this was the, these are all the apps. So what I wanted to talk about was I find this it's interesting what they choose. I understand why they want this on Android because a, it might spur new subscriptions. I mean, with shows like Severance and, Slow Horses, Shrinking, popular shows, they were missing an entire audience who might not be able to have it.
Stephen Robles:Although the Apple TV plus is on a lot of smart TVs and stuff, being on Android devices natively is a big deal. So I totally get why that's there. Apple Music, I kinda get to. My point is I would love to see more Apple apps on Android, specifically Apple Podcasts, and there was a couple people on social media that also commented. Number one, James Cridland, he's the writer of Pod News.
Stephen Robles:PodNews.net is a great website for podcast information, like, one of the biggest, sources for that. He actually has a page on his website called how to install Apple Podcasts on Android, which is just the Apple Podcasts website which launched last year and adding it to the home screen on your Android phone, and you can basically listen to Apple Podcasts that way, but it's missing major features like downloads, variable speeds, and things like that. And James Cridland said, and his website gets a lot of hits, that per interest, the number of hits that that page on his website gets, how to install Apple Podcasts on Android, would be indicative that Apple Podcasts on Android would be a massive winner for Apple, and so I think it's an interesting point of information, but even in addition to, Apple Podcasts, which I'll get to, Neil Hughes, friend of the show, he was with me on the Apple Insider show years ago, Apple Books for Android, I think that would actually make sense because you buy a book to be on Android, now you can use the, Books Palma or whatever other Android e reader you want to use and you could do that there.
Stephen Robles:And then MacFan twenty four ten on X said Apple Cash on Android. I actually think that would be a great idea too. Sending Apple Cash between Apple devices is super easy and it'd be great if that would work cross platform %. So I think it's interesting in Apple Podcasts, the reason why I think that would be beneficial is one, Google Podcasts no longer exists, and so if you want a stock podcast app on Android, it's YouTube Music, which not everybody is crazy about, and I would say it's not really a good dedicated podcast listening app. It's kind of like Spotify shoehorning podcasting on an app.
Stephen Robles:It's kind of how YouTube music does it. Then the alternative is Pocketcast, which is an incredible app, probably one of the best apps for it, but it's not free, for all the features and so you do end up having to pay a subscription. So if Apple Podcasts was on Android, it would be one of the best and free apps for podcast listening. I think podcast discovery in Apple Podcasts is still great, but it could also be revenue for Apple because there is that revenue share with subscriptions. And like our subscription for supporting this show to get it ad free and get our bonus episodes, it would be great if someone on an Android device can just do the same thing.
Stephen Robles:And the more they add Apple TV, Apple Music, it means more Android users have an Apple ID and an Apple account already, have a credit card attached to that account, and if they're gonna do Apple Music and Apple TV plus, I imagine an Apple One subscription bundle could be available in the future too. And, you know, people were saying even, like, sure, iCloud Drive or whatever, if someone wanted to pay for that as just a cloud storage service instead of OneDrive. So I'm I'm I would favor of more Apple apps coming to Android, and I think it's good Mhmm.
Jason Aten:With Steven. Well, two things. One, I was just disappointed that in the official press release, they don't list silo as a hit.
Stephen Robles:That is an or for all mankind. I was very I was upset by that.
Jason Aten:I was very and I think maybe the reason is they're not currently showing new episodes of silo. So it would
Stephen Robles:be frustrating.
Jason Aten:Well, that's a fair point.
Stephen Robles:Or masters of the air.
Jason Aten:I don't know what that is.
Stephen Robles:Or Luke. I believe you. Okay. Or Hijack.
Jason Aten:Alright. Well, my point was I'm like, my favorite show on Apple TV plus right now. I know. Even on that list. But, anyway, all of those shrinking is very good.
Jason Aten:But, anyway, the other thing is if you look at your list, there's something interesting about that list compared like let me just put it this way apple cash never coming to android because apple does not want to be able to think about all of the different devices that you would have to be able to negotiate that fee, like figure that out because it's using like, like such a, I don't even know how those types of things work, but like, you're not gonna be able to use apple pay with apple cash on an Android device. And you're not gonna use tap to pay on some weird Android third party device that Apple doesn't have control of the entire stack.
Stephen Robles:But if there was just an Apple Cash app, like a standalone app, not that it would work in the text messages side, but just like Square Cash on an Android device or Venmo that you could, you know, use that service to send the money and it goes through that just to have the Apple Cash app and then you can Yeah.
Jason Aten:I don't think that's ever gonna happen. And then the same thing is true if you, like, think about podcasts. Well, if podcast is available on on android, they can't sell subscriptions because they're not gonna pay Google. They're not gonna pay Google thirty percent. Are you kidding me?
Stephen Robles:So you think so for this, like for apple tv plus if someone signs up and pays for it, they have to pay Google thirty percent.
Jason Aten:I think they do. But that's a one time. Right? That's like that's oh actually, but here's the thing, I have a theory about this. I don't think, I think the reason that this has come to android has more to do with the fact that I think there are way more households that are multi device multi multi platform where you have like, I actually boggles my mind when I'll talk to a couple and one of them has an iPhone and one of them has a pixel or something.
Jason Aten:I'm like, how did you two get together?
Stephen Robles:David Pierce David Pierce at the house.
Jason Aten:How did you even text each other when you were dating? Like, I don't even understand.
Stephen Robles:How did you even yeah. How did you organize anything?
Jason Aten:Don't understand how this happened, but there are lots of people like, I know some people very well who that that's the case, and I'm just like anyway. And so you're less likely to sign up for Apple TV plus if not everyone has a device that can use that kind of thing. And so I think that there's this is just sort of like a logical and I think Apple's willing to pay the 30% on this side sort of thing is like a loss leader to continue to build up Apple TV plus. Right. Should build up that ecosystem.
