Better Apple Intelligence in iOS 18.2 (sort of), OpenAI Sora Review, Google Gemini 2.0 Talks a Big Game
Download MP3Remember, no man is a failure who has friends. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. Ios 18.2 is now out for everyone, including some new countries like the UK and Canada. Gonna talk about visual intelligence and some more features. OpenAI has released Sora to the world, and I tried to generate some weird polar bears and medieval knights.
Stephen Robles:So we're gonna see what that can do. Plus, Google has a bunch of news taking shots at Microsoft, might be working on some smart classes, and a ton more. This episode is brought to you by 1 Password, HelloFresh, and Audio Hijack, and, of course, by you, all the members who support us directly. I'm one of your hosts with a cold, Steven Robles, And then my friend, Jason Nathan, is in the cold up in Michigan. How's it going, Jason?
Jason Aten:Oh, it's actually going down. It's 9 degrees now, Steven, outside. 9 degrees. When I walked to my office. This is the one disadvantage.
Jason Aten:I think it might I probably mentioned this last week of having an office that's separate from the house is I have to walk 35 yards to my office in the snow.
Stephen Robles:In the snow.
Jason Aten:Both ways. I'll tell
Stephen Robles:both ways. There
Jason Aten:it is. I mean, it actually kind of is because there is a little bit of anyway, that's fine.
Stephen Robles:Anyway, I'm, I'm nursing. I was afraid I would have no voice today because I had no voice, but now I have the welcome to 101.5 Radio FM. This is your morning drive, and I have tea for the first time. I don't know if
Jason Aten:you can
Stephen Robles:see the cup.
Jason Aten:Respect the beard.
Stephen Robles:It says respect the beard, so I'll be you'll be getting t s m ASMR. I'm a try and mute as much as I can, but you might hear a slurp. I can't promise you won't, but we're gonna get through this. And I just wanna say, if you don't subscribe to our bonus episodes, this is the week. One, because it's the holidays.
Stephen Robles:Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah. All of that. But also, I'm going to rant about the road trip I did last night with the Tesla because charging, Jason. And battery percentage.
Stephen Robles:I wore my battery percentage off t shirt today because this is how I felt my car was all to
Jason Aten:I wore my my merch too. Thank you for calling that out because I wore this t shirt last week and forgot to mention it. I'm wearing it. So I'm wearing one of our shirts today. And I should probably talk about the hat at some point.
Stephen Robles:Oh, yes. We should yeah. Because Jason got a percentage off hat.
Jason Aten:Yes.
Stephen Robles:Anyway, before I forget, do do you know what movie that the quote was from?
Jason Aten:Yeah. That was true. It's a wonderful life.
Stephen Robles:Very good. Yeah. Nailed it. And you're what you're doing. You're, like, binging all the Christmas movies.
Jason Aten:Yes. We haven't watched that one yet, but we do watch a lot of Christmas movies.
Stephen Robles:You're gonna watch Die Hard. You're gonna watch My
Jason Aten:kids are not going to watch that one with me.
Stephen Robles:Just use VidAngel.
Jason Aten:But, well, I just don't think they would care that much.
Stephen Robles:Sure. Sure.
Jason Aten:It will really throw them off because we were just binging to my kids don't get to watch this, but we were just binging our way through Friends. And we just, a couple weeks ago, passed the part where Rachel is dating, you know, Ross's girlfriend's dad, who is Bruce Willis in the show. So that would really be weird to them to then show them a because if they've ever seen anything, it's just that, and they don't have a clue who Bruce Willis is. And then all of a sudden to see him in Die Hard, that'd be a weird way to be introduced to Bruce Willis.
Stephen Robles:That would yes. That is a roundabout way. There's way more there's way better ways to be introduced.
Jason Aten:Yes.
Stephen Robles:But we have some 5 star review shout outs, some wrapped shout outs, and then we're gonna get to iOS 18.2. I wanna thank Kilted Baklava from the UK. That's that was a cool name. People's reviews now are basically, like, blog length, on our Apple Podcasts, and I love it because they're It's fantastic. They're listing everything.
Stephen Robles:So Kilted Baklava said battery percentage off. That's right. Pencil to to volume buttons, so we're on the same page for both of those. Roundabouts, bone and dominant pocket, so we're all we're all there. I think, yeah, me me and them are completely agreed.
Stephen Robles:Anyway, they say great great podcast. Kendall 601, so they don't usually write reviews, but they really love the show. Dot's on. Thank you. I'm winning this round of it so far.
Stephen Robles:Let's see if we can
Jason Aten:I'm pretty sure I actually win this entire thing. Just keep going.
Stephen Robles:Listen. We people want more debate, so we have to figure out what other asinine, preferences we have on macOS.
Jason Aten:I do think we have become the most tribal podcast on in tech right now.
Stephen Robles:I think so. We have the most divisive things.
Jason Aten:Yes.
Stephen Robles:We'll talk about screensavers next. Asbuoy from the USA. Dots on. That's right. Battery percentage on.
Stephen Robles:Listen, nobody's perfect. And this was interesting. Apple Apple Pencil pointed left because that's the way it looks correct, and I I agree. But anyway, they said we're the best tech show. Thank you.
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Jason Aten:But the best part of that entire review was the reason that they subscribed.
Stephen Robles:Oh, that's what was it? I missed it.
Jason Aten:It's it's the first sentence. It says, I've always listened because of Steven, but I truly subscribe because of Jason's affability. I just I won the whole thing. I just I won the podcast.
Stephen Robles:That's it. That's it. Someone has called you affable. You can now
Jason Aten:Not only that. They put their money behind it. Thank you. That's that's very
Stephen Robles:that's very true. So thank you for that. And there are people sending screenshots of primary tech in their or they're wrapped. So this is a overcast wrapped We made, primary tech. This is Matt Winship on Blue Sky.
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Stephen Robles:And then this is Corey Nelson on x. We're number 4 in there. I believe that's Spotify wrapped.
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Stephen Robles:that's very cool. I don't know what number 2 is. A hot dog is a sandwich. We're not gonna start. We can't start that debate.
Stephen Robles:And also, Groby picks on threads were up there in this top four as well. So thank you for sharing all of that. Now 18.2 finally finally came out. I'm mid update because I had to do a road trip yesterday, so I'm like, my phone is updated, my iPad, but I still my Mac, I haven't done that, but I always say 18.2 is out. Apple Intelligence is now in localized English for things like the UK, Canada, South Africa, so you can available in more countries, quote unquote, if you didn't wanna change your language before.
Stephen Robles:And in the next year, Apple says it will come to more languages and more countries. There are some updates for things besides Visual Intelligence and Apple Intelligence, so there are some things. One which I didn't even know was coming was the natural language search in music and TV, so you can go to, like, the TV app or Apple Music. I'll go over the TV, and you can search for something like comedy with Julia Roberts and Cameron Diaz, and that kind of search will actually bring you to My Best Friend's Wedding. So you can actually kind of do a, who was in that movie?
Stephen Robles:I remember this actor, but I don't remember the movie name. Now you can kind of do that natural language search in, a TV and music. And for music, you can ask it things like electronic without words or classical with words or whatever or singing, you know, choir.
Jason Aten:Those are those are none of those things actually exist, but that's fine.
Stephen Robles:You know you know what I mean. But I actually played around a lot with Visual Intelligence because I wanted to know, like, I tried this early in the betas, and most of the time it was just doing Chat GPT searches or Google Image reverse image searches. And I actually found visual intelligence to be upgraded. So I have the video here. I'll link my video down in the show notes, but I found that if you're at a business, like I went to a Starbucks here, and you do visual intelligence, which is only iPhone 16, you hold the camera control, now you actually get basically the Apple Maps info.
Stephen Robles:So if there's Apple Maps info, even things like menu, order, things like that, you'll see it in the Visual Intelligence screen, which is still kind of this weird place that's like not the camera, but it is a camera. You have to treat it like a camera. It's a little weird. But you can do things like jump to order. Sometimes that goes over to Yelp.
Stephen Robles:Sometimes it'll go to the business's website. Basically, whatever it would do in Apple Maps, it would do in Visual Intelligence. Those are the options it's giving you. But there's actually way more stuff that Visual Intelligence can do. It can do things like recognize dates, which is like what they showed in the keynote.
Stephen Robles:So if you have a concert poster actually used a program here for my wife's orchestra. It'll pull the dates and allow you to add the date to the calendar. It wasn't super smart, like, it didn't pull, like, the title of the concert or anything, but that's fine. But you could also do things like if you have an address, a phone number, and website all on a business card, you can use Visual Intelligence, and you actually get the options to call, navigate, or visit the website, so that's cool. But also the summarize feature, which this is, I think, one of the more, like, expedited use cases before if you wanted to get, like, OCR text by taking a picture of some stuff.
Stephen Robles:It was a few steps in before you could get to a summary, but now with Visual Intelligence, you can literally just point it at, like, a book page. That's what I did here, and summarize text is actually just one of the options. So you could take a picture of a book page and tap summarize and actually get a summary of a single page. You would have to literally do that for every page if you were trying to do it, but if there's, like, a magazine article or something like that, you can you can get the summary, which is kinda cool. And it also will recognize like multiple websites and things like that.
