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We're in the Ternus game now. Welcome to
Primary Technology,

the show about the tech news that matters.

It is the eve of the major iPhone event.

We're going to pontificate a little bit,

what to expect. Also, EFA's going on right
now with a ton of smart home devices

and announcements. NVIDIA has said they're
going to buy Hugging Face,

the AI marketplace. John Ternus is now
officially Apple CEO.

And yes, Dyson released a $500 smart
toothbrush.

This episode is brought to you by you,

the members who support us exclusively.

Thank you for that. I'm one of your hosts,

Stephen Robles.

Joined by my friend Jason Aten How's it
going,

Jason?

It's good, but I think you might have
broke the rule.

I broke through a little bit. I mean,

we got a new Apple CEO. It might be the
last time that that happens during

the tenure of the show. So we're in the
end game

Yeah, I just

now.

~ Okay, I don't know.

I tried doing

we're in the end game now, but we're in
the Ternus game now because you know what

Okay. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah,

I mean?

okay.

Well, yeah, and you you obviously know
what movie that's from 'cause it's it's
right

in the name.

Well sure. Well it's not in the name.

Isn't that quote from Infinity War?

~ you know you got it. That's right.

You're absolutely right. Doctor Strange
says it in Infinity War,

Okay, just checking.

but yes, that it is it good call.

That's right. You got it again.

Anyway. Totally right.

I was like, hang on, why but the I would
have never gotten

that from we're in the turnus era now.

Like

Yeah, I said it in the Turnus game now,

but I know it anyway, John Turnus is
Apple's new CEO.

I anyway. Anyway, yes, I'm sorry.

That's that's the exciting part.

Okay. Cool.

And

I've now tweeted at him ~ inviting him on
the show.

So listeners, let we'll see. We'll see.

Could you share that?

Go just make a Twitter account so he can
see a whole bunch of brand

new bot accounts and just reboost it or
whatever you do on Twitter.

No, yeah, yeah, no. Let's

yeah, we'll we'll talk about that.

But anyway, ~ hey, we also made 500
five-star reviews.

We've done it, Jason. We've we're halfway
to a thousand.

Thank you for everyone who gave us a
five-star rating.

Interesting, Eric in Lakeland,

Florida gave us a five-star rating review.

That's like right on the right near me.

I've I've thought about I've thought about
doing like a meetup,

Jason. I don't know if there's enough
people in Florida.

I think there's some. Let us know.

I don't know. Some kind of meetup.

I mean, there's a couple

of million people in Florida. You just
mean that listen to the show?

okay. Listen, if you

That's correct. That's correct that's
correct.

We'll see.

do a meetup and I do it around
Thanksgiving and I'll come.

That boom. Okay. Get it. We'll do it.

Get it done. Alex J. Cubs from the USA
also gave us five star rating.

Battery percentage off, front dominant
pocket dots on,

minimized to icon scale animation.

Alex J got it down packed. That's how you
do it.

Battery percentage off. It's been a while
since we said that,

but

Do

you think that people who are new to our
show who haven't really listened but like,

you should listen to Prime Tech,

they're like, I should go check it out and
look at some reviews,

are like, What are these reviews?

I agree a hundred percent,

I think that's the best part. So you gotta
you gotta be you gotta be in.

but it's almost like

we have our own little, you know,

circle social thing where people can have
a profile.

That's right. That's right.

But also you could just have a profile on
our reviews.

Honor reviews. That's right. And we do
have a bunch of regulars too,

which it only counts the first time you do
it,

Yeah.

guys. But you know what? That's

fine. ~ JDIS from the USA says we're
positive and fun.

Both hosts have great personalities,

Jason. He said, both hosts. Yeah,

I know you too. That's good.

thank you. Thank you.

Adam from the UK said we're an essential
tech podcast.

Black Sony 101 from the USA, we're his
bike buddies.

Listens to us while he's bicycling.

That's super fun. Listening since 2024,

since like the beginning and stuff.

That's cool.

Werth094 from the UK, we're a favorite
tech podcast.

Also wants a ChatGPT voice assistant
through shortcuts.

Spoiler, I've made a shortcut for that.

I will put it down in the show notes,

just so you know. And this is very cool.

The medieval knight riding the polar bear
has made it again around the world.

This is from South Africa. This is Chippo,

who sent us these pictures. Lovely photo
of the polar bear,

~ pinned to this. And here's also a
license plate photo.

It's not the whole license plate,

so he said I could post this.

But look at that, South Africa.

That's so cool. And also Chris once again
brought the medieval knight

and polar bear to the beach with Poseidon?

That's Poseidon, right? It's gotta be.

I mean he's he's he's holding a trident
and everything.

Yeah. I mean I think so. Yeah.

Either that or

So

it's the guy from Little Mermaid,

I can't remember which one.

Well isn't that ~ the s wait. Is it
Poseidon and the Little Mermaid?

No. No,

I don't is that it's not called Poseidon.

it's King's someone's gonna yell at us.

It's King's such and such it's He's known
as Ariel's dad,

King such and such, that's the actual
name.

Mr.

okay? That's that's how he's known in that
universe.

Ariel King. King Triton. I had to look it
up.

Mr. Ariel King. Tri Thank you,

King Triton.

King Tried, thank you. He's just saved us
1,000 comments on YouTube.

And just so everyone

Nope, too late. I'm

sure that they already

I just want everybody

to know, both on YouTube and listening,

we are never going to mention the W word
again on this show.

I'm not even gonna say it. So you don't
have to worry

Appreciate that.

about it. You don't have to brace
yourself.

We're we're never gonna talk about it
again.

We will in personal tech talk about why
we're not gonna talk about

it anymore though. No, I'm kidding.

Are we gonna talk about it? Okay,

We're not gonna do that.

we're not doing that either. Yeah,

we're

not even doing that. ~ also, okay,

last thing before we get to the
all-important news of a smart toothbrush.

I was in the app store earlier this week
and had a little feature here,

a productivity spotlight. And Apple asked
what were some of my favorite apps that

I use. And so, of course, I plugged bear,

share shot, transcriptionist capture,

quit ~ yeah, quick notes, and then
creator's best friend.

But super fun to be a part of that.

And ~ this was written before I made Cam
Doo.

So I couldn't put it in there.

But can't do what have been on that list.

But yeah, the productivity picks.

Thought it was fun.

Nice.

Also in great company, Quinn Nelson,

Christina Warren, and Jason Snell were the
three other people spotlighted this week.

So that was fun. I'll put a link in the
show notes if you want to read or see
that.

And the all-important news of a smart
toothbrush.

Jason, I don't know if you use any smart
toothbrush paraphernalia,

but Dyson. Dyson came out with a five
hundred dollar camera jet.

Electric toothbrush. This is the biggest
news of the week,

obviously. Not Apple's new CEO.

It is this toothbrush that is a built-in
camera and water pick.

And I just need everyone, if you're not
watching,

just to go to the link that I'll put in
the show notes and watch this toothbrush

absolutely hammer this tooth and gum
situation.

This is scary. I don't I would not do
this.

I would not do this.

This

is kind of a weird thing this

Kind of?

is a weird thing to exist in the world.

Right? Like and

It is a weird thing. Yes.

Dyson is like the vacuum people.

And any basically

The vacuum people. The fan people.

anything that yeah. So apparent Yeah,

Anything that has a motor and sucks or
blows.

That's that's Dyson.

exactly.

And and and now they're the thing they're
blowing is water in between your teeth.

That is And it literally

I don't understand.

has a camera that you can pull up on your
smartphone and see yourself

in your mouth doing this water pick stuff
crazy.

Crazy stuff.

You should not you should not do that.

Should not do that. I mean, I I don't I
floss.

I don't water pick. And I don't know how
effective a water pick while toothbrushing

can be. I feel like there's two different
things.

You should probably focus on one or the
other.

But hey, I'm

I'm not getting a review unit.

I'm not going to buy this for a video.

Maybe I should. But yeah, if somebody gets
a five hundred dollar Dyson toothbrush,

please let us know.

Yeah, someone was sitting around thinking,

what if you could brush and floss at the
same time?

Would

Hm.

that be worth five hundred dollars to you?

And I think the answer is no. 'Cause it
doesn't take that much more time.

Yeah, I it seems wild to me. It's funny,

but yeah, camera and the toothbrush.

Also, what if you aspirate the water while
you're brushing your teeth?

And end up with pneumonia? Okay.

Listen, don't don't curse at me.

Don't curse at me.

What do you mean aspirate the water?

What does mean? ~

You inhale the water into your lungs
because it's spraying

into your mouth while you're also trying
to like brush your teeth and breathe.

Right.

Yeah, don't do that. Don't

do that. so yeah, that's the toothbrush.

That we were just I just wanted to plug
that to be funny.

~ and before we get to the Turnus era and
the Apple event and all the good stuff,

Apple Immersive MLB. I actually charged up
the Vision Pro,

updated it to the latest Vision OS 27
beta.

~ checked out my apps in Vision Pro
because I hadn't done that yet.

I've just been shipping the apps based on
the simulator.

~ I also checked, just side note,

you know, I have test flights for all my
apps.

If you're a member of this podcast,

you can get a

links to my test flight. Not a single
download on Vision Pro,

Jason, for either of my apps. Which I get,

but yeah. I wasn't particularly outing you
and then I realized it is outing you,

Sorry, I are you just outing me?

but yeah.

Not a single download. but now me.

I there's at least one 'cause I did it.

So but whatever.

All right, I'll d I'll download it later.

I gotta take it on a ro I'm taking my

I don't believe it.

my Vision Pro on a road trip.

That's just infuriating. Take it in the
road,

but not in the the sky.

Ha ha.

Anyway, the Apple Immersive MLB games are
going on.

The first game was last Friday.

There's another game tomorrow as you
listen to the show as it comes out.