Jason Aten:I don't think podcasts is, is going to be worth it for them because they only make money off of the podcast app when people do in app subscriptions and they have to pay 30% every time they'd have to do that kind of thing. And the same thing is true for some of like the books at the same kind of thing. Are they gonna pay for that? Like I just think if you look at the apps that they do offer with, you know, apple music, yes, they'll pay it on the one time subscription, but you can't go and download like individual tracks where they're paying 30% every single time. I just think it gets really fuzzy and really weird.
Jason Aten:And I think that, I think that that like, of course they're gonna have a switch to iPhone app because if you're switching from Android to iPhone and in fairness, you can switch from iPhone back to Android to the same kind of thing. Like, they're making those types of things. So I just think that's probably part of it.
Stephen Robles:Well, I'm still gonna hold out hope. I think I think, you know, Google podcast wasn't a great app, but I think a
Jason Aten:But there's Spotify. That was the other podcast app. I'm sorry. The most obvious it's the biggest podcast app any at this point.
Stephen Robles:Yes. It is.
Jason Aten:It's disappointing, but it's true.
Stephen Robles:Listen. If you're on Android, a and you listen to the show, thank you. But be used pocket cast. Like it's just a way it's it's the best podcast app on android right now. But
Jason Aten:and I do think that I want to give credit to the pod news That article, the SEO of that headline is like, like master class, like fantastic. You nailed it.
Stephen Robles:James Cridland. He's he's been in the game a while. Well, I will just we'll just say that He's a good dude. I've I've spoke to him at, I was on a panel with him actually at a podcast movement last year. But anyway, a couple other quick things and then we gotta get to the the big news of The UK and Apple privacy, but Apple finally, earlier this week, now has opened up and allowed users to migrate Apple account purchases.
Stephen Robles:Basically, if you have like an old Apple ID, you can now merge whatever you bought from over there, your apps, music, movies, and combine it with a primary Apple account. Now you do need to have access to both of the accounts, you need to be able to access the email addresses for both accounts and all of that, but you can now migrate and combine those two. I've only ever had one account and this is why I tell people when they create an Apple ID or if they get an Apple device for the first time, just use the stock Apple iCloud email and just use that as your main account so you never have to worry about combining whatever. But I will say this would have been really useful for my wife because she had an old Hotmail email address where she had purchases and like playlists and Apple Music and all that kind of stuff and for some reason like you can't get into the Hotmail anymore. We knew the password and for whatever reason just stopped working.
Stephen Robles:And so she has a new Apple ID she's been using for years now but it would have been nice to be able to migrate all that stuff the new Apple ID but you still need access to that old email address I believe to like confirm this stuff. It wouldn't work for anyways but anyway there's a lot of people very excited about this if you do this please reach out and let us know how it goes. Sebastian DeWitt said that he's been wanting this for years, he's gonna do it, but was scared, which I totally understand. I would be scared too, but, just let us know. If you do this, let us know how that process goes.
Stephen Robles:Would you have an old one that you would do this with?
Jason Aten:No. I don't have an old one, but I do think it's interesting that it's not available in the EU, The UK. And I feel like of the people that I'm aware of that this would be the most beneficial for, it's people who live in the EU but have a US Apple ID so that they can do things that come to The US like podcasters. Like I think about Federico Vatici. Right.
Jason Aten:Who's been talking about his saga of going back and forth and being able to merge the two would be amazing, but it's like, nope. Sorry. You can't
Stephen Robles:do this. So there's that. And last thing, Apple wise, and then we get to well, more Apple actually have to different things. I have released a new holistic Apple health study. Apple's doing, like, all these tiny little things and not releasing the iPhone SE four or the iOS 18 dot four beta.
Stephen Robles:I don't know why.
Jason Aten:I know why. They're just trying to make it, like, so that we can cast some doubt on Mark Gurman's
Stephen Robles:They are trolling Mark Gurman.
Jason Aten:They're literally trolling Mark Gurman.
Stephen Robles:Because Mark Gurman's like, this week, iPhone s e four. And I was like, no.
Jason Aten:Sitting there waiting there. Like, Tim Cook has his finger on a button, and he's just waiting, and he'll be like, now.
Stephen Robles:Tim Tim Cook, he's, he's gonna look it over at Craig Federico. He's like, hey. What else can we put out there that's not the iPhone SE? Like, oh, we got this Apple research app. I totally forgot about it.
Jason Aten:Oh, we got the new TV plus app on Android. We got this research we could do. I think we have some new watch bands. Let's just put it all out.
Stephen Robles:I I love and fully believe that this is just trolling Mark Gurman. Absolutely. But yeah. So there's this new holistic health study. What's interesting is that anyone can participate in this.
Stephen Robles:So this is a collaboration between Brigham and Women's Hospital and they're gonna be doing this long term research study through health, but it's actually through Apple's research app and I apparently had never downloaded this before. I mean there was never a reason to I guess, but you can actually download the Apple Research app for free. It will connect to all your Apple health data and you can participate in these long in this long term study. They're measuring a bunch of different things. You can take surveys, ask about, you know, ask about your health and all that, but it's pretty amazing because Apple is one of the few I mean I would assume Google could do this as well I don't know how it would work across all the Android devices and different app you know, Pixel watches or Android watches but Apple as a single source of health data with the pairing of Apple Watch and all the models and then the iPhone and just as pervasive nature, I mean, you could gather a lot of data.
Stephen Robles:And so I'm this is I'm curious what, you know, it'll be years from now before we see what comes from this but I'm sure it's gonna be pretty, amazing to see what what does it look like to aggregate that much health data from so many people and see what kind of results you can pull from that so it'd be yeah interesting. There it is. Research app. Yeah.
Jason Aten:We're just waiting for them. Do they ever add shoveling as a fitness plus workout?
Stephen Robles:Basic Apple guy. He makes the he makes the fun Apple Watch workouts like wrapping crow holiday gifts. So Basic Apple guy would need a I was I think he had a shoveling one actually.
Jason Aten:I just want I'm looking on here and honestly, I don't understand. High intensity interval training is right there. Never mind.
Stephen Robles:I don't know shoveling snow. Maybe maybe maybe it is. It's not on there, but I really
Jason Aten:wish it was.
