New iPads Imminent, TikTok Ban Bill Passes, Hands-On with Humane Ai Pin
Download MP3They may take our TikTok, but they will never take our freedom. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. Today, Apple announced its next event. It's probably gonna be about iPads. It's let loose event.
Stephen Robles:We're gonna talk about that. The Congress and President Biden signed a bill that could ban TikTok here in the US. Plus there's a bunch of earning reports. Netflix is not gonna report subscribers anymore. And, yes, you probably see it if you're watching on YouTube.
Stephen Robles:I'm wearing the humane AI pin. So, yes, we must talk about that as well. This episode is brought to you by you, those who support us directly. I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles. And joining me, no pin, maybe he'll get one.
Stephen Robles:Who knows? No, he's not gonna get one. My friend, Jason Aitin. How's it going, Jason?
Jason Aten:It's good. I don't have a pen, but I have learned a lot about websites this week. So I'm I'm feeling good about myself.
Stephen Robles:Jason, you just, like, fish for trolls every week. You're just fishing for trolls over on thread. You're just throwing it out there. Well Hold on. Let me ask them.
Jason Aten:Go ahead. Oh, I was just gonna say what I realized is that on threads, the well intentioned nature of people doesn't always mix with my sarcastic habit. And I think because I just have pretty much I haven't ignored threads. I just haven't built that up as an audience because no one who's responded to this particular post about the box that tells you to keep me logged in on a on websites, which does not mean that, by the way. But no one who's responded to that is actually someone who follows me.
Jason Aten:So the algorithm is just saying there's a whole bunch of people who wanna talk to you about browsers and cookies, and I'm like, thank you. Thank you so much.
Stephen Robles:For what it's worth, I thought that was a funny thread. You know, know, it's one of those things you just throw out there that log me in you know, keep me logged in checkbox never works. And they just need there needs to be a sarcastic sarcasm. A sarcasm meter on every post just so people can see, because not not everybody understands sarcasm.
Jason Aten:Well, also, I think you should just assume that if someone posts a question like that, you know, that says, what does this checkbox mean? Because it clearly doesn't mean keep me logged in. You should just assume that the person is not begging you to explain, you know, cookies and browser settings and how the Internet works, especially if that person is a tech columnist who's written about browsers and cookies and that kind of thing for a living for a while. So but these people don't know.
Stephen Robles:Pedigree does not play into social media. I could tell you that. Right.
Jason Aten:I'll tell you that. So
Stephen Robles:So we have we have some housekeeping we wanna do. A couple 5 star review shout outs. Thank you to those who leave us 5 star reviews in Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Eeyore Hoop, that's a 5 star review. Thank you for that.
Stephen Robles:And Logan Pritchett o one, battery percentage on. That's okay. I won't hold it against you, but thank you.
Jason Aten:There's been quite a few of those lately. I just wanna be clear.
Stephen Robles:There's been there's been quite a few. I need a battery percentage on this humane AI pin. I could tell you that because this thing dies fast.
Jason Aten:Well, it make it through the end of the show. That's a that's gonna be the challenge.
Stephen Robles:Oh, let's see. Let's do a battery check. Hold on. What's your battery at?
Humane Ai Pin:88%. Booster 83%.
Stephen Robles:So it's weird because it tells you the battery percentage of the PIN and then the booster. So you always have to remember it's in that order. So we'll we'll see. We'll we'll do a check-in at the end of the show.
Jason Aten:But those two things are not equivalent. Right? It's not like you have 80 whatever the average of those two things is total because the the onboard battery is much smaller than the booster. Right?
Stephen Robles:Correct. Okay. I to be clear, this is the humane AI pin. I still have no idea how the battery works because last night, I I charged the boosters because I did my unboxing. I was using it.
Stephen Robles:We're gonna talk about this in the personal tech area. We're not doing a whole segment
Jason Aten:of humane
Stephen Robles:AI pen. But last night I was using it and I asked her what the battery was. It said 10% battery, 90% booster. I was like, okay. Well, then I should be good.
Stephen Robles:Like, I would think the booster just charges the pin and we're we're good to go, and then 10 minutes later I go to ask if something and just nothing happens because it died. And I I didn't realize, I guess, like, the booster and the pin I I don't know how it works. I honestly have no idea. And then if it fully dies, you have to put it on the charger for, like, 20 minutes before it, like, wakes up again. And even after it has some charge, you have to wait like, it anyway.
Jason Aten:It's it's kinda like a Roomba. If it gets stuck underneath your table, you gotta take it back to its base, let them take a nap, and then If you gotta let
Stephen Robles:it it's confused about where it is.
Jason Aten:Go back
Stephen Robles:and do
Jason Aten:its thing. Yeah.
Stephen Robles:It doesn't understand. So anyway, alright. We we gotta talk about the Apple event, but I do wanna do 2 quick housekeeping things. Number 1, I sprung an entire community on Jason on Monday and on everyone because I just I was I was excited to do it, and so I did it. But I've been wanting to find a place, well, I've been talking about it the last couple episodes, where all of you, those who listen, those who watch, where we can engage with each other and talk and comment and then not be on an algorithmic platform because people will email us sometimes, we get threads, we get x replies, and it's hard to like, these people it would be great if everybody knew each other and could, like, actually interact in one platform.
Stephen Robles:So that's what we did. It's actually called a circle community. It's completely free. You don't have to pay to be a part of the community. You can go to social dotprimarytech.fm, and I'll put the URL obviously in the show notes.
Stephen Robles:You could just click it there. But honestly, I immediately loved this because it's a singular place where the entire audience, Jason and I, are in there, where we can interact, and there's these things called spaces on the left. I'm I'm new to Circle. I've never created a Circle community before, but I've seen other creators use it, and it seemed like the perfect tool. And and, frankly, I think it's working well.
Stephen Robles:So there's an episode discussion space where only me and Jason can post, and what we'll do is we'll post the new episode every week here, just kind of like a regular post, and then everyone can comment on it. So we can all engage. If you have thoughts about something specific in the episode, you can comment on that post. Then there's a space called conversations where anybody can post. You can post a conversation.
Stephen Robles:I kinda did some behind the scenes pictures and stuff. I posted the Apple event, and then, look, 26 comments. That's more comments than I get on threads and x together on a post, which is amazing, and it's all people who listen to the show, which is amazing. So conversations anyone can post. You can post listeners, viewers, everybody.
Stephen Robles:There's a say hello tab where people can introduce themselves. That's just been amazing to see the audience engaging. Someone from Panama, is in there, listens to the show, and was engaging, and so I know there's lots of international listeners. We'd love to have you in there too. So it's completely free to join.
Stephen Robles:We'd hopefully have it in there. Right now, we already have 45 members, and all I did was post, like, once or twice about it. And so we're hoping after this episode we fill it up. This is a paid service, just to be clear. And so the the version the tier that I'm on now maxes out at a 100 members.
Stephen Robles:If we hit that, like, tomorrow after this episode post because so many of you just wanna be a part of it, I will upgrade us, and then we just need a bunch of you to start supporting the show too. But but I will upgrade it because then there could be unlimited members. And I would love for many people to be in here, and I'm gonna talk about numbers in a second, for this show, do the other housekeeping thing. But anyway, I would love to have everyone part of the community. I think it's really fun, and there's a there's a iPhone app you can download, so you can just do it on your phone, and, I don't know.
Stephen Robles:You're in there too, Jason. You joined.
Jason Aten:I well, I felt like I wasn't going to let Steven have this all to himself because I felt like bad things would happen.
Stephen Robles:So I
Jason Aten:was like, yeah. I feel like I it's got my name on it. I should probably be in there.
Stephen Robles:Yes. Yes. So it's a lot of fun. So, anyway, that's the community. This is gonna be ongoing.
Stephen Robles:And to the second point of housekeeping, you know, we had someone reach out talking about subscription fatigue, basically, and they were like, you know, $5 a month supporting the show compared to other shows. Like, if you pay Wondery $5 a month, you get, you know, ad free versions of a bunch of shows and things like that. And so, number 1, those of you who support us, we are so thankful, and we actually, you know, want to plan future benefits. The Circle community is part of that. It offers ways to, like, paywall certain benefits, and and those of you who already support the show will be able to access that.
Stephen Robles:So that's long term. I think of our show as, like, version 1.5 right now. You know, this circle community, like, we're not at version 2 yet, And so I'm excited for what the future holds. But, also, if you look at a lot of other tech shows out there, many of them are part of networks or publications. So either it's a website that's been long standing that has a podcast, or you have, like, the Vox Media Network, you have, you know, the Vergecast network of shows, things like that.
Stephen Robles:And we're one of the few, like, totally independent, like, we're not part of anything anywhere, like, we're it's just us. It's just us here. And so it's amazing that many of you have come to listen and watch. And so when you think about, like, Starbucks versus a bespoke cafe, sometimes you might pay a little more for a cafe, and because it's bespoke and it's singular kind of thing. And so that's how I think about it.
Stephen Robles:And again, if we lower the price for the monthly thing but then add benefits in the future, it's awkward to, like, raise the price. So if you can't do $5 a month or obviously you have subscription fatigue, I totally get it. Like, I have the same. I just added Hulu to Disney plus so I could watch Shogun, and I hated doing it. But but I did it.
Stephen Robles:So but I totally get it. You can still support the show just by watching, just by listening. And the other point I'll make is, right now, you know, not a lot of podcasts are transparent about numbers, but we'll be transparent with you right now. We get about 2,000 downloads per episode here on Primary Technology, which is amazing. That's like top 5% of podcasts.
Stephen Robles:Most podcasts do not get that many. Plus, we have several 100 views on YouTube. YouTube is algorithmic, so it changes all the time. There's, oh, like, 2,000 of you out there, which is incredible. Thank you.