I put on Vision Pro though. I watched like
15 minutes of the Yankees

Red Sox baseball game. Listen,

immersive is always like it's cool.

Like it's a cool experience whenever you
watch something in immersive.

The camera is like right by the Yankees
dugout.

And so it's a pretty interesting
perspective.

There were a couple times where a batter
would like

get up and start warming up next to me and
I thought I was about to get

hit in the head because he's like swinging
the bat around.

And

Yeah.

then another point some guy comes up and
puts his arm on the dugout.

And all you see is the arm. I don't know
who it is,

but you j I just see this arm and I kinda
like moved a little bit because like,

this guy's gonna elbow me. And just his
arm is just sitting there for

a while and like I'll look over and like,

yeah, yeah, his arm is right there.

Feels like a dare. It's cool. And it would
be cool if you could experience

it with another person. And this is the

The critique, you know, Ben Thomason and
Gruber talk about this on dithering,

but you know, you can do share play in
certain things in Vision Pro.

Like you can play games together,

you can watch content together that's not
immersive.

And I think you can watch some of Apple's
immersive content together.

Because my wife and I I actually did a
video,

two Vision Pros, because Apple had sent me
a review unit,

and we watched some immersive content
together.

So you can do that with SharePlay right
now.

But this live event immersive stuff does
not allow for that share play feature
where

you can watch it with someone else.

But that would be awesome if you could
have just sit at a baseball game with
someone

else, even have differing viewpoints.

Like if there was the option to switch to
like a third base camera and one

of you is on third base, but one of you is
on first base,

but virtually it feels like you're sitting
next to each other.

Like that's something you couldn't even do
in person,

but you could do in Vision Pro,

and that would be cool. So hopefully Apple
adds that.

Yeah, I mean I cannot think of something I
would want to watch less than

a Yankees Red Sox game, but I am
encouraged

That is that is offensive. That is
offensive.

that they are making I don't actually
think that was a controversial statement,

to be perfectly honest. Unless you're just
like a super baseball fan.

~ yeah. Sure.

I can't think

of two teams that have as ~ vociferously
positive

and negative feelings towards them than
the Yankees and the Red Sox.

But it's one of the most like r longest
running major

Like Yeah.

rivalries in sports.

Sure, but when Michigan plays Ohio State,

I don't watch that either. It's fine.

So anyway, but I do think it's great that
they're that they are

at least dipped their toe in the water of
the thing that actually would work really

well in the Vision Pro, which is like,

let me just be there. Like I'm there.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I will

So that's good.

I will also link my video, which I thought
was a very funny video,

but no Vision Pro video does super well,

~ because people don't have it and so they
don't watch it.

But ~ yeah, this was me and Whitney
watching immersive content together,

~ in two Vision Pros. And it's kinda fun
to do that and,

you know, hear the other person's reaction
and all that kind of stuff.

So I'll link that video again.

It's yeah, it was fun. All right.

Apple has a new CEO, Jason. I don't know
if you heard.

John Turnus. He took he took

I yeah. I wrote about

it. ~

You heard about it. He took over September
1st

as of this Tuesday. We're in the Turnus
era now.

There was also a wave of other shifts as
this happened.

Namely, Phil Schiller, longtime Apple
Fellow,

and who was been running the App Store for
a long time,

and also the events. Phil Schiller was
still even over the Apple events.

He has stepped down. He is still
considered an Apple Fellow,

but ~ the Eddie Q is getting ~ putting in
charge of the App Store.

So App Store goes under him. And then Nola
Weinstein will be reporting

to Kristen Quayle, the company's vice
president of communications

and public relations, for the events side.

So events goes under PR, where it was
formerly under Phil Schiller.

Eddie Q gets the App Store. And also Luca
Maestri ~ has stepped down.

I think that was actually a couple weeks
ago.

But yeah, a bunch of shifts here.

And I'm curious what will change in the
events.

If Phil Schiller has been the one
pioneering kind of like the virtual event.

You know, it's a very it's always unclear,

like was this a Schiller thing?

Was this something that Apple wanted to
do?

Tim was it a Tim Cook thing? Now that
Turnus is there,

hey, maybe we get a live event sometime
soon.

Maybe.

Maybe. I don't think it'll be next week at

No, not it.

this point. But I mean, it's not like they
couldn't have because this

has been in production for a while and so
has this change.

But ~ I think

It I think we're going to see a lot more
change over the next two years.

I think that we're gonna see more people
leave.

~ more people even that we rec whose names
we recognize.

~ but I think it it this it makes sense to
shift some of these things.

What it tells me is I I don't think that ~
Phil Schiller did a bad job with

the App Store or anything like that.

And I don't think he did a bad job with
events.

The current state of Apple events is what
it is because of COVID.

They came up with the best way to do that.

Now, should they still be doing it?

it

that way. I don't know. I think they
really like it because they can just
control

it very much. And

Yeah.

you don't have a Steve Jobs who just has
that natural charisma and ability

to just get up there and insult people and
make them fall in love.

Like that's just his superpower,

right? But

Yes.

I think that

That's not all he did. He wasn't but I'm
just saying he could like just

No. He was charismatic. He was great on
stage.

say it however he wanted. Yeah.

And

Yes.

there's a real reason that they talked
about the reality distortion field.

So ~ but I think that it does maybe give
us a hint of I'm maybe

I'm being too optimistic. I would love to
see Apple's the App Store

and s its developer relations.

improve. And I don't really

Yes.

say that that much as a developer because
I don't really make that much money from

the app store. It's not a big deal.

I'm in the small business program.

I'm really never going to graduate out of
it because I'm never going

to generate that much money in a year.

So that's fine. But it it would it would
go a long way if developers,

especially small independent developers,

just felt valuable. And I don't know what
the exact connection

is between Phil Schiller overseeing the
app store and that current tenor.

But I do think that having a change there
could mean be a meaningful improvement.

So

Same. And even things like App Review,

which I mean we both deal with now,

but so many longtime developers I follow
on Mastodon,

it's really frustrating. Like I've seen
some people waiting on an in

app purchase to be approved in a month.

You know, it's been sitting there for a
month and that's you know,

a huge part of the business. You know what
I mean?

That's w actually what generates the
revenue.

So little things like that, improving the
systems as well as improving some

of those relations, I think would go a
long way.

And like

Being a creator, maybe I'm part of the
problem or whatever,

but you know, at the actual events and
where Apple like who Apple invites

to these things, like WWDC obviously,

there's lots of developers. Apple invites
them and it's always very inclusive.

But doing some things there where,

I don't know, developers are highlighted,

featured. I don't know. Some something to
to better that relationship.

Start changing the the temperature,

I think, of that would be good.

Yeah. I think that'll be good.

That's all.

Now, what was interesting is John Turnus
is now on a social network.

And he has chosen exactly one to be on,

which is X. And he used the Apple Unicode
icon and CEO as his bio.

Not Apple, not spelled out Apple CEO.

I always think it's very interesting when
Apple chooses to use

the symbol versus actually the word mark
Apple in like Apple Vision

Pro or stuff like that. But anyway,

he's on X. His first tweet is out there as
just hello.

~ we'll put a link to it so you can ~
follow him there.

Eighty three million views.

For just sending the word hello,

which is fine. I tweeted inviting him ~
onto this show.

We'll see if that works. I just find this
interesting because this would have been

an opportunity to say Apple leadership is
now going to be on multiple platforms,

that they'll be on Threads Annex or
Threads Blue Sky and in all the places.

Apple does have accounts on Threads for
things like Apple TV.

Hello Apple, which was like a new account
that Apple created around WWDC that

has an Instagram account and threads
account,

notably not on X. Like that,

and they're sharing reels and stuff.

I'm curious their internal strategy on
this,

why they chose X. I don't want to
pontificate or or you know,

espouse any kind of anything about it.

I just find it interesting and I don't
know why they chose not to

be on other platforms and just be on one.

It's curious.

Yeah, I mean the interesting thing here
was they had to acquire this account.

Like it existed before. It says it started
in June twenty twenty six,

but there was a John Turnnis account
before that that Apple acquired somehow.

Okay.

I they probably just paid someone and
said,

Could we have this account? Or they went
to X and they're like,

We got a guy named John Turnus,

he's about to be CEO. We really like this
account.

And you remember we're like the only
people who still advertise

on your social platform. So could you help

Right. Right.

us out? I don't know which of those things
happened.

Doesn't really matter. ~ but there was a I
guess my point is it's

not like John Turnus had just been link
lurking on X for a decade and

they

finally decided to activate it.

This was like a thing that they've
intentionally done.

And I think that a a company like Apple
thinks of it very differently than than

we do. They

I guess so.

they just think

about the way the the reach and what they
would use it for.

And I don't think that they did it because
they're like they're

not making a political statement.

Th that's definitely not what Apple is
doing by putting him on there

and not other places. You're right that
they do have like ~ accounts

on threads and Instagram for certain
things and I feel like it's because they
know

that the specific audience for that stuff
is there,

right?

Right.

But like if John Turner said, Okay,

well I have a LinkedIn now no one will be
like,

I can't believe that's the only one you
picked.

We might like s LinkedIn really?

But I mean that is like the corporate y
ish thing,

Yeah, okay. That's a choice. Yes,

right? Like that is time

yes.

so I don't know that we should just read a
ton into it.

No

Also,

the fact that he had one on day one is not
an you know not necessarily indicative

of like he'll always only have one,

right? So I don't know.

True, true.

But like they the executives at Apple had
been like X had been their primary place

to post anyway.

Well, I know, and it's been but it was
like Jazweak and Tom Cook

Yeah, Tim Clark.

and all of that. So anyway, we'll see.

There was one one thing though,

it in relation to Reach, if their goal was
to be on the platform that

has the largest reach, as far as the most
recent data,

it looked like Threads edged out X as far
as just monthly or daily active users.