Stephen Robles:Show snow is heavy. I did I've I've shoveled snow.
Jason Aten:Oh, yeah.
Stephen Robles:Show snow shovel, show snuffles down by the seashore. I've done I've done a lot.
Jason Aten:It's actually a dangerous thing. Like, I'm not kidding you. I when I go out to shovel, I make sure that my wife knows I'm going outside. I went out this morning and everyone was still asleep, and I was like, I'm going out to shovel, so you'll know where to look for me if I don't come back.
Stephen Robles:Listen. It's slippery. I've seen a lot of fail videos where people just they take that one step. Do you have steps out of your house? Like like Yes.
Stephen Robles:Do they ever get slippery? Like, I see.
Jason Aten:Live underground. We're not in a
Stephen Robles:side. No. No. But, you know, it could be flat, but, like, are there steps to go down when you go out your front door?
Jason Aten:I mean, I go out the garage to shovel. But, yeah, we actually never go out our front door.
Stephen Robles:Right. That's the trick. That's how you do it.
Jason Aten:Everything. Yeah.
Stephen Robles:But, anyway, this well, there's always failed to do people to fall down the street. Anyway anyway, we gotta talk about privacy Apple in The UK, but before we do, I wanna thank this week's sponsor, which is HelloFresh. Listen, I don't know why I just shared the PDF. If you're watching on YouTube, you saw me just share the PDF of the of the hatchery. So there you go, but I'll tell you what I'm not even gonna read it.
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Stephen Robles:Yeah, yeah, just read it down I'll just leave it on screen for sixty seconds. No, listen I've I'm not a chef, but I've cooked recently because I've gotten some HelloFresh boxes and I feel empowered. I can actually do it and it actually tastes good that's the difference, because you could you could cook stuff on your own. It's not always good, but with HelloFresh they send you, they put it all in the box, they make it easy to do. It's America's number one meal kit.
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Stephen Robles:Just pause it right there.
Jason Aten:Just read the whole thing.
Stephen Robles:Real quick. We neither of us have these in hand to really talk about, but I do wanna mention the Powerbeats Pro two are out. This is Beats like Pro line of headphones, noise cancelling, all of that. People have been freaking out about these saying they're great, even better than AirPods Pro two with quotes. I think I'm gonna have to get a pair to actually see, like, are these really that good?
Stephen Robles:They're about $250. So, like, the same price as AirPods Pro two, but supposedly longer battery life. This is actually a nine to five Mac article I'll put in the show notes. This is Ryan Christofel talking about five ways it beats out AirPods Pro two. The biggest thing, it has a heart rate sensor built in, and that's I think the interesting thing that one day I imagine AirPods Pro will also have this kind of technology, but heart rate built in.
Stephen Robles:If you don't like wearing an Apple Watch or a fitness band, but you're gonna wear headphones, you could do that. Better fit like it has a little thing that goes behind the ear so it's probably more secure. Actual color options, AirPods are still white only. But I'm like, didn't Apple didn't Apple do like white or black headphones at one point even if it was wired? Did they do that with the in ear ones that you talked about?
Jason Aten:I don't think I've ever seen black.
Stephen Robles:No? You might be right. Well, they need to do colors. I'll just say that. I mean
Jason Aten:I mean, if you think about the marketing campaign, it was always like the bright colors with the white earbuds so
Stephen Robles:If you want colors you have to go AirPods Max.
Jason Aten:Which Well that's being generous but
Stephen Robles:And better Android support. So I mean people are saying this is really cool. I don't know if it has Find My support. It does have the h two chip which is what AirPods Pro two, what the AirPods Max don't have. The new AirPods Max, the USB C still has the h1 chip, but yeah they look cool.
Stephen Robles:I'm curious, I wasn't going to get them or try them because I don't know I like my AirPods Pro two, but I don't know. People like it. Yeah. We'll see. Anyway
Jason Aten:Yeah, I'm not gonna buy them but that's
Stephen Robles:cool. Thank you for your service. We have to talk about The UK and Apple privacy. This was a big deal. Jason's article, I I kept his Google search up.
Stephen Robles:If you search for Apple privacy UK, Jason's Inc article is like second official result. You got like the Washington Post up here. Well, you have the Apple's privacy page is number one. Washington Post, and then if you go past the top stories, little Google thing, inc.com.
Jason Aten:My article is in the top stories too there, just to be clear.
Stephen Robles:Oh, it is. Yeah. So that's Look at that, dude.
Jason Aten:And and and just to be fair, that Washington Post article is the original article that first reported about this, I'm cool with that.
Stephen Robles:These are right, right? It makes sense. Yeah. That's that's pretty good. That's pretty good SEO.
Stephen Robles:So here's the deal. The UK is trying to demand or petition Apple to create a backdoor for the end to end encryption via iCloud which this came out last, a couple years ago. The advanced data protection which is what you can it's a manual enable, it's not on by default, but This is something you can enable on your iPhone, and it will encrypt your iCloud data where even Apple cannot decrypt it. And this is the idea of having a backdoor to the encryption, where if you don't enable advanced data protection, Apple could technically access that data for something like law enforcement, although they often refuse to do that be due to user privacy, but The UK under their Investigative Powers Act is wanting Apple to provide access to that encrypted data even through advanced data protection. Now Apple stands as always privacy first, and what is the ramifications of we'll talk about that in a second, but this might also apply not just to The UK, but worldwide.
Stephen Robles:Apparently, this investigative powers act is applies to companies that not only offer services or not only exist in The UK, but any company that does business with The UK. So even though Apple is an American business, it could widespread a force them to do it, which I'm curious one of the things I'd love to hear from you, how does The UK even have that jurisdiction to like I don't know what like if Apple just says no, I don't know the ramifications, but this is again would be massive deal. One, the SALT Typhoon hack, which happened recently, we talked about it on the show where Chinese hackers infiltrated US mobile carriers, that was because of backdoors that carriers have according to data. And so that's what The UK is trying to do, And I will say just this morning, The US several members of congress are asking the national intelligence director, Tulsi Gabbard, to tell The UK to no. Like, to tell The UK to rescind this demand and, The UK here is The U I'm reading this quote from the MacStories article I think is quoting the Washington or yeah, the Washington Post article which is behind the paywall.