Stephen Robles:It doesn't recognize .fm domains for some reason, so I took a picture of the business card with moth.fm and it did not, like, bring that up as an option to tap, and notably, there's a lot of things that the lookup feature in photos can do that visual intelligence can't. For instance, art recognition, visual intelligence will make you look it up with chat gpt or Google image search, but if you take a picture of art and you look in photos, you can use the tap the little eye icon for lookup, and you'll get the name of the artwork. Like so Apple is doing this in photos, but for some reason, it's not bringing it to visual intelligence just yet. Same with plant identification and animal identification. If you do visual intelligence, you basically have to send it to ChatGPT or Google Image Search, but if you just take a regular picture of it, the lookup feature in photos will tell you what it is.
Stephen Robles:So and even, like, the laundry tag thing. Photos will tell you what a laundry tag means, but visual intelligence will not.
Jason Aten:Yeah. Which is
Stephen Robles:a little ironic. Yeah. It is weird. Yeah. Did you have you played around with it at all?
Stephen Robles:I mean, I don't know. There's not really a ton of use cases then.
Jason Aten:I mean, I've used it some that I still feel like it's not the thing we want. It's not the thing they showed us in the pro in the keynote either. It's not, like, pointed at the dog. The whole thing is seamless. It pops up and shows you what the dog like, it's it's still more like, you could point it at a thing and you can sort of, like you then have to tell it, do I wanna ask something or do I want to search something?
Jason Aten:It's like and it also is weird. It this is very similar to the the, Easter egg rant that we went on about the member the podcast memberships. It's like Apple is doing 2 things that to us seem like they should be the same, but they are obviously being developed completely independently because the fact that photos is so much better at giving you this information than when I'm using what is supposed to be an AI powered, you know, lookup tool. Right. I just don't understand that.
Jason Aten:There's something weird happening there.
Stephen Robles:It is weird. I did ask, like, hey, all these amazing lookup features and photos, is that coming? And they were like, we have nothing to say at this time. So, you know, they're not gonna say anything, but I I imagine more will come. Like, Visual Intelligence in the very first beta did almost nothing.
Stephen Robles:Like, it would just tell you to do chat gpt or Google image. So I think they're adding features, but it still has a ways to go.
Jason Aten:Don't you think it's gonna be really disappointing, though, if the most useful parts of Apple Intelligence are just a different skinned user interface to get to chat gpt?
Stephen Robles:Well, we're gonna get to that. Okay. Yeah. Before we get to the Chat gpt integration, another non Apple intelligence feature is the 2 stage camera control. So if you have an iPhone 16, you can now set it to light press, autofocus, auto exposure lock, and then take the picture.
Stephen Robles:Now you're you were all about camera control recently. Are you still using it regularly?
Jason Aten:Yeah. All the time. And by the way, small update, just so you know, I have stopped using the back for now. The real reason is I just keep janking it up every time I drop the phone. It's getting kinda bad.
Jason Aten:But Yes. Yes. But the real reason was it was the camera control button is super hard to find on the side of the phone. It is just not intuitive to find it. And the number of times I would be trying to take a photo and I'm just, like, pressing really hard against this, the titanium side.
Jason Aten:I'm like, why won't you do anything? So I have switched to the nomad case that has the cutout, and I don't love the cutout, but it makes it really easy to know exactly where sorry. I'm updating my phone to 18.2 right now as we speak. As we speak. And so and I've noticed that they made it so that one side of this case gives gives a little bit so that you can push it down pretty reliably.
Jason Aten:But I really like the back, but not only is it getting kind of ugly because I keep dropping it, but also I can't I use the camera control all the time, probably 30 times a day. And I probably try to use it 70 times a day. In 40 of those times, I'm just pressing against the titanium phone.
Stephen Robles:I will say I was trying I was looking for my Nomad leather back because I also stopped using it. I really like how it felt, but it kept like, it got messed up and, like, with a lot of other leather cases, which I recently did a leather case review, like, I have a lot like, this is why I can't find my oh, it's I have stuff everywhere. Yeah. But usually with a leather case, you can, like, if you scratch it, you can kind of, like, rub it. And because it's real leather, the scratches will kind of fade or go away.
Stephen Robles:And I found with the Nomad, I don't know if it's because it's so thin or there's not enough leather on it, I couldn't rub the scratches out. And it doesn't look like a patina. It just looks like a scratch. So I actually I stopped using the Nomad one. I'm still using the, I'm now using the Suti.
Stephen Robles:The Suti, which is not a leather bag, but it's the it's the gray one, and and I do like it.
Jason Aten:Okay.
Stephen Robles:But the Nomad one, I will say, does the best at, like, guiding your finger to camera control.
Jason Aten:Yeah.
Stephen Robles:Like, it just has a nice trough.
Jason Aten:It's really nice.
Stephen Robles:It's nice. Casemakers still need to do the button, like, Apple Silicone case. Like, do a button on the button, I think. Because, like, Apple Silicone, which is, like, right here, you have the capacitive button on the button, which I think is the best experience. Hey.
Stephen Robles:You guys is that silicon?
Jason Aten:But I feel like it's still hard to know. Like but I guess it does feel a little bit different, at least on the case. I'm saying this is the worst podcast ever. I'm just sitting here, like, running my finger across the side of this
Stephen Robles:thing. Like a lamp.
Jason Aten:It's like a fidget toy is what it is. I'm just, like, sitting here fidgeting with it. Anyway, but I feel
Stephen Robles:like come out.
Jason Aten:Yeah. I feel like even that is not again. I've changed my mind about the cutout. I actually think it's a better experience because you know exactly where to put your finger.
Stephen Robles:Okay. Now, but with 2 stage camera control, you've been on the betas. I do
Jason Aten:not use 2 stage camera control.
Stephen Robles:Okay. That's what I was gonna because that was my thing is, like, pressing the camera control button is pretty consistent, pretty easy. But I found trying to do the light press to autofocus nearly impossible to get it, like, when I want it.
Jason Aten:Yeah. I don't like it.
Stephen Robles:And you can't really you can adjust the sensitivity a little bit, but not enough, and I just don't I don't know like, if you have a real mirrorless or DSLR camera, that half shutter press is so clearly half press. Mhmm. And then you could press further for the take the picture. The camera control is just not enough. I almost wonder if, like, the half press could then start a small vibration that's just kind of, like, constant to know you're in, like, focus mode, and then press it all the way down, just to know, like, have I activated it?
Stephen Robles:Because I honestly, I had to look at the screen to know, did I lock the focus or not? Like, I I could not tell by my finger touching. I had to look at the screen to see whether or not it was locked, and I feel like that kind of defeats the purpose. It's hopefully, a feel will let you know, but anyway
Jason Aten:Can I tell you a secret?
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Please.
Jason Aten:Photographers do not use half press to focus.
Stephen Robles:If you tell me you only manual focus, we're gonna No.
Jason Aten:Use back button focus. A 100% of the time. Back button focus all the time. You just little AF on button. You use that to focus, lock your focus in, and then you hit the shutter.
Jason Aten:None of this. When I hit the shutter, I wanted to do the thing a shutter is supposed to do. And which is funny because, like, you know, half cameras now, there's not even a shutter. But you get, like, it's a laptop. But I want it to take a picture.
Jason Aten:I don't want it to be trying to I don't want it to, like, decide how where did how much no. You just if you push that thing. So I I have the first thing I do every time I buy a camera is I set focus to the back button. Yep.
Stephen Robles:I like that. I'm gonna have to try well, I never take my camera off the tripod here.
Jason Aten:But Also, you don't take still photos very often.
Stephen Robles:No. I don't. I don't. But, I mean raw. Well, we're gonna get to the Apple Awards later.
Stephen Robles:But anyway, okay. Last couple of things for iOS 18.2. Chat gpt integration is the other huge feature which you can now log in to your Chat gpt plus account or you don't have to log in. You can just use the Chat gpt features. You'll just have that limit, you know, if you're on, like, the free plan or you're not logged in, and basically whenever you ask the voice assistant something on your iPhone, iPad, or Mac, if it can't do it, it will go out to ChatGPT.
Stephen Robles:By default, it asks you every time, like, do you really wanna send this to ChatGPT? But you can actually disable that. There's the toggle in settings that says confirm ChatGPT requests. Toggle that off, and then it will just go to ChatGPT automatically, and you don't have to confirm it every time. So I highly recommend that.
Stephen Robles:And then the hack is and I think we talked about this in the last episode, and I haven't heard this other places, but you can basically start every request by saying, using chat gpt, and then ask it whatever, and the voice assistant will just use chat gpt for whatever the request, even if it's, like, general knowledge. So I'll say, you know, if you hold the side button, activate the dingus, and say, what's the average rainfall in the Amazon basin? It'll tell you from its knowledge, but then if you do it again and say, using ChatGPT, what's the average rainfall in the Amazon basin? It will use ChatGPT to answer the question. So you can actually preface your requests with using ChatGPT and just default to that all the time.