Stephen Robles:That's amazing. Sponsors for podcasts typically don't start looking at a show until it gets to 10,000 downloads per episode. And so when it comes to, like, revenue generated by ads, we're not there yet. It might take a while, and so that's one of the reasons why we really appreciate those who support the show directly. But, again, just listening, downloading, watching is huge.
Stephen Robles:Once our YouTube channel gets to a 1000 subscribers, then the channel can be monetized and we could make AdSense revenue from there. It'll probably be, like, $10 a month, but just starting out, you know, version 1.5. And so thank you to those who do it. And a great way, if you can't do the subscription or, you know, just not there for you, then share the show. You know, get the word out.
Stephen Robles:Word-of-mouth is still one of the number one ways that podcasts reach a wider audience, and so that could help us that helps a lot too.
Jason Aten:Well, I was just gonna say, like, to reiterate, we super appreciate everyone who supports the show. We really do. Both in terms of monetarily, but also if you're telling your friends about the show, if you're sharing it on social media, if you wanna contribute to the community like that, those things are really helpful. I I can certainly understand as someone who, like, is constantly thinking, do I need this service anymore? Right?
Jason Aten:Like, we I mean, we are one of the few people that canceled Netflix, like, a year and a half ago because we're just like, when's the last time we opened that app? I don't it was like to watch Ozarks or, like, it was like a while ago. Okay.
Stephen Robles:Yeah.
Jason Aten:I can completely understand that. I do think the and so if you don't feel like the value is there, like there's no hard feelings, please just keep listening to the free show. We're so thankful for that. The only argument I would make that would make it different is, like, if you could pay $5 a month for Wondery, that's great. But as Steven mentioned, like, there's just a totally different kind of scale there.
Jason Aten:Like, you know, if they have a if they have a million or a 100,000,000, I don't even know how many wonder he has. That's just a totally different kind of an operation. And, you know, will this show get there? Like, that'd be wonderful. I enjoy doing this and it'd be really great to have, that many people listening, but it's it's it's hard to compare the 2.
Jason Aten:I know that when you are just making a payment out of your checking account or on your credit card, like, it's all just dollars. I totally get that. Right. But it would just be really hard to think, like, well, what is the value of our time to do that? And I just like I said, I there's no hard feelings if someone doesn't think that it's worth $5 a month.
Jason Aten:That's great. Like, just keep listening, please. And we'll hopefully we'll hopefully convince you over time just by continuing to build that audience and have you feel like, gosh. I like what these guys are doing. I want them to keep doing it, and I just wanna support that.
Jason Aten:So
Stephen Robles:Absolutely. And and our goal my goal is, like, I just wanna make one of the best tech podcasts out there. I just want it to be one of the best that you enjoy listening to, that you get value from, that you can understand the news, and you can also be entertained and have fun and I think we have that on the show. So Yeah. Let's get into it, Jason.
Jason Aten:Alright.
Stephen Robles:Let's talk about the news because Apple finally, their first this is their first official event, right, of the year because Apple Vision Pro is like a press release.
Jason Aten:It's for sure.
Stephen Robles:It's like it's going on sale and that was it. So this is the first official Apple event of the year. They announced it. It is let loose is the tagline and it's happening on Tuesday, May 7th at 7 AM Pacific, which is 10 AM Eastern, earlier than most other Apple events. Usually Apple events are at 10 AM Pacific, 1 PM Eastern.
Stephen Robles:So early event, the event invite image has an Apple Pencil in the invite. I don't know the last time something was so plainly obvious like Apple Pencil. Obviously this is an iPad event. Gonna talk about what we can expect, what we're hoping for. And even Sir Tim Cook.
Stephen Robles:He's not really a sir. I don't know if it's legal to call him Sir Tim Cook. Don't come after me, whatever royal family. Pencil us in pencil us in. Look at that pun.
Stephen Robles:Pencil us in for May 7th. There you go.
Jason Aten:Steven, I know that you think that this is trolling, but I actually looking at this think that my, my prediction might be more supported by this, which is that what if Apple is just holding an event to introduce an Apple Pencil that you can use with your vision pro to draw on free form boards? Now, listen, I know you think that's ridiculous. And so do I accept wouldn't it be awesome if you could do that? Because the one thing the apple that the vision pro could use is an interactive device that you could, like, you know, without just having to pinch and swipe and do things, like, on a on a free form board, having an Apple pencil support would be pretty pretty amazing. So
Stephen Robles:Yeah. No. This is not gonna be just a pencil event. Although that would be the biggest troll, a 5 minute Apple video.
Jason Aten:Yeah. Well, it wanna introduce. I know that the 7 AM Pacific time thing is seems weird. But if you remember the MacBook well, the m three event, which was mostly MacBook Pros and then also the Imax was like a 7 PM event. And so for these video only, meaning they're just streaming this.
Jason Aten:There's no to my knowledge, there's no in person, element of this at all. One of the funny things is when, you know, when you receive one of these as a member of their media, you can read it closely to try to decide, like, are you watching an, an in person event, or is this only gonna be online? And then the first thing you do is you go and you look at other people who have shared it and you're like, oh, no. Their wording is the same. So
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Aten:I'm not actually missing out.
Stephen Robles:Because there's been a couple of events in the past where the wording was, like, join us in person at Apple Park. Right. But then some some people get that invite, and then other people are, like, join us live
Jason Aten:Yeah.
Stephen Robles:To watch on our website. Yeah. It's like okay well that's that's not the same thing. Yes. Apparently apparently if you refresh this page on the, the Apple event page, I don't know if it was on this or a different page, it would like show different, graphics or imagery.
Stephen Robles:I guess it's not happening here. Mhmm. Maybe it's the home page. Let me try it. If you go to youtube.com/atprimarytechshow, it's the home page, which has the Apple event at the very top.
Stephen Robles:Right now, it's like a green Sketch type Apple logo. You can refresh the page and then it's like the swirly blue. You refresh again. It looks like the iPad Air. See, this is I don't wanna read too many tea leaves, but this looks a lot like the April 20th event from, like, 3, 4 years ago where they announced the iPad Air.
Stephen Robles:I think it's 3 years ago. So I'm just saying
Jason Aten:I mean,
Stephen Robles:iPad Air, iPad Pro. Okay. Here's what we can expect. Here it is. We're gonna get an iPad Pro, new iPad Pro.
Stephen Robles:It's gonna have an M3. It's gonna have an OLED screen. I am hoping beyond hope they move the camera to the landscape side. We'll see. New generation Apple Pencil.
Stephen Robles:It's in the invite, and the new Magic Keyboard. And I'll be I'll be happy with that. I think that
Jason Aten:Okay. Two questions. 1, why does anybody care about OLED in the iPad? Just real question. And then the second one is, why do we need a new magic keyboard?
Stephen Robles:Function row of keys on the magic keyboard.
Jason Aten:Okay. That's Better. That's a fair point.
Stephen Robles:Angular angular, the the increase of the angular angularity. I
Jason Aten:need increased angularization.
Stephen Robles:Increase increase the angularization. Increase the angularization, function of keys, and, you know, maybe some colors? I don't know. Okay. Probably.
Jason Aten:I was just curious because, I mean, the magic keyboard is pretty good, but I was thinking, you know, a slightly larger trackpad would be nice. But the function row and I really had not thought about the angularizations, but I I agree that that would be a thing. Okay. But the OLED Yeah. So, like, it the 12.9 has a mini LED display.
Stephen Robles:It's a beautiful screen. I'm I'm hoping that this year, the iPad Pros come into parity so the 11 inch and the 12.9 inch have the same display because up until this point, it's always been mini LED on the larger one and then not on the 11 inches So I'm hoping may you know, maybe OLED creates feature parity among the displays. Honestly, because I want to go with an 11 inch. That's that's really my goal. I think I want to go 11.
Stephen Robles:Because I've been using this guy for the past 6 months. Here's my iPad mini. I edit this podcast on this tiny little screen with this Apple pencil and, I think I want to go 11 inch. The nice in between size. So I think we're gonna see iPad Air as well.
Stephen Robles:Someone on social media, hopefully, you know, if you're gonna comment on these episodes, just do it in our circle community. This way we can find it all. But they said iPad Air might go M2 rather than M3 to differentiate more from the iPad Pro, which the M2 is plenty powerful. I could see that. I feel like that makes sense.
Stephen Robles:Maybe iPad Air also moves the camera but keeps the same screen and then no promotion. Maybe that. And, do you think do you think listen. Everyone's wanting it. Do you think we're gonna get a new iPad mini?
Stephen Robles:A refreshed iPad mini?
Jason Aten:No. I mean, I would like one, but I don't think that I would
Stephen Robles:like them to you.
Jason Aten:I just I I don't think that they I don't think they sell enough of them because the small iPad is not the cheapest iPad. If If you were just looking for an iPad for your kid, you're buying the 9th gen. Right? Or maybe the 10th gen, but you're probably buying the 9th gen, to be perfectly honest. We bought a new iPad to replace the 2nd gen iPad air, and we just bought a 9th gen iPad because it's, like, it's a 150 times faster, and it's, you know, 339 or $49.
Jason Aten:And it's perfectly capable, and all my kid uses it for us to play Minecraft. And it's like, you're gonna burn this thing up in 18 months. I'm not spending any more money on it. But the mini, like, I have an iPad mini. I think it's great.
Jason Aten:I I should not have gotten a white case for it because that's gross. But but the I think the iPad mini is is fantastic. I just Yeah. I don't need an I don't need an iPad mini and an 11 inch iPad pro, and I'm always gonna use the 11 inch iPad pro. Like, that's my favorite iPad ever.
Jason Aten:So
Stephen Robles:Yeah. I would I would be hard pressed if they did update the mini to get both an 11 inch Pro and a Mini. I wouldn't rock like that. Yeah. I think one iPad is good for me and if it was the 11 inch, I would do that.