Stephen Robles:The US government must not permit what is effectively a foreign cyber attack waged through political means. If The UK does not immediately reverse this dangerous effort, we urge you to reevaluate US UK cybersecurity arrangements and programs as well as US intelligence sharing with The UK. That's a big deal. So I know, Jay, you wrote the article. Tell me what are your thoughts on this.
Jason Aten:Okay. I wanted if you don't mind, I wanna clear I feel like bad for doing it this way, but I'm gonna clarify a couple things. First of all, The UK is not trying to do a thing. They sent Apple a demand saying you have to do this. Okay.
Jason Aten:And they this is under what's called the investigative investigative powers act, I believe it's called. And and Apple over the summer was trying very hard to dissuade them from expanding the scope of what they could require under that. And Apple has received from the UK government from, like, m I five or whatever their their version of the, not the CIA, but, like, the
Stephen Robles:NSA national security.
Jason Aten:And so they have, received that, and they're not allowed to talk about it. It's illegal to even mention that this demand has been received, and yet we still know about it. So that's cool. But, and I actually wanted to write a whole article just about that because it means one of two things. Someone at Apple talked to the Washington Post or someone in the UK government who knew about this did because they think that there's a problem.
Jason Aten:Like, that's the only two options. Like, someone there's not that many people that could have possibly known about this. It's not like someone accidentally posted the document on Twitter. Right? Like it's like someone on one side.
Jason Aten:And so they have actually done it. Now, the other thing I wanted to just clarify before I talk about it is apple will has never refused to provide icloud data. Okay. What they have refused to do and the only reason they refused is because they literally cannot is to unlock locked devices that law enforcement has asked them for access to Right. There's like they were asked a couple of times, to write software that would allow them to bypass the passcode.
Jason Aten:Then they've refused to do that because it would break encryption for everyone. And in other cases, they've simply said, we can't help you access this. If you don't have the passcode, you don't. And there are some tools that will essentially trick the phone into, you know this happened to me on the way out to my office where my phone I looked at my phone, and it's like, you have to wait a minute before entering your passcode again. Because if you enter your passcode wrong enough times, it puts you in time out.
Jason Aten:Yeah. If you keep doing it long, that time out will be, like, seven hundred and ninety three hours or something stupid like that. Right? So there are devices
Stephen Robles:all too well when their toddler is like Yeah.
Jason Aten:I suggest if you have a toddler, it's probably worth turning that feature off just
Stephen Robles:to be You could have you can even wipe your device if it's like 10 failed password.
Jason Aten:I was gonna say after enough time, it will wipe out the device. You can have that set to do that. And there are there are is very expensive hardware made by I believe it's an Israeli company that will trick the phone into not triggering that so they can just continuously enter passcodes. Right? So anyway, that's the one thing.
Jason Aten:So apple though has always responded to search warrants for data that's hosted on iCloud because apple has been able to access that information. And the reason apple does it is super simple because the number of times someone walks into the genius bar and says, I don't have my password and I cannot get all of my photos or any of my stuff. And Apple's like, okay, so what we can do is send a reset code to whatever that allows you to recreate a password because Apple just the customer service burden of telling people, sorry, all the photos of your baby are gone. It was just too high. And that's why this is an optional feature.
Jason Aten:But if you turn on advanced data protection, there's only one key in your device has that only the only key and it's only accessible when you enter the passcode for your Apple account. Apple has no way of recovering that. That's why you have to jump through a couple of hoops in order to turn it on. I have it turned on And in fact, I had to remove devices from my account that were too old to be updated. So they could not be considered like a key, right?
Jason Aten:Like a key device. And so I had to remove some noise. Thankfully, we weren't using any of those devices, so it's it's totally fine. So you have to jump through those hoops to do that. The problem is, and this is what I wrote about, there is no such thing as a backdoor that lets the government access the information for bad guys.
Jason Aten:That doesn't also just make everyone's information vulnerable. And that's the problem with the salt typhoon hack, which was essentially they took advantage of the backdoor, like the wiretapping, like they just took advantage of what already existed and they were able to get in. And if you create a backdoor, someone will figure out how to get in and it won't just be the government and the debate here. The reason this is like complicated for people is I don't think anybody's on the side of let's make it easier for people who do bad things to hide what they're doing. I don't think anybody believes that, but I do think that the in this country, any of the people who wrote the constitution decided it should be a little bit hard for the government to get access to your stuff.
Jason Aten:Right. And just because they've proven to a judge that they can have a warrant that legally entitles them to have access to that information. But that does not negate the fact that companies building encryption, for example, should have to stop doing that for everyone just because there's a like, in the cases where Apple has refused to unlock a phone, like, they literally refused the judge's order to unlock a device. They because they couldn't. They're like, it's encrypted.
Jason Aten:There's nothing we can do. We can't like, we literally can't comply with this. And the FBI found other means to get into it. And that's great. Whatever.
Jason Aten:So I think I think that it's important. And I wonder if anyone in the UK government has thought about the fact well, I'm sorry. Let me, I'll share that thought in a second. The important thing about this law is that it applies to companies who do business in The UK, but it applies to user data for citizens anywhere. So The UK could say, we think apple that there's someone in The U S living in Georgia right now that might be planning an attack.
Jason Aten:So we want all of their iCloud data and apple would have to comply with that, even though that that government has no jurisdiction over that individual. Right? I mean, they could charge the person with a crime if they ever came to, like, The UK or they plotted something in The UK, but they that person is a citizen of a different country and is currently residing in a different country. And it feels like that is a bridge too far. And the point I was going to make is did anybody in the UK government think about the fact that now China has no reason not to demand the same thing of British citizens data, right?
Jason Aten:Because China already requires Apple to store iCloud data of Chinese citizens on servers managed in China. Right. Right.