So it seems again, like if Reach is the
pure goal,

which is why I think they made the Hello
Apple account on Instagram and Threads.

Interesting that it's not here.

Well, okay, I haven't thought about that.

One, five hundred million monthly users,

well, three hundred million of those are
people who just tap

a threads post accidentally in Instagram
and end up on threads.

Let's just be honest that that the it's
really hard to know what meta means

by any of this because they're just
they're just turning those those dials

in all sorts of ways. Also, I think it's
entirely possible that X

is willing to amplify their executives'
posts in a way that threads maybe isn't.

I feel like Zuckerberg would be all about
it.

I feel like he I feel like he would be a

There is literally

not no company in the universe that Mark
Zuckerberg hates more than Apple.

But for to for him to have bragging rights
to say Apple's CEO is on threads posting,

I feel like he would tout that,

despite his relationship with like the
actual the iPhone and

the platform or whatever. I feel like he
would tout that.

I mean they they try to brag about threads
all the time and the reach

Yeah, maybe. Also,

and all kind of stuff.

I don't know that he even knows who John
Turners is,

but he definitely knew who Tim Cook was.

Because Tim Cook's the guy who said,

like ~ I wouldn't be in that situation.

Sure, sure, sure. Well, anyway,

the one act that John Turnus has clearly
done in his first day in office that

I highly approve of, I'm so glad he made
this change.

When you share a shortcuts link on social
media,

the image is now vastly improved.

So before, when you had shared a shortcut
on any social media network,

you know, there was always a preview card,

which anytime you share a link,

you there's an image associated with it.

And previously it was just kind of like a
weird zoomed in image.

Of whatever icon is on the shortcut card.

Well now there is a beautiful colored
background.

The shortcuts icon is there with the
glassy iOS 26 look.

This sharing card, chef's kiss,

two thumbs up, John Turnus. Thank you.

Thank you for that.

So you think the one on the right is
better?

Okay, I'm just asking I'm just asking what
you were saying,

Hunch Jason, it is unequivocally better.

'cause fine. It just looks soup it's

Matthew Casanelli, shortcuts

guru, also agrees.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing.

I just wanted to be clear about what
you're saying,

'cause I look at these two and I'm like,

I think they're equally uninteresting
because they just feel generic.

I mean, I agree that the one on the right
is is uninteresting and generic,

but also not like what the heck am I
looking at.

It's very clear that it's a shortcut.

I agree.

I w I can't I can't even get into this,

Jason. I've I've all I will say

Okay.

is, listeners and viewers, I will link
this threads post down if you're
listening.

You can watch the video and see these two
icons and just call back to what

we talked about last week versus J Jason's
judgment on these icons

and decide for yourselves.

No, I do think it's better. I just think
that like it yeah,

anyway, I don't but I also don't think Tun
Turns had anything to do with it.

No, he definitely did. He definitely did.

Okay, good.

100%. I would say I have inside info,

but I don't. But listen, if any little
birdies want to tell me whether

or not John Turner's like, hey,

fix that shortcut thing, I'd I'd like to
hear it.

Any little birdies. Do I need to start a
Yeah.

I think John Turn has had a lot of
meetings this week and none of them were
about

this.

You never know. You never know.

Do you think ~ do I need a telegram so
people will message me anonymously?

Is that something that people do,

like Mark Erman?

I think you might want signal.

that is that the thing, signal?

I don't know what these things are.

Yeah, Telegram is used

for other things. And it's definitely not
encrypted,

Mm, okay, I don't know. Never mind.

okay, forget it. Okay.

I don't think. I

mean, Telegram's the one where the guy was
like wanted in France

for like promoting bad things.

bad things. Okay, never no never mind.

Yeah. Okay. Signal is the encrypted

Never mind. So you're saying signal signal
is what I need to get.

Signal.

one, and except for if you're the
Secretary of Defense,

'cause they use unencrypted signals to
plan wars.

No, that was a real story.

I know, I know. Well listen, if there's
any little birdies out there,

I guess I'm gonna make a signal and I'll
put that link in the show notes too,

I've got a signal, you can send it to me.

so you can. there we go. All right.

Every reporter has a signal. It's fine.

~ really? I didn't well I need a signal.

Okay.

Sorry. I'm just I'm gonna create a

signal account live here on the show.

No, I'm not gonna do that. Anyway,

John Turnus, come on the show.

We'd love to have you as a special guest.

~ yeah, let's do it. Last little Apple
News,

then we'll get to EFA and some smart home
stuff.

Sonos actually released some new products
that are pretty interesting.

Apple released ~ this is more evidence,

and Apple is putting it out there about
things that OpenAI and Mr.

Liu has done, and they're and Apple is
trying to get some evidence

in their possession quickly, fear that
OpenAI might do something

to erase certain evidence. So I'll just
read these bullet points.

This was an Apple response to OpenAI.

This is like the actual PDF document.

I'll link if you want to read that.

But defendants

Okay, so here despite having the MacBook
in their possession since the start

of this lawsuit, I'm reading from the
document,

this is Apple talking, and notwithstanding
the gravity of the allegations

in the complaint, defendants chose not to
inspect it,

opting instead to advance theories that
the device's data disproves.

Initial forensic analysis of the MacBook
shows.

Remember, this is the whole OpenAI case,

trade secrets in Apple. They're saying Mr.

Liu not only downloaded a confidential
Apple circuit schematic,

but also used it in his work at OpenAI.

And then far from his unauthorized access
to Apple's third party cloud storage being

unknown to him, Mr. Lou and others at
OpenAI were well aware of that access.

If this again, these are allegations,

but if true and that Apple would have
evidence that Mr.

Lou at OpenAI downloaded a schematic and
then used it in an open AI product,

that would be pretty damning in this case.

Just putting that out there. So

Yeah, it this is the guy though that we
already knew had basically messed

up big time, right?

Yes. He missed a big time. So this case
still it's not even started yet,

but just more information out there.

I don't know, not looking good for Mr.

Lou. ~ at all. We're gonna come back to
Apple and pontificate about

the event next week. But there's a huge
conference going on right now.

EFA in Berlin, which there's a bunch of
smart home creators over there.

Eric Whelander, friend of the show,

~ Shane Watley, a bunch of guys over
there,

and of course Jennifer Tooy, who I want to
get on this show sometime.

I'm hoping that Apple actually

releases some smart home products in the
near future and then we could have
Jennifer

on to talk about it. so we'll see.

But there's a bunch of stuff going on over
there.

Announcements from Phillips Hugh.

They have a new cheaper sync box.

So you can now get one of the HDMI sync
boxes,

not the cameras that you see a lot of
other brands do where you like

put the camera over the TV to watch the
screen.

You can actually get the sync box.

There's a new 4K model that starts at
$150,

much cheaper than the almost $400 model.

that I regret buying ~ a little while ago.

So you can get cheaper sync box from Hugh.

And Hugh also launched these Leanne rope
lights.

These look really cool. Jennifer Tui has a
reel on these on Instagram,

but there's like really long rope lights
that you can twist and you

can spiral aro spiral around things like
over a a bar or whatever or just

in your room. These look really cool.

I kinda wanna try these, but

How long are those? Like eight foot tall?

They look very long. They look very long.

Let's see. They are it's a 360 degree tube
light,

four hundred dollars for three meters,

five hundred fifty dollars for five
meters.

That's like fifteen feet long.

You can get them, yes, they're very long.

I mean, it's not

exactly don't yell at me people.

I'm just doing the conversion.

It's r it's like three point three feet.

I'm not yeah, it's like sixteen whatever.

I'm not gonna I don't

Five

meters and feet is sixteen feet.

Five meters and feet. That was close.

Yeah. That's what I just said.

I said fifteen, then I said sixteen.

okay, yeah, that was good. That

It's six yeah, yeah.

was good. Yeah, expensive. But yeah,

really they're long. Very long.

But it looks cool like hanging down like
that.

You could do some real I don't know,

walk through. Walk through walk

I'm gonna buy some, hang on. Are they
available?

through a forest of these. I mean that
would get very expensive if

you want to create a forest of these at
five hundred fifty dollars a pop.

Do it. Do it all that contextually money.

I'm not buying that stupid toothbrush,

Why would

but I'm gonna buy these.

you buy this? You'll buy this.

Also they're

Floss your

teeth with that, buddy. You talk about
putting a light

But you floss that.

in your mouth. Come on.

That's it. ~ Anchor unveiled some new
things.

They have something called a mind base,

which is HomeKit secure video support,

but is also an on-device home LLM.

So this box will download models,

process camera footage locally on the
device in your home,

and then you can ask it things or whatever
and get alerts.

based on the LLM processing the video
footage locally in your home.

So this is a play on like you don't have
to send your video footage

out to some service or pay for a monthly
subscription.

You can have it locally there on this
device in your home.

It also supports Matter and Home Kit
Secure Video.

So you can still get the cameras that
connect to this thing in the home

app doing home get secure video,

but also on device LMs. I know a little
bit about this because I have a device

I can talk about that does something
similar.

And well anyway, well I'll talk about that
soon.

I think. I 'cause I don't exactly know
when the embargo is.

So I'm just not gonna talk about it.

so that's the out there. Yeah,

I feel hold on, I we need to talk about
that for a second.

go ahead. Yeah,

yeah, please.

Okay. I'm not I'm not trying to like I'm
being sincere.

Do you want this in your house?

And my reason for asking is does

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

it matter like well first of all,

without question, Brendan Carr is a dummy
and we'll probably ban this because they

make these in China, right? Like it's
there's no just no way that this that

the current administration is gonna allow
this.

But let's say that they do, like this is
it does seem like my point is,

if Apple TV did this, we'd be like,

sweet, like great, because we n we we

Right.

just have a level of understanding of what
that means.

But do you as like a pretty educated home
smart home person,

do you w want something like this?

