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You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses,

would you? Welcome to Primary Technology,

the show about the tech news that matters.

I was twenty-seven beta three is out with
some interesting changes.

Microsoft had some major layoffs,

including big ones from the Xbox division.

Samsung announced Unpacked, Pixel Eleven
launches announced,

Netflix is doing shorts, and I'm wearing
the meta glasses.

We're gonna talk about those. This episode
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I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles,

joined by Apple TV famous actor,

Jason Ayton. How's it going, Jason?

Wait a minute, I wasn't acting,

it was a reality show.

you were to always a re excuse me,

reality show. Listen. N I don't know I
don't wanna burst anybody's bubble

Just wanna be clear.

who might be listening or watching,

but those reality shows, they're a little
scripted.

But here's the thing, I don't want anybody
I like,

I'm not a member of SAG After or whatever,

so I don't want anyone to come after me
for calling myself an actor.

~ I see, sure. Fair

enough, fair enough. Jason literally was
featured.

Not featured. He appeared.

Stop. I walked through

the background of a shot.

We'll get to all right, we'll get to it
because I have

a picture that I gotta show everybody.

But did you know where that quote came
from?

You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses,

would you? It's it's not very well known.

Well, here's the thing. I think it's a
Batman quote.

Maybe ~ it is.

I think the Joker says that. But

Yeah, you nailed it again. Yes,

that's right.

I also first I first thought it was a
Wreck It Ralph quote.

Because I'm pretty sure he quotes that in
Wreck It Ralph.

No. ~ maybe,

Well hold on, you should look.

I th but I think the the correct answer is
it's the Joker.

maybe.

It's the Jack Nichols Nicholson Joker,

That is you're correct. That is correct.

right? Yeah. Yeah. You also sort of said
it like Joker.

It is from the original Batman Michael
Keaton.

I was trying to give you a little hint.

I mean it's it seemed kind of vague at
first,

but yeah. You wouldn't hit a guy with
glasses.

I'm wearing the meta glasses right now.

I got thoughts. Other people have thoughts
about me having meta glasses.

We're gonna I want to get to all of that
later in the show.

That's what I really wanna hear actually,

~ yes,

is just the could you just collect all
their thoughts?

can it cause the glasses are just always
recording.

No, just kidding. But meta might be making
glasses that always record.

We'll get to too.

Two quick five star review shout outs.

DJ Eston thirty-one from Canada,

which says that's we're fantastic.

Thank you. And of all the tech podcasts
I've listened to,

this is the most recent. Thank you for
that.

Well,

I don't know that that's actually a raving
review.

That just means that he listened to our
podcast and then left a review.

he says fantastic. Yes.

That's correct. That's correct.

That's all that means.

That's what he did. And now this was a
four-star review,

but I want to mention it. ~ Burbank from
the USA said info and banter are
excellent,

but was struggling with the volume level.

And listen, ~ this is the whole team of
primary technology.

It's me and Jason. We do the whole thing.

I edit the show twice because we do video
and audio.

But I also understand I obsess about
audio,

and it's really tough to obsess about
audio when you're doing the video stuff

in Apple Podcasts for a variety of
reasons.

Anyway, let me know how this one sounds,

because I'm gonna do something different
on this one,

and if it makes a significant difference,

then I will continue to do it,

which will probably add

A significant amount of time to the
process,

but I will do it because I want everybody
to have a good experience.

So let me know. I'm gonna try something
different.

I'm gonna try it.

I appreciate

though it's fun that Steven edits this
show twice because that makes up

for the fact that I edit it zero times.

Yes, I appreciate that.

I edited once for both of us and it

counts it all. All right, you were in
England for July fourth,

I was. As

which is hilarious.

one does when you're an American,

you fly across the pond.

What's a kilometer? Anyway, and then you
send me

this photo, which is from the Apple TV
broadcast of the F one if someone wanted

to re-watch this, what would they watch to
see you?

If you go to Apple T V, the the Formula
One tab,

because you now get this for free if you
have an Apple T V subscription,

right? ~ I believe this was before ~ it
was either the Sprint I think

That's right. That's right.

it was either the Sprint race or
qualifying.

It was not the actual race. I will find
out and I will like tell Steven

Okay.

or something and you can put it But ~ so I
knew this was going to happen because

Yes, yes.

I realized I'm walking behind this is you
know,

this is the sky cr or the Formula One team
that does all the commentary and stuff.

Right.

So I I'm walking out to shoot.

As you can see, I'm carrying a camera and
I'm dressed in my little tabboard things.

That's what the listen, that thing you
you're you can laugh right now,

but that's what lets you basically go
anywhere on the track you want to.

No, I know, I know.

So I'm walking and all of a sudden I
realized that was probably a live shot.

They're probably like 'cause they're
talking like why would these four people

be standing there talking with a camera
pointed at them if it's

not actually being broadcast? So I was
like,

Yeah, I'm definitely gonna send that to my
my kids and my fa my my family.

So

Was it like

did did it seem like it like before the
thing,

like it was at the beginning?

This was it the ver yeah, so there yes,

I'm gonna find I'll find the link.

I believe that this was the very beginning
of qualifying for the race.

So it would have been on Saturday,

I'll find the Apple T V link to this
broadcast specifically and I will put

it in the show notes so you can all watch
Jason walk behind them.

It's really not that exciting at all.

I find it very exciting.

But there were way more

exciting things that happened.

Billy Jean King was there. Do you know who
Billie Jean King is?

Okay. I don't. Who is that? I'm sorry,

Stephen. She's like won s Wimbledon
sixteen times.

I don't know who that is.

Like six of those as a as a singles and
like ten or eleven times as a

as a doubles as a partner, doubles
partner.

Okay, that's very I did not know that.

But Billy Jean King, she's like one of the
most famous tennis players of time.

Very cool.

Anyway, there's a lot of other people.

Okay, I'll sorry, I don't know.

I'll put the official I'll put the
official why are you doing this to me,

Harrison Barnes. Do you know who Harrison
Barnes is?

Basketball player? Yeah, 'cause you don't
know anything about sports.

Jason? You can make me look I don't
anybody.

I'm gonna

put the official website of Billy Jean
King in the show notes.

Okay. Great. Anyway, it was a lot of fun.

How about that? Okay? I'm gonna do that.

That's very cool. And it is.

So Silverstone is a pretty iconic race.

It was the

first Formula One race, and so the British
Grand Prix.

And so it was a lot of fun to be there.

Okay.

Did you do anything on July fourth that
was typically American?

Yeah, I went to a barbecue, which as you
do,

in England. I don't and anyway so the
Cadillac team.

I'm surprised they allow that.

I am too, but it was in the paddock.

I'm surprised they Okay.

The Cadillac team threw a barbecue in
their area of the paddock.

It was great. I did get some people who
are pr probably from Tennessee who are
like,

That's not a barbecue. It is a barbecue.

Just to be clear listen,

If you're from Tennessee, we love you,

that's not how you sound. Jason's just
making fun of this particular Tennesseean.

that's not a barbecue. No tennis

That's

Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

even worse. Yeah.

A barbecue just means that you cook meat
over fire.

That's literally what the word barbecue
means.

I think you just made one hundred enemies,

Look it up. It was really funny because
somebody told me I was wrong.

but okay, continue.

I'm not looking it up.

They're like, Merriam Webster disagrees,

and then they sent me the photo of Merriam
Webster and it literally just says

What's a barbecue? I'm asking Siri AI.

Hold on. This is gonna Just give just give
me a second.

I appreciate it. I

A barbecue is an outdoor social gathering
where food is cooked over an open fire

or grill. The term also refers to the
cooking equipment itself and the slow
cooked,

smoked meat served at these events.

Siri AI agrees. Yeah,

So most people only think about the last
one as it's like ribs or pulled pork

yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, sure.

or something

like that. I'm like, no, that's anyway,

they had a barbecue, it was hot dogs,

burgers. It was quite the spread.

They even had like the frozen pops like
that you had as a kid,

the like push pops, the ones that you you
buy them and they're just

~ yeah, yeah.

a bunch of liquid in a warm bag and then
you put them in the freezer

and they become a popsicle and every kid
loves them.

Exactly.

Yeah, they had all that stuff.

They had Budweiser, you know, it doesn't
get any more American than that.

~ America. What's a kilometer exactly?

So anyway, I did I did

It was I posted a short little video to
threads of the whole experience

and I think it might be the most liked
post that I've ever shared.

It is like six hundred likes just from a
short video of the ~ of a barbecue

That's funny.

in the paddock. And but I I did get some
people who are like,

That's funny.

You know that team is terrible.

I'm like, I don't care and people are
like,

Yeah. Enjoy let me enjoy my freedom and
barbecue.

They're not the only American team.

I'm like, I don't care. They threw a
barbecue,

it's free burgers and hot dogs and good
stuff.

So

They

even had Coca-Cola in glass bottles.

It does not get any more Fourth of July
than that.

That's all right, that's it. We're gonna
talk about July fourth again later,

~ because I wore these glasses to the July
fourth that we went to.

And you can't measure freedom in meters.

But anyway, let's talk about I was No,

Which none of those words actually go
together,

but it's fine.

they don't. Now we said something we're
gonna do in the pre show.

We're gonna talk about iOS twenty seven
beta three and we're gonna

do something live here on the show.

I've been holding out installing the beta
on my main iPhone.

I've had it on all my side devices,

but we're gonna we're

We're both gonna put it on our main iPhone
right now.

You got yours ready? Are you gonna do it?

It's ready to go.