Stephen Robles:But they don't
Jason Aten:have any business talking to anybody about anybody else's data. Right. And this sets a very weird and dangerous precedent. And, and obviously last thing I'll say, this is why they made it illegal to talk about it. Like not for us to talk about it, but for companies to say it because they did not want anybody raising those questions because they were just hoping if no one knows, then it's fine.
Jason Aten:Right. We'll just keep doing our business. And I don't think that it's, I don't think it's wrong for the government to have as many tools as possible to stop people who do bad things to punish people who do bad things. I I think we can all agree on that, but I don't think that it's also wrong to think that it's okay if that's a little bit hard. Right?
Jason Aten:It's okay if there's some barriers to that. And I think it's because like, I don't think the people who wrote the con well, first of all, the people who wrote the constitution had no idea what they could not have foreseen smartphones. They didn't
Stephen Robles:pay for iCloud
Jason Aten:or I don't think Ben. Right. I don't, they only had five gigs of free storage so they weren't worried about there's only so much you can store there. But I don't think Ben Franklin Ben Franklin was thinking about encryption algorithms. No, I just don't think that that's like exactly what they were thinking about.
Jason Aten:So they didn't foresee this, but I think that they wanted it to be a little bit harder for the government because I think that they believe that if we're gonna air on one side, we're gonna air on the side of allowing people to protect their data and their personal Yeah. Freedom. So
Stephen Robles:What could possibly be the ramification? Like, I don't know. This is because I don't understand The UK law, but, like, I understood with the digital markets to act in the EU, like, Apple had to open up. Otherwise, I guess they wouldn't like, Apple wouldn't be able to sell devices maybe in the EU. I'm not exactly sure what the the ramification was there.
Stephen Robles:But for this in The UK, especially the far reaching aspect of it, like wanting data from citizens that are not UK citizens, is it just that Apple could not sell iPhones in The UK? Or, like, they would find Apple somehow? Like, do we know what the ramification would be, or is that kind of shrouded?
Jason Aten:So it's a little bit shrouded. I think the both the BBC so the BBC are also did some follow-up reporting on this, and both the BBC article and the Washington Post says that it would require apple to like apple's only real option would be to no longer be in The UK. Right? So that would mean apple would no longer sell devices that beautiful Battersea station office that they have in London. Like they wouldn't have employees there anymore.
Jason Aten:I actually started thinking about this in retrospect. I'm like the Tim Cook had spent a lot of time doing some stuff in London and in England and in The UK recently. He was with the king, the king, you know, king Charles toured the thing and I'm like, it's interesting to me and it didn't make sense. Why? Why is there so much effort right now to get in good with The UK?
Jason Aten:And I'm like, oh, there's something happening. Like, we didn't know what it was at the time, but there's some relationship building going on. Tim Cook is one of the best non governmental diplomats you're ever going to see anywhere. He's super diplomatic about these things. And so I'm sure that was an intentional effort, but I think, I don't think it's unforeseeable that apple will no longer do business in The UK because then they would, that's the only way that they would not be subject to this law.
Jason Aten:There's some talk that they're gonna like withdraw advanced data protection, but I don't, then that's fine. But that doesn't exempt them from what about you and I who have advanced data protection turned on and we live here in The United States. Like this law still would compel apple to allow them to have access to our information if they had a warrant, if they had right, like the right kind of thing. And so the only way around that is to not do business. I think a more likely outcome is that quietly this gets changed and goes a little bit more away because I don't think that, well, one, can you imagine being the person who decides, all right, fine.
Jason Aten:Let's push them out. Like, look. Listen. There's no more iPhones in The UK. Like, can you imagine being the government person responsible for that?
Stephen Robles:Mass.
Jason Aten:No. That's
Stephen Robles:right. William Gallagher. I'd be so sorry. I don't know what he would do. We'd have
Jason Aten:to get him on the show.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. What do you wanna hear? That's it. It just seems like a wild precedent. So one of the things recently in the news has been, like, Mark Zuckerberg asking The United States to take a bigger role in pushing on foreign governments who are trying to, you know, enact laws that put restrictions on tech companies over there.
Stephen Robles:Whatever his motivation, whatever. But I'm I think I'm glad that The US is like stepping in and saying like, hey, actually don't. Don't demand this like Right. It's actually not a good idea even if just for the ramification like you said China could then ask for the same thing and I don't think anybody wants that. I would also be curious if they turn off advanced data protection for UK citizens like, do those that have it already enabled?
Stephen Robles:I I don't imagine Apple can turn it off for them. I think it might just be they can't offer it anymore, like, the toggle to turn it on gets removed for I don't know. It's it's strange, but yeah, I will keep an eye on it.
Jason Aten:I I think And the implications is actually significant because anyone that you send messages to in The UK would no longer have the ability to have those backups encrypted. That's that's like such an interesting loophole. It's like, okay, all of your eye messages are encrypted in transit and they are encrypted at both ends. Like so only your device. But if you back them up to iCloud, you could have your backup completely encrypted.
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:All of the messages you sent to somebody else, if theirs aren't, are just completely accessible.
Stephen Robles:Right. The last thing I'll say is that this reminded me of the CSAM, technology that Apple had announced and even said would be implemented and this I think would be two years ago, maybe even longer, and they did enact some of those safety measures, things like if nude images are sent in iMessage to a child that, you know, you could parent could get a notification or at least the child's iMessage app would, like, say, do you really wanna see this? So they enacted some of those laws, but the CSAM in particular, which everyone talked about scanning their photos for whatever, which was a oversimplification of the technology. And Apple went to great lengths like Craig Federigh even talked to Joanna Stern about the whole technology that they were using to try and protect users' privacy, but also get the bad guys, for lack of better words. But that never rolled out.
Stephen Robles:They they did not, choose to implement that because of the backlash of what it might mean for user data. Even though it was, again, I I feel like from what I understood of it, they took every precaution necessary to not have it be invasive or whatever. And so, you know, Apple does those things and I think, I don't know, for whatever there's a million scenarios for what a bad actor might do on an Apple device and what kind of data might need to be gotten from it. I would say the answer is not this. The answer is not make a bunch of backdoors for all this data.