Me personally, no, because I'm all in on
HomeKit Secure Video.

But if one was not all in on HomeKit
Secure Video and maybe wanted to

use lots of different cameras that don't
support HomeKit,

you could get a device like this,

not pay a monthly subscription for Cloud
Storage.

Because that's the other thing,

is you put a bunch hard drives in these
things and it saves

the video footage locally. So if you want
the video footage local in your house

on a hard drive,

And get the benefits of the AI processing,

recognition of faces, alerts, and all of
that.

I think there's a segment of people that
want that.

Like they want their data in their home.

Now, you've been able to do that with like
Ubiquiti's camera system for a long time.

Not all the AI stuff just yet,

but if you wanted a security camera system
where the footage is on a server

in your home and then you access it from
the app on your phone,

like you could do that. It's just now what
this new wave of devices

is the having the AI processing.

Now

Apple intelligence in the home is not bad.

I'm not gonna say it's great, and the AI
that these devices can

do are probably better. But on the beta,

like right now, I'm down for like the
Apple intelligence figuring out that
there's

a FedEx truck. Like you can search for
that and it will use Apple Intelligence

to look at the home kit secure video clips
and actually say,

here's the clip with the FedEx truck.

Here's the clip with the Amazon package,

and it will recognize the logo.

So Apple Intelligence is doing that right
now.

And I've been using facial recognition for
years.

Like that's been a feature on Apple
HomeKit video forever.

And it's pretty good. Like I will get the
home pods saying when someone rings

my video doorbell, so and so is at the
door.

And it's fairly accurate. And you can
train it and you could do it.

So if you're all in on the Apple home
ecosystem and home kit secure video,

I don't think these products are as
tempting because you kind of have these
features

already. And I don't care if the footage
is in my house on a hard drive personally.

But if people do, this would be an option
for them.

Does that make sense? Yeah.

yep,

I'm gonna warn you that ~ it's about to
storm here.

You can see how dark it is out that
window.

It is very dark.

So if it does, I apologize. Nothing I can
do.

Does the does the power blip when that
happens?

I mean we'll see. I'm out in a shed.

It's hard to know. I mean the line

That's all I'm saying. ~

is buried pretty deep, but all of our
lines are buried.

Okay, we'll see. Yeah.

I'm just warning you in advance.

Okay, we'll see. Well and I'll and last
thing I'll mention,

I can't mention what I have here,

but I like I have one of these in my home
right now.

Not this one, but it's something similar.

And it's kind of big. Like you you would
want to put this in a closet somewhere.

But it also has like a voice assistant.

So you can't like if you want to use that
kind of stuff,

you couldn't just shove it in a closet

Right.

somewhere. So anyway, I don't Anyway

I just don't

know how I feel about video of things
happening in the house going up to

a server or somewhere with L L M's
processing.

But that's what that's the thing,

that's the benefit. It's not going up to a
server somewhere.

So you okay, so you have to download local
models on this?

Yeah, like

literally models get downloaded to this
server device on my in my house.

And so you could you know, if you didn't
have internet access,

but it's the Wi Fi was still on or
whatever,

the cameras could still talk to this thing
and it could process everything

and nothing goes to the cloud.

And it's it's using like Quen like the
model is like Quen five or whatever.

And so it's one of those local LM.

So that that's the that's the deal with
these.

But

All right.

anyway, home kit secure video is pretty
good too.

~

We'll look for my iOS twenty seven review
come coming in a couple weeks.

a couple of things from IFA. A car has a
bunch of new smart lights,

including the long like the tall tower
gradient light type stuff.

The floor lamp T1 is out there.

They also have a new down light and
outdoor string lights.

Typic before Govi has kind of been like
just the go-to for

the permanent outdoor lights on the house.

A car is getting into that game as well.

This is all announced at IFA. And Belkin
introduced some new solid state batteries.

And solid state is a technology that
hopefully batteries will last longer,

like more charge cycles, holding more of
the ~ you know,

battery capacity for longer. And batteries
can be thinner,

not get as hot. So Belkin has released a
couple of these.

One looks very thin, very attractive.

I ~ you know, it's MagSafe batteries.

I'm gonna try every single one of them.

~ one is just a power bank with a cable,

one is a magSafe battery. But totally
gonna try these.

And other companies like CoolSill and Zenz
are also make the solid state battery.

Do you have any solid state batteries or
power?

I

don't I have no idea. Probably not because
I don't think I've bought any

so I mean the last

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

one I got was this one. So the iPhone Air
one.

The the air iPhone Air MagSafe battery.

This is the newest

Yeah.

battery I have.

~ all right. Well, and this this thing was
just announced at EFA,

and so I I assume I could talk about it on
the show.

It's gonna be in a sponsored video next
week,

but like it's announced, so I think I'm
gonna talk about it.

Anchor released their updated MagSafe
battery.

This is the Anchor Maggo2 Pro,

and it's pretty awesome. So it's a MagSafe
battery,

it's G two twenty five watt.

Has a built in kickstand, super fun.

It's got the display on the side.

It'll even tell you how fast it's
charging.

It'll tell you the wattage output on the
screen,

which is not something any battery I've
had before does.

This part, this is not sponsored.

I just want to talk about it because I
actually tested this.

Sponsored is next week in a video or
whatever.

It's got like cooling fans. So there's
like full on fan vents on the

top and bottom for cooling and keeping
your iPhone and the MagSafe battery cool.

And I kid you not, Jason.

This thing got up to 27 watt speed
charging,

which is unheard of. I mean, Qi2 is just
25 watts,

but this thing, if you leave it sitting
still,

the phone not doing anything, it got all
the way up to 27 watt output,

and it charged in 10 minutes from 1 to 25%
on my iPhone

17 Pro Max, which is really fast.

Like pretty much now you can charge up to
45 watts speeds with a cable.

With the iPhone seventeen lineup,

but twenty seven watt charging wirelessly
is really good.

And this is a pretty sweet magSafe
battery.

Might be my pick for this year.

We'll see.

Yeah.

The EcoFlow batteries that I have do tell
you the charging w what they're charging

at. Now those are not mag safe batteries,

they're just the those towers and they'll
tell you like

Right, right, the two.

this is the the wattage that we're sending
out or whatever.

Yeah, yeah.

But

that is kinda cool to have that on a small
one.

~ but yeah, I mean I don't like I
understand the reason why it has fans.

I don't really like the idea of like
carrying around fans.

I don't want

It's not I mean,

I need to get my previous model,

you know, Anchor's previous Q2 one,

which was the best as far as speed battery
pack for a long time,

it was thicker than this. So this is
actually thinner with the same capacity
plus

fans. So it's not bad. But I'm gonna do
more testing.

I have a little shortcut that I test all
these batteries with where

as it hits certain battery percentages,

it writes it to an Apple note and so I get
the exact numbers.

But one thing is cool too, the well,

I forgot I was gonna say.

So is

that this one? This is G two, right?

That's that was their last model magSave
battery.

And that one was very good. They they also
no,

Yeah, okay. But you're saying this is
thicker than the one that you have

in your hand? ~

there was one bef

there was one around that time that had a
display on the side.

Okay, okay, gotcha.

And this is like the updated model of that
display display one.

Got it. Okay.

but yeah, it charged it charged fast and
you don't really hear the fans.

~ what I noticed when I was testing it,

I was just kind of watching the wattage go
up and down.

When a text message came in, whenever I
got a notification.

The charging speed dropped. And I don't
know if that is

the iPhone like not accepting as fast a
charge when there's like

Bro, I'm I'm busy, bro. I'll be back with
you in a minute.

or or like

or if it's like the Wi-Fi and cellular
radio requiring a certain amount

of power and so the w the charging drops.

But then once like I got the notification,

the lock screen turned on. Once the screen
turned off and went dark again,

I would see the wattage slowly climb back
up to twenty seven watts,

and I'm like

That's interesting. Like any usage,

even if you're not actively using the
phone,

if you just get a notification or
whatever,

that adjusts that changes the speed that
it's charging.

And so if you really need the fastest
charge out of a bat a mag safe battery,

and I would think this is universal,

I guess put it in do not disturb mode.

And but that also doesn't affect like if
text messages still come in,

you just don't get notified. So I don't I
th that was an interesting experience

for me. I just I don't know. I'm a nerd,

I guess.

Interesting.

I found I know, no one else cares,

but I thought it was interesting.

Leave us a five star rating review.

Let me know if anybody cares about that.

Well, there's also

the possibility, without believerance too
much,

'cause we know our audience doesn't like
that,

that

I don't know how they're how it measures
it because like is it measuring what it's

sending? 'Cause that shouldn't change.

Or is it measuring the like net increase
of battery?

Because if it's using a little bit of
battery to deal with it,

the device may be sending the same amount,

but the net increase, it's kind of like if
you were charging

yeah, that's true.

something but you're using it,

the net is the difference between in
versus what you're using,

right? So maybe it's measur maybe there's
'cause we know that these like it's

capable of knowing that, right?

Yeah. That's

So

that is curious. I I might ask I'll ask
them.

I'll send them an email because I am
curious about that.

So anyway, so this is our last episode ~
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So the all of September we have sponsors
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But we're really grateful for the members
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You can do that at the link down in the
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You get the whole ad free and member,

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Jason.

I don't have an ad read prepared.

We talked about these we expect we we

Well, what's your C T A?

talked about these pretty extensively last
week.

But yeah,

Yeah, we

I have two apps. One of them you can get
in the app store,

both the Mac App Store, the iOS,

iPad, whatever. I don't have a Vision Pro
version,

I don't think. But I'm pretty sure you can
just run the iPad version

You can run the iPad version. Yeah.

on the Vision Pro and it's fine.

That's

contextly. ~ it's available in the App
Store.

It's basically notes plus

your calendar syncs to it so that when
you're going through your day,

you can sync all of your notes to your
calendar.