All right, I'm gonna do it right here.

Hold on, let me go to the software update.

I probably should have done this before.

I'm way more ready than you are.

You're way more ready. Cause I didn't even
have it on the developer beta thing,

because I was like, this is probably gonna
bork my smart home.

I'm not gonna be able to control any of my
devices.

~ See the stakes

are very low for me. I don't have any of
those th I have like two shortcuts that

See.

run and if they don't, I don't care.

See, well, I'll still have my main Mac
Studio is not gonna be on.

I can't, I'm not gonna put that on the
beta.

I'm not gonna do that till this fall.

Well, let's do it. We're gonna update our
main daily driver iPhones to

Okay.

iOS 27 beta 3. You ready? See,

I gotta put my passcode in, so hang on.

Yep. No, you're gonna have to put your
passcode in too.

I would now I'm ready. Okay. What's a
kilometer?

Yes. Yeah,

to do the update. Wait, did you already pr
did you already press the update now?

I just did. Yep, go.

Update now. yeah, you're right.

I do gotta put in my passcode.

You're right. Hold on.

And then you gotta

agree to the terms. Okay. Now it's now the
update is requested.

I gotta read the terms. did I read them?

No, no one reads them.

And now hang on, while you're doing that,

I'm gonna go ahead and update my Mac too.

Yeah, while we record, thank you.

All Well, I'm updating IO

twenty seven beta three on my main iPhone
as we speak.

Because I mean, chances are if you look at
the public beta release cycle,

it's likely coming out pretty soon.

If you were waiting for the public beta,

it's it's probably coming. So beta three
came out this past Monday,

and there's been some interesting
developments.

Number one, a huge win for the shortcuts
team.

You can now go into the shortcuts,

you can there's a toggle now where you can
say,

Good take me straight to the editor.

The actions rather than having to go to
the describe a shortcut

by default every time you tap a shortcut.

I am taking full credit for this because I
requested it day one of dub dub.

I saw somebody, I grabbed him by the
collar,

I said, Listen, I need a toggle.

I need to be able to just go straight to
the actions view,

and now you can do that. So in beta three.

So wait, what you're saying is that the

Yes.

the IOS twenty seven default was that if
you wanted to make a new shortcut,

you had to tell it what you wanted it to
do.

You couldn't just go in the way you've
been able to do forever and just start
making

one.

You could do that, but you always had to
tap the little editor.

And even if you went into a shortcut that
you had built previously,

like one of my 1500, it would go to the
describe a shortcut scene or like page

by default rather than show me the actions
of the shortcut that I

had built years ago. And my method of
working,

I always want to go to the editor,

which is what Apple calls it, or the
actions view.

And so now in beta three, you'll see there
is a page.

If you go to settings, apps, shortcuts.

You can say bring me to the editor by
default,

or if you want to go to the describe a
shortcut by default,

you can do that. So I am very thankful
that that is there.

There is also a rather ominous restore
button that

tells you 731 shortcuts on this device
aren't currently in your library.

I don't know exactly what that means,

and I'm terrified to press it.

Federico Vittici said that it basically
took all of his shortcuts that weren't

in a folder.

and kind of re-added them. So I'm not
pressing that restore button.

I would not recommend doing that.

~ but it's there if that's the thing you
want.

But it's huge win. Huge win.

There

there is a tendency that of Apple,

not just Apple, but that's the one I'm
most familiar with,

of giving you something like that that
might very well be extremely useful,

but you're like, I have no idea what
they're trying to tell me.

What does restore mean? What does it mean
that these things are not there

are seven hundred on this device that are
not in my library or that

are in my library but are not like I don't
know what you're trying to tell

I don't like that. Yeah, I know.

me and I don't know if I should push this
button or not.

And I feel like I've come across that over
the last ten years enough times that

I feel like they just need a copy editor.

Someone who can look at this and be like,

Mm.

We need to use words that people will
understand.

I think that's a good idea because that
that button is cure.

Yeah. Call me Apple. I'm happy to help.

There you go. And Jason writes,

~ we need to talk about I need to get your
take on the reminders icon in a moment.

But the other interesting development is
it looks like Siri AI is starting

to look into third-party apps.

And the one place that it seems it's doing
that consistently is with

EV device charging. And so if you're on
beta three and you ask it,

what's the charge on my car?

You will get wildly different results.

Sometimes it'll tell you, sometimes it
won't,

but it might. And so I did it on my iPhone
Air.

And what it showed me was a dropdown that
said,

I asked, like, what's the charge of my
car?

And in the notification, it says,

I'll need to access your Tesla data to use
the app.

Is that okay? A yes or no toggle,

which I was like, for sure. Go get it.

And then it says error. Sorry,

we can't do that.

So this is the very beginning stages of
this.

One, it will be interesting because I
don't think there was an update

to the Tesla app that somehow allowed
this.

So it seems like maybe because it has an
app intense,

you know, there are Tesla shortcuts
actions and there's app intense.

Maybe just out of the box, Siri AI will be
able to look at that information

and get it. But that's very exciting
because once Siri AI can look into
third-party

apps, that opens

A world of possibilities for pulling data
hopefully from things like your Gmail,

which probably doesn't have app intense
right now,

but an Outlook and all the third party
apps that people are like,

will this actually work with Siri AI?

So hopeful. I'm optimistic. Maybe.

Maybe.

Maybe.

Because

just to be clear, this story is like we
don't know like it may never work with

Tesla. The fact that that prompt said that
is just because it knew you had

an app on your phone that was an EV app.

So like I don't know that that this is a
function of Siri being able

to look into those third party apps.

It obviously requires those third party
apps to decide that they want

you to do that. And this is the the only
reason I mentioned this is this

is the kind of story where

Someone came across the thing and then
drew some conclusions and then wrote a
story.

Yes. Yes.

But we actually don't actually we have no
idea what this means.

We don't we don't know whether third party
apps are are we're any closer.

We have no idea, and Apple has not said
anything.

And the reason I make mention this is you
could read the story and think,

this is cool. Apple is doing the proactive
thing of just using your phone for you,

essentially, looking into stuff.

I don't think that that's what that this
means.

It might.

I don't think we can draw that conclusion.

I think what this might mean is like at
some point,

if an app decides that it's going to do
this,

then Siri w will be able to do it the way
that it can with first party apps.

But there's a lot of steps that have to
happen there.

And I don't know that like Tesla so far
has shortcuts.

Yes, that's great. Will it also allow you
to just ask Cere,

what's my charge level app? I don't I
don't know.

I don't know.

Well

in in in the nine to five Max story that
I'll link below,

there's a tweet from Max Weinbach where he
got it to tell it

him the charge percentage. So he was able
to get Siri AI to show

a little circle with the car charge,

the percentage of the battery,

and how many miles are left on the range.

Now

But not with his Tesla app. It was with a
different third party app.

Yes. There's a separate app called Tessi
that it did work with.

Was it with a different third party app?

So

interesting.

Okay, yes, that is a wrinkle. That is a
wrinkle.

We'll have to see.

Now, someone also

said it was working with the Ford app.

Again, what I'm trying to say here is like
I don't think that Siri has taken

a leap forward where it is able to just go
into an app and do that unless those

developers have either said we're in.

And right even if they do, keep in mind,

Right.

they may not they're not using iOS twenty
seven frameworks

and APIs and whatever in their currently
publicly released versions.

Like you can't ship

Right.

a version of an app using this stuff yet.

Trust me, I've I've I haven't tried,

Right.

but like I very quickly came across like,

Ha ha.

shoot, I have to be careful about how I do
this 'cause if I'm using something that

requires twenty s anyway. So I don't know.

I think it's cool and I think it's
encouraging.

I just was like there's a conclusion drawn
from this that that you could make that

I don't think you should make.

That's all I'm trying to say.

Okay.

Well, we will ~ I'm cautiously optimistic,

but yes, we have to see. And I think come
once the iPhone is launched and

we get the iOS twenty seven release date,

that is when you hear from a lot of app
developers to be like,

hey, we'll be there on day one.

Because look at that. Look all right,

I'll be there on day one. You can use C to
do anything you want in my apps.

Yep.

well look at that. There you go.

And one I I need to get your professional
opinion on one other thing

in this beta three. Apple changed the
reminders icon to go from a solid circle

on the left of three little lines of the
old reminders icon to now three fruit
loops

on the new reminders icon. And that
listen,

this is tweet went out it got out there,

it broke containment. A lot of people had
thoughts on it.

A lot of people said they loved it.

I I need to know how you feel about this,

Jason.

I don't really know the last time I looked
at the reminders icon.

I never I never see it. I don't care.

Okay.

This is who cares? Like what's bad about
it?

No, no, no, but you got

I don't I don't know if it's bad it looks
a little cl they inverted it.

They just inverted it. Literally they took
the dark part

and made it the light part and they took
the light part and made it the dark part.

That's all they did.

I don't know if it looks a little like
clowny,

like clown s c I don't know.

Something about it.

In the sc in the in the thread that we're
looking at on our screen,

Yes. That's right. I will link it in the
show notes.

which is very small, there's a screenshot
of two icons that are very small,

Yes. Yes.

and yet they're still a thousand times
bigger than anyone will ever

see them on their device. Okay.

I know I know that. No,

I know I'm the grump. I I'm not being
cranky about it.

I'm just saying I don't know why I don't
know.

no, no, just curious.

Like do you look at the reminders icon
very often?

~ I do that's where I have my video
planning and personal tasks.

I know I I do actually have it on my home
screen,

so I do look at it a lot. Mm maybe it'll
look fine.