Stephen Robles:So yeah. Hopefully, this is
Jason Aten:Well, the the thing about the c I don't think there's a single Apple product feature or anything that I've had more briefings on than that whole see Sam thing because of how it changed multiple times over over a very short period of time before they decided they weren't going to roll it out. And the problem is encryption is just math. It's just math. Right. There's no nuance to math.
Jason Aten:Right? Like, it's like you either have the key to decrypt it or you don't. Like, there is no, like, but what if the person's really bad? Can we then, like, nope. It's still math.
Jason Aten:Right? What if the person has, you know, child pornography or sexually abusive material stored in their iCloud? It's still just math. Now that doesn't make that any better or worse or it's like but the point is you either have it or you don't. You can't.
Jason Aten:Like, there's no negotiating. Should we have it in this case, or should we not have it in this case, or should we be able to get into this, or should we be able to do this? It's just it's like math is binary. Right? It's like a yes or no situation.
Jason Aten:And so that's why this gets so complicated because especially during the CSM conversation, there were so many people who were disappointed that Apple wasn't going to to to take those steps because it was already known the amount of not not the full scope of it, but it was already known that that it was being used in this way. People were storing this type of content or whatever, and they weren't going to have the the this access to to detect it. And yet the reason for that was because people simply wouldn't stand for the idea that their content was just gonna get scanned before it was uploaded to iCloud. And so it's like you either do that or you don't. There's no scale there.
Jason Aten:Like, it's just very complicated.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. I'm still curious if they will ever try to implement that again or they just let it go. Maybe they did and we just don't know.
Jason Aten:I'm just kidding.
Stephen Robles:No. They would That's
Jason Aten:probably that's not the way Apple does it and that's actually the most ironic point of all of this Right. Is that when Apple puts features in like this, they just talk about it.
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:Whereas then the UK government is like, shit. It's illegal to talk about this.
Stephen Robles:That's wild to say.
Jason Aten:You know, you're on the wrong side of the conversation when you make it illegal to do the thing that you probably shouldn't have done.
Stephen Robles:If you start the conversation if you start the conversation with a shh, don't tell anybody.
Jason Aten:Don't talk about fuck up. Number one rule.
Stephen Robles:You know you're doing something wrong. I will be following this. Alright. Well, I wanna get to a personal attack where we talk about what's on our desktop on the Mac, but I did want to mention briefly, smart home is a small corner on this show, but I'm gonna have some more devices to talk about soon. And I do wanna mention if you're into HomeKit and or Matter and or Thread, Aqara, Aqara just That's a lot.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Yeah. Release some new switches. These are exciting for a couple reasons. One, it's thread and matter which there's not a ton of light switches out there with both of those technologies that work with HomeKit.
Stephen Robles:There's also multiple options like two and even four button ones so you can like run scenes through this button but you can install it even if you don't have a neutral wire. And I know back when I was trying to do smart home stuff in my nineteen forties house, it was very difficult because we didn't have neutral wires anywhere and there weren't a lot of great options for it. Lutron being one of the few. But now, yeah, there's a new a carl switches out there. You can buy them now here in The US.
Stephen Robles:I believe, in The UK too. But there's gonna be some other devices that I can talk about very soon. I can't talk about them right now.
Jason Aten:Very mysterious.
Stephen Robles:I might have tweeted a picture of it and I I don't know maybe I broke an embargo I don't know but I have some power over ethernet devices that work with HomeKit that I'm pretty excited about that I've been trying and so I'll be able to talk about those probably next week but you wanna hear more smart home stuff, let us know because
Jason Aten:Should should I buy some of those switches?
Stephen Robles:Do you have any smart switches right now?
Jason Aten:The Lutron Casados in my office. That's it.
Stephen Robles:I mean, I have to try them. I'm getting one to try, so let me let me try it first because I always I'm
Jason Aten:just happy to Yeah. I'm just happy to hear that thread still matters.
Stephen Robles:Anyway, you should definitely should definitely Lutron like, the problem is Lutron is so solid. It's hard to recommend anything else if you never wanna think about it again. Well, it's
Jason Aten:because they have their own router.
Stephen Robles:Because they you have to
Jason Aten:have a hub. Why they are Yeah. So solid, but these because they use thread, I assume they just connect to your Palm Pod Mini or whatever.
Stephen Robles:The thread should be more reliable and faster. I will say the power over Ethernet stuff I got, one is a smart shade. It like, if you've ever added a device to HomeKit, you know it takes forever, like, to scan the code and then it thinks about it for several minutes.
Jason Aten:And then you have to do it again twice a week.
Stephen Robles:The shades that have power over Ethernet and I paired, it was like instantaneous and it was like I didn't believe it. I thought it was like messed up. I was like you're not really there. I don't believe it. And it was You're
Jason Aten:just running a demo. This is not real.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. I was like, yeah. But it actually it actually works. So anyway, back to, the this is our personal tech segment about our desktop. So this is back to DSR Jarman from The UK talking about what's on his desktop.
Stephen Robles:I'd love for this to be the next the next not conspiracy, the next debate? How we do what we do? Anyway
Jason Aten:Next thing we talk about.
Stephen Robles:The next thing we talk about as far as our preferences, what's on our desktop? But before you tell me like what's like on it, maybe files and folders wise, if you go to the finder settings and there's the in the general section there's the show these items on the desktop And the four options are hard disks, external disks, CDs, DVDs, and iPods is the checkbox, and connected servers, those four checkbox options. Jason, of those four, which do you have checked? Hold on.
Jason Aten:In the finder
Stephen Robles:You gotta go to finder settings.
Jason Aten:Settings.
Stephen Robles:And then it's right there under the general tab.
Jason Aten:Hard disks, external disks, which are the same.
Stephen Robles:But No. No. No. Hard disk is your Macintosh HD. It's your built in drive.
Jason Aten:That's not what that means though.