And then the cool feature is that it will
summarize those notes for you

and pull out action items that you can
then send to like things

or reminder or whatever. So it's really
kind of a cool way of like

a workflow that's between I have a
meeting.

Here's the notes I took in the meeting.

What do I need to do after that meeting?

And then send them. It does not have it
does have like a rudimentary version

of to-dos in it, but the only reason for
that is to collect them and then send them

to whatever app you're already using.

Right? This is not a great calendar app.

It's not a great to-do app. It is meant to
sort of be the in-between.

It's also like I just wanted an app that
was basically notes,

but I could access my calendar to sync
things.

So that's what it is. It's it's designed
to sort of have the same simple feel

to it as that. So contextually,

you can get in the Mac App Store or the
iPos app store.

Great. It's awesome. It's a lot of fun.

I use it every single day. I love it.

So the other one is Element, which is a
photo processing app.

Basically, I did my best to recreate what
Element.

All the things I loved about Aperture,

right? I don't love paying a subscription
to Lightroom.

I don't love I don't love some of the
tools in Lightroom.

To be completely candid, there are
definitely tools I've heard I've gotten
Steven,

I think it was roughly 350 pieces of
feedback from people using this,

right? And

Well

tried to incorporate all of them and there
are a lot of things where people

are like, Well, you don't do this the way
that Capture One

or Photomechanic or Lightroom or whatever.

I'm like, Yes, because

Lightroom has, I don't know, a couple
hundred people working on it and

a few million lines of code and I don't.

So ~ it's it is it is designed to be very,

very, very fast. So if you take a lot of
photos and you want to call them

and edit them very quickly and then either

export them to one of the services that
you use or send them to clients.

It's meant to do that very quickly.

It's not a f Apple Photos replacement,

although you can just point it at your
photos library and just import

all that stuff if you want to.

But it is really designed as a raw call
and editor.

~ and it's available right now if you
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There you

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Thank you, Jason. ~ this sh this episode
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And you know we should we should name our
like you know,

the app umbrella. I don't know,

I don't what you call it. Narnia Narnia
apps,

like your office area is is Narnia during
the winter.

Something like that. You know what I mean?

~ well my I

mean there I do there is an L L C for it,

but that the apps are in, but yeah,

Well. Okay.

anyway.

So there's that. And I'll just plug my
apps real quickly.

Can do is doing really well. And I've been
updating it a ton recently.

I've now added subtasks, the ability to
add a location to a task.

You can sort individual columns by due
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by name. You can filter columns by tag.

So I've been adding a bunch new features.

It's a $3 one-time purchase and you just
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If you've already gotten it, I'd
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in the App Store and ~ again iOS,

Mac, iPad, and yes, Vision Pro.

And I was using it yesterday in Vision Pro
and it works great there.

I did all the things and I'm like,

okay, great. This is this is good.

So that's can do. And you know,

appreciate that if you want a task ad and
you Kanban boards,

that's the way to go. And Stash is my
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This is free to download.

You can try it out. It is also for iPhone,

Mac, and Apple Vision Pro. And version 1.1
just came out this morning and

it has now added a third-party keyboard.

So if you want to access your text
snippets,

URLs, documents, gifs, and photos that you
share often,

you save it in the stash app, and then you
can either put something

in the control center to access your stuff
quickly.

You can create a shortcut that immediately
lets you choose a document,

put it on your clipboard and paste it.

And now, version one point one,

you can put the third party keyboard and
just use that wherever you're typing

and still access everything in your stash
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So that's version one point one.

The keyboard is part of the free version.

You get all that for free. Try stash.

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Yeah. You

wanna know one of the biggest pieces of
feedback I got and I just noticed this

because we're looking at a screenshot of
your app store page.

People were like, I don't understand how
this app is only ten megabytes.

Because Lightroom is like three point
eight gigabytes.

And people

~

are like, Well, it's like, well,

I don't have a three and three and a half
million lines of code.

Also, I don't have like an AI engine in
there.

Also, like there's a lot of things,

but like

Right.

it's funny

how people are like, I went to download
your app and it downloaded so fast

I wasn't sure that I did it right.

It's like, yeah. Yep.

Haha, that's funny. Yeah, Stash Stash is a
five megabyte app.

So and I think Can Do is like fourteen
megabytes.

Let me check real quick. no, twenty five.

Can do is twenty five megabytes.

So, you know, it's a serious app for
serious people.

There you go. It's bigger than elephant.

Okay. That's the that's the tagline.

It's a serious app for serious people.

All right. Sonos actually released some
products.

I'll be honest, Jason, I struggle to be
excited about Sonos stuff.

I don't know why. I love Sonos stuff.

I use it all the time. But like new Sonos
products,

it's like, okay.

That's cool. So they announced Sonos Ace
Ultra,

new upgraded headphones. These headphones,

the biggest difference over the last Sonos
Ace is these will connect

to your Wi-Fi network and actually send
audio over Wi-Fi,

supposedly using the headphone engine 2
silicon.

It will connect to your phone or TV and it
enables uncompressed zero latency

spatial audio.

In the headphones. Whether you can hear
that difference or not remains to be seen.

But that's the Sonos Ace Ultra headphones.

They're going to be five four hundred
fifty dollars,

which was the price of the I think
original ace when they first came out.

Right now they're like 300 something.

But those are the Sonos Ace Ultra.

They'll be available later this month.

Listen, I I do headphone reviews on the
channel.

I don't I don't know if I'm gonna review
these.

I mean, I feel like nah. Nah,

bro.

Yeah, I mean

there are a lot of headphones out there.

A lot headphones

out there. And like it's great,

you know, Sonos is really trying to come
back from their app debacle

and all that kind of stuff. So they
launched these and they also launched

the new Beam Ultra. And again,

I love my Sonos beam. I use a beam in ~ my
master bedroom with a sub mini.

Excellent sound. ~ but now, you know,

the Sony Arc Ultra has was recently
upgraded.

That's now like eleven hundred dollars.

And so now there's a beam ultra.

7.1.2 Dolby Atmos and a soundbar,

$700. It has a I think nine speaker array.

So nine speakers now in the Sonos Beam
Ultra.

whereas the previous Sonos Beam,

like the one I have, just is a 5.0,

just five speakers. So a lot of speakers
in there.

It probably sounds amazing. If you are
looking for a high quality soundbar,

I would still recommend Sonos as the way
to go.

I think the Sonos Beam

For a bedroom or smaller living room,

and now the Beam Ultra would be amazing.

It I would probably do it over a pair of
HomePod 2s.

I think it sounds really good,

especially if you have the funds to be
able to put a sub-mini with it,

a Sonos sub-mini. But those are out there:

new soundbar, new headphones, and Sonos
like software 27,

they're calling it or whatever.

Sonos is putting more AI and stuff where
you can have ChatGPT.

and Gemini in the voice assistance of the
Sonos products and you

can update your devices, including
headphones and your sound bars,

to talk to AI through your Sonos stuff.

I don't like that's not something I really
care to do,

but you know.

I know, but I want I just like I have a I
don't know what that is,

an Aero One hundred maybe, and I've got an
an arc and a sub.

They're fantastic.

Yeah, yeah. They sound great.

It's great. There's only one beef which is
the fact that like the you have

to turn the sound up every time on the
soundbar because for some reason

it goes to zero every time I turn on my
Apple TV.

I don't understand.

Have

you changed that Apple TV setting?

The audio one? Do that.

might need to do that. But but

Yeah.

but my you know what, you're right.

I think we did do that and it I think
maybe it is better now.

We don't watch a lot of T V. But my point
is I just wanted to make great sound.

I don't

Yeah, yeah,

wanted to do all these other things.

yeah. Yeah, the AI stuff feels weird and
like I don't know,

trying to get people into thinking like
the app is fine again.

One other feature though I will say,

and this is I'm glad they added it,

but also it's kind of annoying because you
can use Sonos portable speakers

now for your surround sounds. So let's say
you have a Sonos beam and a sub-mini,

and you have a Sonos play, a pair of Sonos
plays or move twos,

you can now use those as the rear surround
speakers in a setup.

Which is cool and makes sense because
they're rechargeable speakers.

You can just bring them into the room when
you watch a movie and then

put them back outside or wherever you have
them.

They're portable, so you can again move
them anywhere.

Cool that you can do that. You do need a
pair of Sonos plays or move twos together.

And I have a Sonos move two and a Sonos
move one.

So I can't do this.

Ha ha.

You need two move twos or two Sonos plays.

You can't mix and match a move.

And this is this has been an ongoing thing
where like

Sonos allows you to, like if you have a
one,

I forget what it was. There was another
speaker too,

where you had to have exactly the same
model for the be t to be used

as rear speakers. So if there's someone
out there who has two move twos,

you can now use them as surround speakers.

But if you have move one and move two,

you're out of luck. No dice, no dice.

All right, some AI news. NVIDIA.

This just happened. This broke this
morning.

I don't even know if you heard of this,

Jason. NVIDIA has now said they are buying
Hugging Face,

the open source AI repository.

repository for thirteen billion dollars.

Hugging Face, if you remember,

was the company that was breached by
OpenAI's models.

And there's that whole report we touched
on last week.

But now Nvidia's buying Hugging Face,

this this repository, I think in a play to
not be so dependent

on OpenAI or Anthropic using their GPUs,

they can now do stuff maybe with their
quote unquote own models or at least

do stuff with open source models and

Who knows? But kind of a big deal.

They're buying I can face.

mean really this is just I think a play
for NVIDIA to control

the distribution of open open AI models,

right? The the distribution like sort of
like layer for ~

For open source models.

sort of but also like yeah open yeah open
source models and ~ because it's kind

of like the GitHub for AI models.

That's kind of what Hugging Face is,

Right, right.

right?

And because NVIDIA needs

AI as a category to stay bigger than just

Right.

OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google.