Stephen Robles:So I do hope that the base model because up until this point the cheapest iPad has been the 9th gen, which is still a home button style iPad at $329 And then they have the I think it's $400 model that is, you know, the actual USB C cameras on the landscape side of the iPad. The only iPad with that camera uses the weird USB C pencil, but, you know, I'm hoping maybe that comes down to be, like, the base model. Like, maybe that comes down to, like, the 3.49 price range. So then the cheapest iPad is the new style, no home button iPad, and the home button iPads fade away into the distance. Although they'll live around forever on Amazon, and I'm like, 3rd party market.
Jason Aten:Yeah. I mean, if they're still selling the M1 MacBook Air at Walmart, they're gonna keep selling the 9th gen iPad pro or iPad, excuse me, until, like, eternity, like, forever.
Stephen Robles:Forever. Dollar Tree. One day, Dollar Tree.
Jason Aten:I don't know. I mean, but here's the thing. Like, it is still the homebound doesn't bother me. It's still such a great, honestly, design. And for for for younger kids who just need a space to grip onto.
Jason Aten:Right? It's actually great to have the chin and the forehead on it. So, you know, I think I think that they'll be around for a while. So No.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. No. You're probably right.
Jason Aten:Because I do it.
Stephen Robles:So that's
Jason Aten:Well, the reason I asked is because you talked about Ola. I just talked about my the only really thing I care about is the camera. Put the camera in the right spot, and I'll buy one. Like, I don't even you can even put the m two in it again. I don't care.
Jason Aten:Like, just if you just re if they re if they introduced an iPad Pro with the exact same display, exact same processor, everything, and they raised the price by $50 to do the engineering for the magnetic, I'll still buy it because I just want that camera in the right spot.
Stephen Robles:See, I I I feel the same way with the 11 inch having the good screen. I want the 11 inch to have a good screen.
Jason Aten:Yeah. I want it to, but I don't care if you give me the camera Okay. Because I've got this Pixel tablet.
Stephen Robles:Oh, he's got a Pixel tablet. He's he's reaching over, getting the tablet.
Jason Aten:Base. It gets stuck to the base. Oh. I mean, it's it's a magnetic base, but even it has the camera in the right place. Everyone knows They
Stephen Robles:all do.
Jason Aten:Where the camera goes. It goes right there. Just apple, if you're watching, this is where the camera goes. It's it's this perfect spot. So
Stephen Robles:And I thought, what are the new pencil?
Jason Aten:I'm not even
Stephen Robles:I'm curious
Jason Aten:what you're gonna do with it. Back on the base. I'm just gonna throw it over here. Okay.
Stephen Robles:Because the green apple pencil is, like, really good. I'm curious how they will improve it. Maybe it'll have some touch sensitive thing on the back so you can, like, flip it over and erase, you know, because right now you can double tap the side, but but it uses, like, the accelerometer to register those taps, and it's a little wonky sometimes. I don't even really do that.
Jason Aten:It always works for me. People talk about, like, we need a physical button, and I'm, like, really? I've I use an Apple Pencil all the like, every day, and I've never once been like, I need a more reliable way to, you know, to tap on this thing.
Stephen Robles:I don't want a physical button. I would do a capacitive button. But again, you'd probably mistouch that all the time. Yeah. So you don't wanna do that.
Stephen Robles:Anyway, I'm excited for an Apple event, excited for Ipads, May 7th. Let us know in the community if, you know, before Jason in a previous life, I would always do a recap podcast after the event. Now now we've never done this before. This is the first time we have an Apple event after doing the show. I mean, do you write stuff right after an event?
Stephen Robles:Do you, like, do, like, recaps for ink?
Jason Aten:So it depends on the if I'm at an in person event, I will usually write something to publish that afternoon. If I'm not, I will often depending on what it is, like, new iPads, I don't know if I would write something like that afternoon. I usually would think about it and publish something the following morning.
Stephen Robles:Okay. Because I because I'm wondering. I mean, that early in the day Yeah. We could do, like, emergency podcast recording. That's true.
Jason Aten:Maybe try a
Stephen Robles:livestream for the first time. Let us know. Let us know what you would like to see in the comments of this episode in our community. Wanna get to the TikTok ban, but I wanna cover a couple of other Apple things because so many news articles this past week were like, Apple Vision Pro, the Apple's cutting the shipments on Apple Vision Pro because it's not selling. And then there was like backlash to the backlash.
Stephen Robles:All those articles, by the way, are based off this one mingchiquomedium post.
Jason Aten:Right. I didn't
Stephen Robles:realize he was post I didn't realize he was posting on Medium now. I guess, I thought it was like secret newsletters before that you had to like, I don't know, pay some guy and say a password in a door. Anyway, he's just posting on Medium now, so it's public. We'll put this link in the show notes. But this is Ming Chi Kuo, and he was saying, number 1, Apple has cut its 2024 Vision Pro shipments to 400 to 450,000 units versus the market consensus of 7 to 800 units or more.
Stephen Robles:So every article that you saw about Apple cutting Apple Vision Pro shipments were based on this one bullet point from a medium post from Ming Chi Kuo. I just wanna, like, lay that out there. Yep. Just plainly lay that out there. It's not like he says sources or whatever.
Stephen Robles:This is just Ming Chi Kuo riffing on Medium. And then I thought it was interesting, there was kind of a response post from David Heaney. I'm not familiar with him, but he basically put together some other links, basically saying, as recently as February, Ming Chi Kuo said Apple's target for the year was 1 50 to 200000 unit sales for Apple Vision Pro, and he said in January that Apple sold almost 200,000 preorders already. So there seems to be some inconsistency maybe with, Ming Chi Kuo's thought processes here. So I would just encourage everyone, when you see these headlines flood the Internet, understand they're based off a single bullet point of a Medium post, and even then might be, I don't know, suspect?
Stephen Robles:How do you feel about this?
Jason Aten:Well, okay. It is I agree that there that the backlash to the backlash to the backlash was probably just blown out of proportion, but that is by definition what backlash to the back. It's kinda just you have to blow out of proportion or else what's the point of it?
Stephen Robles:In order.
Jason Aten:What's the point of the backlash? Right? It's just The order of operations.
Stephen Robles:It's like pimped up.
Jason Aten:No lash, it's just the back. I don't know. Anyway. But I do think that if you read this carefully, it's I don't think that there's a inconsistency because in the medium post, what he's saying is that according to the, his survey, right? Meaning the people he's talked to, which are in the supply chain, right?
Jason Aten:That Apple's cut it to 400 to 450 versus the market consensus of 700 to 800 units. So what he's saying is that, like, the the suppliers were expecting it to be a certain number and that Apple maybe is only expecting a smaller number. And if you look back at the previous posts where he's predicting that, like, I don't think that Ming Chi Kuo is necessarily positing, like, his own philosophy here. He's just talking about what he's hearing from people. And if he's hearing from 30 different people and he publishes 3 different takes, that, that to me isn't surprising, right?
Jason Aten:Because not like this is all like a game of telephone and it's like multiple games of telephone and we're just hearing what's at the end of that. And so I don't necessarily, I I don't think this gives us any information about whether or not the apple vision pro is performing the way apple thinks it should or not. Like, I just don't think that that's the case. I don't know that you can draw those conclusions. I think that what's fair is apple never expected to sell a million of these things the 1st year, and that possibly it expects to ship fewer of them than it originally planned.
Jason Aten:I think that's the only thing that we maybe can take away from this. So
Stephen Robles:Yeah. And I will you know, I was at an Apple store this past weekend. I was at the Mall of Millennia in Orlando, Florida, and they have a big Apple store, like, real big. That puts our brand in Apple Store to shame. This thing is like 4 to 8 times as large.
Stephen Robles:And so I, you know, I took some pictures of the store, as you do, and so I'm trying to pull it up here. I'll put the link to this, threads post in the show notes. All links in the show notes, of course. This was the Apple Vision try on area at the Mall of Millenia. Not huge, but you know there's people trying it and there's people wearing them and stuff.
Stephen Robles:In my Apple Tower Theater vlog I also showed their try on area which much less much less people although that was
Jason Aten:like on
Stephen Robles:Thursday or whatever.
Jason Aten:Sorry. The the writer in me insists Oh, yes. That we okay.
Stephen Robles:Much fewer. Much fewer. Anyway, I mean, we'll see. I don't I think it's interesting we'll get to later when companies report on their numbers and sales. You know, Apple's never gonna say how many Vision Pros they've sold, I don't think, in a future earnings call, but we'll see.
Jason Aten:Yeah. The only reason they would do that is if they sold twice as many as they thought, and you would know if that was the case because you just wouldn't be able to get them anywhere.
Stephen Robles:That's a good point.
Jason Aten:And the fact that they finally sent me a reviewing unit says they had a couple extra laying around.
Stephen Robles:We got some laying around.
Jason Aten:I mean, I'm really thankful. I'm not throwing any like, I'm not complaining.
Stephen Robles:No. No.
Jason Aten:No. It just seems obvious to me that there was some there's a feeling around.
Stephen Robles:I just I love the picture of, like, Tim Cook in that beautiful office that we saw in the variety, article or Vanity Fair Vanity Fair article. And there's just, like, a stack of boxes in the corner and it's all fish and pearls. He's, like, hey, can we get these out of here? Can we send these to
Jason Aten:Could you send one of these to Jason?
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Send one of these to that that guy over at, I think. The other guy. Mhmm. Send one to the other guy.
Jason Aten:That's exactly how this conversation happened, at least in my head.
Stephen Robles:That's exactly what happened. Alright. Last last Apple thing before we get to the TikTok ban, it released Apple released another one of these like white papers where it's doing research about large language models. This latest one I thought was interesting. I ought to be honest.