Stephen Robles:That means you can also create images that way because, you know, the dingus doesn't create images. It'll just do an image search, and you can ask the voice assistant, using chat gpt, create an image of such and such, and it will generate the image right there using the voice assistant. So it's just a little hack for you. I don't know why I'm obsessed with polar bears and medieval nights. We're gonna show more of that during the Sora section, But, yeah.
Stephen Robles:Have you, noticed any difference there or any useful features?
Jason Aten:I mean, I just think I mean, I used to add g b d l the temple talk about that later, but Yes. I just it feels like a letdown to me that the best feature of Apple Intelligence at this point is sending things from Siri to chat g p t. Because I'm like, if I did if that's what I wanted to do, like, I got an app for that, and the app is actually pretty darn good, and I don't need to do I guess it's technically a little bit faster to just long press the side button and just say something and then but then you have to wait for it to decide. Oops. I gotta send this to and I know you just said you just gave us a pro tip that that's great, but it still takes longer for it to do that sort of thing.
Jason Aten:I don't know. I just
Stephen Robles:Yeah.
Jason Aten:I wanted to listen. They promised us that I could just say, you know, when is the thing with the person and where do I go? Like, they they made the these promises, and that is the thing that people are looking for. And they haven't even made actual dingus smarter yet. It's just it's not.
Jason Aten:It's just it's so bad still.
Stephen Robles:If we did funny titles, it would be actual dingus still films. Actual dingus. It is gonna be one of those I forget what other feature this was. There's been a couple times where Apple will announce a feature at wwdc, and we actually don't get it until the next wwdc or even later.
Jason Aten:Yeah.
Stephen Robles:And I think the semantic index, which is what Apple that was the term Apple used for dingus being able to look at your photos and text messages and emails and bring all that information together. I don't think we're gonna see the semantic index until next I mean, obviously, 2025, but I think even closer to Dub Dub.
Jason Aten:Well, is it is it Mark Gurman's report, like, not until, like, the either the end of next year, the beginning of 2026? Like, I think he said, like, the good series not coming for a long time, and that is a huge letdown. Like, because I'm seriously, I you well, I'll save it. The the bar is a lot higher than I think Apple thinks it is. Instead, they're making image playgrounds, which is like garbage.
Stephen Robles:I was going to It
Jason Aten:is so bad.
Stephen Robles:Okay. So the other two things I don't think we're gonna talk about a 2.2. It's like what is my fault.
Jason Aten:I'm sorry.
Stephen Robles:No. It's my fault. The image wand tool is also there, which only works in notes right now. I really thought they were gonna update pages in keynote to include this, and they haven't yet. But you can basically circle a word that you've handwritten or select text in Apple Notes and basically ask it to generate an image from it.
Stephen Robles:Like, it's fine, whatever. But then, like, yes, image playground image playgrounds. Terrifying images, but I've been wanting to, like, just post on social media. Like, here's what Apple Intelligence is doing. And then just post a SOAR video and be like, this is what open AI is doing.
Stephen Robles:And like, that is and I understand Apple is not an AI company. Like, I guess there's maybe there's a distinction there where OpenAI is, like, solely focusing on these large language models, and that's what's underpinning Soarer and everything. But, also, like, this is Apple, the biggest company in the world. And to see, like, here's Image Playgrounds, and then Soarer like, if you just put it side by side, like, it is a stark difference, what they can do.
Jason Aten:Yeah. And I know they've put so many guardrails on it because the last thing Apple wants to do is, like, be responsible for deep fakes and stuff like that. I get it. I understand all those things. Then just don't even do it because this honestly, it just makes the whole thing look.
Jason Aten:It just looks so bad. And it's just I just don't understand. Like Yeah. I don't know. Like, Genmoji, great.
Jason Aten:That's so fun. Like, that's fine. It has a reason for existing, but the image playgrounds and stuff. And do you think the reason that it's only available in notes is because they're, like, intent I just thought of this as you're saying that that they're intentionally limiting the resources that are required to do it. Because if they just put it everywhere, people might actually do like, the image one thing that people might do it more.
Jason Aten:And, I mean, that's all compute. So I don't know.
Stephen Robles:That's true. I know people were saying when they updated to 18.2 yesterday, their devices got hot. That's something we all experience with the betas. Like, oh, shoot. And if you try to do image playgrounds or Genmoji, like, your phone starts cooking.
Jason Aten:Yeah.
Stephen Robles:It is like it it it's very hot. But, I mean, I know this level will improve over time. It does feel like Apple Intelligence. I don't really day to day use. Well, this way, I keep we keep trying to get to it, but we're gonna save it for the personal tech segment because you said, what AIs are we actually using?
Stephen Robles:And we should include Apple Intelligence in that Yeah. Question. So we're gonna answer that in our personal tech segment. No. I'm not gonna not teasing it.
Stephen Robles:I'm not gonna talk about it. We have so much more to talk about because Soera I've been playing around with Soera, and it's just that you got some crazy looking stuff. But before we do, we're gonna thank a couple friends. HelloFresh. HelloFresh is America's number one meal kit, shipping you seasonal recipes, pre portioned ingredients, farm fresh food, all right to your doorstep.
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Jason Aten:I only generated 1, and then I realized that you're limited to 5 seconds. Well, unless you're paying the $200 a month, and then you're limited to 20 sec. You could pay $200 a month, and you still only get 22nd videos. This is just this is a parlor trick, Steven.
Stephen Robles:Later in the notes, we were gonna talk about 1 pass or open AI chat gpt pro, whatever that gets called.
Jason Aten:2 I'm just saying.
Stephen Robles:1,000 a month.
Jason Aten:Okay. We'll talk about that later. But my point is you get 20 seconds. I I have a lot of thoughts about Sora, but, no, I haven't I made one video, and it was great. It was exactly what I expected it to be.
Jason Aten:Yeah. But it is it is I don't understand. Like, what why what is the point of this?
Stephen Robles:So MKBHD had his video as per usual. He's been like, I've been using this for about a week now. And he opened the video with a bunch of clips basically saying, can you tell what's AI and what's actual footage? And I did pretty good on the test. I'll link his video down in the show notes if you wanna see if you could tell which is which.
Stephen Robles:You know what? It is obvious in some places. Some places, it's harder. And he talks about the things that are bad about it, and it's all the things you would expect, like, like, this crazy clip of cars, like, disappearing into each other, weird animals doing weird things, and it's just bizarre bizarre things, can happen with Sora, but I've been playing around with it. Here's my here's my my Sora account.
Stephen Robles:And so here's my medieval knight riding a polar bear. Anytime there's, like, exaggerated movements, like if you watch the sword on the left, he kind of like chops his own head off, and, somehow still survives.
Jason Aten:Slightly problematic.
Stephen Robles:I don't know. Maybe he's Highlander. I don't know. But when he's just sitting on the polar bear, like, that looks kinda cool. That looks pretty real.
Stephen Robles:The fur on the bear looks very good. I tried generating an image of the knight charging with the bear. Less good. Like, it looks a little weird once you get to that. Then it generated, like, give me a podcast conversation, And I was pretty impressed with this.
Stephen Robles:Like like the dude looks real. It looks like he's doing a remote interview using Riverside.fm, on the laptop. That looks pretty good. And then you can also do things like remix stuff. And so you can like once a video is generated you can like add more to the prompt to have it do more things and for some reason this one on the right now has the sword coming out of the bear's nose
Jason Aten:that is a scary bear
Stephen Robles:that is that's a war bear That's, that'll be the name of our first motion picture. War bear. Yeah. Medieval knight. So, you know, I mean, it is well, there's lots of ramifications we probably need to talk about about this being available to the public.
Stephen Robles:If you didn't already have an OpenAI account, they're limiting account creation, so you can't just, like, jump in there and try it, but if you were a ChatGPT Plus subscriber before, you can get in there and start generating some stuff. You can also see, like, things other people have generated in the features tab. There's some wild things there. I mean, some of the stuff is genuinely impressive. And one of the things that MKBHD did is he, like, generated, like, a news reel Yeah.
Stephen Robles:And made it look like it was CCTV footage along with, like, newscasters, and he posted it on X. I was trying to find it here in his video, but I don't think he found it. Yeah. But yeah. I mean, Alan, one other thing, and I wanna get your thoughts.
Stephen Robles:He asked Sora to generate a tech review, like a YouTuber tech review, and so Sora generated this video. This is generated, but this plant that's on the desk that Sora put in the video, MKB, he's just like, now wait a minute. That's my plant. Like, he's holding the plant now in the video. Like, that's a video he has used in his a plant he has used in his videos, and it's like, okay.
Stephen Robles:That was true.
Jason Aten:I wonder what you trained on.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Obviously, the biggest tech YouTuber in the space.
Jason Aten:That's amazing.
Stephen Robles:There's many feelings to feel about this. I am slightly nervous about, like, deepfakes and people like, I already had a situation the other day. I don't know if I told you about this, where I had a a close family relative tell me something outlandish, like, we're not talking about Elon. But they said to me, did you hear that Elon bought Ford? Elon Musk acquired Ford.