Okay. Okay.

Well I'm I'm I'm installing the beta right
now on my main iPhone,

so I'll let you know how it feels looking
at it every day.

How you feel it?

I think I just A interesting design
choice.

B interesting to change the icon design on
beta three and not beta one.

Because obviously there was a bunch of
design changes,

I was twenty seven with all the liquid
glass stuff.

You got the slider and corner radii on the
Mac,

like all these things, and then the
reminders icon just changes beta three.

Okay, well

that part doesn't surprise me at all
because the team that works in Reminders

is not the same team that's working on IOS
twenty seven.

So the the their d their deadline for
shipping is just release date,

Sure ~ sure.

right? So yeah.

Whenever. Yeah,

that's fair. Okay, that's fair.

All right, the last thing I want to say
about iOS twenty-seven,

this is kind of an unfortunate turn of
events.

The Apple home updates for Home Kit Secure
Video,

we've talked about it. I did a video on it
on my channel.

They're gonna be behind the two terabyte
iCloud Plus subscription paywall

or Apple One premiere bundle. Meaning
things like the the notifications that
will

be more streamlined so you don't get 1,000
notifications when people go

in and out of the door. The

Descriptions for video, natural language
descriptions,

that natural language searching of your
video recordings.

A lot of this is going to be behind that
higher tier iCloud account,

which I think is unfortunate. Now
previously,

just to use HomeKit Secure Video,

you needed to pay for iCloud Plus.

So this HomeKit Secure Video was never a
free,

quote unquote free feature, but you would
have it if you even if you were only

on the 200 gig iCloud storage plan.

But now for these other features,

you're gonna have to go to the higher
tiers for iCloud Plus storage.

I think that's just kinda it's kinda meh.

Like I wish it wasn't gated behind the
higher tiers.

That's all.

But there's

an actual cost with this though.

Is there?

Aren't they storing all of this secure vi
home kit secure video?

Well that's what I'm saying.

I'm not saying don't charge for the Home
Kit Secure video at all.

They already were. You already had to pay
for iCloud storage

for HomeKit Secure Video. But now if you
were only on the two hundred

gig iCloud storage plan, you don't get
these new features.

You won't get the Apple intelligence
summaries,

the natural language search, the better
notifications.

Now you have to upgrade even higher for
that.

Even though I you know, I don't know if
this is happening on device or in the
cloud.

I have a feeling the notifications stuff
is probably on device.

To streamline that stuff, but I don't
know.

It feels a little like, ~ I don't like
that.

~ and I mean, I guess it's seems weird
because iCloud plus

all of the other features are the same.

that true? Across

For the

yeah, you get like private relay,

hide my email. I think you get all of
that.

Family sharing, Apple invites,

Yeah.

~ so all of those are the same no matter
what.

So none of the other features have been
gated based on how much storage you're

paying for. So it does feel sort of weird
that now suddenly you have to be paying.

Whereas if it's like, well, if the ten
ninety or the nine ninety nine dollar

a month, nine ninety nine a month plan
included other features that were
distinct.

I mean it does actually now. It includes
unlimited cameras where

the other plans don't include unlimited
cameras.

So there already is a distinction there.

Correct.

So I don't know.

Yeah, I mean I don't use HomeKit secure
camera,

Yeah.

so it's it's hard to get worked up about.

But I do understand philosophically that
Apple has these

Mm.

two subscription bundle things.

Apple one and this iCloud Plus,

and it's like, well, we don't need a third
one.

So we just have to dump it into this and
some so it's just not gonna quite make

Yeah.

sense. I I agree. So but you're already
paying for two terabytes,

That is true. That is true.

right? I mean, you're at least paying for
two terabytes is what I'm saying,

Jason.

right?

~

at least, yes. Now wait a minute,

Right. So it's not a problem for you.

You got this.

let's I don't know if we've ever covered
this on the show.

I mean you you pay you pay for four
terabytes?

Four. I pay for four. I have

the two terabytes with the Apple One and
then I pay for two terabytes.

And you pay for the Apple One premiere for
your family?

Y sh I think so. I pay for the whatever
the one that includes yes,

all of it. It's like thirty seven dollars,

I don't wanna I don't wanna say it.

right? For the Apple One Premier Plus Max
Pro bundle.

Yes. Yes. It's it's

Apple One Premier is the thirty-eight
dollars a month.

And you you get all the things plus the
two terabytes of iCloud.

I think that's what I'm paying for.

This and I I'll just I'll just show this,

flash it on screen for a second.

That's my it's my iCloud storage right
there.

Why are you paying

for eight terabytes? That's insane.

Why is your iCloud library twelve
terabytes?

What does that say?

My iCloud photos is one point two
terabytes.

One point

two. I thought it said twelve.

I'm like, that math does not work.

No, no.

iCloud Photos, one point two terabytes.

iCloud Drive, five hundred gigs,

backups is about two hundred seventy gigs.

How much ~ storage does your messages take
up?

gosh, now I have to go back here to this.

I'm curious. Go check it out. Anyway I

I'm waiting for

my I my thing to update and

I pay for the eight terabytes because
there's five point one terabytes used
right

now total across my family.

Because you actually

use iCloud Drive instead of Dropbox.

'Cause I have eight terabytes of Dropbox
storage.

I do.

Sheesh. Okay, well then we're even we're
even there.

But what does it

No, actually

I have more because I have eight terabytes
of Dropbox and four terabytes of iCloud.

Well, listen, my

family barely uses any iCloud storage.

So it's basically all me. Like the family
usage to me.

I ~ yeah. Your messages,

Okay, so your question was

how much d storage in iCloud does your
messages take up?

It's not taking up very much space in my
phone,

which is nice.

My message is currently is one hundred and
forty gigabytes.

Mine's eighty gigabytes. And I understand
why you are this isn't okay,

So yeah.

Steven. This is a thing that's exactly the
same as what we were just talking about

with that restore button, where you don't
know what it means.

Okay.

Because if you tap on messages

Yes.

you could manage your storage and it'll
say you have I have eighty point

Mm-hmm.

one gigs of messages data securely stored
in iCloud and available

to all your devices. And I could delete
that and free up all that space.

Yes.

At what cost?

What I don't understand is if I delete,

because it's just all the attachments and
photos and videos,

right? Now, I don't think I want to do
that in iCloud.

Correct. Yeah.

I want them to all stay in iCloud.

What I don't want is I don't want them on
my device.

Yes. Correct.

Because guess what? If I tap on it,

it can just still download it.

But if you go to your your st the storage,

if you don't if I back out and I go to
general iPhone storage and I look down

There's no

and I see how much space my messages are
taking up.

And I'm like, ~ save up to, you know,

twenty one gigs in attachments taking up
storage and messages

and consider deleting them. What happens
if I do that,

Steven?

Well that's like the large attachments.

So you could say review large attachments
and then you can delete one

by one or select multiple. Yeah.

But what what what is happening?

W are they staying in iCloud? That's what
I don't

That's a good question. I don't know.

know is if I delete it, is it syncing that
I've deleted it so now it's gone?

Because I would I would delete all of them
if they were still in iCloud and

I think it's gone.

That's the thing.

I knew I could pull them back down anytime
I want.

It's kind of like in Dropbox or in iCloud
where you can be like,

Black box.

I don't need a local version of this,

just only have it in the cloud.

Right, just keep it in the cloud,

yeah.

Listen, no one can know. No one not even
anyone at Apple knows.

But we should know. All

They don't no one knows what happens.

right, sorry. This was not a we're we're
way off track.

I apologize. It's completely my fault.

No, the storage I know.

I've been traveling for a week.

I've I'm just very discombobied.

Storage is a everybody's gotta deal with
storage.

You know what I mean? It just it happens.

All right, I wanted to cover the the
Microsoft Xbox layoffs.

And it's Microsoft layoffs in total,

but just a vast majority of them are Xbox.

I'll put the TechCrunch article in here.

They're laying off forty eight hundred
people,

two point one percent of its global
workforce.

So that is unfortunate. The statement,

the EVP and Chief People Officer,

Amy Coleman.

Had a statement and they wanted to stress,

quote, these roles are not being replaced
by AI.

Okay, but noted, what is true is that AI
is changing how work gets done.

Which seems like it's not AI,

but also could be AI. That's why we're
laying.

Well, what they're really saying is we're
not replacing these roles with robots.

What we're going to do is pay two hundred
dollars a month for Claude

Max and make the existing employees do
twice as much work.

The yeah, that. That. Yes. And she goes on
to say,

That's what they're saying.

some of the tasks we do every day can now
be automated.

And that means we all need to keep
learning,

keep building new skills, and keep
adapting.

I'm not gonna say that sounds like a
threat,

but it kind of sounds like a threat to
everyone who's still at Microsoft.

It's like listen, the task you do right
now,

it could be automated, so maybe develop
some new skills.

That's what it sounds like.

Okay. I mean

so when I was in England, I was I think
that's what I'm supposed to say,

'cause I was in the country of England,

which is part of the United Kingdom.

Yeah, you were in England. Yeah.

You were in Great Britain, United Kingdom.

Anyway, I was I was in Oxford is where I
was.

Yes. Did you visit the Eagle and Child,

I went to Oxford for a meeting.

I wanted to, but I literally the company I
went for a meeting and they paid they

by the way? Just

sent a car to pick me up from Milton
Keynes 'cause it's an hour to Oxford.

I had the meeting and then the car took me
back.

So it was very but anyway, in the
conversation I was having,

that's

they were telling me about one of the F
one teams where they had a guy used

to have to write report every day.