Stephen Robles:I did not read this. There's a lot of technical jargon in here, a lot of numbers and math. But the base model was that this is a large language model that can run locally on device. And I think that's a key point when we look towards WWDC, what is Apple going to announce with iOS 18 and the digital assistant, and running on device I think is a big deal because Apple is always about privacy and security. They've moved more onto device in years, things like the speech to text.
Stephen Robles:You know, they used to be a cloud based thing, and then I think it was in iOS 16 or 17 they moved that on on device, so it transcribes there. So that's all I thought was interesting.
Jason Aten:Yeah. I didn't read it either. I have no idea what any of it means except that hopefully Siri will get better. Like, that's really the only thing
Stephen Robles:we need
Jason Aten:to know. Just tell me when Siri will get better.
Stephen Robles:And I I will say well, I'll save I'll save it to a personal tech center because I did a little side by side with this, the pen, and Siri. And I just, I guess, resolved not to ask Siri things because I thought it was bad, like it was just kind of a preconceived notion. I was surprised at how much Siri can do now. Mhmm. I'll just say that.
Stephen Robles:I was surprised at how much Siri can do. We'll do some live demos on air, because, I don't know. Maybe that'll go well. Maybe not.
Jason Aten:I learned the other day that Siri will open apps for you. I I learned this
Stephen Robles:They'll open apps?
Jason Aten:That Yeah. And, yeah. Although my HomePod get really confused when you ask them to open apps. They don't know which target.
Stephen Robles:Well, in here I think there is a stark difference of using the assistant directly on your iPhone or even your Apple Watch versus a HomePod because I have really bad luck with the HomePods. Yeah. Like just simple commands. But but when you do it on device, because I've been testing it a lot the last day because I've been comparing it to the pin, very different.
Jason Aten:Yeah.
Stephen Robles:Very different. I'll just say that.
Jason Aten:Yeah. Asking Siri on your HomePod to do things is like asking your dog to tie its shoes. It's like, I don't have those part. Like, that's not a thing.
Stephen Robles:I don't have those parts.
Jason Aten:What are you asking me?
Stephen Robles:I don't have I don't have an opposable thumb. The homepod is like, what? No thumbs. No hands. Right.
Stephen Robles:I got no hands.
Jason Aten:I have no hands. Why are you asking me to do things?
Stephen Robles:I I got no apps. There's no apps here. I'll
Jason Aten:play you music. What song? Can I just pick a song, please? This is what I can do.
Stephen Robles:Exactly. That's hilarious. Alright. We're gonna get to the TikTok band real quick because, like we said at the beginning of the show, the show is largely pretty much all supported by you, our members. I wanna thank our members and for those of you who don't support the show directly, you can you can rewind and listen to our reasoning about supporting the show, but this will be quick.
Stephen Robles:I'll just say you can support us directly in Apple Podcasts, and that's great. That's amazing. I will say as we look towards the future and supporting the show meaning more benefits, if you support via Memberful, which you can do at primary tech dot f m and then click the bonus episodes, or you could just click the link in the podcast show notes, the Memberful integrates directly with Circle. And so though there is there could be a future integration there where when you already support the show via Memberful, whatever benefits we come up with to do in the Circle, app, whatever, the social platform, that you'll get those benefits automatically. And then for the Apple Podcast supporters, we're gonna have to do some rigmarole like I did last time, which is like, save the secret passphrase that only those who can listen to the bonus episode can hear.
Stephen Robles:And it worked last time but I don't know. Well, you know. Anyway, so you can support the show directly at Memorable Apple Podcasts. $5 a month, $50 a year. And if you can't support the show, we appreciate you listening and watching.
Stephen Robles:Subscribe to the YouTube channel. We're trying to get to a 1,000 pretty soon over there. And share the show with your friends, your family. Even if they don't enjoy tech, just force them to listen to it. Put it on as we head into the holiday you know, I said head into the holidays like Thanksgiving's next week.
Stephen Robles:I don't know what I'm thinking. July 4th, I guess. Put it on in July 4th.
Jason Aten:Give somebody a gift of membership for Labor Day. Memorial Day.
Stephen Robles:Memorial Day, which that seems weird. So maybe not Memorial Day. Maybe do, I don't even know. This, this spot has gone off the rails. So, anyway, we're gonna get to the TikTok rant.
Stephen Robles:Thank you for those who support the show and for those who will support the show very soon.
Jason Aten:Just think if you remember, you wouldn't have had to listen to any of that.
Stephen Robles:Exact that's exactly right. There you go. That's that's reason enough. Jason, it happened. Yeah.
Stephen Robles:It happened. The senate passed the bill that has decided TikTok either needs or ByteDance, the owner of TikTok, either needs to divest TikTok, sell it to somebody in the next 9 months or 270 days, I think is exactly the time frame, or TikTok will be banned in the United States. Not only did the Senate pass it, I believe it was 70 something senators, somehow bipartisan agreement on this as opposed to any other legislation that ever gets talked about in Congress. They passed it, and then President Biden signed the bill, and now it goes into the courts. And so where we stand right now obviously, if you're using TikTok, you understand it's not banned today, like you can still use TikTok, but this now enters the courts where TikTok can choose to try and fight this legislation, I feel like it's gonna be hard pressed to do that considering it's fighting it in U.
Stephen Robles:S. Courts. That's the U. S. Courts.
Stephen Robles:I mean the US Congress is the one that passed this legislation. But also, I mean, it can also choose to the company can buy it and it would probably be pretty expensive. I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but, like, Microsoft was considering buying TikTok years ago or months ago.
Jason Aten:Well It
Stephen Robles:could happen.
Jason Aten:Yeah. The I mean, the Trump administration was trying to get Microsoft to buy TikTok, and then we ended up with this weird project Texas thing where Oracle Yeah. Hosts the data, children's museum of content moderation somewhere in Texas where
Stephen Robles:it's
Jason Aten:I don't know. I mean, they, they allowed some people to some journalists to tour it. I was not one of them. I'm fine with that. Just to be clear.
Jason Aten:And, everyone came away like, this is like a kid's museum for content. It's like push this button and see what happens to the post. Oh. It's like I see. What?
Stephen Robles:When you said children's museum of content, I wasn't sure what was happening. And now but now
Jason Aten:I understand. Moderation, but which is still not a concept that means anything to any child, but whatever.
Stephen Robles:It's very strange.
Jason Aten:Yeah. So a couple of quick things to say about it is, you talked about the margin, that it passed by. It's important to understand that none of those people were voting on a Tik TOK ban. They were voting on aid to Ukraine and Israel. Okay.
Jason Aten:There was a bill for you to put, to send aids to Ukraine and Israel. And as a sort of concession to the, people who are very adamant that Tik TOK is a threat, They added that in. So the house actually passed like 3, maybe 4 different bills. And then they sent them to the Senate as one, because when they sent the Tik TOK bill the last time the Senate's like, well, we ain't just, we're just not gonna do it. We're just pretend you didn't do that.
Jason Aten:We don't want to deal with this. We just, especially we don't wanna deal with it before the election, because here's the thing. They know that they need the audience of people who use TikTok to vote for them. So what the house did is they put it all together and they sent it over to the senate, and they're like, we dare you not to send money to Ukraine and to Israel and humanitarian aid to Gaza. Like we just dare you.
Jason Aten:Like we've every single person that's in there wants one of those things. Right. And for the people who are on the fence, they're like, oh, and by the way, we could ban Tik TOK. So like, that's how this thing got passed. And I don't think Tik TOK is going to get banned.
Jason Aten:I'm just going to predict that now. I don't actually think it's gonna get sold either. Just to be clear, I think that everyone wanted to be on record banning TikTok, but no one actually cares if it gets banned. Like this is the way, like, lawmakers think they want to be able to campaign on the idea that they either did a thing or didn't do a thing. But whether the thing actually happens is insignificant because that'll be somebody else's problem.
Jason Aten:So I I would be very surprised. On the other hand, there was a response from TikTok CEO, obviously, as a TikTok video saying, like, make no mistake. This is a band, and this is affecting your rights. And this is an oppression of your right to free speech. Although in theory, it's not because it's really like TikTok users are not going to be banned and all of them can use other platforms like reels.
Jason Aten:Right? Like, so there's, it is. Yeah. There you go. There's the video.
Jason Aten:And I think it's it's so hard because it's it's hard to accuse TikTok in this case of being disingenuous because I just accused everyone in congress of being disingenuous. Right? So it's really, they're all playing the same game, but I just, you know, it's interesting because he's clearly trying to influence the influencers on TikTok to, you know, make public opinion. But it's the thing is it's a law now. Like, if in order for it to be not a law, like you can, you can make as many TikTok users mad as you want.
Jason Aten:And that has nothing to do with whether a judge will decide whether this law is constitutional. It just has no bearing on that. So it's the whole thing is kind of a mess. I don't think TikTok is gonna get banned. I just I just don't think that that's going to happen.
Jason Aten:That's separate from whether or not I think it should, just to be clear.
Stephen Robles:Do you so do you think it's just gonna be, like, TikTok is gonna fight this in the courts. Eventually, some court will rule that this legislation isn't, like, whatever, and then it just fizzles out?
Jason Aten:Well, remember when the when the Trump administration was gonna force them to sell it to Microsoft, and what happened? Like, literally nothing. Like
Stephen Robles:But I thought no. Like, there wasn't any legislation that actually passed, and then he and then Trump signed.
Jason Aten:Right.
Stephen Robles:Like, Biden Biden signed the bill yesterday.
Jason Aten:The Trump administration, I believe, had an executive order. I don't remember the exact mechanics of it. But, like
Stephen Robles:Sure.
Jason Aten:So, yes, it was it is a law. You're a 100% right. And it says that they have 90 days or yeah. They have no. I'm sorry.