Stephen Robles:I was like, I'm pretty sure that's not true, but let me I'll look it up. You know, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I looked it up, and apparently, there was a video that was released back in June that or July that someone had basically cut together a bunch of Elon interviews, put some Ford footage over it, and it actually made it seem like Elon was acquiring Ford. And if you watch this video, it just sounds like it. That was done just with, like, pulling clips from different interviews, and it was enough to fool people.
Stephen Robles:Back then, it fooled a bunch of people, and apparently 6 months later, it fooled someone as well. And it's like, now I don't know. Is it gonna be even harder to tell people, like, actually, this is not real? Like, look closely at the hands. I don't know.
Stephen Robles:Yeah.
Jason Aten:I don't know how we solve that problem. I that's if everything about the video is I just don't I don't really understand what so use I'm assuming you've seen the Coke ad. Right? That Coca Cola holiday ad that was made by magic AI. Yes.
Jason Aten:Like, I don't under like, why don't get what? And I think in Coke's case, the reason they did it is because you could do it with ai. Like, it's not like they're not like they still paid someone to make that. They just they paid someone to make it with ai or whatever.
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:And that's fine. And then, I mean, what they made was a very specific thing. It's not like you could not just get that out of Sorra because, like, the prompt would and also it's only, like, 5 seconds long. You'll get 5 seconds long. I just don't I think no, I don't think the world is ready for this.
Jason Aten:I don't think the world is ready for what happens when you want to spread misinformation, and now you can generate a video that is that now, like and I don't care how hard they try to, like, lock these things down. Someone will figure out ways to do things. And what's crazy about it is, you know, I saw the video from MKBHD of the newscast. It was very obviously fake. That's fine.
Jason Aten:And one of the telltale signs is, like, text is still gibberish in these videos. Right? They can't put words together. I remember trying to, like, tell, Chad g p g early on, make me a map of something. Like, show me a map, whatever.
Jason Aten:And you'd be like and put these locations on the map. And even if you gave it words and spelled them, they just turn out as gibberish in the image. It just can't. So, like, that's good. Don't fix that.
Jason Aten:Leave it like the make that problem always exists so that we'll know and require text in every video, I guess. I don't know. But I feel like it's just, we're not, we're not prepared for what's going to happen. And also, I don't think it's going to be a good thing that now, like, cause people are so predisposed to believe certain things like, so for example, I have no idea who told you that Elon bought Ford, but someone like someone heard that Lots of people heard that, and it's it fit some worldview that they had. And if there's a video that supports that, they don't look critically at what's happening.
Stephen Robles:Right. The confirmation bias is real. And now, like, people being able to generate it. And now OpenAI is watermarking any video you generate with Sora with this tiny little squiggly line at the bottom right that turns into an OpenAI logo. So I'll just show you real quick, but this is going back to the examples that OpenAI is showing.
Stephen Robles:Like, you can see in the bottom right corner, it looks like little lines at first. I thought it was a mistake in the video. The first couple times I generated something, I was like, what is that? Yeah. Because it was hard to see because I had polar bear, and it was snowy, and you could barely see the watermark.
Stephen Robles:But it is there. It turns into an OpenAI logo. But also, you can just crop it out. I mean, you can literally just pull this into Premiere Final Cut and crop the video and there's no watermark. Like, what is there's nothing stopping people from doing that.
Jason Aten:Yeah.
Stephen Robles:So and again, there's some videos that are really convincing. Like, if you ever wanted footage of ocean waves against a mountain or cliff side, it's great at that stuff for some reason. Like, it's great at water physics for some reason. You know, humans less so. But it's not horrible.
Stephen Robles:That's the thing. Like, some of these videos of, like, actual people, it's it's convincing.
Jason Aten:I'm sending you the one I did.
Stephen Robles:Alright. Here's Jason Soar video. More snow because he lives in Michigan.
Jason Aten:Yep. This is basically my morning commute right here.
Stephen Robles:Doesn't look like you, but yeah.
Jason Aten:This is totally my morning commute. That's every morning, me.
Stephen Robles:In the forest, snowing, like, not bad. Not bad. The physics The
Jason Aten:prompt was a 10 year old girl walking through a wintry forest with snow at dawn. Like, that's exactly what that is.
Stephen Robles:That is exactly what that is. The the the physics aren't bad. It looks pretty natural. Like, you I feel like you could throw a clip or 2 in another video with similar clips, and people would be hard pressed to, like, tell the difference. Right.
Jason Aten:Like,
Stephen Robles:to spot it. Like, if you watched an hour long video and there was, like, 3 AI clips in it and they were really good, I feel like people wouldn't know. And that's, that's a different kind of world we're in now.
Jason Aten:The other thing I noticed it was in because I just made another one, and I found that was like, you put in a prompt, and then it titles your video based on what your prompt was. And it actually does that's, like, really like, so the one I sent you, I told you what the prompt was. The title was winter wonderland stroll. I just made a second one, although this is gonna crash. I made a I made a coastal road adventure.
Jason Aten:I put a camper van traveling along a winding road next to the ocean, and it is driving dead smack down the middle of this road, and it is about to have a head on collision with another car. And then it stops. It's a cliffhanger, literally.
Stephen Robles:Literally a cliffhanger. That's hilarious. Yeah. My my titles were knight's courageous charge, knight's polar bear charge. Listen, we have to talk offline about this, but I would like our our brand to just now be a polar bear with a medieval knight riding it.
Stephen Robles:It has nothing to do with tech, but I just
Jason Aten:We we can work on this. I'm not I'm not convinced, but I'm not not convinced.
Stephen Robles:Okay. Very good. Last open AI thing, during their 12 days of ship miss, which Sora was one day, he used the Apple Intelligence Ios 18.2 launch as another day of their ship miss, which is like, did you ship anything that day? I think Apple shipped something that day. But anyway, but one of the first days, which was last Friday, the day after we recorded the last episode, they announced their, chat gpt pro subscription for $200.
Stephen Robles:That basically gets you slightly better reasoning model and longer videos in Sora. $200 a month. Jason, did you sign up immediately?
Jason Aten:I haven't even signed up for the verge yet, and I'm supposed to. I'm I'm and I need to do that. But, no, I did not sign up for it immediately. I don't I don't know. I know there are people that will pay $200 a month.
Jason Aten:I think Ben Thompson from Checkery said he's got they're like, this is perfect for him. I don't I don't understand 200. I mean, it's one thing if no. I get this. Okay.
Jason Aten:The people who are gonna do this are the people who can expense it to, like, their work. Right? Like, that totally makes sense. It's the same people who pay for the information or right? Or Bloomberg.
Jason Aten:Right? I actually was just listening to your conversation with, is it Helen have, like, the publisher of the verge who was talking about how they came up the pricing for their subscription?
Stephen Robles:This is
Jason Aten:why that was on my mind. And they're like, well, we realized that, you know, our readers are people who are paying for this themselves, not people who can expense it to work. And it occurs to me, like, that's why the Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg and the information are so expensive. They don't actually think that they're that valuable. There's just this built in cushion of margin just because they know that it's gonna get expensed to work.
Jason Aten:And I think the same thing has to be true with this.
Stephen Robles:That's fascinating. Yeah. I agree. So you you get access to chatgpt01pro, which is the new reasoning model. Oh, man.
Stephen Robles:$200 a month. I mean, I've used chatgpt01 a couple times just to ask random questions, and I'm like, I would not pay for more of that. I mean, I guess if you have a work thing, that would benefit, but, nah, I'm good. I'm good. I'll stick with my $20 a month to Trygptplus because we're gonna talk about in our personal tech what AIs we actually use, and
Jason Aten:I need
Stephen Robles:to use mine, actually. Also, Google a bunch of news about Google this week, but they released the auto dubbing feature now for YouTube. For some creators and channels with knowledge focused content, YouTube will now auto dub if you check this box, meaning auto dub your video in other languages automatically so people watching your videos can literally click English, Spanish, Japanese, French, whatever, and watch it in a different voice. Now I actually got an email about my personal channel that this feature is coming, if not already on it. I have to actually upload a new video, I think, in order to to see it, but I'm going to do this.
Stephen Robles:I've actually wanted this feature for a while because they announced it months ago, almost last year, I think. They announced the ability that you'd be able to upload other audio tracks to a single video, and that didn't come out until just now, and now it's YouTube's like, well, we're just gonna do it for you. And I'm about it. I'm about it. I'm gonna try to do it.
Stephen Robles:Previously, creators like, huge creators, like MrBeast or whatever, they would create multiple channels for different languages, so there'd be like MrBeast in Espanol, mister beach, Japanese, Russian, he did. And so now the idea is you can just have one channel that reaches multiple languages. And, yeah. I mean, I'm I'm about it. So I'm gonna do it.
Jason Aten:Yeah. I think they started talking about this not with YouTube specifically, but at Google IO, not this past summer, but the summer before. Because I just I remember sitting there and they were explaining, like, you can have a video and it will automatically train not just translate it because, like, that's an easy like, not an easy thing, but that's a thing where it's a lot more simple to just have the captions, for example, be in a, like, closed captions in a different language. Right? You can do that on your Apple TV.