They've sent back to the factory.

This is what we need to do. Now,

this person has an AI agent that just does
that for him every single day.

Mm.

And it has saved him like three hours a
day.

Now, that doesn't mean they pay the guy
for three hours less.

It just means he can do something
different for three hours.

Something different. Sure. Sure.

So there's like a net positive.

That's a good use of AI. But having the
robot just do all that person's work feels

Yeah.

like a really bad use of AI. And I feel
like we the companies that

now Microsoft's a little different because

If these people were writing code,

it turns out that the AI agents are pretty
good at that.

And one human can probably handle re I'm
saying things I don't really know because

I haven't actually written a lot of code,

even though I have an app in the app
store.

Sure, sure.

But it feels like you really good top
level engineers,

software engineers are able to supervise a
bunch of AI agents that they

pay a lot less money for than the $380,000
salary they were paying

the programmer or whatever it was.

And so

Right.

I feel

like it's it is a little disingenuous to
say we're not replacing these jobs with
AI.

What does that actually mean? Like,

right, you're not hiring robots powered by
AI,

Right.

but what is true is that AI is changing
how works get done.

What okay, yeah, you're gonna just use the
AI to do the work.

It's the same thing, right?

It sounds like that. And and this is one
of the things I I was just I

was curious if I could find information
quickly about the amount

of video game companies, not just
Microsoft in general,

who have had massive layoffs, which I'm
pretty sure Epic Games had

a bunch of layoffs. A bunch of like video
game developer ~ studios have

had massive layoffs. And they all say it's
not because of AI,

but it's also like a lot of the
development work at that is happening

at these companies seems to have been like
that's who's getting fired.

And so all that's say for Xbox and
Microsoft,

sixteen hundred of the forty eight hundred
are in the Xbox division for Microsoft.

And Microsoft is also transitioning four
of its gaming studios under new
management.

And Asha Sharma, the head of Xbox,

basically said like their profitability is
not like they're not doing well.

They're not doing well as a company.

There are things like Game Pass and other
initiatives that they thought would

perform well has not been performing well.

And I hear, you know, Nei on the verge,

and he's saying, like, Xbox might just get
spun off.

Like Microsoft might be done with it
pretty soon.

But you also look at the hardware of video
game industry as a whole.

The Steam Machine is out there that's
really expensive,

even though they're selling it at cost.

PlayStation Pro got more expensive.

Xbox got more expensive, even though these
game systems have been out for years,

all because of it. And

Also, PlayStation announced that they were
gonna be done with physical discs

by I think twenty twenty eight,

and there was a huge backlash on that.

Just video game industry as a whole seems
like not in a good place.

Not in a good place.

Yeah, and

and in addition well, I don't I guess I
don't know enough about

the video game industry to know whether
that's true or not,

because people do like entertainment,

right? Maybe as businesses they have
creeped their way into unprofitable areas
that

has have caused some problems.

But I think the bigger problem that
Microsoft has had is a problem that other

companies like Meta has had. ~ Meta,

for example, is an advertising company.

But guess what? Selling ads is just not
cool.

So Mark Zuckerberg does not care about it
at all.

That's why you're wearing glasses right
now.

Right? That's why they made they bought a
headset company.

Exactly.

That's why they thought the metaverse
should be a thing that no

one else thought should be a thing.

It's because selling ads is not cool.

Selling Excel is not cool. It's just not
cool.

You know what's cool? Video games are
cool.

So what if we had a video game company and
we made a console and we made like

That was the problem, but it's like
Microsoft was it's just never gonna

win that game. PlayStation one,

right? ~ Swit the Nintendo Switch won the
other market of it.

Zero switch. Right.

And then you have all these other things.

But for a company like if if Xbox was on
its own,

I think that it would be a very,

very different story for it because the
incentives would be different.

The incentives would be like how does this
become a good business without worrying

That is true.

about how it competes with the other
businesses?

And you talked about like what Ne Lai
says.

Like Microsoft's whole Xbox philosophy was
what if we could put some

you know, windows in your living room.

What if we c what if instead you had a
computer,

Right.

you had a phone and then your T V also ran
some version of Windows and

it turned out that that was Xbox?

Right. Right.

Just it's just nobody c that's just not
what people how people how it shuck

Yeah.

I'm curious. So I'll put a polygon article
in here because after PlayStation

announced January twenty twenty eight
would be the cutoff date,

they won't make physical games anymore,

physical game discs. There was a huge
backlash against it.

PlayStation didn't address it,

and then they posted something about their
Flex Strike wireless fight stick.

That was their next post after announcing
about no physical games.

And of course the reaction to that is
still people are very mad.

People are very mad. And I've been

I follow a few gamers on Instagram,

game streamers, obviously with my kids who
are into games,

like I know of game streamers because of
them.

And like the reaction is universally
negative,

with some people being like, listen,

we don't buy no one cares about physical
media anymore.

I'm curious your your thought,

because I did this whole video on the
Kaleidoscape movie streamer,

which is like quote unquote the answer to
high quality movies that aren't Blu-rays.

So still in the digital world,

but you don't need physical disc.

And physical media has been going away for
a long time.

Best Buy doesn't even sell physical media
in the stores anymore.

You have to either get it on Amazon or
some random store,

you know, a local video shop or whatever.

Do you have any nostalgia or feelings for
physical media?

Like I was I was tempted to buy
Interstellar on a 4K Blu-ray disc after

all of this because I was like,

do I want maybe I want some of my favorite
movies on a physical disc.

But even though I'll never play it.

I don't know. What do you think?

How do you feel?

~ so I think there's a couple of different
things.

I do think you can still buy f game media
at Best Buy.

They don't sell movies on okay on on Blue.

Correct. They don't sell movies on
Blu-ray.

Okay. Just to be clear. I and I I
understand why.

The reason is because people weren't
buying them.

And it is you cannot build a profitable
build profitable business at

the kind of scale that a company like
Microsoft or Best Buy or whoever needs on

people who are nostalgic for the days of
physical media,

right? Like that's not a very profitable
business.

And there's GameStop for that,

I guess. Like that's the that's where that
business is.

I like the c the collidescape.

I don't understand how that can possibly
be a profitable business.

And then you think, it's a very,

very, very, very, very, very small niche
business.

And it only it's only for people who care
deeply about this.

And I don't think the people who care
deeply about physical media care about
things

like

Maybe some of them do, so don't send me
nasty emails.

But like the the argument for physical
media is not as much anymore that

I have a copy of it on my shelf.

However, I do have like all all seven
seasons of the West Wing on D V D.

I think I think it's ownership.

I think it's the question of ownership
because and I'll share this article

in the show notes too. There have been
cases where even when people have
purchased

the digital copy of a movie, it's been
removed from whatever service they
purchased

it from. PlayStation in particular,

there was a movie like Terminator Two.

Even if you had purchased it through like
PlayStation's movie service,

it got removed because of a change in
licensing deal.

And people who have bought that movie

For the full price, no longer had access
to it.

And so there is this feeling, and I do
wonder if it's also connected to

the whole AI and the negative cultural
feelings about that.

Like maybe it's all tied together where
it's like I'm renting everything.

Like anytime I buy something, it's a
subscription.

Or even when I think it's a full-on
purchase,

it feels like a rental because it could be
taken from me at any point.

And

I I get that feeling. I typically if I
ever purchase a movie,

it's either on the dumb Kaleidoscape
because it's the only way to watch it,

or I purchase it from Apple because I feel
somewhat confident that movies that

are on Apple that I buy from Apple won't
go away.

But it also does feel like, do I truly own
that thing?

Because I think even a like years ago,

I don't think it's been recent,

but I think even Apple's library has lost
some titles for it.

And so I think people just feel like I'm
paying for Netflix,

I'm paying for HBO, I'm paying for Hulu
and Disney Plus.

I don't own any of this. Everything is a
rental.

And even when I want to own something,

there's a chance that it could be removed
if it's digital and so I want

the physical thing. And now the companies
are saying actually we're

not even gonna do the physical things
anymore either.

Yeah.

That's fair. I mean theoretic I mean not
theoretically.

Technically speaking, even if you buy it
on a disc or actually just buying

a license to something, right?

They can't come and take it because it's
called breaking and entering.

They can't come and get the disc from you.

Right. Right.

But you can you're very limited in what
you're allowed to do with

it because they want desperately to
control how their work is presented.

I think, you know, Apple's I guess the the
advantage Apple had for a long time

was you could literally download the like
you buy a movie,

you download it

In the worst case scenario of all these
movies starts,

you just disconnect that device from the
internet.

And it's like I at least have the bits,

right? Because I have a lot of songs that
I've downloaded.

Yeah.

A lot of songs. And I don't think Apple is
going to take any of them away.

I paid 99 cents and then later,

was it like a dollar twenty nine for the
DRM free?

Dollar Yeah, if you have iTunes plus
tracks,

I yeah,

they're D R free and you own them,

the file.

yeah, I can do what I want with them.

I can put them on a hard drive over here,

and guess what? They'll just work some
other time.

The downside to

movies is there's just much larger files.

So it's a little harder to do that.

But I g I get what you're saying.

Do you th I was though I was I think there
are some people for whom that maybe this

is the problem. That for some people
that's the incentive.

I want to have the physical thing because
then you cannot take it away from me.