Jason Aten:9 months from yesterday to sell it. And then whoever's the president at that time can decide to extend it for 3 more months. I would not be surprised if that at that point, if there if if something is passed, it's like, well, we could extend it for longer or, well, we could just do whatever. So I just, I just don't think any of these people actually care enough about the issue. And I do think that there are issues.
Jason Aten:I just think that they that they want to be on record as saying, see, I I fought back against bad TikTok stuff.
Stephen Robles:I'm we've said so many times on this podcast and it seems more necessary now than ever. Like, again, I am not a lawyer nor a government expert. Overall, like, I guess I have the from a creator perspective, it's amazing how a creator, someone can literally build an entire business and their livelihood on a platform that could also go away so quickly. Atlanta were saying like it might not go away. But that is such a stark difference than if you were to build a business on a street corner, like or whatever.
Stephen Robles:It just seems so weird in this like digital age to have like to be beholden to a platform where your literal entire business might rest, seems wild, which again is I'm not meaning to plug our own thing, but is one of the reasons why I started the Circle community because, you know, platforms that really center around maybe your email, like a newsletter, or a podcast where you follow an RSS feed that's an open standard, which is why, like, I literally have an RSS pillow behind me because I love the open standard of RSS is like the one last bastion of this is an open standard if you publish and someone follows the RSS feed in their news reader or their podcast app, like, they will get the thing that you made. It's just it seems wild to me. It also feels a little weird, like, when the TikTok CEO is, like, appealing to the creators of the platform and, like, this, hey, we're in this thing together. It's like, yeah, I mean, you're gonna walk away a millionaire no matter what, and these creators might lose their entire livelihood, like that feels weird. I also feel like I'd again, I don't have expertise or knowledge in the area, but the free speech argument always feels spurious to me, like it's I don't think we are really understanding what that law and how that applies to a social network.
Stephen Robles:And also these laws that were all made over 200 years ago, like there was no internet. There was no apps. So it's just, to me, just as someone like obviously reporting on this news and maybe I'm bringing zero value to this. I don't know. But like it's I don't know how to to think about it sometimes.
Stephen Robles:I do feel like Nilay Patel talked about this on the Vergecast that apparently one of the things that pushed, I think it was the when it was in the House of Representatives, that there were a bunch of people, a bunch of congresspeople that went into a backroom, saw some information about TikTok and what they do with data and the data they collect on its users, walked out of that room, and then immediately decided to pass this bill basically and then to where it is now, banning TikTok. And I feel like if there's anything that should happen or ought to happen, whatever was shown in that room, I feel like should be public knowledge to the people that are using TikTok, maybe to the people, like, as we are trying to decide, like, what, you know, what is best, what is good. You know, that seems like valuable information, to not have as a TikTok user, as a creator. And so that that feels weird to me, but I don't know. I don't know how else to think about that.
Jason Aten:Yeah. And I I do think an important piece of clarity for people just I I'm sure that, you know, I'm gonna get trolled for this, and that's fine. That's what I'm here for. But as a creator, and I don't mean you Steven, but as a person who posts things on social media, you don't have a first amendment right to post things on TikTok. Right?
Jason Aten:Right. Your first amendment right means that the government can't punish you for whatever it is you say publicly. They can't throw you in jail for, you know, insulting the president. They can't they can't throw you in jail for, you know, something you publish.
Stephen Robles:Yelling about the stay logged in checkbox.
Jason Aten:Oh my gosh. You you don't wanna get me started right now. But anyway, they so, like, there is no inherent right to exist for any particular social media platform, especially one that's owned by a company that's, that's essentially a part of like a, it's like a foreign company. Like they don't, that's just not how the, how, how the first amendment works, because if, if tick tock goes away, yes, that would hurt because all of these creators have built audiences, but you don't have, like, an inherent right to have that audience and you could have built it somewhere else. And I have written many times.
Jason Aten:I remember Steven, do you re I don't know if you can remember this or not. You're you're you're not you're not that young. You're not that much younger than me, but I can remember having conversations. I used to to, like, do consulting with photographers and a lot of them would just post all the images they'd taken on Facebook, for example. Right?
Jason Aten:And that's how they would build their audience. They build it all on Facebook. And and I would say, like, you need to have your own website. You need to not build your entire business on someone else's platform because if you do and they change the rules, now you have no business. And it and the this was not the case at the time, but looking back, all of that came true just for publishers.
Jason Aten:Right? Publishers built their entire buzzfeed, right? Built its entire business on traffic coming from Facebook to their website. And they even had a website. It's just their entire traffic generation strategy.
Jason Aten:And now, like, there are publications that just don't exist anymore because of that. You should never build your entire business on one platform. The last thing I'll say about this is I was super like curious when you started talking about your RSS pillow, because I thought, is this a thing that, like, reads you stories as you fall asleep? It just, it just reads you RSS feeds on like an RSS pillow. It would be amazing.
Jason Aten:I don't know. So It
Stephen Robles:would be amazing. So okay. The last thing I'll say I don't know if I mentioned this last time. Jack Conte, who is the co founder of Patreon, he was at I want to get this conference right because I messed it up last time. He was at South by Southwest in Austin, Texas this past year.
Stephen Robles:And, you know, typically, I I see some of these keynotes, you know, because I find them interesting. I will put this one in the show notes. If you are a creator online or you're interested in this community, I highly recommend this talk because he basically did a brief history of the Internet and the different shifts. Early YouTube, he, you know, talks about MySpace and all that kind of stuff, and I think it is very telling. Again, Nilay Patel has been talking about this a lot.
Stephen Robles:Seeing the trajectory of what it meant to have an online community back then, in the early days, what it has meant the last 10 years, and where it's going. And you know I honestly ironically, I think one of the first times I saw a video of him, it was with his band Pamplemoose on TikTok. And I saw this band, and I started following them because I loved the music. This was recently, like, in the last year. And I did not realize that the guy I was seeing in that TikTok video was the cofounder of Patreon until I saw this keynote of him at South by Southwest.
Stephen Robles:I was like, oh, shoot. I didn't even make that connection. Like, I just didn't know. I didn't know it was him. I saw you know, because he's not saying I'm Jack Conte, cofounder of Patreon, and his TikTok videos.
Stephen Robles:They're just playing music. Him and his wife and their band or whatever. But anyway, this keynote, I think, is fascinating, talking about future of the creator economy, where it's been, where it's going. So I would recommend this and, yeah, I'm curious. I'm curious where it's going to go.
Stephen Robles:And I do think that one of the things he points to in that keynote this is what I wanted to There's this idea, I forget who came up with it, but he points to it as you really only need a 1,000 true followers to have a successful online, like, creator community. Meaning, you might have millions of followers on TikTok, but underneath that is like who actually engages regularly. You know, that's your community. And then underneath that is really like the true fans quote unquote. A very a much smaller number.
Stephen Robles:He made a comparison to, like, musicians. You have, like, the people who might stream your songs. You have the people who might go to a concert as the second level. Then you have the people who listen to every song on every album, have the t shirt, love the band so much, like, maybe they have a tattoo of the band. Who knows?
Stephen Robles:But there's those levels of engagement, and I think one of the things that that algorithmic platforms like TikTok has revealed is like you can get that big number by going viral, doing the same shtick every day in a TikTok video, and you can add the 3,000,000 followers. But one of the reasons why it's so hard to then move that audience to, say, an email newsletter or even a YouTube channel, which is still algorithmic, is because those millions of followers are not true community or actually engaged fans. Like those other like, that is the top level millions And some of the you know, the biggest ones, because of the sheer numbers, yeah, maybe they can move them to YouTube or whatever. But it's always been interesting to me when I'll see a TikToker with 5,000,000 followers and I'll go to their YouTube channel, and I'm like, they only have, like, a 1000 subscribers. Like, how does that work?
Stephen Robles:And it's because, like, TikTok made everyone feel great with thousands of followers. I talked about that own experience I had of getting, like, 10,000 followers overnight because I talked about a shortcut, But it doesn't mean that you have now engaged fans that will actually pay money for something that you make. And actually for that, you really just need a 1,000 really dedicated people. And like if we had a 1,000 people supporting this show every month, like that would be a huge difference, like, for most people, for most creators. So, you know, I I do think I I don't particularly want TikTok to go away go away.
Stephen Robles:I do want to know what they show those congressmen in that back room, but I don't want it to go away. But I also feel like creators in this world, like think about, like what Jason said, having your own space on the Internet. Like there are still open platforms on the Internet like having a website, having an RSS feed, which is a podcast or a blog. Think about those things as you look to the future of your business.
Jason Aten:Yeah. And I know we're gonna move on, but I'm I just sent you the link. It's a Kevin Kelly blog post from 2,008, a 1002 fans. And essentially the idea was like the in the thing about the Internet is anyone can find a 1,000 true fans for whatever it is that their idea is. Don't worry about having millions of followers.
Jason Aten:What what you'd rather have is a 1,000 people like Steven says, who will give you dollars a month or who will do whatever it is. And that's that's the promise of the scale of the Internet is that Right. Really and, actually, Ben Thompson, who I've referenced several time, he does. He also does a podcast called Sharp Tech with Andrew Sharp. I think I did that right.
Jason Aten:But, anyway, it was on his 10 year anniversary of launching the paid version of Stratechery. And he says, like, my whole thing was if I could get a 1,000 people who would pay me $10 a month, like, that's a good living. I'd be sad.
Stephen Robles:I don't
Jason Aten:I'd like and and I'd be fine with that. And instead of looking for 1,000,000 of followers, what you should be looking for is a 1,000 true fans. And maybe the number's 1200 or 5000 or whatever it might be when and Casey Newton, who was previously at the verge when he started he said the same thing. He's like, if I could get just I just need this this core group of people who are willing to support what I'm doing. I don't need 1,000,000 and 1,000,000 and 1,000,000 and 1,000,000.