Jason Aten:Like, it that stuff's not hard. But this, like, mimics the voice of a human, and it's, like, voice over in a different language. That's feels like a pretty big deal. And you just described, like, mister beast having all these channels. But for monetization, if you're not mister beast and you don't have 200,000,000, like, followers, subscribers, whatever, it's a big deal because you don't necessarily wanna segment your followers.
Jason Aten:You want them all in one place because that makes your reach much more valuable. So being able to have your Spanish, you know, viewers or Japanese or whatever the other, you know, German, French, having those all in one place makes you more appealing to advertisers, which makes it easier to monetize and to, like, actually make a living at this.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. So I'm excited to do it. I mean, mister b's, he had talked about his process before and, like, he could literally hire a voice over artist for that other language. He would have someone translate the script manually. So I'm sure it was an expensive process, for him and just not sustainable or doable for many solo creators.
Stephen Robles:Like, what I actually tried to do was 11 Labs, which is an AI voice tool, I actually could train it on my voice in English, and I can give it a Spanish translation. So what I would do is get a transcript from my video, translate it to Spanish using whatever, Google Translate or whatever, and then give that text to 11 Labs, and they could generate my voice speaking Spanish for the video. And I
Jason Aten:could do that. I, like,
Stephen Robles:I had already done that, but YouTube didn't allow you to upload a separate audio track to your video. Like, they would let you do captions in another language and you can upload that, but not audio. And I think it's because they were waiting because they wanted to do it themselves rather than you, like, uploading someone else's stuff. Yeah. So it's interesting.
Stephen Robles:Watch for my next videos. My next short course video might be dubbed in multiple languages. We'll see. But I'm gonna try it. But Google had a bunch of stuff going on.
Stephen Robles:Before we do, because, this is not a break, but I want you to talk about Google taking shots at Microsoft. I saw this post on blue sky which I feel like for all that we've talked about in recent years or in recent months like this is very, apropos. This is like googling stuff then versus now. Googling stuff back then, search results, the thing you want. Googling stuff now, search results.
Stephen Robles:AI taking a wild stab at it with some blatant misinformation. Sponsored results. Sponsored results. Sponsored results. Sponsored results.
Stephen Robles:People also ask, view products, and then, like, the thing you want off the screen.
Jason Aten:Yeah. All the
Stephen Robles:way down.
Jason Aten:That's exactly right.
Stephen Robles:It is exactly right. This I'll put it at the podcast artwork too so you can see this, if you're listening in your podcast app. But this is a 100% accurate. This is this is the history of Google. This was like 15, 20 years ago, maybe even 10 years ago.
Jason Aten:It was, like, 4 years ago. Yeah. That was still true.
Stephen Robles:It was, like, 4 or 5 years ago. And now it's it is it is wild. I I just don't I still it doesn't push me to use chat gpt web search just yet. I don't know why. I'm still trying Google and being frustrated and just resolving to read the AI overview and be like, I guess it's true.
Stephen Robles:That's fine. We'll just take that as as fact.
Jason Aten:But don't do that, Steven. You I know.
Stephen Robles:No. I I know. Not for important things, but for other things, it's like, I don't know. There was a question about I forgot what it was. And I was just like, you know what?
Stephen Robles:This AI overview might just be, you know, good enough.
Jason Aten:Well, Google is only good at this point to find a thing you already know. You just don't remember like where it was or to find like a website or a thing, a piece of information and you're just, you just need to sort of like have the signposts point in the right direction. It is not good for discovering information that you don't know. It is, it has become horrible. I just think we don't have time for all of that.
Jason Aten:But the problem with what you just showed is that it just, it just shows you how, when I say that, I mean, the, the graphic about how different Googling is that the incentives are just completely misaligned between Google making money and human beings who are using Google to find things because Google makes money from all of those things that are before what you actually want. And, and I just, it is so in my mind problematic that someone is like their KPI at Google is like engagement and clicking on things. And so they just keep stuffing stuff in there and human, and they are like, well, look, we got more conversions on this. It's like, of course, if you do more things, you will get more conversions, but it doesn't make people happier. It's just Right.
Jason Aten:It's such a mess.
Stephen Robles:I do find because it pushes products so hard that if I wanna price check something, I will Google search it because I know it's gonna show me product results at the top and show me all the different sort like where I can get it, B and H or Amazon. So I actually will use it to price check things. But, yeah, the general knowledge stuff is just getting worse and worse. But supposedly and I'm going to swap these around and lead into your article, talking about Google taking shots at Microsoft because Google also introduced Gemini 2.0, a new model. This is supposedly even better.
Stephen Robles:This new model is gonna start powering the AI overviews early next year during your Google search, so maybe those will get better. But Gemini 2.0 is also multimodal, which means it can move between, like, audio, visual, text, and it can do all those different modes within the same kind of conversation or request. And Google is bragging. Like, this is, like, an amazing new model, supposedly. And my Android phone actually started listening because I said Google.
Stephen Robles:Now I can't say Google or the other word. Anyway, so you got Gemini 2.0 launched. Google also revealed that they had a breakthrough in, like, quantum computing. I don't know why I'm so obsessed with this, but, like, the superposition of quantum computing where a chip can be both on and off at the same time. I just love it.
Stephen Robles:It almost sounds like a sci fi thing. So I don't know. I just wanted to mention that.
Jason Aten:Well, it's like the cubits. Yeah. And not just can they be positive or negative or 1 or 0. They can be any combination of the two things at any at the same time. Right.
Jason Aten:Here's the like, read that deck. It says that the computer solved the problem in 5 minutes that would take a supercomputer 10 septillion years to compete, to complete. This is like of the 2 things, Gemini versus this. Like, I think this is actually the more significant, breakthrough in the long run. And it's just, it's kind of mind blowing, but it's also terrifying.
Jason Aten:It's going to like quantum computing is going to be the sort of thing that is able to solve problems that just have not been solvable by now. And at the same time well, it's like the imagine if they would have had this in the interstellar. They could have solved the problem of gravity so much easier. Right? No.
Jason Aten:But at the same time, it like, we've already heard Apple talking about building encryption for the post quantum computing age. Because if it, if a computer, if a quantum computer can solve something in 5 minutes like this, no encryption will work because literally encryption is just a defense against someone guessing the key In computers, it would just take them too long. It will not take quantum computers that long.
Stephen Robles:Right. And the only other quantum computer I had seen was the IBM quantum computer, and I watched the whole video on that. And now I'll link in this Virder Verge article. There's the kind of an inside look at Google's Quantum AI Lab. Just amazing.
Stephen Robles:And one of the coolest things, if you're not familiar, like, these chips run so hot. Like, that's one of the issues with these, like, superposition chips that there's this cooling system. Like, this whole image right here, if you're watching, is, like, the cooling system for a single chip because they have to basically get it close to, like, 0 Kelvin.
Jason Aten:Yep.
Stephen Robles:And they said it's colder than most parts of the universe. Like, even in the vacuum of space, they have to make it colder than that so these chips can actually run for periods of time as it's just amazing. So, anyway, Google's doing all that.
Jason Aten:But one more thing about that. Sorry.
Stephen Robles:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Aten:The thing the real breakthrough, I just wanted to mention this, that they have done is the error correction on it. It's so it's like what it's able to do is detect when it is make it made an error and correct that, which just speeds up, like, the computing exponentially. And so, like, I think that's the real breakthrough that that Google has come up with. And so because otherwise, you just you can you can just imagine a computer that's that fast that makes a mistake and just continue spiraling down that. Right?
Jason Aten:But this is able to, like, correct the errors that it's making. And so yeah. It'd be
Stephen Robles:like a quantum beach ball from a Mac. That would be that's the black hole from interstellar. Wait a minute.
Jason Aten:There's so many connections here.
Stephen Robles:Wait a minute. It's all connected. But then you had an article talking about soon over try. And I actually before because I wanna hear this, in-depth. Before you do that, I'll take you just one more quick break and thank our wonderful sponsor who sponsored us the last 3 months ending out 2024, which is our great friends at Audio Hijack.
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Stephen Robles:And, Mike, Jason, tell me about this article.
Jason Aten:Well okay. So the backstory on this is that Sachin Nadella, who is Microsoft's CEO, was on the record saying that Google is the one who should have been the winner in the AI race, which is true. A 100% true. Google had the top to bottom stack. They had the models.
Jason Aten:They developed a lot of this stuff. They had the distribution, and they just didn't. And the reason that they just didn't is because they make a ton of money from search. Like, that's the super short version of the story. And they were just really apprehensive about putting out the stuff that just makes crap up.
Jason Aten:Like, that just didn't seem like a good thing if you're, like, trying to organize a world of information and make it useful to people. This just makes up its own information. So that just seemed like a bad thing. So Microsoft, like, made a made a point of Microsoft CEO made a point of, like, highlighting, like, Google should have won this and they didn't. Right?
Jason Aten:And so
Stephen Robles:Is he something like he wants to make Google dance? Like
Jason Aten:So, yes, he's on the record. Like, not only does he wanna make them dance, he wants everyone to know that they were the ones that made them dance. Right. Right. So now these are 2 very, like, chill at least their public personas are just very chill.