And part of the reason is ~ Google doesn't
use NVIDIA chips necessarily,

right? They use their own stuff.

OpenAI is we we s heard last week that
they're building their own chip,

right? And supposedly

Right.

it's pretty good. Anthropic's gonna be
doing the same sort of thing.

And so what they need is it's like their
business depends on there being

a very robust market for training.

and running AI and this is a way to do
that.

Yeah, exactly. So that is NVIDIA my
hugging face.

And then also yeah news, Fable five point
one updated model came

out from Anthropic and you're able to use
it immediately if you're

on like the Claude Max plans, Claude Fable
five dot one and mythos five dot one,

which is not available to the public,

but apparently that models it out.

And I just want to say I've been using
Fable nonstop and can do in stash

and in development.

Fable's been really good for most things.

As soon as Fable 5.1 came out,

I moved to that model. And that is when I
asked it to build

the stash third-party keyboard.

Jason, let just tell you. It one-shotted
that keyboard.

And I that's what's shipping in the app
right now.

Like I didn't ha I tested it. I tested it
live during my shortcuts live stream

on Wednesday. And it worked great.

Everything was flawless. And

The first shot. And so Fable five dot one,

thumbs up for me.

Did it give you a boat emoji and say ship
it?

It is supposedly Fable Five. One is also
going to be less annoying in

how it talks to you. Supposedly.

I sure hope so.

In the few pr like I only did a few
prompts back and forth because it only
took

a few prompts for that stash thing.

But I think I think it's a little less
annoying and it's a little clearer

on its explanations. Like it's given me a
few bullet points rather than like four

paragraphs to read every time it makes a
change.

And just less follow up.

Like I've

Sometimes when I make a UI tweak,

you know, sometimes I'll ask Claude,

like, hey, I want the icon in the cards
for the can do app to be like this

or move this a little bit. And with Fable
Five,

sometimes it would take two or three
iterations to be like,

you know, you didn't really move it where
I wanted it.

Let me draw it. Let me pull, you know,

put an arrow in the screenshot so you know
exactly where to put it.

The few times I've had for UI changes with
Fable 5.1,

just in the last week, much less back and
forth.

And less iterations, which is great
because that means less tokens

and less requests that I'm sending to
Claude.

And they also changed how they are
charging for certain models and so

you might get a little more usage out of
it.

But again, test flight for Stash and Can
Do is part of the membership benefits

if you support the podcast. Those links
are down in the show notes.

But Fable five dot one, pretty great.

I'd be curious if you do anything with it
soon with your apps.

I've been using it. I've

Okay.

yeah, I mean it's I think it's pretty
good.

I've been I used it actually to to do a
little bit of editing on some stuff,

but I I've realized that I

Typically unless I'm doing some pretty
extensive stuff,

just use Opus five because

Really.

yeah, for most things it's fine and I'm a
little bit picky about the

way it responds and I prefer like you get
used to a thing.

But for cowork stuff, Opus V is just
totally fine.

Like I don't need to run Fable to do some
of the cowork stuff because

you just like set up a r I set up a bunch
of these routines once and

it just does them. Like every day I get an
email and it pulls the

top ten stories from the previous day.

puts

them in a digest, loads it as a page in in
Notion for me,

and then emails me a summary of it with a
link to the Notion page.

I don't need fable to be able to do that.

I don't need to burn that many tokens
every time this runs at five fifteen

in the morning.

Yeah, well and I use Opus for everything
outside of my apps.

Yeah, yeah, I use Yeah,

Sure, okay. Fair. That's basically I guess
what I'm saying.

So yeah.

I use

right, I use Opus V for all of that.

But when it comes when I'm going over to
Cloud Code,

it's Fable all the time. And the other
thing too,

I am I built or asked Claude Code to build
an MCP connector for Candu.

And Fable 5.1 seems to have done it great.

And so Yeah.

Nice.

Next version of Can Do will have MCP
support.

Couple court things. The ongoing lawsuit
between OpenAI and the New York Times.

This has been going on for a long time.

Well, the Trump administration actually
weighed in on it.

And they sided with OpenAI for a couple
things.

One, I'm gonna read from the the
statement.

It says well, this is from the Wired
article,

which I'll link below. It says on Tuesday,

the federal government submitted a letter
to the court stating that

the United States has a strong interest in
whether AI training on copyright works

is considered fair use.

Because it connects to whether the
country's AI industry can,

and this is quoting from the
administration statement,

retain global leadership and artificial
intelligence,

and the fair use rule shields certain uses
of copyrighted material.

So basically the Trump administration is
saying we need to remain competitive

as America in the AI race, and letting
these companies like OpenAI slurp

up all the content and creation that
humans have done for years needs to

be okay so we can remain.

competitive. Now, I'm of I'm of two minds
here.

One, fair use as a thing,

like I I taught a class a few years ago
about podcasting,

and fair use was like a training that I
had to take in order to teach

the class and then I had to like try and
explain it.

And fair use is one of the things where,

you know, if something is transformative
where you take a piece of work

and you remix it like a song.

In some cases, you're allowed to do that
under fair use.

Or if you want to use 15 seconds of
something,

fair use allows for that. 15 seconds of a
video of a song in something that

you make. Or things like, you know,

parody, comedy, those are also like uses
of content,

but it's transformative. And so fair use,

and also like for educational purposes.

Like there's rules in fair use where if
you want to show a ~

movie to a class for an educational
purpose,

it's a film class, there's like rules in
fair use where you can do that.

I mean, in I d I don't think fair use was
developed as a

l like a law way before AI. And so to say
that what AI is doing is fair use,

I feel like is cart before the horse,

like I think you would have to examine
what that means in an AI context

to say this is fair use or not.

But also that

Remaining competitive in the AI landscape
is dependent on slurping

up all this content and using people's
work and writing and creative works
without

permission, that that's that seems
strange.

Like I don't know why that's you know I I
mean I get it,

but that seems like maybe not a great
reason.

And three, what does it mean to be to fall
behind AIs of other countries

and what is the risk? Is it cybersecurity?

Is it

Hacking, like what is the risk?

There's not really explanations there.

Yeah, I think it's interesting because I
don't I'm super not a lawyer,

but I am someone who has made a lot of
copyrighted material as a photographer,

as a writer, all that stuff. So like this
is a thing I do care about,

right? And one of the pieces about fair
use is the idea that essentially fair

use is saying that copyright protection is
not absolute.

There are ways you can use copyrighted
materials without the owner's consent,

right? What

~ one way of thinking about it is fair use
essentially says you can

do things that otherwise would be a
violation of someone's copyright,

Right.

but it's okay. And the and typically
there's like four prongs to this,

right? It's like the purpose and the use
of it.

There's the like what is the copyright
work that you're using,

what is the effect on the market,

and then how much of it are you using?

And I think on most of those counts,

like what the companies have done.

For sure the amount is like all of it.

It's like just like all you you fair

Yeah.

use, the idea is like you shoe a showed a
clip from a movie in a class

and then you gave commentary on it because
you're studying films.

Right Right Right.

Not you just showed the whole movie
because

it's like maybe we could make one like
this.

Right? Like it's not that's not how this
is supposed to work.

Right. Right.

And as

far as the effect on the potential market,

if you get to a point where you can just
ask ChatGPT,

hey, spit out the article from yesterday's
New York Times headline.

Right.

Is that really going to be fair use?

Now, it's tricky because the New York
Times article from yesterday wasn't used

to train the the version of Chat GPT that
you're using,

but it can just regurgitate it because it
can do a Google search or whatever it is.

Right.

And so it is really kind of tricky.

And the this feels like one of those
things that

the administration has said that is true.

But that's not the reason that they said
it.

So what I mean is, yes, we want to be like
the global leaders in AI.

We do not want any other company,

really, we're just talking at this point
about China,

to have better AI capabilities than us.

And for sure China's just slurping up the
entire internet.

Right? But that is such

Right. Right.

a weird argument to say we should do more
bad than they did because we need

to be better than they are. Like

Is that really the argument? And what

Yeah.

it seems like is actually happening is
that like here's what I mean by they said

a thing that's true, which is that,

but that's not the reason that they're
saying it.

Well, th it feels like the reason they're
saying it is because all

of these AI CEOs have just done everything
they can to buddy

up against the administration so they can
get these kind of outcomes.

Correct. And this other so and to be
clear,

this was a letter from the Trump
administration to the court trying

to sway the opinion. But the court the
court doesn't have to like take this into

account at all or follow it. Like this is
just the administration telling their

position and trying to be convincing or
persuasive.

This is not, you know, binding in any way.

This sh doesn't have to affect the
outcome.

But one of the parts in the letter is that
training LLMs on copyrighted works

is considered, quote, extraordinarily
transformative.

Meaning that these systems meaningfully
change their inputs.

And the administration ~ argued and also
wrote that OpenAI's LLMs

do not significantly compete with the New
York Times' articles,

which that feels just patently false,

because there were times in years past I
don't like a year or two

ago where you could ask ChatGPT and it
would just like tell you the article.

Or there's been many times where I'll be
running a shortcut for primary tech daily

that will like an article might be
paywalled,

but if I send that link.

to an LLM, it will then just give me a
summary back.

And it's like, okay, it did not give me
the verbatim article,

but it also did a thing where I didn't
have

They definitely had an

effect on the market because you didn't
have to pay for the paywall.

That. And so there's like clear,

like there's sweeping statements in this
letter that are patently just not true,

I think. Like it does affect whether
someone pays for the subscription.

And saying extraordinarily transformative,

like that that wording is doing a lot of
work.

Like I don't like trying to say
transformative is it in I don't know,

it's it's wordsmithing just trying to like
wave handed away.

Like it's extraordinarily

Yeah.

transformative, so it's fine.