Jason Aten:And so yeah. There you go. That's quite the aside we just did there. This is, like, philosophical. Yeah.
Jason Aten:It was we got we got very philosophical.
Stephen Robles:I should ask the AI pin what it thinks. No. I'm just kidding. I'm not gonna
Jason Aten:Don't because we don't have enough time. We don't
Stephen Robles:have enough time. Alright. This is gonna be our our quasi lightning route so we can get to the personal text segment. This this segment of the show is, I'm gonna lean on Jason here because I'm gonna ask how are companies doing?
Jason Aten:Yeah. This is the I just put in the, our notes. It's definitely earnings time and just drop, like, 10 links in there. So it it is true. Like Tesla, Meta, Netflix, Spotify, all announced earnings this week.
Jason Aten:Google announces them today, so we have no idea. So do you want me to just do them 1 at a time? We'll start with Netflix. The reason I the reason I put this in here is that Netflix, which had a, like, a record quarter. The big news though was that they're gonna not report their subscriber number anymore.
Jason Aten:And the reason I put this variety, article in there is because essentially, like, they're linking it to the fact that apple stopped disclosing the number of sales of iPhones. And like, that seems to be fine.
Stephen Robles:And I didn't I didn't realize that. I thought an apple earnings call, they still say, like, we've sold 70,000,000 iPhone.
Jason Aten:No. They just disclose they break things down by iPhone, iPad, Mac services, you know, in wearables. They do not tell you the number of actual units sold. They just tell you the total number of revenue by business.
Stephen Robles:Don't don't those numbers come out, like, around the earnings call.
Jason Aten:Well, you can sort of reverse engineer it. Right? If you know the total dollar amount sold, you can sort of figure out, well, what's the average price sold of an iPhone. You don't know that for sure. But some of these people like Ming Chi Kuo who might know based on different inventory levels and that kind of stuff, people can guess what that is, but they but Apple does not publish anymore.
Jason Aten:Here's how many iPads we sold. Here's how many vision pros we sold. That kinda thing. And so, anyway, Netflix is not going to the reason is it will not be an impressive number anymore because, basically, everyone is subscribed to Netflix. So if everyone plus one subscribes, it's like, that's just not that there's not enough people to move that needle anymore, especially once they introduce the ad supported tier and they've really captured all of that.
Jason Aten:So they want to talk about other things like here's our average revenue per user or here's how much we're making selling advertising, or here's that kind of thing. They just don't want the conversation to be about the number of the increase in subscriber numbers because they just that's not sustainable for them. And if you're if their growth is based on that, that's just gonna look bad. So, anyway, that's that's the Netflix one.
Stephen Robles:Yep. Yep. And it and it makes sense, I guess, like, once you reach that I don't I think there's a term for it, but there's, like, that threshold of, like, the total addressable market.
Jason Aten:Yeah.
Stephen Robles:Like, if you've saturated the total addressable market of people who are gonna subscribe to Netflix, like, yeah, you can't I mean, it's not gonna change, so you gotta add services. I have seen more games push from Netflix recently. Like, when I open Netflix on a mobile device, it's like, hey. Look at these games. So I was like, alright, Netflix.
Jason Aten:Amazing about that, though? The you can download one of Netflix's games, and it's the only way you can actually sign up for Netflix on your iPhone. If you download a game, you can sign up for Netflix. And then if you open the Netflix app, you can actually watch Netflix. It's like but it is the base ad supported.
Jason Aten:You can't do the 4 k. You can't do any of that kind of stuff. And you can't upgrade to that because you log into the Netflix website. It's like, I don't know who you are. I mean, you have a subscription through Apple, but here, watch something.
Stephen Robles:Right.
Jason Aten:But, anyway, I you know, just it's curious to me that Netflix actually had a pretty good quarter report. I think they reported, like, 9,000,000 new subscribers or something like that, and then they're like, but we're not gonna talk about that anymore, and the stock went down.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. The stock the stock took a hit. And so I think that's another story. Stocks taking a hit, which is, Tesla.
Jason Aten:Oh, yeah.
Stephen Robles:They've been hurting recently. You had the article here on ink.
Jason Aten:Yeah. I mean, so Tesla Tesla also is in an interesting situation in my personal perspective on this. Well, like they had a bad quarter. There's just no way around it. Right.
Jason Aten:They've struggled to deliver vehicles. They have struggled. And I'm just going to disclose. I drive a model S if you want to send the Tesla hate, I drive 1. I think I can say what I want and no one can accuse me of being a hater.
Jason Aten:Okay. Do I wish they had a different CEO? I'm not going to answer that, but you know, it's a question. It's a question I have anyway. They, their revenue and their profit went down, but their stock went up.
Jason Aten:And the reason it went up is because Elon Musk is promising that they're going to do a, essentially an affordable 25 ish 1,000 model dollar model in, the, you know, called the model 2. They've been talking about this for a while. My thing is the, the numbers were bad, but Elon Musk made a promise and the stock went up. And at some point it's, it does sort of surprise me because the number of promises that this company has made well that this company CEO has made about like, there was a time I remember in maybe 20, 20 ish, 2021, where he promised that Tesla owners were going to be able to like rent out their vehicles as robo taxis at night and make money off of them. Like that didn't happen.
Jason Aten:He, every time they talk about full self driving, it's just like one point software, you know, one software point update away from full self driving and that hasn't happened. And it's like, and so when he's, you know, they, they had to recall all of the cyber trucks that had been delivered so far to apparently put a screw into the accelerator pedal, because it does seem like a 12,000 pound steel triangle driving down the street with a stuck accelerator pedal is bad. Like we can all agree. That's not even controversial take. It's just bad.
Stephen Robles:So it's just bad.
Jason Aten:So I Tesla, had a bad quarter, but apparently, things are looking up.
Stephen Robles:That that that's that's bizarre. Listen, I I I wish one way or the other on the company, but if it lowers the price of used Tesla model threes
Jason Aten:Yeah. So I
Stephen Robles:can get one, I'll get one.
Jason Aten:Tesla makes very like, I drive one. It's a very good car. I love it. It's my favorite car I've ever driven. The model 3.
Jason Aten:Fantastic. The model y is the best selling car. That's not a Ford F150 in America. Like it is. It's just, it's the best selling vehicle.
Jason Aten:There's the model 3 and the model Y combined to be like 2 of the best 5 best selling cars in America. Like they make good cars. They do have some like quality control issues, whatever. But the model 3 fan, I'd recommend 1 to just about anybody. But that's, that's completely separate from the fact that sometimes it seems like the companies run like a clown show.
Stephen Robles:It came it came out there right at the end. It came out there right at the end. I don't know if you caught it, listeners here. So we'll just move on to the next one. Meta also had earnings about one piece of information I thought was interesting, this Vird headline I think is great.
Stephen Robles:Meta wants to be the Microsoft of headsets, namely that it wants to license the Horizon OS, which is Meta's headset. So whatever the Meta Quest, the OS that it runs on, which is Horizon OS, they want to license it to hardware makers like Lenovo, Asus and others, basically like Microsoft, licenses Windows to makers like HP and also the same people, Lenovo, Asus or whatever. So that's interesting. And then the the earnings though Yeah. I think they had good earnings, but then they they said that the forecast for the Q2, it was a light forecast and then the stock dropped.
Jason Aten:Well, yeah. Okay. So this I am realizing that essentially what we've proven on this episode is that the stock price of a company has is entirely speculative. Right? It's not based necessarily on well, and this is true.
Jason Aten:If you ask an investor, the stock price is not based on your current performance. It's based on your anticipated future performance. Cause why would you buy a stock today unless you expect it to do better in the future? Like that does seem intuitive here, but Metta had like doubled its profit compared to the year over and lost $200,000,000,000 of its value because of the splint in the stock price. And I think what happened was they talked on the call about how much money they made.
Jason Aten:And then mark Zuckerberg got on the call and said, and we plan on blowing it all on AI. Like we made all this money and we're just going to spend it all on doing these things. And I think, you know, and he made the comment, you know, historically at this point in our product cycle, we tend to, you know, things look really bad because we spend all of this money and look here, like I don't you you and I became acquainted with each other because of my takes on Facebook, really. Like, one of my takes on Facebook. So I am pretty clearly on record as being like meta net positive or negative for the universe.
Jason Aten:Uncertain. Right? Like, but, but there is no question in my mind that Mark Zuckerberg knows what he's doing. Like, I'm going to just give him that he knows what he's doing. I don't always agree with what he's doing.
Jason Aten:I don't always think that, you know, he's the best spokesperson for what he's trying to do, but I do like, they have proven time and time again, that like the fact that they went through Apple's AT and T the app trends tracking and transparency, which, which could have decimated their business and they actually came out stronger. Right. They figured their way out. They figured their way out of it. They worked their way through it.
Jason Aten:I think it's pretty clear, like Facebook, Metta, they're not going anywhere. They are going to figure this out. And one of the ways they're going to do it is what you just talked about, which is they they're calling their operating system for virtual headsets, horizon OS, and they're gonna just license it to Mike. And I you know, the virtual line says they're going to be the Microsoft headsets. I don't know if it's the Microsoft or the Android, but one of the, the point is they don't, they want to be the opposite of apple.
Jason Aten:Right? And Zuckerberg talks about that in the mobile space, the closed model of Apple 1, which I don't know if that's true because there are a lot more Android phones in the world than there are iPhones, but, you know, they want to the way they're going to hedge against Apple getting any ground in virtual reality, augmented reality, whatever it might be, is they're gonna put their stuff everywhere. Like, you can all just use ours. You all everything you're doing is bad. We are the only ones who figured it out.