Stephen Robles:A hard disk?
Jason Aten:I mean, I have a hard disk sitting right here. It's spinning hard disk.
Stephen Robles:It's a it's a it's a distinction between, like, internal and external.
Jason Aten:Yeah. Whatever. Hard disk, external disks, and iPods.
Stephen Robles:You don't have connected servers checked?
Jason Aten:No. I don't have connected servers.
Stephen Robles:Oh, okay. Well, that's interesting. I have so hard disks and external disks, I have unchecked because I don't need to see Macintosh HD on my desktop.
Jason Aten:But you see wanna see the dots in your dock, which you don't wanna see with drives your Steven.
Stephen Robles:Well, here's the other thing.
Jason Aten:A heresy.
Stephen Robles:I also have three external SSDs connected to my Mac at all times for my various video editing, and I don't wanna see those on my desktop. I don't have those unchecked.
Jason Aten:What is the perp? Okay this is opening such a cannon. What is the purpose of your desktop? Is it just to be a pretty picture to look at?
Stephen Robles:Well we're gonna get to that. We're gonna get to that. I do have CDs and DVDs checked which came in handy the other day because I was ripping the matrix Blu ray.
Jason Aten:Shh. Cut that part out.
Stephen Robles:Oh, sorry. Yeah. I'm not doing that. And then I have connected servers checked because I have a Synology, which I move stuff to all the time, and so I like to make sure that it's connected and quick access, and I do that all the time. So I have my connected servers checked.
Jason Aten:What's the distinction between the Synology and an SSD that you plug in? Why one and not the other?
Stephen Robles:Because the SSDs are only Final Cut libraries, so I only it just added footage off of it. I never actually dive into those SSDs to manage files. I just they just power Final Cut when I open it. That's it. Yeah.
Stephen Robles:Uh-huh. That's right. That's right. You get it. Alright.
Stephen Robles:So this I
Jason Aten:don't understand what you think the desktop is for.
Stephen Robles:Well, okay. Now let's talk about what's on it. So besides those things, desks, external or, you know, your Macintosh HD external drives, whatever, what what else is on your desktop? Your Mac desktop?
Jason Aten:I don't have very much, but I have there are one, two there are two SSDs in one non SSD, like, spinning hard drive. One of those SSDs because I'm using this Mac mini that only has a one terabyte hard drive is an additional one that has my just has my iCloud photo library. That's the only thing in that SSD.
Stephen Robles:Wait. It's on an external drive?
Jason Aten:My iPhone library is on this Mac Mini because I have the whole thing downloaded. I have all the files downloaded. So it's, like, 800 gigs, and it's just
Stephen Robles:But it's on the built in SSD?
Jason Aten:No. No. No. It's on a s it's a it's on a LaCie SSD externally. Externally.
Stephen Robles:Now is it syncing live? Like is it your
Jason Aten:it's a thunderbolt drive.
Stephen Robles:Wait, how did you do that?
Jason Aten:You just put the drive on, you just put the library on the on whatever drive you want and you just say make this my primary library.
Stephen Robles:So when I did that I tried to do that recently and it threw up a warning saying
Jason Aten:It turns off iCloud Photos and then you have to go and turn it back on. And I don't know why there's that step.
Stephen Robles:And that's it?
Jason Aten:That's what you have to do.
Stephen Robles:And you can just do it? Yep. Oh, I need to do that now. I copied my it took me, like, three days. I copied my whole library to my Synology and then I went to make it my primary photo library, and it was, like,
Jason Aten:and it's Now I because of the network drive, I can't say anything about Synology. I don't know. But I just had this Laci Porsche one terabyte drive that I bought one time when I was at the Apple Store because I thought it looked cool, and I thought I would need it someday. And I it's just it's just super reliable, but it's, like, was ridiculously overpriced for a one terabyte drive. And I'm like, what should I do with this?
Jason Aten:And I'm like, oh, you know what? Now the the irony is I don't actually need it anymore because I now have two extra terabytes in this the touchy thing, but it would be perfect for this purpose. Right? Like, just automatically connected. So anyway, and then I have and then one of those s s d's is the time the other so there's two s s d's.
Jason Aten:The other one is a time machine.
Stephen Robles:Okay. Okay.
Jason Aten:And then I have a 10 terabyte g drive, one of those whatever those things were. Yeah. And that just has like there's a backup of my dropbox. The whole thing it has.
Stephen Robles:You do access that stuff often like that g drive?
Jason Aten:I access it occasionally. But here's the reason why I wanna see it on my desk because it's a spinning drive. So the potential for no, but the potential for failure is greater. So just knowing it's there tells me that my stuff is there and it backs up to back place. So that's great.
Jason Aten:But like, that's why I wanted to like to be there. But my depth. Yeah. So then I also have my drop box, an alias to my drop boxes on my my home. And then I have a full, the only other folder I have is a folder called this week, which is literally just where I put things.
Jason Aten:I don't like to have clutter on my desktop, but it's functional to me. So I use a folder called this week, which is where, okay, I downloaded these four images from Getty to put into articles. And so they just go in there until I have a time to put them in the place where I'm going to save them or, Hey, I downloaded this video and then I ripped the audio so that I could transcribe just the audio and those files go in there until I decide, should I trash them? Should I keep them? Did it all work?
Jason Aten:But I, so I just put them in a folder called this week and then I just move that stuff and, or trash it. Or sometimes it accumulates and it's three weeks worth of stuff, but at least, but my desktop is not precious. I don't like clutter on it, but I'm I want to see the things I'm more. It's where I go to see the things because I use, was it called mission controller expose now? Like where you just move your cursor to the corner and I can see my desktop instantly and I do that a hundred bajillion times a day just to find stuff on my desktop.
Jason Aten:And anytime I download something from anywhere, it goes to my desktop, not to the downloads folder. My downloads folder has zero things in it.
Stephen Robles:That I disagree with. I think it should go to the downloads folder.