That's one set of arguments. The other set
of arguments I hear is

I want the physical thing because it's
higher quality and I care about,

you know, Netflix doesn't stream it I mean
Netflix is streaming at like whatever

the standard is what ten eighty

like 1920 by 1080 or whatever like that,

it's not very high quality. You can get
the 4K,

Right.

but it's compressed to heck because like
otherwise it's like 70 gig files that

it have to send you. So yeah. So like if
you want to have the the high quality,

Hence the kaleidoscape.

then the physical media or something like
Collide Escape is what you need.

But I but the the problem is those two
those two values are distinct enough that

there's not enough buying power to say,

no, this is a thing because most people
are like,

you know what, I'd rather just give you 25
bucks a month and put them

all on Netflix. And the people who

Right.

pay the twenty five dollars a month for
Netflix are not buying Netflix because

it has a thing they really, really I used
to pay for Netflix because they

had friends, the office and the West Wing.

And they don't have, I don't think,

any of those things now. I don't know.

Right. They still have the West Wing,

So I think it finally went back because it
was not there for a long time.

I think. That's where I saw it.

Yeah, it finally went back. Right.

But the point is like you're not paying
for a specific piece of content.

What you're paying for is the ability to
turn it on and just

be entertained by something.

Right.

Right. Yeah. And I th I think people
understand like Netflix,

like you don't own anything. HBO Mac,

you don't own anything. Like you just
don't own it.

And I think that's why the video game it I
think it's felt more by video game

~ people in that world, because if it's a
digital only video game,

which PlayStation is saying everything
will be digital by twenty twenty eight,

it feels like it's more like I'm renting
this thing than I'm than I'm buying it.

And I'll also put this article in the show
notes because

There was this case back in twenty
eighteen where someone claimed that movies

disappeared from their Apple library even
though they purchased it.

The facts of the matter is this person
changed their country or region.

I don't know if they moved or whatever.

And because certain movies are only
available in certain countries because

of licensing, that's why the movies
disappeared from their library.

So it wasn't that Apple lost the license
or removed it from their library.

It's that they changed region and not
everything you buy is available

in all regions. Which again also feels
like

If I buy the Interstellar Blu-ray,

I can travel anywhere in the world with my
Blu-ray player and and play that Blu-ray.

But if I buy it on some service,

if it's not licensed in another country,

then I don't own it in that country.

It feels weird. And I think I think all of
this stuff is just kind

Yeah.

of conglomerating into this negative
feeling of I don't own any of

the things I'm buying anymore and I don't
like it.

I think that's just the general feeling
that's going on with people.

And so anyway.

If they do put a Blu-ray player in the
Vision Pro,

I would wear it on an airplane.

Okay, I have an update for you.

No, you yeah.

First of all, 27.3, they have changed what
you see when you're indexing.

It does not say indexing anymore,

That's right. That's right.

it says optimizing because people were
freaking out because it took two weeks.

That's right.

And I'm kind of angry because I just now
realize I have to go through that whole

process again on this phone.

Y you do it indexes every device

individually. Your index doesn't sync.

That's right.

Which i I heard I think it was Jason and
Mike Curly talking about this on upgrade.

Like if you back up your phone,

if you get a new phone in September,

you're gonna have to go through this
process.

But if you restore that from a backup,

there's no reason that that index should
not be part of that backup of that device.

So if you f you're flashing the or if you
do a device to device transfer.

I guess if maybe that should be the
barrier.

I can understand why the index itself
doesn't sync to the cloud.

But I don't understand why if you do a
device to device transfer,

shouldn't it just write all the bits on
this one to the new one?

It should. Listen,

You would think, but it's not going to.

You you're gonna have to reindex it.

send another email to your friends at
Apple and tell them that that's

Sure. Sure.

the way it should work.

Okay, sure. did yours already update?

~ I'm I'm still I'm still updating over
here.

yeah, I'm I'm I'm in I'm in.

I still got preparing updates,

so anyway.

if only you had faster internet,

Steven.

That's it that's the problem. ~ can I last
thing before we take a quick break,

can I just say I had a guy come out to the
house yesterday and he's gonna quote

me on running some more Ethernet.

And this ~ in the house and maybe out of
the house.

In the house you're saying.

But

but you don't mean you're getting like a
second internet line because this eight

gig up and down you have isn't fast
enough.

No, I'm not getting second internet line.

But I might run Ethernet to my doorbell
camera so I can have

the best doorbell camera connection ever.

Steven's gonna run Ethernet to his mailbox
so that so that when the boat can

~ I sh I

should have asked him can I be honest?

Okay, last thing before we take a break.

We have a propane gas tank, okay?

And it run Well, hold on. We it runs our
like

You don't need to run either into the gas
tank,

Stephen. It's fine.

hot water heater thing and obviously like
the stove and the fireplaces.

The propane gas goes to all those places.

There's no automation to know like what
level the tank is at.

So I have to go out there like an animal.

And look at the physical meter to see how
much gas is left and do I need

to order a refill. And it's only once
every three-ish months,

but it's still like a thing I gotta check.

And if I forget to check it, we could be
up a creek.

And there's been like one time where I
forgot to check it long enough,

and it was like below 20%, and it was
like,

yeah, hopefully, because sometimes a
refill takes a couple weeks.

It's like, hopefully we'll be all right.

So, anyway, plus we get hurricanes,

it's nice to know that it's full if we
have to run a generator.

I have had the thought of.

Can I put a Home Kit secure video camera
inside the tank's cover so that

I can just open the camera and look at the
meter and maybe even with Apple

Intelligence or something set up an
automation to let me know when that needle
falls

below a certain amount, but I've not
figured that out yet.

And I didn't ask for a quote on Ethernet
to put a gas tank.

But I think that if you apple cache some
guy a bunch of money,

then he'll just stand there and he'll
watch it for you.

It's like Task Rabbit for just for like my
gas meter.

No, but wasn't that

what happened? Wasn't it a propane tank
thing where you apple cash somebody

a bunch of money? And it

yeah, I did. And he brought me a f

fifty five gallon drum so I could burn
boxes in it.

That's that's what I got.

I thought there was

a propane tank story that involved some
shady Facebook marketplace propane
tanking.

~

No, that was the fifty five gallon drum.

Was it okay. Okay.

That was fifty five gallon drum.

Yeah, Facebook

Marketplace like can I can I say I f I
found this Instagram account.

Found. The algorithm served to me,

Ha ha ha.

which maybe it's highly targeted to me.

Apparently there's a guy that buys food on
Facebook Marketplace and then reviews it.

A did not know that was a thing.

Buys food on Facebook Marketplace.

And so

here's how it goes. He pulls up to a shady
neighborhood,

and just a random individual walks out to
his car and hands him a bunch of bags.

And in the bags is food. And sometimes the
food looks amazing.

Like it one time the dude in sh

Like this is

like these are people who are like
homemade making tamales and churros or
okay,

Correct, correct. There was and there

okay, okay.

was one time there was just a dude with
sandals and jean shorts,

walked out and handed him a bunch of
barbecue that he just grilled off

of his grill and apparently it was
amazing.

And sometimes he gets food that I don't
know,

I don't know if I would eat it.

But he is reviewing face apparently you
can buy food on Facebook Marketplace.

But we are not recommending that you do
that.

We do not recommend it. We are not
recommending.

We're just stating the fact that it's a
thing that can be done.

It is the thing that can be done.

And I was shocked and appalled.

Now, I listen,

I'm a l I'm a little disturbed.

I'm I'm still recovering.

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right, let's do a mini-ish lightning round
because there's been

a bunch of announcements for events.

Samsung Unpacked is happening July 22nd.

We should see new Samsung Galaxy phones,

a new foldable, possibly a new foldable
style.

And so the rumors are that it will not
only fold like a book,

but this one might fold another way,

and it might be a larger type fold.

So

feel like you can only fold in two
directions and they've already done both
of them.

There's the flip and the fold.

I don't

Maybe it'll be what do you those like wish
tellers or whatever?

Like the ~ you know the oragom?

An origami thing where you yeah.

Yeah, you do the one, two, three,

What do they call those things?

four thing. now now I need to look it up.

I can't remember.

What do you let's see, all right,

Google. What do you no, you know what?

Hold on. I'm I'm uploading to Iowa's beta
seven.

Let me let me ask. Let's see if Siri AI
will know.

What do you call the origami folding type
thing where people either

use it to make decisions or make wishes?

No it's not. No it is not.

Yes it is.

The Orgamai folding toy used to make
decisions or tell fortunes

is most commonly called a paper fortune
teller or a cootie catcher.

It is also sometimes over.

The show's over. I've never heard that
term in my life.

I don't like it. I did.

Did you go to public school? 'Cause that's
what everyone called them.

I never heard that. in New York we did not
call them that.

I'm just listening

I've never been happier that Siri said the
words that I just whispered into

a microphone.

I cannot believe that

it said that. Okay. Well, sh I don't even
know how to record.

Anyway, Galaxy Unpacked, July twenty
second.

And then after that, Google announced
their Pixel eleven event

is happening August eight it's happening
in August.

What is it? August twelfth. So Pixel
eleven,

August twelfth. Last year was the weird
Jimmy Fallon event where he was like,

yeah.

you know what I mean? He like,

look at this phone, I could do all this
stuff.

But anyway, ~ not

Rumors for like big changes, smaller
bezels,

maybe a slightly better camera.

Not rumored to be big changes,

but new pixel phone. There you go.

Didn't you have a pixel fold fold?

Do you do you still have pixel fold?

I I've

had a Pixel Fold, I've had a Samsung fold.

I don't remember which one. It was like
three or four.

~ and then the Pixel Fold I had much more
recently than that.

Okay.