Jason Aten:Like, gosh. Like so that was a that was a real deep cut right there. And then, it was, like, a week or 2 ago at the DealBook Summit, which is the thing the New York Times puts on with Andrew Ross Sorkin, who is a columnist at the New York Times, but also is a host on CNBC. He does this thing every year, brings in a bunch of people. This year, he had, like, you know, Google CEO.
Jason Aten:He had, I think both Glenn was there. Sam Baldwin
Stephen Robles:was there. Downplaying a g I because he's
Jason Aten:Jeff Bezos was there, like, anyway, doing an hour long interview with Bezos. Anyway, so he asks, Sundar Pichai, who is Google CEO. He says, you guys were the originals when it came to AI. Where do you think you are relative to these other players, mostly Microsoft? And he says, I'd like to see a side by side comparison of their models and our models.
Jason Aten:And the reason he says that is because they don't have any like, Microsoft has some models, but they're terrible. They are using OpenAI's models. Right? Like, that's the point he's making is now really, like, sick burn. But the problem is it's also a self burn, and the reason is the difference is, yes, you guys were the originals in AI.
Jason Aten:Yes. You have models. Yes. You have all this. But what you don't have is, like, a product that has whatever 300,000,000 daily active users just out of nowhere, which is essentially what chat g p t has.
Jason Aten:And so I, I think it's, it's such an interesting interplay. You can tell that Google feels a lot of pressure or he wouldn't have even said that, because Google has the distribution. They have 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 of users. There's no reason why they shouldn't be completely dominating in this except for their own their decisions that they've made as a business.
Stephen Robles:Because they also have the mobile platform that's dominant around the world.
Jason Aten:Yeah. They do make some software that you might have heard of called Android.
Stephen Robles:Android. The dominant browser, the dominant search engine, the dominant video platform, like, creator like, they have so much dominant. That is yeah. That is wild. 1 so tangentially related, at that DealBook Summit, Sam Altman spoke.
Stephen Robles:He was kind of downplaying, AGI, but I listened to the decoder episode with the Microsoft AI CEO.
Jason Aten:Yep. And Danfah Zuleiman. Yep.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. And and Eli was, like, why you guys got 18 CEOs? Which is a valid question. But he was talking about Neil asked him the question, I guess, one of these stipulations because OpenAI and Microsoft had this deal, this partnership, and it seems like, correct me if I'm wrong, that if OpenAI were to achieve artificial general intelligence, AGI, that this deal with Microsoft could then like, they could basically split in some way from their partnership with Microsoft. Is that accurate?
Jason Aten:Okay. Well, we don't actually know all the terms, but that has been reported a bunch of times that when if that the original agreement was that because, again, opening I was meant to be a research lab in pursuit of of safe AGI. Profit. Yes. Safe AGI that would benefit the world.
Jason Aten:And then they realized they can make a crap ton of money doing this and then said forget about that. Like, we don't care about the other part. We wanna just make a bunch of money.
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:And there was talk that, like, okay, we need we need to we need compute power, we need a partner, we need money. So they went to Microsoft and part of the deal was that's fine. This you can you have a license to use all of this IP and all of these models until we get to AGI and you don't get to use that. Now it's been reported a lot that like that Sam Altman is they're trying to move the goalpost on when they declare AGI so he can get out of it. But here's the thing.
Jason Aten:Open AI is still gonna need compute. And right now they get all of that on Azure, which is Microsoft. Right? And most of the money that it's like $11,000,000,000 at this point that Microsoft has put into open AI is Azure credits. Right?
Jason Aten:They didn't just write a check necessarily. I mean, they they have given some money, but like a lot of it is credits for Azure and they're still going to need that. And it doesn't matter. Just saying we have AGI does not suddenly make you profitable. Open AI is not profitable even if it can get a lot of people to sign up for a $200 a month.
Jason Aten:It's like service. The thing is that $200 a month service probably isn't any more profitable because of the compute power that's required for whatever they're giving people, especially the o one pro model. Yeah. It's like, it's ridiculous. The amount of tokens that are required for that.
Jason Aten:So I don't I don't think I think that's, like, less of a thing because they could say we have AGI. The problem with, like, they may have a motivation to say, yeah, we've made it to a g I. And if you live in the decoder episode, he's like, I don't the CEO of Microsoft Day, I was like, I don't I mean, we could get there somewhere between 2 10 years. Right. That's a that's a very noncommittal range, 2 to 10 years.
Stephen Robles:Well, that's something Sam Albin has said recently that he believes we could reach AGI with current hardware, meaning, like, the NVIDIA chips and grab a card that whatever everybody's using today could run AGI. And Eli asked the Microsoft AI CEO that, and he was like, nah.
Jason Aten:Yeah. What basically, he's like, what do what he his exact response is, what does current hardware mean? Well, what do you mean by current hardware?
Stephen Robles:What do you mean? But yeah,
Jason Aten:he's like, we mean, like, I'm 40 nineties or whatever. Like, you know, but I think I think it's important to listen to what Sam Altman is saying in the context of he has to continue feeding the hype cycle because that is what continues to attract investor money. That is the thing that is going to get them going. That is the thing that maybe will get them more customers. But right now they're not even at the stage where like, every business shifts from, we have to do things that will get us investors and then you have to shift to we have to do things that will get us customers.
Jason Aten:And those are not always the same thing. In fact, they're often not the same thing. And they're not even really at the point where they're they're not they are not self sufficient based on their customer base yet. They are still based. They're still dependent on investors.
Jason Aten:And so they have to continue the promise. Like, I don't it's hard to compare the 2, but it's like a very similar thing that we see with someone like Elon Musk, where it's like full self driving is coming next week. I mean, next week. I mean, next week. I mean, we'll have a fleet of robo taxis by 2019 or whatever.
Jason Aten:Like, it's just like continuous, like, forward promises that keep people engaged. I think it's important to understand, like, if I think it would be devastating to open a I if one day if, like, the last day of the ship, miss Sam Altman comes out and he's, like, actually, o one pro is a g I. Like, I don't think anyone would take him seriously.
Stephen Robles:No. No one would. And so I I wanted to bring all that context because with Google talking about Gemini 2 point o, it does feel like there it is a tenuous relationship with OpenAI and Microsoft. I feel like that's obvious. Like, you just hear Sam Altman and Microsoft talk, and it's like, this is a partnership through necessity.
Stephen Robles:Like, they need each other right now. OpenAI needs the compute and the backing of Microsoft. Like Sundar Pichai might be saying, Microsoft does not have the models, and so they need OpenAI doing that stuff. And so, obviously, that's a tenuous relationship. And so Sundar Pichai over here is saying, like, that, like, we can like, this is us.
Stephen Robles:We got this. Right. I do think, heading into 2025, if, and this is the if when we get to our personal tech segment, if they could make Gemini to me and to more people as useful as ChatGPT, then I think they could have the opportunity to actually maybe move into that leading AI spot. And I say that because, like, if you think about AI today, we're in the tech bubble, but, like, users widely. If you say ChatGPT, most people will know who that is.
Stephen Robles:And they don't know OpenAI, but they know, like, what is AI? Oh, Chat gpt. Like, that's kind of the association. And so OpenAI has won this cycle of being associated with that, kind of like Q tip, Kleenex,
Jason Aten:whatever.
Stephen Robles:You know what I mean? And so Google has lost that up until now, but if what Sundar Pichai is saying is right, I think they might still have an opportunity to change that around. It just needs to be easier to access and use. Like, I don't use Gemini because, honestly, I don't even know where to go right now to
Jason Aten:use it.
Stephen Robles:I guess I go to gemini.com. Is that
Jason Aten:gemini.google.com will get you there. Or if you have the Google app on your phone, there's actually, like, a little star little tab at the top. So one of them is for Google search, and the other one is for Gemini.
Stephen Robles:Okay. But while you're while
Jason Aten:you're trying to figure this out, let me just tell you the most I don't know what that is.
Stephen Robles:This is gemini.com.
Jason Aten:That is not the website.
Stephen Robles:They need to however many 1,000,000 of dollars they need to spend, they should get gemini.com. Yeah. And then if I go to gemini.google.com.
Jason Aten:Yep. There you go.
Stephen Robles:Is that it? Okay.
Jason Aten:That is it?
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Yeah. But, like, I don't. Yeah, I don't wanna use this.
Jason Aten:Okay. So here's a this is the most devastating thing. Although it's nice, it says hello, Steven.
Stephen Robles:It does say hello.
Jason Aten:This is the most devastating thing that and Google should pay very close attention to this. My 13 year old, on a very regular basis, will say to me because he he's he's learning, like, code. He loves scratch. He's doing all the things. Yeah.
Jason Aten:Yeah. He wants to learn Python. But as he's building, like, games and stuff, like, very simple stuff, obviously, he has stopped using Google. Like, he doesn't he does not it is useless to him. He uses chat gpt constantly, and he does not have a chat chat gpt constantly, and he does not have a chat gpt account.
Jason Aten:He's just you going to chat.com, typing things in, getting the little piece of information he needs, and going back over to his thing. He he doesn't use Google for anything anymore. And Google is like, this is the Facebook problem. Right? Like, Facebook has this problem where if you go to the blue app, it's just people are age and older.