Jason Aten:That's fine, but I put it on the desktop because I can find it instantly no matter what. And then I just know that it's there, and I either have to deal with it or get rid of it. You puts listen. You put how many things you probably have 37,000 things in your download folder.
Stephen Robles:No. No. No. Well, because I clean it out regularly. Like, my downloads folder, I think I treat it as your this week folder.
Stephen Robles:So but the other thing is too, I download a lot of videos, and so I don't want those videos syncing to my iCloud Drive, and then I forget about them. And so I like having those bigger files in the downloads folder because it's not syncing anywhere, it's just on my local machine. I don't need it on my iCloud drive, so I just leave it there.
Jason Aten:But see, I want it to sync because I want it to also be on my both my Mac Mini and my laptop.
Stephen Robles:That's fair, I get it. So on my desktop, in my Synology, I have the picture of your snow boots because I because I just dragged that over from iMessage and I need to open it up in Safari. I have a screenshot of something in our podcast sponsor page because I have to ask them what I'm supposed to do with this. And so I have a screenshot of that because it's kind of like a to do item and I just took it before we recorded so I couldn't do anything about it. And then I have a folder.
Stephen Robles:It's exactly like yours it's like files I'm currently dealing with, it's just called working. So the folder is just called working and I didn't used to have that but and then what I would do is I would keep these files in the downloads folder and that would be my working folder but I didn't like that. I like keeping my downloads folder more clean and it like right now my downloads folder has one file it has the hell the HelloFresh PDF and then I'm gonna delete that as soon as we're done recording. So I just I had that one folder. I liked for a very long time I had absolutely nothing on my desktop.
Stephen Robles:I just had the Synology and nothing else. But the working folder, I just have some stuff I just don't know what else to do with and so that that's just there. And I do have two widgets on my desktop. I finally have two widgets. One is my battery widget because I can see my magic mouse and my magic keyboard so I know when I need to charge it finally.
Stephen Robles:And I have a home kit, block, some device and it's basically all devices here in the studio that I can control. I used to open the home app all the time and just leave it open, but now I have this little widget where I can open my shades, turn the fan on or off, and I have those just two widgets in the top right corner and that's it.
Jason Aten:I do have two widgets
Stephen Robles:as well.
Jason Aten:I have a I have a things widget and I have a fantastic widget. The two literally the in and I'm sorry. I also have a carrot weather widget, but I learned that it's actually an iPhone widget. So I kinda hate that because I have the carrot. Yeah.
Jason Aten:I have the carrot widget app on my Mac, but the widget I'm sorry. I have the carrot weather app on my Mac, but the widget is for the iPhone. So every time I click on it, it wants to open in iPhone mirroring. And I'm like, no. No.
Jason Aten:No. You did not understand the assignment. I just wanted I just wanted to have you open the but it doesn't do that.
Stephen Robles:Now the things the things widget, I just immediately put it on my desktop because I just realized I leave the things app open, like, almost all day, but it's just to see the the to dos and that I like I think I like the widget. I'm just gonna leave it there.
Jason Aten:And it's great because you can actually just check things off without it doesn't help in the app.
Stephen Robles:Brilliant. Alright. Well, I just added my third widget. Do you
Jason Aten:do you use the things, keyboard shortcuts?
Stephen Robles:No. Really?
Jason Aten:Because, like, you're just going a lot so, like, there's a there's a great like, you can actually map to whatever you want. So as you're going along, you can just click the keyboard shortcut and type in a thing for your for things, but there are two of them. The second one and I think I have a shift control space. Yeah. So right now, I just clicked it, and what it did is it created a it pulled up the window, and it says Riverside Studio primary tech with a link back to what we're doing.
Jason Aten:Uh-huh. So, like, you can do that from your email, from a web page, from anything you're in, and it'll add a link to it. And then you can so when you add it to do, you could be like, you know, respond to this email or remember to read this website or whatever, like, whatever you wanna do. And it pulls the context from whatever window you're looking at, which is great. And it
Stephen Robles:puts the URL or whatever in the
Jason Aten:Right inside of the yep. Exactly.
Stephen Robles:Well, I will be doing that now. That's amazing.
Jason Aten:It's amazing. It's the best it's the single reason why I haven't switched to, like, to do list or something. Like, is that with that that keyboard shortcut.
Stephen Robles:That's pretty good.
Jason Aten:It will make you just warning when you go to enable it, you you go into the settings for things and you can enable it. It'll make you download like a small little helper app because I think it's because I downloaded things from the app store, Mac app store, so it's not able to interact with different things. So download a third party like thing. And anyway, just so you know.
Stephen Robles:This this is great tips. This this was a valuable, session. I disagree with all the external drives on your desktop, but that's okay. That's alright.
Jason Aten:I'll let you It it it helps me to know that everything is the way it's supposed to be.
Stephen Robles:Oh, no.
Jason Aten:Yeah. I get it. Even though I don't have to go back and forth between those things very often. In fact, I don't think there's anything I have to go back and forth between on those. And, and the other reason is before I was using the Mac mini, I needed to see that they were mounted if I had a laptop sitting here, so I didn't walk off and unplug them and not unmount everything.
Stephen Robles:That is true. Yeah. I totally get it. Oh, that's good. Well, listen.
Stephen Robles:Let us know. We're gonna go record a bonus episode about what's on our physical desk, which is gonna be quite a mess, but we're gonna talk about it. This is terrifying. So we're gonna go record that. If you wanna listen to our bonus episode, you can go to primarytech.fm, click bonus episodes, support the show and you get an ad free version plus access to all the back catalog and future bonus episodes.
Stephen Robles:If you would, we would appreciate a five star rating and review in Apple Podcasts, or you could do it in Spotify, if you wanna get back to a five star Apple Podcasts show though. And when you do it, a, tell us on your desktop, what are those checkboxes do you have checked? Do you have external drives? Network drives? We'd love to know.
Stephen Robles:Or I'm really curious about this and maybe, if you're in the community let us know. If you have a partner with an Android phone and you are an iPhone user, how'd that work? How's how's that going? Please tell us.
Jason Aten:We wanna hear your origin story.
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