Yeah, that's what I

But I do send back my Android review
units.

I send them back.

Just not your Apple review units.

That pause there is a critical pause.

I send them back.

I do send things back. I just sometimes it
takes Yeah.

It's a each put a little upward inflection
on that back.

Sometimes it just takes longer than
others.

I send them back?

But I took the I I sent the iPhone
seventeen Pro Max back as soon as

I started using the seventeen pro because
it's like what am I gonna do with both

of these?

Exactly, exactly. ~ Netflix is gonna be
doing short form video.

If you go to the app, you might see them
now.

Netflix is trying all the things.

This is gonna be like s August third.

Netflix will be offering this content.

It'll be in the US, Canada, UK,

Ireland, Australia, New Zealand.

Things from like BuzzFeed and Vanity
Fair's lie detector test,

which I've probably seen a bunch of reels
and TikToks.

Of those clips, ~ you'll be able to see
that on your T V,

I guess. But they really want you to just
use the Netflix app on your phone.

So, you know, just put it right next to
Instagram and TikTok.

You just do I want to scroll vertical
videos?

Yeah. Netflix is the place I go for that.

I don't know. This is like a quibby
situation.

It's not a quibby situation. What it is is
a situation where Netflix

is seeing that the the key to creating
more engagement and getting people

to spend more time on, especially now that
they have ads.

The way you serve more ads is getting
people to spend more time with their
eyeballs

pointed at your app. And the way to do
that is to have more content.

And at some point you reach a thing where
like it's not productive

or cost effective for us to pay,

you know.

The people who make stranger things to
make other shows.

What if we just had BuzzFeed load its
money the load its stuff in?

Like you know what I mean? It's like it's
like I don't think that that's what people

Right.

expect from Netflix. And so I don't think
that this is a thing that's gonna last.

The most meta thing, not meta the company,

but just meta like the term, is if you're
scrolling the vertical videos

on the Netflix app while you're not
watching the Netflix content

in the background on your TV. That'll be
that'll

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And at that point you
might as well just open TikTok.

be re this That's the singularity right
there.

I don't know, I don't know what happens if
you do that.

Apple, they're gonna try and relieve some
of this chip business.

Well, the first one is not necessarily RAM
and storage,

but they're going to increase their
spending with Broadcom.

To produce more chips in the US.

And this will be like the cellular
connectivity or other wireless
connectivity,

like the C1X or the N1 chips. They're
gonna try and they want to make more chips

in the US, and they're investing in
Broadcom to do that.

And alongside that, they're also testing
DRAM chips from

a banned Chinese supplier, CXMT.

The Financial Times reported that Apple is
investigating using them for RAM,

but only for devices in China.

So this wouldn't be for iPhones in the US,

but I think because it is actually banned.

Side note, my software update is about to
install on my main iPhone.

I'm getting nervous now. so anyway,

the Apple's testing the DRAM for Chinese
devices from CXMT.

They're doing everything they can to save
money here.

That's the idea.

Yeah. I mean this we'll we'll see.

The the chip thing is interesting.

I do I found it really like this is one of
those re it like in the press release

it says we're going to spend thirty
billion dollars to make fifteen billion
chips.

I'm like, the chips two dollars apiece.

Okay. Like I don't feel like we typically
get component cost information from

That right. Right.

processes from Apple and it's gonna create
a bunch of American jobs.

~ you know, the I don't know what this is
replacing.

Like that's the piece of this I don't
fully understand.

~ they want to produce billions more US
chips,

but I think the implication from this when
people think of chips is like,

you're making the seven. No, that's that's
not what's happening here.

No. But I mean there's still out

They're not making that stuff.

there are still Apple devices that don't
use the C one X and N one chips,

I don't think. Ma hey, maybe this means
cellular MacBooks.

That would be nice. Probably not,

but it would be nice.

Do you think we're gonna

ever get them?

On an infinite time scale.

Okay. In the next five

years. I guess I realize I should put a
little bit of a time.

You know what I'm gonna say yes.

I think within the next five years we'll
finally get a C one X cellular chip

in a MacBook Air. I think we'll do it.

And do you think the reason we don't have
one now is because

Tim Cook likes tethering and John Turnus
is like this is dumb,

let's just put the chip in there?

Or that there's some other reason for it.

Mm.

Because hear me out. Based on this
release,

Mm.

feels like these chips are not very
expensive.

Like it doesn't seem like the reason we
don't have them in max is because

Sure.

it would not be cost effective to put them
in max.

Also

Well here's

here's my question. Does the iPhone
seventeen

Pro Series use Apple's C one X chip?

Because I thought they were like slowly

I think the air

in the seventeen E, maybe, is that right?

Right. Like that's why that's what I'm
like.

I think the let's make sure our own
cellular connectivity chip is good.

I think that's why and also MM Wave,

for whatever reason, that was not in the C
one X chip and so they might

be waiting till they can, you know,

support all of that. And so I think it's
just the early days.

I think as it rolls out to all the
devices,

like I imagine the iPhone eighteen and
eighteen pro this fall.

We'll get whatever the latest Apple's
cellular chip is.

Maybe it'll be like the C two X or
something.

And then I could see like, all right,

once this is in all of our current
cellular devices,

iPhones, iPads, which the iPad has the C
one X chip,

then if you have a cellular version,

then I th I think they would they would
move it to the MacBooks.

I think I think they'll do it within five
years.

We'll see who's right.

So you think

that they just didn't w that is another
argument because like

the patent whatever with Qualcomm you had
to pay a percentage of the device cost

in a map did you see the current prices of
MacBook Pros right now?

That is true. That is true. So I think
yeah.

Like they just went up by a lot.

So that that is understandable.

I've come together.

The the Pro Series does have the N1
wireless networking chips,

they just don't have the cellular.

Right, exactly, exactly. So I think that's
that's the thing.

Once it rolls out to the whole iPhone
lineup,

then maybe I think within five years we
might see it in the MacBook.

I th I could see that. All right.

We'll see. If we're we'll still be doing
this podcast in five years.

I think the Neo already

We'll come back.

has a has an iPhone chip in it,

so maybe they could just make that one
have

That is it literally does. Not this is the
wireless chip,

but yeah, it does. Well it does never
mind.

I don't know if the Neo has the N1 chip,

but it has the A19.

I don't know either, but it does
definitely have an iPhone processor in it.

Yeah. this was fun. Pocketcast is
constantly trying to woo me back because

now they've added first of all an entire
liquid No.

Wait, you're not using pocket casts?

No, I've been using the Apple Podcast app.

We don't have time to talk about this
today,

I've been using the Apple Podcast app.

but I did not know that.

One

It's because I mean Apple's been doing the
video stuff,

and so I need to be in the Apple Podcast
app a lot to like see all

the stuff is working. And the Apple
Podcast app's pretty good.

It has the transcripts, it has the
automated chapters for shows that

I would it's nice to have those chapters.

And the design of the Apple Podcast app is
still one of the best.

Their up next queue is with the worst of
all the apps,

and I've said that many times in many
videos.

Also there are a cross device sync of
where you're at and a podcast

is terrible compared to pocket c but it's
still terrible.

It's gotten better it's gotten better.

I don't know if it's terrible though.

It's like okay, it went from horrible to
bad to like

Like

It's it's that I'll agree to. It's mayor
right now.

It's mayor.

But

~

It is so solid, it's annoying because the
syncing playback and the up next

Yeah.

cue for PocketCast has always been like,

man, I really want to because I PocketCast
was my default for many years.

And once Apple Podcast started some of the
redesigns and such and the subscriptions,

like I moved back because I do have a
couple paid subscriptions in there,

but it's not listen, there's a lot of
things not great about it.

This is what I want. I want

What I want.

basically pocket casts, but I would
appreciate all the video features from
Maple

Podcasts. And then the single greatest
podcast feature that any

Yes.

app has ever introduced is what Marco
Arment did in Overcast,

where if you accidentally touch your
screen and you hit the slider and

it jumps to some really ridiculous but you
can go back.

Every podcast and listen,

You can go back. There's a go back.

it should be a law. Any podcast app that
has a live activity.

Ha ha.

Is that what we call those things on the
home screen?

A live activity? That has a should be
required to implement that feature.

Yes, live activity.

Because the number of times you pull your
phone out of your off

The put back feature.

the charging thing in your car,

you're holding it in your hand,

Yeah, it is.

you accidentally touch the screen,

and suddenly you went like 37 minutes into
the future on pocket,

Yes.

there's a zero percent chance you know
where you were.

You're never gonna get back to that spot.

It's true.

Jason is not typically for government
oversight,

but when it comes to this, this should be
this should be a lot.

This should be a law. At least Apple
should make a law

I agree. That five features amazing.

that if you use this feature, you also
have to include this.

Yeah.

Yes. So all that to say, Apple Podcasts up
next queue.

And I've told people at Apple directly,

like, hey, you're up next queue.

You need to just rip what Pocketcast does
because your Q is bad.

Like you can't move episodes from the
continue playing to the queue.

And the Q will let you add the same
episode eighteen times.

And then you might just hear the same
episode start after you just finish it.

Like it's it's bad.

But I still I stick with the guy like the
design,

I like the automated chapters,

but Pocket Cass now it has a complete
liquid glass redesign,

and they've now brought chapter artwork
everywhere.

There's chapter artwork on CarPlay,

chapter artwork will show in the control
center,

which I don't think even Apple Podcast
does that.

You have to go into the app to see the the
chapter artwork,

and so it's ~ it's gotten really good,

and now I'm like, maybe I need to.