Jason Aten:Do you know? Like, I don't mean to go on a tangent, but do you know it is so weird nowadays if you get a friend request from someone on Facebook? Because one, you're like, you still use this. And 2, it's like, if we aren't already like, the window of time when it was socially acceptable to send a friend request to someone on Facebook, it ended out, like, 10 years ago.
Stephen Robles:So true. I have not set a a friend request. Yeah. Probably, like, 5.
Jason Aten:I have friends people I, like, genuinely know in real life and I would not send them a friend request on Facebook because it's the creepiest thing. Like, there are some people where I like I like I yeah. Anyway, it's just the point is the same thing with Google. They are going to lose an entire entire generation of people for whom it no longer meets their needs. And it goes back to the thing you showed earlier.
Jason Aten:Like, I don't get the thing I need. I just see a bunch of weird random stuff. Like, if I type in, how do I write this script in Python, which maybe that's not even a thing you should type. I don't even know anything about Python. And the thing you get is, like, a bunch of sponsored ads for Codecademy and whatever.
Jason Aten:Like, I don't I don't wanna buy a course. I just need someone to give me this quick answer.
Stephen Robles:Right. And and to your point too, my kids also, because they have it as a shortcut, have now defaulted to asking chat gpt things. Yeah. General knowledge, research Yep. Whatever.
Stephen Robles:And so, like, they are they are winning right now, but we'll see. Maybe next year it'll be different? But anyway, alright. Lightning round, that's not usually a
Jason Aten:We can do it.
Stephen Robles:We're talking
Jason Aten:about the we're talking
Stephen Robles:about the FBI messaging, and a warning about the, encryption thing. Wait. I just clicked your headline and just every load of the page. Anyway, tell okay. Tell me about the FBI thing.
Jason Aten:Hopefully, I get another click for that. But, so thanks. Just keep doing that. If you don't mind. Keep doing that if you would.
Jason Aten:But my timeline page just went way down, though, but that's okay. The bottom the bottom line to this is, you know, the FBI has been warning people that they should be using encrypted messaging apps instead of just not because of this Chinese hack called Salt Typhoon where they basically infiltrated AT and T and Verizon and another company that I think makes technology for telecoms. That that part part is not as important. It seemed really interesting. Like, people made a big deal about how the FBI is warning people to use encryption.
Jason Aten:And at the same time, the FBI is super against encryption on devices because they wanna be able to get into your stuff. And the the they have advocated on many times. I think it was Bill Barr, the attorney general under Trump, but he's not the only attorney general who's advocated this to be clear. But he was very on record. Like, tech companies should build in a backdoor to encryption so that we can get in if something if we need to get into it.
Jason Aten:And and, like, the argument they're making was, like, the same Bernardino shooter. Right? Like, it's not like these are not sympathetic figures that they're trying to get into their phone. So, objectively, the public is like, yeah. We think you should probably be able to get into that.
Jason Aten:And Apple's like, we can't. We just, it's not that we won't. We just literally can't because there's no way to do that. Encryption is encryption, and we don't have the key. Right.
Jason Aten:I found it really ironic that the way that the salt typhoon attack happened is because they just got through the back door that that was built into the wire to for wiretapping. Right? There is a legal infrastructure in this company where, you know, government agents can wiretap people's conversations and the attackers just win in the back door and now they have all of this stuff. And it's like, yeah, like, this is why companies like Apple and Google are like, we're not building a backdoor. Because if 1 if you make a backdoor for the good guys, anyone can get in the backdoor.
Jason Aten:And so I just found it extremely ironic, and it was hilarious to me. They're like yeah.
Stephen Robles:They, they fail Fail on that. Alright. Further lightning round, I just wanna talk about smart glasses for half a second because Amazing. The Meta Ray Bans, I I I chose poorly on my Black Friday, self purchase. I bought the Oura ring 4 instead of the Meta Ray Bans, and I've already I've already returned the Oura ring.
Jason Aten:This feels like exactly the thing that Steven Robles would do. I think you should've kept it and put it on your desk next to the rabbit r one and the humane AI AI pin. I'm not Come on.
Stephen Robles:We're not keeping any more weird gadgets. I returned that Oura ring. For some reason listen. This is not a review of the Oura ring, and I don't even know this is related. But for some reason, I started waking up more often in the night while I was wearing it.
Stephen Robles:I don't I don't really think it was a comfort thing. I will say when it's taking your heart rate or whatever, you know that green or red glow from your Apple Watch Yeah. Yeah. You see it on your finger. And for some reason, like, I saw it way more often in the middle of the night because, you know, it's on your hand.
Stephen Robles:And so I don't know I don't know what it was. I'm not gonna make a video about it, but anyway, I returned the Oura ring, and all that to say, I was between the Meta Ray Bans and the Oura ring on Black Friday, and I chose poorly. I should've gotten the Meta Ray Bans, and now I mean, I might still get them, but there's a now the Air Go Vision is a pair of smart glasses. They look like the Ray Bans, but not as cool. They have a camera, but these are powered by ChatGPT instead of Meta's AI.
Stephen Robles:So if you wanted ChatGPT glasses, you could get it. The reason why I didn't get the Meta Ray Bans, by the way, just to be clear, the the prescription, part of that was complicated. And people were like, oh, you just bring them to the optical outlets and get the lenses changed out. Like, you already lost me. Okay?
Stephen Robles:I wanna order it with my prescription, like I do my Warby Parkers right here. They haven't sponsored anything I've ever done, and yet people ask me all the time. Warby Parker, if you're listening.
Jason Aten:Right.
Stephen Robles:Sponsored. But anyway, I they just it was too complicated, and I was like, I don't wanna replace lenses. I don't so I didn't get it. So if Meta ever does this thing that the Air Go Vision does, which is just let me put my prescription in when I order so it actually arrives with my prescription in it, I will get the Meta Ray Bans. But now they're also talking about there might be new Meta Ray Bans next year, and I'm like, well, maybe I'll just wait.
Jason Aten:Just so you know, you can just go to LensCrafters, buy the Meta Ray Bans with prescription lenses.
Stephen Robles:Is it only LensCrafters, or is it where
Jason Aten:Well, LensCrafters is owned by Luxottica, which is who makes the frames, the the Ray Bans.
Stephen Robles:I also learned recently I think it was on a verge that the guys were Luxottica owns, like, every
Jason Aten:That's what I'm saying. They own LensCrafters. They own, like, all of those. Yeah. They own all they own all the manufacturing and all the distribution.
Stephen Robles:What a cabal.
Jason Aten:No. Like, literally, this is like the beers with diamonds. It these LensCrafters. I mean, it's it's exotica. Yep.
Jason Aten:A 100%.
Stephen Robles:That is yeah. My word. That is wild. Anyway, and also, Google might be making its own smart glasses, which if you didn't know, real ones know about the Google Glass. This is not something this is not the first time, although I guess this is different this is pretty different.
Stephen Robles:But that Project Astra inside Google, they might be making their own, Google Glasses, but not Google.
Jason Aten:It is it is Google. It is saying something like the it is a notch of pride. The Google Glass was the only thing still that was more like, is more notorious for wearing around than if you were to walk around with that humane AI pen on all the time.
Stephen Robles:Or the Apple vision pro. But, yeah, people don't
Jason Aten:walk around in public with the vision pro. Not anymore. They don't work. Not look like a tech pro. You would just look like a YouTuber, which is fine because the people who would do that are okay with it.
Jason Aten:Yep. That's exactly why I'm doing this.
Stephen Robles:Yes. Are you go first of all, we're we're both going to CES. I think
Jason Aten:it's the first time
Stephen Robles:we're saying that live on the show. And I think we're we're gonna record an episode at CES.
Jason Aten:From the show floor.
Stephen Robles:Live from the show floor?
Jason Aten:Steven's gonna say that even if we're in a hotel room. We're gonna be
Stephen Robles:in a hotel room.
Jason Aten:But still,
Stephen Robles:we're gonna
Jason Aten:I bet you I'm gonna I'm gonna reach out because I'm sure that there are some podcast studios. I'll I'll I'll see what I can come up with.
Stephen Robles:Oh, let's I'm very excited. So, anyway, we're both gonna be at CES. This is my first CES ever. I'm very excited. But 100% gonna wear the Apple Vision Pro on the plane.
Stephen Robles:Jason, bring it on the plane and wear it.
Jason Aten:Oh my gosh. I got I do have this this little case.
Stephen Robles:You got all the cases. They they sent you every accessory
Jason Aten:for
Stephen Robles:the guy who never leaves the house with it. True. It's a true
Jason Aten:I do have the best setup for traveling with something I never travel with. It that's true.
Stephen Robles:I actually ordered that Belkin strap, but it's not gonna come in till, like, maybe the beginning of January. So
Jason Aten:Really? Oh, man. It's that thing is fantastic. Maybe. I was actually so I'm flying to Arizona tonight for our first our daughter is playing in the National League quarter finals, for her soccer team.
Jason Aten:And I was like, that would be the time I would wear it on a plane when I could embarrass my teenage daughter.
Stephen Robles:If that's what motivates you, do it.