Jason Aten:You can just use our stuff. That that's what they're doing.
Stephen Robles:You know, I just, the bonus topic just came to me. We gotta talk about headsets Okay.
Jason Aten:And
Stephen Robles:the future of headsets in the bonus episode because you've had the Apple Vision Pro now for
Jason Aten:Couple weeks. Yeah. Over a week.
Stephen Robles:Over a week. And so so we're gonna talk about that but I I I'm speculative about the the future of headsets and other gadgets like the one I'm wearing and how that yeah. Anyway, so we'll talk about that in the bonus episode. But yeah. Okay.
Stephen Robles:So we'll I'll save it. I'll save it. Last thing before we I talk about this humane AI pin. What is it? Spotify?
Stephen Robles:Yes. Had a record
Jason Aten:quarter. Spotify had a really good quarter mostly because it laid off a bunch of people, and so it it kept more of the money that it made. Like, it's true. And in fact, the CEO was like, yeah, that was rough. We might've laid off too many people too quickly.
Jason Aten:Cause it's taken us a few months to sort it out. But they are the one example of a company that made a bunch of money and then their stock price went up. So like, you know, they must continue to, it must, must think that they're going to continue to do that. They had, you know, they had strong earnings, they had strong profit. Again, the profitability was because they cut the expenses of employing.
Jason Aten:What was it like 1500 people? So they saved all that money. But I think, I think that, you know, Spotify is a really interesting company. It's sort of like the darling of the EU, you know, a lot when you look across the pond and a lot of the things that are happening with the DMA and that sort of thing, a lot of it, like the only company really that benefits is Spotify because they are the European company over there. But I think, I think people underestimate the scale that Spotify has.
Jason Aten:Like, there was a chart that I saw as a part of their earnings where it was like the, yeah. And it's actually in the Yahoo finance article that we linked where it's like the ad supported users and the premium subscribers, they have 240 paid subscriber. Spotify does and 615 total active subscribers, 650,000,000, 240,000,000. I think I said 240 period. Like there's so big.
Stephen Robles:They would not be doing
Jason Aten:everyone in my neighborhood to subscribe to Spotify and that's it. No 240,000,000. That's like Netflix size, but they have an additional, I'm not going to do the math, but a total of 615,000,000 active subscribers. Cause you may, like we, we forget that likes Spotify has this entire ad supported tier that you can that you can use. And so, anyway, I just I thought it was interesting.
Jason Aten:It was at least one example of a company that had good returns and the stock price actually went up. But also, they laid laid off a bunch of people. So that's bad.
Stephen Robles:That's sad. Yeah. Do you think, that Apple, whatever, do an ad supported Apple Music tier?
Jason Aten:That's an interesting question. I think that if they thought it would make people upgrade to Apple 1, then yes.
Stephen Robles:Because you have Apple Music and Apple TV both ripe for ads. Not that I want ads there, but I'm just saying, like Yeah. They could put ads in there.
Jason Aten:The weird thing that happens to, like, this is what happened with Netflix. And this is the reason that Disney plus and everybody else's adding ads is because when Netflix added an ad supported tier at a lower price, it actually made more money off of those subscribers than the ones who are paying for the higher tier because they make more money showing ads to people, even if they're paying a less amount. And so the, so now if you notice, that's why Netflix started raising prices on the premium tiers and taking features out because they really just want you to be like, no, I won't pay $73 a month for Netflix. I'll just go to the ad tier because they make so much more money. So in that sense, I actually hope that Apple doesn't.
Jason Aten:However, my theory is long back. I mean, if you look like Apple news, the ads are so bad. They're the worst ads on the internet. Like absolute worst ads on the internet now in the ads, in, in, the app store, for example, like you can search for something and you just get random ads for all these other apps that are not related to it and stuff. So I really hope that Apple doesn't, but maybe they'll just put terrible ads in there to get more people to subscribe.
Jason Aten:I don't know.
Stephen Robles:The the as I saw a recent article, it was yesterday, someone did interviewed the former head of Google search, and it was another article about, like, why Google search has degraded over the last decade, basically. And it was the same thing. We talked about it 2 or 3 episodes ago. But it was basically the head of Google search used to pry like the priority used to be like search results And then whoever was over ads at Google was put in charge of search and it basically went from like search results as the priority to profit. Yep.
Stephen Robles:And that's basically like it's might not be a one to one correlation but really looks like that might be the thing. I think actually, John Gruber at Daring Fireball talked about it. Or yeah. Here we go. He linked to this Edward Zitron article, which I've not read the full article.
Stephen Robles:I've read Gruber's take, but I'll put a link to this article in the show notes. The man who killed Google search is the name of of the article, and he talks about kind of the history of that transition. And, I find it, interesting. I think it's another piece of information about like what happens when ads and profit are put above quality of results. But anyway.
Stephen Robles:Last thing before I talk about the human eye pin, this video was shared I think this was also another grouper link but this is a 32 minute video about how LLMs, large language models work. AIs like chat GPT and Perplexity and Gemini and all that. I've not watched the whole thing. I just started it. So technical.
Stephen Robles:So heady. I understand almost nothing. But if you're really interested to know like the technology behind LLMs and why they seem smart sometimes. Yeah. You should watch this video.
Stephen Robles:It's it's wild.
Jason Aten:Is that the one was it the one Sir Acusa was talking about on ATP about, like, different different pieces? He was definitely talking about a series of videos about how the large language models work and how it's basically just Yeah. Yeah.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Yeah. I think I think, yes. That is I think as well as John Securius, now that you mentioned it. But, yeah, anyway, so technical.
Stephen Robles:I don't know. I probably won't finish it, but if you're really curious, I'll put that link in the show notes as well.
Jason Aten:I have to mow the lawn today, so I probably won't watch this.
Stephen Robles:No. No. It's okay. You just listen to a podcast. You can listen to this podcast while you mow the on.
Jason Aten:Okay.
Stephen Robles:Alright. Late yesterday, Jason, I got the humane AI pin. Finally. Finally got it. I did an unboxing video which was largely unsuccessful I feel like.
Stephen Robles:It was it wasn't a great video.
Jason Aten:Meaning, like, you weren't able to unbox it or
Stephen Robles:It didn't it didn't feel like I had good like, it didn't feel great. I don't know what it was. Because I When I unboxed the Apple Vision Pro video, I did that on a livestream, that felt great. And then I also did like the setup process which was kind of fun. I couldn't really do that with this because the setup process was I didn't even know what was happening.
Jason Aten:It was kinda weird. How good could have unboxing video of the worst product Marquez has ever reviewed actually be? That's my question.
Stephen Robles:Listen. The hardware is nice. Okay? Nice hardware. I got the white one here.
Stephen Robles:I've had this for 18 hours, so and I've only used it for probably
Jason Aten:And recharged it 11 times in 18 hours.
Stephen Robles:The charging is also obtuse. I don't know how it works. Listen, every for just from my first few hours experience, everything every reviewer said totally accurate, it gets warm, battery life is trash, like it does error out sometimes, but here's the thing, I started asking it things like I stopped thinking or didn't think about it as like a phone on my chest, and I started just thinking about it as like a chat gpt that's just waiting waiting for me to ask it something, right? I mean because that's basically what it is, it's chat GPT and a pin on the thing. And so I did start asking it like random things.
Stephen Robles:You could do easy stuff like how far away is the sun from Earth in miles or whatever. I didn't say in miles the first time and it gave me every measurement known to man. Like here it is in kilometers, Here it is in light. I was like, I don't need all that. But I started asking it some questions that I thought, like, I thought was pretty good.
Stephen Robles:One of the ones that surprised me was, like, movie stuff. I didn't know it would do that. So you guys get things like this. Is it I can see I can I might I might have died? Hold on one second.
Stephen Robles:What's a movie that stars both Michael Fassbender and Kevin Bacon?
Humane Ai Pin:Unable to connect to music services.
Stephen Robles:Wow. And I asked it I asked it the same question, like, 4 times yesterday and it got it every time.
Humane Ai Pin:Both Michael Fassbender and Kevin Bacon is at X Men First Class.
Stephen Robles:Okay. So there you go. So it did I don't know why it gave me the error first but like I didn't know it could do that. I didn't know it could do, like, movie reference who are these actors in. And then I you could do things like summarize the book, The Art of War, in one sentence.
Humane Ai Pin:Finding book summary.
Stephen Robles:Probably should've thought. The Art
Humane Ai Pin:of War by Sun supervise strategies and tactics for competition and conflict aiming for invincibility, victory without battle, and unassailable strength through understanding the physics, politics, and psychology of conflict.
Stephen Robles:Like, okay.
Jason Aten:That's a long sentence. Also, that was did you have to read the whole book first? Because that took a little while.
Stephen Robles:I think you probably pulled it from the Internet. Okay. Let let me 2 2 more examples here. Okay. Simple things like who composed the music for the movie The Nightmare Before Christmas?
Humane Ai Pin:Finding composer. The music for the movie, The Nightmare Before Christmas was composed by Danny Elfman.
Stephen Robles:Right? Okay. Now I know I know I could pull up call sheet or whatever, but like, okay, it's doing alright. I don't get failures as much as as like I feel like other reviewers. Now, alright let me do one more.
Stephen Robles:I thought this was interesting. Can you take a pineapple you get from the grocery store, plant it in the ground, and grow a new pineapple tree?
Humane Ai Pin:Checking pineapple planting.
Jason Aten:Is that like a website?
Humane Ai Pin:Yes. You can grow a new pineapple tree from a pineapple purchased at the grocery store by using the top of the pineapple to propagate a new plant. It takes approximately 18 to 24 months months to grow a new pineapple from the top of a store bought pineapple.
Jason Aten:And that's still less time than it took that thing to answer your question so that's not bad.