I think at the I think on the one hand,

for the purpose of research, training
would absolutely be considered fair use,

don't you think? Like if it's like we're
gonna train all these things because we're

doing research, but the moment you make
them into products,

now you've invited like the market effect.

And you s in these

Yeah.

in the purpose and the character of the
use changes dramatically in terms

of like going from a research conceptual
thing to

We're shipping chat GPT. Two point five is
here,

it's out the door. We got a billion users.

But and that but and that much research
would inevitably lead to a product.

Otherwise why would they do it?

You know what I mean? Like

I think the people who joined OpenAI to
begin with did not do

it because they thought it was gonna be
product.

And that doesn't matter for the court,

Okay, that's fair. That's fair.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

but I'm just saying like originally

this was like, Yeah, let's let's let's
figure this kind of thing out.

I think one reason that the court has done
this is that there are,

I believe, a couple of instances where
lower court judges have said that training

is fair use. I don't know the particulars
of this.

So don't

Yeah, yeah.

like I don't wanna go too far,

but it does seem like the administration

wants to have their opinion of this on the
record because courts

do typically weigh the Department of
Justice perspectives

on things fairly weightily, right?

Yeah,

yeah, yeah.

And I think that they want it to have
their opinions on the record before those

cases reach the appeals courts or the
Supreme Court.

Right. They're trying to sort of seed the
record and im influence that

now and because they're not a party to the
case.

Right? Like the the the

Right, right, right, right.

federal government either they have would
have to sue someone or be sued,

but that doesn't make any sense here.

So so

Right, they're just not a part of it,

yeah.

And whether one other open AI piece of
news,

we had talked about this model Astra that
OpenAI put the brakes

on recently because they thought it was w
I don't know,

might be too powerful or whatever.

And one of the researchers voiced this
concern,

and I want to read this from the Verge
article about what makes Astra maybe more

concerning than other models.

And as an explanation, like when you use
these LLMs,

as it is quote unquote thinking,

which I understand that word is not
totally accurate to what it's doing,

but as they think and reason, even as you
can ask Fable 5.1 to do something,

like make a change to your app,

and you can see the processes it's going
through.

You can see what tools it's using,

you can see what websites it might be
visiting,

what you know, thought processes it's
going through.

And that allows those testing and training
these LLMs to see what

the model is doing.

To a certain extent. Well, Astra
apparently uses a more opaque technique.

I'm reading from the Verge article now,

known as a recurrent depth or looped
transformer,

which cycles information through internal
layers before producing an output.

This would mean much more of the model's
thinking happens inside the system

and in a form that looks a lot less like
natural human language rather than being

expressed in a way that researchers can
easily monitor.

This might boost model performance.

But makes potential threats and unwanted
behavior harder to detect.

So what this means is this Astra model,

as it is working on something,

like maybe a cybersecurity issue,

but then it also might go off and hack
hugging face,

that researchers can't look inside and see
what it's thinking,

how it's reasoning. So it's even more of a
black box.

Like a lot of LLM research and what it's
doing is a black box already.

And this is even more opaque because it it
produ it is running through this

information in a more obscure way.

Which feels like again, raptors in
Jurassic Park.

We can't even see what they're doing
inside the cage,

so we don't even know what's happening.

That seems like a bad idea.

Yeah, I mean we already know that these
things,

w with in the hugging face like made their
own message board and they could

go and see the conversation. But now
imagine if you couldn't.

Imagine if you had no

Rights.

idea what was going on. And so it isn't
it's not it's not necessarily

I don't think that they're worried that
this particular one will be capable

of more things. It's that we won't know
what it's capable of.

Yeah, that. That's that seems scary.

So anyway, there was some other news.

~ Google dodged some of its breakup
attempt and AdTech doesn't have to

be sold off right now. Uber is laying off
ten percent of its staff,

which is wild. But I want to get to our
event prognostications,

Jason. This time

Okay, good. I was wondering if we were
gonna do that.

Yeah, this time next week, we will know
definitively what Apple has announced.

The event is next Wednesday, September
ninth,

one PM Eastern, ten A.M. Pacific,

and

I don't know, man. It looks like this is
the year that we're going to

get the iPhone fold. Are you what?

Big picture. What do you think we're going
to see announced next week?

I'll I'll let me run down what I think.

I'll tell you and then give you time to
think.

Okay.

I think we're going to see the iPhone 18
Pro and the iPhone Fold or Ultra,

whatever that's called. We're going to see
Apple Watch Series 12

and Apple Watch Ultra 4, and maybe AirPods
5.

I think that's all we're gonna see.

I am so hoping to see smart home stuff.

I think it will be at a later event or
another time.

You know, if the iPhone fold is really
coming out next Wednesday,

they're gonna spend a lot of time on it.

And I feel like, yeah. I th I think we're
we'll have to wait for Apple

TV and HomePod maybe October, maybe press
release.

We'll see. And, you know, this has been
one of the things up in the air.

Will Apple release an iPhone 18 non-pro
model?

And I am now of the opinion that I think
Apple will not release the 18.

This way they can keep the starting price
of the iPhone.

And they can say the iPhone 17 starts at
$7.99 and that's not changing.

But the 18 Pro and the Fold will be more
expensive.

Raise the price because of all the
Ramageddon and stuff.

So I feel like I'm I'm 50 50, but I feel
like we might not see an iPhone

18 next week. We might just see the Pro
and the Fold model.

And I feel like the event will be Apple
Watch series twelve,

Apple Watch Ultra, AirPods in the middle,

eighteen pro iPhone fold. That's my
prediction.

What do you think?

I mean, I think that's probably right.

I forgot that we're already on the fourth
ultra because I'm still rocking

a Ultra 2 because I'm I'm not giving

Same. I'm on the two.

it up because I got a real one.

I got one that actually has a blood oxygen
sensor in it.

The blood oxygen. Yeah. Yeah.

And I don't really need that very often,

but I it's like all the parts are turned
on.

Right. That's right.

I want the one with all the parts.

Is that John Syracuse? It's like just I
want the one with all the parts.

Yeah, yeah. I'll give you all the cores.

I want all the parts to be to work.

I don't want any dead cores in there.

Yep.

So

I d I want all my sensors to work the way
they're supposed to,

the way God intended.

That's it. That's right.

I I think that seems about right,

but I'm curious what you think the story
will be.

I feel like I understand I think that the
the pro line

of phones is the I think it's the most
popular,

right? Like I think typically it's more
popular.

It is the most popular usually.

Yeah.

But

I still think it's not that popular by
much.

I see a lot of base iPhones out there.

And

Right.

normal people who don't pay a lot of
attention,

I don't you think it's gonna feel like a
miss if there's no i iPhone eighteen?

Yeah, and why I'm fifty fifty.

Like I could easy just as easily flop
you're like,

Yeah, yeah, that's probably gonna be an
iPhone eighteen.

I just if there's an iPhone eighteen,

do you think it's gonna start at seven
ninety nine,

the current price of the iPhone seventeen,

or are they gonna up the price?

That's the question.

Hmm. ~ or they do one of those jujitsu
things where the prices increase,

but actually it's because it has a
different level of storage

or something weird like that. So

Correct.

Or they're gonna go 'cause doesn't the the
iPhone seventeen start at two fifty six?

It does.

So maybe they go back to one twenty eight
and keep the price the same.

That is a possibility too, although I mean

'Cause isn't that basically what they just
did with the Mac Mini?

Didn't they kill the

They

lower the the two fifty six version?

So

Yes.

the price went up and you had to buy five
twelve and now the price

is more expensive than that, but you only
get the two fifty six.

Yeah, it's like insane.

That is exactly what happened,

yes. That could be what happens.

Yeah.

That could be yeah, I think that might be
it.

I so I don't know. I I think that if
they're going to from a time perspective
spend

a lot of time on the Ultra, then they
don't have a lot of time to talk about

the base phone. I just think the story's
really weird if it's like we do

the we do the the f the iPhone seven or
the iPhone eighteen pro,

iPhone eighteen pro Max, great.

iPhone Ultra, great. And then people are
like

I I just imagine all the conversations I'm
gonna have,

people are gonna be like, Wait,

what happened to the one that I buy?

Where's my phone? you have to wait till

Yeah. That's true.

the spring for that? That's a weird story.

It is weird. I mean, it also might be same
chip as the seventeen.

And if that's the case, what will they
upgrade?

You know, I feel like it already has
camera control,

it has an action button, and now has
ProMotion.

They can make the camera a little better.

You know, the big rumor about the new Pro
Phones is that they'll have

a variable aperture, an actual physical
shutter inside the camera

to adjust the aperture setting.

Maybe that's just pro, maybe they bring
some camera improvement to the eighteen.

But I feel like whatever improvement it
would be and and different colors.

You know, new colors would be that's
always a popular move.

So yeah, maybe they do it, but it's like
five minutes of the keynote.

You know what I mean? It's like new
eighteen pro,

new eighteen, new colors, upgraded camera.

That's it.

Yeah, it just seems like it'd be so weird
as a story to not to not have

the base one. I mean, I know they do the E
version like it some other time

and that's f that's fine, but that is a a
much more niche product,

right?

Yeah, and I'm I'm also curious what aside
from the variable aperture,

what could even the eighteen pros offer
that's new this year?

You know, a big upgraded camera,

that's cool, but we got the body change
style last year.

And I listen, I have like five different
cases right

now for the iPhone eighteen Pro Max,

like from different brands, and they all
fit perfectly.

The button placement is exactly the same.

The camera, the big

plateau cutout is the same. So we'll have
like a new color.

It's look like it might be that purple and
variable aperture camera.

New processor in the eighteen pro,

maybe a two nanometer processor.

What else? I don't know. I don't know of
anything else that would be I

Yeah, I don't know.

don't know. Maybe thunder they're not
gonna put Thunderbolt in it.

Although I would like that, but they're
probably not.

Maybe for like I don't know. Maybe eight K
eight K video recording.