Jason Aten:That would be the but for CES, I could I could see bringing I feel like there would be other I could justify because it's, like, it's CES, and I could have, like Right. So maybe maybe I will do that.
Stephen Robles:We could be the 2 weirdos in Apple Vision Pros walking around to, like, the vacuum robot vacuum boots. This is my Belkin strap. It says order will be available soon. Hopefully, I get it before see. Yeah.
Stephen Robles:We'll see.
Jason Aten:I would send you mine, but then I would stop using it because it is the best thing that that has ever been made for the VisionPRO. It changes the game. Like, it it it's ridiculous, but it is, like, so much better.
Stephen Robles:Well, I'm excited to try it. I also want I'm excited to I have to actually charge it so I can update it to vision OS 2.2 because I wanna try the ultra wide max screen because everybody raves about that. But, anyway alright. Last thing before we get to personal tech, Apple listed its 2024 App Store award winners and there's a bunch of them on there, but well deserved. The overall winner, Kino.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Kino, the app by the makers of Halide, Luxe Optics. Kino is their video recording app for pro video where you can record ProRes to external SSD. You can do 4 k 120 now in their latest update, and they won app of the year. And, yeah.
Stephen Robles:Ben Sandovsky and Sebastian DeWitt, are behind the app, and I think well deserved. That's awesome.
Jason Aten:Yeah. I wanna say, first of all, absolutely well deserved. No one should take anything away from their win because they deserve that for on the iPhone. I do. I feel a little bit bad for them because they won.
Jason Aten:It's kind of like if you won the Super Bowl in a year when everyone else was not very good. Now that there weren't other good apps, but if you look at this list, like what if won the Apple Vision Pro app of the year? I think it's the only Apple Vision Pro app that was released this year. Like and then Lightroom won the Mac app of the year.
Stephen Robles:That is that is a little strange.
Jason Aten:I don't understand. First of all, there's nothing different about it except for the AI denoise, which, by the way, is, like, life changing. I've got a 100% the denoise, the AI powered denoise is maybe the best photo feature that's ever been. And I know we have a listener who works on Lightroom, so kudos to you. He I don't I I wish I could remember.
Jason Aten:I think it's Brian. So, like, fantastic. But is it really the Mac app of the year? Does it I feel like it's, like, saying more about Mac apps.
Stephen Robles:They had to do it this year because next year, it'll be pixel made or pro, but it'll be an Apple.
Jason Aten:Oh, that's honestly like true. They literally couldn't have picked your. Okay. Good point. I take it all back.
Jason Aten:Listen, I run for the Mac. I use it every day. It's fantastic. I'm not saying anything, but I just feel like it doesn't like all of these other ones are super interesting. Like some of them are, like, very boutique type apps and stuff, and then you have Adobe Lightroom.
Stephen Robles:I I will say what if did you try the what if app on Applevision?
Jason Aten:I actually have not.
Stephen Robles:It is pretty cool. Like, I like, that was the first time where I was like, you know what? This is a cool experience, and I would like, it was fun.
Jason Aten:Was it better than the Gucci app? Because I still think the Gucci app maybe it's because the Gucci app was first that that seems like
Stephen Robles:The Gucci app was a great experience, but it's not interactive.
Jason Aten:I mean, you also don't care because
Stephen Robles:it's just too much. You can, like, pick up a purse and turn it around, but, like, the What If app, you're, like, shooting lasers out of your hands.
Jason Aten:Like, choose your own adventure?
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Like, it feels very Gotcha. Interactive, like, half game, but it's not, like, pressure. Like, you don't have to worry about, like, dying in the game because it's it's more kind of a story. Anyway, I do think the what if app was really good.
Jason Aten:The only thing I want the Apple to do with the Vision Pro is to make the Avengers Tower environment available as an environment. Why can't people's why can't the environments within apps be available globally? That would be killer.
Stephen Robles:That would be nice. Yeah. Because Disney has a couple cool
Jason Aten:Yeah. I wanna just be sitting there in Avengers Tower clocking out my articles.
Stephen Robles:That would that would be pretty fun, actually. Alright. For a personal take, what AI are we actually using? Yeah. You have Apple Intelligence, you have Gemini, you have Claude, Perplexity, and obviously OpenAI, Chat GPT.
Stephen Robles:Jason, I know you probably use Image Playgrounds daily, but what AI tools do you use on the rig?
Jason Aten:I the 2 I use every single day are Whisper, which is powered by OpenAI. Right? And then, ChatDpt. I use them on a right, like well, I mean, I changed my default search to chat g p t.
Stephen Robles:That's true. That's true.
Jason Aten:But even beyond that, I use the chat the Mac app, like, 35 times a day. Like, I constantly am using it for different things. And I I use the whisper app to transcribe stuff, like, a lot. The only thing I don't like about the whisper app is it doesn't do speaker identification, which is a really important thing for me if I'm looking through let's because I a thing I do on a pretty regular basis is it's like, oh, there's this, interview at deal book summit that I should cover, but I don't have time to watch all these things. I can't sit and watch the deal book summer for 9 hours or whatever.
Jason Aten:So it's like, I will just, you know, find a way to get the video and have it locally on my computer without doing any, like, anyway. And then I just will dump that into I used to just dump it into Otter, which was fantastic because it would label and everything. Well, Whisper's way faster, but Whisper doesn't do speaker identification, which is kind of a bummer. So that but go ahead. Have you tried transcriptionists?
Jason Aten:I don't know what that is. So no.
Stephen Robles:It's actually the from the maker of ferrite.
Jason Aten:Oh, okay. Maybe I should try that. I just like whisper because it's, like, really fast.
Stephen Robles:I actually haven't tried whisper, to be honest. So I would have to try it too. But it's
Jason Aten:it's really fast. It's one thing that's funny is, like, if you put something into open a or to Otter, I like that you can then and so so I do this occasionally, but if I need something in in a hurry, another thing I'll do is I'll I'll take a transcript in whisper, and then I will just copy it into chat g p t with a question.
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:Like, what was the highlight of this? Or what was the what did so and so say about this thing or whatever it might be? Because sometimes you'll see an article, it'll be like, you know, Bob Iger said that the next CEO of Disney is going to be Iron Man, Tony Stark. Like, you know, like, wait, what was the context around that thing that he said? And I don't have time to, like, watch the whole video or whatever.
Jason Aten:So that's it. Sorry about that. My dog. I know. I always try to pause when that happens.
Jason Aten:So I get it anyway. Yeah. So those are the 2 I use all the time. Yeah. Apple Intelligence, not so much.
Jason Aten:I mean, I use it occasionally, but it is just there's just there's not the gen emoji is probably the part of it that I use the most.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. I would say the only Apple Intelligence I've used is, like, to summarize an article periodically. Like, I'll be in Safari. And if it's really long, I'll pull down reader mode and see what the summary said. Sometimes it's useful, sometimes not, but my thing is I don't wanna disrupt all my workflows just to use a different AI tool.
Stephen Robles:I was looking Google Gemini has an app for iPhone, but there's no Mac app, and I will say, if they had a Mac app like ChatGPT, I might be more inclined to try it, like, because it would be easier to access and, like, this is where I do all my work, but I use ChatGPT every day mostly because I can integrate it into shortcuts, and that's where it is most useful to me. Yeah. And so I will do things like take a transcript from a video, go to the ChatJPT app and ask it for, like, title ideas, description ideas, But more often, like, for once we're done recording here, I've talked about it before, but I basically copy the tab group links so I have all the articles we talked about. It formats show notes for me automatically. That's shortcuts.
Stephen Robles:And then it also I can select multiple headlines, and it sends those articles to ChatGPT to generate a title and description, and then I massage it after that. So that kind of integration where it can be part of automations that I use all the time makes it the most useful to me, and so I use JPG probably every day. I use the most integrated in shortcuts that I'm already using for things, and that's pretty much my use case. Apple Intelligence is known. Jim and I know.
Stephen Robles:I tried perplexity and Claude. I'm just, like, I don't again, like, they don't integrate where I want where I use stuff, and I don't wanna pay for another one.
Jason Aten:Yeah. And Claude is supposed to be the models are supposed to be better, but the experience is not better. And so I just don't find myself using it very much. I I I'd be happy to. The Mac app is not as good, and it does weird things like when you I don't know.
Jason Aten:And like, I a thing that I started doing just to sort of compare them is I'm like, because my my son keeps asking me questions about Python and I don't know anything about Python. So I was like, give me a 5,000 word starter on how to get started with Python. And and open a I did it or chappy d p t did it and stuff in quad though was doing the whole thing, and then it stopped at about 1800 words. And it's like, you've reached the maximum length. And I'm like, so here's the thing.
Jason Aten:Fine. If that's your maximum length, you should have formatted the article for 1800 words, not just stopped. You were, like, writing me a 5,000 word, and you just stopped that word 1801.
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:It's in the middle of an of a sentence. Like, it literally just stopped, and it's like, I don't know what to do with that.
Stephen Robles:That's not useful.
Jason Aten:That's like Yeah.
Stephen Robles:So we'll see. Again, Gemini, maybe they pull it out, next year. Okay. Okay. So we need to record a bonus episode.
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