Stephen Robles:Listen. Listen. We can't even know how long it takes. Alright, actually actually, so there was what was the other one I I was gonna do? Anyway, I was in a bunch of questions.
Stephen Robles:So I was thinking, like, ask a Chad GPT style question, and it was doing pretty good. You know, the the laser ink thing, I hate using it. That's trash. Like, there's a lot of things not great about it. But there are some times I ask it like for synonyms, for words, Maybe if you're trying to write something or whatever, yes you could use chat gpt on your computer or whatever, but sometimes if you're just walking around, I do think there's something to be say as like it's, you know, one tap away, even less friction than like pulling the phone out of your pocket, unlocking it because I don't have Siri enabled when it's locked, holding the side button or whatever.
Stephen Robles:So anyway, I I find like there might be some value there. Okay? Like I'm just just overall. But, on the flip side, all these like complicated questions that I was trying to throw at it, and it was giving me answers, I was gonna go to Siri to like show how bad Siri is, and I was surprised at how much Siri could do now. Like, I don't know when it changed.
Stephen Robles:I don't know if this is all like back end stuff. Like, I didn't know Siri could do the movie thing. Like, you could ask Siri, what's a movie that stars both Michael Fassbender and Kevin Bacon? So this time it said, found it on the web, but it shows me X Men First Class, like in the search results. So things like, how much caffeine is the maximum amount for an adult in a day.
Stephen Robles:So that that's what the humane app did. But like general knowledge stuff like that, I thought Siri was gonna send me to the web for everything and it tells you the source. Like it says like healthline.com. You know that that's where it got that information. And I was actually surprised how much Siri could actually just tell you as an answer that also, like, matched what the AI pin could do.
Stephen Robles:And I just haven't used Siri in forever because I just assumed it was bad and it couldn't do those things. So I was just surprised like, oh shoot, Siri is actually closer than I thought. Yeah.
Jason Aten:Yeah. I mean, was there anything that that thing could do that you don't already have something that would do that that you don't have to wear on your chest?
Stephen Robles:I mean, no. Like, I have to try identifying stuff more. Like I wanna walk outside and ask it to identify a tree. You know, I think that would be interesting. Or, like, let me try this.
Stephen Robles:Look at this and tell me what color it is. I'm holding up an orange cloth.
Humane Ai Pin:Sorry. Unable Never mind.
Jason Aten:Anyway, that was impressive.
Stephen Robles:That's Quinn Nelson, he had some he was doing a livestream on x, yesterday, and he was doing, like, sometimes you can ask it to look at stuff and it would it would recognize and describe it, and it was fairly accurate. So I don't know. I gotta do some more testing. Basically, my takeaway is I guess Siri's not as bad as I thought, and maybe this maybe my bullishness on this is misguided. Mhmm.
Stephen Robles:That's the conclusion I came to.
Jason Aten:I think that's a safe
Stephen Robles:conclusion. Anyway, I'm getting a Rabbit R1 too. It arrives today. I was hoping it was gonna it was supposed to arrive yesterday, it got delayed. I was hoping to have both here on the podcast so I could wear my Apple Vision Pro, hold the Rabbit R1, wear the pin, but it didn't work out.
Stephen Robles:So, I'll I'll have both next week, and I'll do more. Just so you have zero desire trying to do you not get excited by just, like, gadgets? Just like gadgets.
Jason Aten:The RAVA r one is interesting to me, but I I'm convinced that the best place for all of this is the Apple watch or a watch. It doesn't have to be that because my, my, this is my honest take on this and this is somewhat true of the vision pro. I like Nilay Patel's face multiplier, like index of anything. You, anything you are going to have as a new gadget has to suit the usefulness and functionality of it has to surpass the ridiculousness of having to wear it on your face essentially. And, but the, in the, the humane AI pin is pretty close.
Jason Aten:I mean, I don't, there's not, there's only really one group of people I've ever seen wear things in that location. And that's like people with like a brooch or a big pin or, you know, secret star agents or star Trek. But I mean, I just don't, I don't, I don't think that the functionality of it surpasses what you can already do on a phone or on your Apple Watch or another to make it worth Yeah. Wearing a thing like that in public. Like, I just don't, I just don't know.
Jason Aten:The R1 is more interesting because it can actually take action and, you know, order me a pizza, book me an Uber, do a thing like, and that to me is like super interesting. And that's kind of the ferret UI thing that we talked about a week or two ago that Apple has been working on. And if I could just do that and say, Hey, iPhone, you know, order me a pizza and an Uber or something like that. And it would just do all those things to the apps. I don't know.
Jason Aten:That'd be weird to order a pizza and then get Uber and go somewhere.
Stephen Robles:I don't know. Uber driver arrives with pizza in hand.
Jason Aten:But that a 100%. You can do that. I guarantee. I don't know if I'd have to do that on my own, but you can a 100% do that. But I've done that in New York city where, like, it's like you get in an Uber from the the, the airport and on the way to the hotel, you're like putting a stop somewhere to pick something up
Stephen Robles:and then you just
Jason Aten:keep going. Yeah. So, anyway, but I I just I'm not I think it's I think it's interesting. I just sort of on the, like, I don't have time for a device that doesn't add functionality to my life, and I'm all I'm fine with a device where you aren't sure how what that functionality is gonna be if it has that potential. And we can talk about this in the bonus content because I have lots of those thoughts with the vision pro tons of those thoughts.
Jason Aten:But I just don't think that, I mean, it's just not there and it's not there, but it's there. It's on your chest. It's like, it's not there technically speaking, but you have to wear it. I just don't, I just don't know that I see that. So I don't need a little Tamagotchi that I have to carry around and wear on my chest.
Jason Aten:So
Stephen Robles:I think it's Tamagotchi, but I'm whatever. I don't
Jason Aten:I don't need either of them. Tamagotchi or his brother Tamagotchi.
Stephen Robles:Maybe we'll do a longer segment when I have the rabbit r one in hand which I get today and then, maybe compare the 2. But I will say like friction. When it comes to either Apple Vision Pro putting it on my face or this, like this is way easier just to put on. But the friction is things like battery life and reliability. Like I will say every time I put on my Apple Vision Pro and it starts up, like, it it works.
Stephen Robles:Like it's gonna do what I want it to do. Like I don't have to wonder is it gonna play Dune or not? You know, this thing, the friction is the unknown of will it follow through on the promise. And also the bat the battery thing is annoying. Like, it has it comes with this, like, charging this little egg thing, and it comes with, like, another booster.
Stephen Robles:And so it's like like I don't even understand. Like, does this have a battery in it? I think so. And I guess this charges the other battery. And you can charge a battery in the egg case, but you can't charge the pin by itself in the egg case.
Stephen Robles:The pin has to be attached to a battery for it to like, it's very confusing. And that's, like, that's the friction of, like, if this was just I put it on in the morning and maybe use it throughout the day, don't think about it, just use it when I want and then charge it at night, that lowering the level of friction might help a little bit. And if it was also like very reliable, maybe. And if it was connected to my phone, you know, there is something to say of like it is not even a second to just like hold my finger on this and ask it something, where if my phone is in another room or if I'm walking around or in the car, like, it actually has been kind of fun to ask it, like, just general stuff in the car because my CarPlay and car microphone is not great. And so, like, this has been kind of fun in that, but,
Jason Aten:anyway But you know what? The same size has way better battery life, and I can just go, hey, Siri. Does Steven look ridiculous with that pin on? Oh, could you try again? She doesn't wanna answer that.
Jason Aten:She feels bad for sure. Say exactly. But she she heard and she gave me a non answer very quickly. Yeah. But my point is, like, I don't I don't understand.
Jason Aten:Like, my Apple Watch Ultra is Yeah. Yeah. Gotta be the same size, and the battery life will last 3 days. And it has a screen. What is this thing doing that it can't last more than 17 and a half minutes?
Jason Aten:I seriously, I don't understand that.
Stephen Robles:I know. Well, I know the laser projector kills the battery, because during setup, I had to like do I had to like get my get connected to WiFi, which was a process. Like, Chase was putting his Apple Watch Ultra on his lapel.
Jason Aten:We're twins.
Stephen Robles:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I I mean, I got mine too. And honestly, I tried a lot of those questions on the watch and it was actually working too.
Stephen Robles:So like what movie stars both Michael Fass let me do this. Let me do the button. What movie stars both both Michael Fassbender and Kevin Bacon? Bacon and Sedgwick have starred together in Pirates, Murder in the First, The Woodsman
Jason Aten:That's his wife. And
Stephen Robles:did not hear me correctly. Again, not perfect but like very fast. That is one thing, like the speed at which Siri answers, like I can't knock it anymore. Like, a lot of the general questions I've asked it has actually been very fast especially on the iPhone. And I think that's gonna be the video I make about this thing is like, I thought this was gonna win.
Stephen Robles:Like, it'll win Jeopardy, basically.
Jason Aten:Yeah.
Stephen Robles:General knowledge summary, but actually whatever Apple been doing in the background, like, Siri has come a long way.
Jason Aten:I've learned that most of the delay on my watch is simply it waiting to make sure I'm done. But once it realizes I'm done talking, you know, it'll wait for a second to make sure you've actually stopped them. Once it's done, it's like either it has an answer or it doesn't, but it's like that. Right.
Stephen Robles:So Well, Well, that's if you really wanna know the speed of Siri, press and hold the side button on your phone while you're saying the request, and let go when you're done talking, because then the phone knows exactly when to stop listening. And I have found the answers to be surprisingly fast. Even for, like, general knowledge things, it's been weird. So anyway, I think it's gonna be the video I make about it.
Jason Aten:But Awesome.
Stephen Robles:I'll talk more about it next week. The humane AI pin. There it is. Anyway, let us know what you thought. Join our community, social.primarytech.fm.
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