That's something we still don't have on
iPhone.

No. That's not gonna happen.

You don't

think it's gonna happen?

Okay. Well, anyway, I I'm very curious.

I do think a majority of the time is gonna
be spent on the iPhone fold.

It feels like this is really happening.

Like this is the deal. A lot of people on
social media I I said,

you know, I have all these cases for the
eighteen pro that brands have sent

me already, and so it's obvious that they
know the dimensions and

all that kind stuff. I actually had a
couple of brands say,

Let's see about the fold, and we might
send you something for that.

Which either's means one

They were unsure of the dimensions or
whether the case would be good.

Two, they're unsure when it's going to
come out.

And this was the other thing I've been
saying on social media.

We might see iPhone 18 and 18 Pro where
you pre order next Friday

the eleventh. Those are available the
eighteenth,

but maybe the fold isn't available till
October or something.

Right.

You know, that's a possibility.

So do do you think that we might see that
or you think it's all available

at the same time?

I wouldn't be surprised if the fold takes
longer because they've done that before.

They've done it with like the Pro Max or
whatever.

Yeah, and even well and one thing we
haven't talked about at all and

I see almost nowhere is like the iPhone
Air.

It seems universal that we're not gonna
see anything about the iPhone

Air on Wednesday.

Well, that's interesting 'cause I've I the
rumor is they will have a two.

But j yeah, but not at this event,

supposedly.

Interesting.

Yeah. Which, you know, I will I got my
iPhone Air right here.

I bought mine off technically T,

YouTuber, because he sold it to me used.

And it's it was my beta device,

and then I started running the beta on my
main phone and didn't matter.

I went to a Yemeni coffee place this past
weekend.

~ it's near the college here, USF.

A lot college students, a lot of different
people.

I saw like three iPhone Airs.

in that coffee place at once. And I was
very surprised.

~ but people I I think they like the
iPhone Air.

It's out there.

I think that if you can get if you are not
a heavy camera care which lens you're

using, just get the air. It's incredible.

Yeah. I still feel so good, man.

It's incredible. Yeah.

Like so thin, so light. It is really.

I can't do that

with mine because it's my camera right
now,

but it would be bad, but

Okay, well

yeah. can you do the the rubber pencil
thing?

Probably not. Anyway. Yeah, I think you
can.

Probably not while it's not while I'm
using it as a camera.

No no, not you. Anyway, I'm I'm excited,

Jason. I'm ~ I'll be we'll be I'm gonna do
a recap video right after

the event on Wednesday. Then we'll talk
about the event during the Thursday show.

And are you still gonna be in New York for
the recording?

Not on Thursday. No, I'll be back.

~ you're c so you're coming back like
Wednesday?

I'm actually

I'm actually wrong. I the event is on
Wednesday.

I may come home before the event.

Yeah. ~

well look at that. There you go.

The Wednesday thing is weird.

It's weird 'cause of Labor Day and all
that kind of stuff,

but anyway,

Yep.

we'll see. Stay tuned. You can look at my
YouTube channel for a recap video,

talk all about the announcements.

I'm excited. It's happening. real quick on
personal tech,

and then we're gonna talk about in the
bonus episode what makes a device pro.

I wanna get into that a little bit.

'Cause

that's not a conversation anyone's ever
had before.

So we're gonna have it. You're probably
right.

Listen, I don't think we've had it.

Okay, that's

that's what matters. But I want to talk a
little bit about scammy apps.

This was a thread someone tagged me in on
threads.

This is from user caffeine and cab.

And I actually she has emailed me more
information.

I didn't get a chance to look at it all
before we recorded.

This is ~ Miranda, but she was reporting
on an app called Valid.

And this

App is super, it seems like a weird
vibe-coded scam that allows

you to anonymously compliment classmates.

Like this is geared at high school,

middle school age students, where you can
send compliments and maybe pay for things.

It's free to try, but then you have to pay
ten dollars and you get quote unquote

God mode, which lets you see who's
complimenting you,

which feels gross. And

the reviews of the app. She has a bunch of
screenshots.

I'll include her threads post,

but she also emailed me a bunch of like
the screenshots.

If you go to the reviews for this app,

just seems extremely sketchy. And,

you know, this is the bad side of vibe
coding where we already we've

had scam apps forever. They've been in the
app store since the I am rich

app that was a thousand dollars.

You know when the app store first
launched.

However,

that okay, stuff sorry to interrupt you.

Yeah, please.

I think it's imp I definitely do not want
to have a conversation about what

is a word again, because this will be the
third time.

However, I do it is important to say like
what a scam app is because the

Yes.

re I I'm Rich App was not a scam.

You knew exactly what

It was not a scam.

it cost. It was ridiculous, but the people
who paid for it knew exactly what they

were doing.

That is a hundred percent true.

I that should not be in the scam category.

The scams

We actually agree.

to me, I was thinking about this before.

Like our daughter one time downloaded an
app that was like,

you can take two people's pictures and
it'll show you what their baby's gonna
look

like. That's basically what this app was.

It was stupid.

Right.

But in order it was a free app,

and then when you did the thing,

it would let you see the picture for like
a short amount of time,

and then you had to tap a button to see it
longer,

and that button actually signed you up for
subscription.

And that subscription was actually like
$6.99 a week or something stupid like
that,

Yes, yes.

or a day or something.

That's a scam app. I just want to be
clear,

like, and even this one that we're talking
about feels like it's a super gross app.

The question is like

Is it a scam? Because the only way it's
getting money is if you sign up

for the ten ninety nine or the nine ninety
nine plan.

The rest of it's just disgusting.

Yeah, and I think she describes she does
not describe it as a scam app.

She describes it as a cash grabbing data
disaster,

which I think is accurate. ~ because kids
are putting in the name

of their school and the name of students,

and you have to your kids info,

name, phone number, and the school they
attend is the minimum amount.

So they are giving data to this app,

including their phone number and the
school they attend.

So there's like a safety data issue with
that.

Again, there's already a bunch of bullying
and stuff like that happening

on this service. So just be aware of that
if you're a parent,

you have kids, or you're a student and you
might be using this app.

And there's also a bunch of reviews that A
seem paid for because they're like five

star reviews, but then there's also a
bunch of like one and two star reviews
talking

about the negative effects of this app.

And that's a difficult thing to parse
because they like

You can buy reviews for an app if you
really wanted to.

That is also, I think, scammy behavior if
you want to make your app look like

it has more positive views than it does.

So it's hard to tell from that.

But if you look at also the one star
reviews,

that's a thing. And also looking at the
developer responses,

because a developer can actually reply to
reviews now and you

can see their response, that's a way to
see it.

But this questionable app,

and I wanted to bring up another app
because this hit home for me.

My son asked if he could download an app
called

Tester up, which and I'm not gonna link
any of these apps in the notes because

I wouldn't suggest downloading them.

But this was apparently ~ like proffered
by a YouTuber he followed,

and the idea is you quote unquote test
games and then get paid.

Now, if we want to define a scam,

if the promise is you get paid for playing
apps,

they you play a certain amount of time,

they say you're in a certain amount of
money,

but you never get paid for it,

I would define that as a scam.

That's definitely a scam.

Okay, thank you.

And so that feels like you know,

the app says you have to sign up with a
PayPal account or put in checking info

to get paid, which heck no. Like not doing
that.

Ha ha ha.

May

maybe a PayPal account. But he believes
that he will get paid for this.

He has earned, I think, eight cents ~ at
his according to the app so far.

You have to earn eighty dollars to get a
payout.

So it's like, okay, maybe maybe maybe
that's not a scam.

I don't know.

If anyone heard of Tester Up or has
actually tried it,

never actually got paid for it.

But I just I don't like the and as much as
we have vibe coded stuff ourselves

and apps that we like and enjoy and have
put out there for people to pay for,

there is also the risk of a lot of people
can vibe code either scammy apps

or just gross apps that might have major
data implications.

Like for our apps, I don't know,

but I don't think Cam Texas, like you
never have to put your contact info

for our apps.

No, literally neither of my apps collect
any personal information.

Yeah, like none.

The only thing

the element collects, and I don't collect
this,

Paddle collects it, is an email address.

And the only reason is that way I can look
up your license code later

if you lose it. Like that's it.

Lit like one thing. I don't even know who
you are.

There's just a thing that says email
address and license code.

Like so that we can help you.

Right, and this app one has four point
five thousand ratings,

which is like no. Like there were some
definitely bought there.

Sorry. ~

Yeah, how

did you even get four and a half thousand
downloads?

Right. And it has the in app purchase,

ten dollars, and it's data linked to you.

Like and you can see in the app store,

remember the new privacy nutrition labels,

you can see data linked to you and your
contact info is linked to you via this
app.

So the app gets your data, like your phone
number and stuff.

So anyway, watch out. Watch out for this
stuff.

Yeah, and then it says

data not linked to you, contacts.

Except one of the developer responses says
very clearly,

~ you basically you got this because
someone you know had their

had shared their contacts with us.

It's

Right.

like, okay, that's not good.

And that's the that's the thing where I'm
glad Apple implemented this feature

recently. I think it was in IOS twenty six
where when an app asks for your contact,

you can choose to just select certain
contacts rather than like with you

Yeah.

can with photos, rather than give it carte
blanche full access

to your entire contact library.

The unfortunate is you can't control what
other people who have your contact info,

Right.

like your

family and friends, when they downloaded
an app and they share if your contact info

was on their phone, well now however
careful you were,

it doesn't matter because it's out

Right.

in whatever app. So

Right.

listen, friends don't let friends share
all their contact data with random scammy

apps. That's the tagline for today.

That's a good rule.

It's a good rule. I'm glad we can agree,

Jason. We we ended this episode agreeing,

even if we didn't end last episode,

but that's okay. I want to talk about iPad
in the bonus episode,

because people have thoughts about iPad.

Let's do it.

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