Maybe. So anyway. Pocket cast.

It's a great app. And I might try it
again.

We'll see. We'll see. You you you use
Pocket Cast still?

I do and I only have one complaint,

which is that the widget, at least the
small widget,

sometimes you tap the play thing and it
changes to look like it's playing

and literally nothing happens.

And then you tap it again and it says
pause and then it starts playing,

but it says pa like there's some weird
disconnect there.

Well,

I could tell you Apple Podcast widget does
the exact same thing.

Okay. So it's a podcast widget problem.

'Cause I have the pockets widget.

I think it's a widget play button issue.

~ it's not not pocket cast. Yeah.

Okay. It's super weird. It's like you have
to like prime

it a little bit and you're like,

I'm about to play something, so I'm
pushing the button and then it's like,

You gotta warm it up. You gotta warm it
up.

okay, I'm ready. And then you push it
again,

it's like, I'm here, here we go.

But it flips the wrong switch and like the
eye the interface doesn't match what's

Yes.

actually happening. Yeah, it's like what
what's going on?

It's like the inside out emotions.

They're all pulling the levers like,

Wait, do we play it? Do we pause?

What does he want?

I don't know, just make some sound.

He'll play something. Just skip forward
thirty minutes.

He'll love that.

That actually

happens sometimes too, where I will go
into the pocket cast and I will

p tap a episode and it starts playing,

but the widget hasn't refreshed.

So then if I go and I'm like, I need to
pause it,

I don't realize the widget hasn't
refreshed.

So when I tap the the icon, it actually
starts playing whatever podcast

is still in the widget interface.

It's like, No, no, no, I didn't want
anything to be happening right now.

I wanted to stop and it's like you not
only did you not do that,

Right.

you switched to playing something else.

Yes.

Yeah, it it is it is weird. Fix the
widgets.

So widgets, fix the widgets, people.

~ Claude has now put cowork on mobile.

So you can now run Claude Cowork tasks
from your iPhone or Android device

and it's moving Claude cowork tasks to the
cloud,

which my other co-host, David Sparks,

has some questions about and some concerns
because he has a lot of cowork tasks

and he likes running them locally on his
Mac.

And now it seems like cowork tasks will
run in the cloud by default.

Which means your stuff is just going to
the cloud immediately.

I'm curious how that will work with tasks
that have to do with your local files,

obviously. Because the claw Claude is
saying you could start a cowork task,

close your laptop lid, and it will keep
going because it's in the cloud

and not your laptop. But if you ask Claude
Cowork to rename a thousand files

in a folder, I imagine it's gonna stop
when you close your laptop lid.

So it's uncle It better that's true.

It better stop when you close your laptop

It better stop. So unclear.

They also moved co work into the chat.

And I've been hearing John Gruber and Ben
Thompson complain about

the Claude app every day, every dithering
episode I seen it seems like

for the last three weeks. I'm not that mad
about the Mac Claude app.

I think it's fine. Do you are you mad at
the Claude app that it's like Electron

or whatever?

I'm not mad at it, except I'm super not I
don't appreciate that what

Sure.

you just described, that they moved cowork
to the chat interface.

I they should not have done that.

I know why they did that. They are trying
to get people who have no idea what

Yes.

the word cowork means to start using
co-work for whatever reason,

Yes.

but I think that it was it's a bad it's
bad because it's just bad because there

is three different things that you might
do with the Claude app.

They are distinct. Chat, cowork,

code.

I know.

Those three things should have remained
separate.

I don't like the fact that they h that
they moved it there.

In fact, the other day when the update
happened,

I'm like s I spent a significant amount of
time trying to figure out where

did why are my cowork things I have like
four of them that run on a regular basis.

Why are they suddenly in with my chats?

Yeah. Yes. If

What's going on here? Yeah.

you're not I'm gonna show it right here.

If you've not updated your Claude Mac app
yet,

now in the top left corner there's home
and code.

Those it used to be home or it used to be
chat,

You say chat. Yeah.

cowork, code. Now it's just the two tabs
there and it's in the chat window

on the right where it says you can switch
between chat and cowork.

I don't I don't care for that,

I don't think.

No, I don't at all. I don't like it.

I I I think it's yeah. So that is not a
function of why the their reason

for the app is like there's a couple
things.

It's an electron app, so really you're
just looking at the same thing

you could see in Chrome. Except for I
don't think on the online like if

you you open claude.ai in the br in
Chrome,

Browser. Cowork. Well,

you cannot use clo claud code,

right? Sure.

you can't use cowork, I don't think to
like rename your files either.

So, you know, all that.

Right. So there's that part of it.

There's definitely some benefits to it,

but it doesn't do a lot of the things that
you would expect a native Mac app to do.

It doesn't bother me a ton, but the one
thing I wish it was capable

of doing is the thing the Chad GPT app
does.

And they talked about this in the latest
episode of Dithering,

which is if I have Chad GPT open and I
switch over to a notes app,

to the notes app, for example,

Right.

which I don't use because I use context.

But if you switch over to the notes app
and then you switch back to chat GPT,

it'll say, Do you want me to connect to
Apple Notes?

It looks like you're doing something over
there.

And if you do that, you can have a chat
that uses that content.

You can have it if if you update that
note,

it stays connected. And you cannot do that
with CloudApp.

No, but I also didn't use that with Chat
GPT either,

so no. Okay.

really? I've done that a lot. Yeah,

I've done it a lot of times. 'Cause it's
it's it's

it's great. I mean, I wish that they would
incorporate that into the cloud app.

The problem is I don't think that they can
with an electron app.

And secondly, I don't think that they can
because they just moved all

the stuff it's doing to the cloud,

not local.

Right. We yeah. So I don't it I don't my
cowork tasks,

I don't think it'll affect me too much,

but I will have to follow up with David
because he was having

an existential crisis the other day.

here we go. My iPhone is now on iOS twenty
seven beta three,

my twenty seven my seventeen pro Max.

I'm gonna be honest, I'm a little nervous,

Jason. I may already regret doing this.

And I I don't know, we'll see.

Already?

We'll see how many devices say not
responding in the home app and then I'll
I'll

pass judgment.

All devices no devices are responding.

I did want to try Siri AI on the watch,

which is now there in the beta three.

So I will be I think I'm gonna update my
watch to beta three as well.

Are you gonna do that? Yeah,

Sure, want me to do it now? Hey Siri,

we'll do it right now. All right,

update to beta three.

last thing before I talk about the meta
glasses.

I'm not

sure what you're trying to edit.

That's what it just told me. Okay.

good.

Anyway.

Yeah. Well, it's on the watch.

It's not smart Siri yet. OpenAI also
released new voice models,

Not at all.

more nat like better natural
conversations.

It can listen and talk at the same time,

which that's kind of impressive.

It also feels like these AI companies
understand that Siri AI is coming

and they are trying to make their voice
products and assistance as good as
possible.

And yeah, so there's that. The the ad for
this was interesting.

It was like

These elderly ladies and it was like new
voice chat and all this kind of stuff.

I thought that was interesting.

But anyway, I've not listened to it,

so have you heard it? Like have you
listened to it?

No.

I'm not really using the ChatGPT app for a
lot anymore.

I mean, I'm mostly just using the Claude
app.

really?

Four former sponsor, they didn't pay me to
say that.

I pay for Claude Max, like all that stuff.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I'm just that's just mostly what I'm
using.

There are a couple things that I do open
the Chat GPT app for,

and it's basically b if I want to do
something that is an extension

of a previous conversation I've already
had in

Chat GPT, I know you could there are ways
you can get all that information

Right.

and put it into Cloud, that's fine,

but you know what's easier? Just asking
the Chat GPT app a question.

Sure,

sure. Okay, well now my my iPhone
seventeen Pro Max is optimizing.

Search and see it is indexing all the
things.

Yeah.

My iPhone is gonna be one thousand degrees
for the next

Mine is pretty

warm right now. I'm gonna set it on my
desk and I put my cup of coffee on

top of it so it'll reheat the coffee.

I was gonna say to cool down the iPhone.

~ reheat the coffee. All right.

No, to reheat the coffee.

I want to talk about meta glasses.

~ these are the meta fury glasses.

My the social media reactions are very
polarized.

People have strong feelings.

Do you think that's why they named it
Fury?

That'd be good. That'd be good.

People a someone asked on Mastodon,

rightfully so, they were like,

You guys on the podcast talk so much about
how Meta is a bad company,

and then you went and bought their
glasses.

Now, I understand that might be seemingly
contradictory,

but we talked a lot of crap about humane.

And I still bought that stupid pin because
new technology,

I c I think it is my job or part of my
job,

to like test these things and understand
how they work.

And can this even be useful?

And when it comes to smart glasses,

I had not personally tried them.

I don't consider the Vision Pro in the
smart glasses category.

I got to try multiple smart glasses at
CES,

Even Realities, the MIMO from ~ Zo Jimmy.

I tried their smart glasses. And these,

I feel like meta of any smart glasses that
you can buy today are the farthest along.

And if you believe all the rumors,

it seems like Apple is investigating and
likely getting into this.

category sometime soon in the near future.

And so I wanted to know are these actually
useful?

Do anybody care? And what would it be like
if Apple were to make glasses like these?

And so that was my purpose for getting
these and wanting to try them and see
like,

is this is this a thing? ~ do you have any
any commentary

on like that contradiction?

What I want to say though is to clarify,

and I'm not throwing Steven under the bus
here.

Just I wanna clarify that before I clarify
it.

Okay.

The I'm just sort of extrapolating on the
comment you referred to.

I don't know the person. I didn't read the
comment.

I have no idea, but just based on what you
said,

we ragged on humane because the thing they
made was stupid and didn't

do the thing they said that it would do.

Okay. And you bought it.

But it's so you could talk about how dumb
it was and didn't do the thing that

it promised to do. That is different than
when we talk about meta.

We don't think of meta's products as being
dumb,

we think of them as being malicious.

And so there is a different distinction
there.

It's like, well then why would you give
them money for a product?

I think I agree with everything you said
about it.

I just I don't know that it's

that wasn't necessarily the right
comparison to make because like saying,

Okay, sure.

Okay, well, I bought humane's AI pen,

even though we make fun of that.

Yeah, we make fun of that because it just
didn't do what they promised.

And the people talking about it sounded
like they'd invented Jesus.

And really what they gave you is like a
paperweight.

Like to stop working. So there's that.

Sure. Yeah, that's fair. That is fair.

I wanted to say that now, I also think
that it is possible to hold

two contradictory ideas in your head at
the same time.

No human beings have this capability.

Well, they're suppos they they're supposed
to have that capability.

Ideally.

The internet

makes people lose that capability
entirely.

I learned this experience talking to
people in Europe about the

US men's national team t because of the
whole thing that happened ~ last week.

Yes.

But ~ so I and when I say militia,

when I say meta is malicious, that's
probably not entirely fair.

I don't think that they intend to be that.

I just think they are laser focused on the
thing that they they want,

which is like engagement be because again,

they're an advertising business,

right?

And so it is hard to square that with,

Well then why would you wear around
glasses that have cameras that

are pointed at people with meta?

And when I do my video this weekend,

this is kind of like my warm up,

because I I've filmed a bunch of stuff.

I've been using them for the last couple
weeks.

I'm gonna make a YouTube video about it,

but I kind of wanted this conversation to
help me solidify my thoughts

and also hear like your questions because
are you yeah have you used like

I know you use the ~ Google device red.

I used the Google Pro the Gemini ones,

XR glasses,

last year at IO.

And these are different because there's no
screen in these glasses.

These are not the meta displays.

So this is just speakers, microphone,

built-in AI, and the cameras. And a
distinction from like Mimo

and the Even Realities glasses,

a lot of those quote unquote AR glasses
don't have cameras.

And they advertise themselves as like
that's the selling feature.

Like we don't have cameras in our glasses.

That's why you should use us. But what I
have discovered.

In the last couple of weeks, having a
camera and being able to ask

an AI chatbot about what in front of you
without ever hold like having

to think about pointing a camera or
getting at your phone,

there are moments where it is really cool
and useful.

And it is the hardest double-edged sword
because it also means you have

a camera on your face all the time.

And that is weird and awkward.

And I'll

Describe a couple scenarios where it
really comes into play.

But the first outing I did with them was
July 4th.

we went to Lakeland. They have a great
fireworks show,

and I was wearing the glasses,

and I took a bunch of pictures.

And, you know, one, pictures and video on
the meta glasses are vertical

by default and you can change it,

which kind of sucks because I was really
hoping to use these as like

B roll for videos when I review devices,

like maybe for the iPhone 18 video.

I can record with these and like get first
person perspectives really easily without

having to set up a camera in a weird
angle.

I don't think that's gonna be possible
because I would have to zoom,

I would have to crop it really bad.

Like everything's vertical, you can't
change it.

But for the vertical videos, like they
actually look pretty good.

And when the fireworks began, now we could
talk about should

you even record fireworks? Because who
watches fireworks videos back later?

Sure. But

Except that if you hadn't been recording
then we wouldn't have the video from

Exactly.

was it Memphis where all of or San Diego
or wherever it was where they

all went off at the exact same time?

That

right, exactly. So I,

you know, I'm always tempted to take video
and photos of the fireworks.

I don't know why. Sometimes we do look
back just to see kind of like

us at the fireworks, you know what I mean?

It's like, this was anyway. It was kind of
nice to be able to record

the entire fireworks show and not think
about it.

I was able to look at it with my eyeballs,

not think about where I was pointing my
camera,

and just capture the fireworks show.

From the glasses. That was kinda cool.

And whether we ever watch this video again
or not,

I'm showing it now, so maybe it was
useful.

Like the idea of capturing a moment,

but also being present in the moment,

because you're not watching it through
your iPhone screen,

is kind of nice. And so there are several
situations where it's like,

okay, I get that appeal. And that's part
of the double-edged sword.

Other side note, five minute maximum,

and then it stops recording video.

So there is like

weird limits to it and transferring stuff
to the glasses is a pain

in the butt because you have to go to the
meta AI app.

You have to connect to the glasses Wi-Fi
network and then it will slowly transfer

your photos and videos to your phone.

All of that stinks. Like it's not a fun
process.

Keep that in mind. Second outing I went to
a grocery store and I wanted

to just see like what is it like,

you know, talking to it, asking it and you
can ask meta AI questions like what's

the weather?

Is it gonna rain? And it does pretty well
at answering all that general knowledge

stuff. But then there was a moment where I
immediately regretted having wearing

them, which was I had to use the restroom.

And I didn't think about it at first.

I just walked into the restroom,

and then I immediately realized I have a
camera on my face,

and I just walked into the restroom.

And I have vision,

it's not so bad that.

Like I could take I can take the glasses
off and still see the world around like

I can function. I'd still use the
bathroom.

And still use the bathroom is what you're
saying.

My wife's vision is such that she could
not.

If she takes her glasses off, she cannot
function.

Like she cannot see what's around her
unless she's very,

very close. And so I immediately realized,

like, I don't like this. I don't like this
feeling.

And no one was in the bathroom at the
time.

And as I after I washed my hands and I was
leaving,

someone walked in.

But but I had the thought, like if someone
had walked into the bathroom,

like if this was a crowded restroom,

like a sporting event or a concert,

if someone knew the glasses I had on my
face and realized I was in the bathroom,

like that would feel really icky.

And I don't like that at all. And I don't
know how to square that circle.

Like, how could you make a privacy first
device that has a camera

on your face, but then also use it in
maybe sensitive situations where it's
really

awkward to have a camera on your face?

I don't know how to solve that problem.

I don't know if I you know, there's so
many rumors about AirPods with a camera,

which will get like I always thought that
rumor was silly,

and now I understand why. But I don't know
how you square that circle either.

If you wore AirPods with a camera and
people understood that those were

the models that have a camera in them,

that would feel really weird in a
bathroom.

I'm just throwing that out there.

So anyway, go ahead.

Sure. Also though,

AirPods are a little easier to take out of
your ears to go to the bathroom than

the glasses on your face.

Good point. Very true.

So then I took them yesterday to a couple
other places.

I went to Oxford Exchange in Tampa,

which is a great it has like a bookstore,

it has all this kind stuff. And I went to
Armature Works,

which is like a food hall. It's really
cool and fun to ask it to identify things

and just ask it questions about what I'm
looking at.

And the accessibility ramification or
implications are incredible.

If someone was visually impaired,

and obviously

Pointing a camera when you're visually
impaired at something to

ask what you're looking at could be
problematic.

Like you can assume, and I'm sure people
like will have an idea.

Like I'm pointing the camera this way,

it's fine. But when it's on your face,

you can know that like wherever you're
facing,

that's what the camera is seeing.

And so I stood in front of a cafe and I
asked it,

what's on the espresso menu? And the
glasses can just tell me.

It said you had there's a flat white,

there's a latte, and it tell the cost for
each.

I stood in front of a book display and I
said

What are some like recommend some books
from all of this display?

And it was able to point out, well,

here's this book if you're interested in
adventure.

Here's this book. It's a great nonfiction.

And it could just talk to me about what
I'm looking at.

And that felt like the future.

That felt like minority report style.

Like I can just ask it questions about
what I'm looking at.

So identifying things, the accessibility
ramifications,

like all of that is great.

And I understood why having a camera
pointed where your eyeballs point could

be really beneficial. A couple just
nitpicks.

The speakers on the glasses are good,

but not great. And so in noisy
environments like when I was in the food
hall,

it's hard to hear it. And as far as I can
tell,

you can't like pair Bluetooth headphones
with the glasses.

The glasses act as headphones to other
devices.

So I can listen to a podcast because I'm
my phone is connected

and it's playing audio through the
glasses,

and you can raise the volume all the way
up.

But it's hard to hear in very noisy
environments.

No option for like pairing headphones with
them.

So that was kind of ~ Funny side note,

I really want to know how much they paid
Judy Dench and Kristen Bell

to be voices for the meta AI glasses.

Because there is a menu where you can
choose for meta AI voice to be Judy Dench.

And if I I always change my voice
assistance to have a British accent,

so I feel like 007.

And you could not get any further down
that road than literally having

~ talking to you in your glasses.

I mean that's dame Judy Dench to you,

sir.

Sorry, Dame Judy, excuse me, Dame Judy
Dinch.

You can literally choose her as a voice
for the glasses.

I so want to know how much she had to get
paid for that.

Because she would have had to train her
voice on it,

because it has to say all kinds of things.

So anyway, there's that. And lastly,

I'll just say, after using these for a
while,

like one of the things I did was I held a
book up and I said,

Hey, tell me about this book. And it was
actually an Issi Miyake book.

It was the author. It was like a design
book.

And I said, Hey, can you find this book on
Amazon and add it as a reminder

to get later?

And was like, sure, I can do that.

Now in the meta AI app, there's a reminder
section and that's where it has to go.

So it's in my meta which

Yeah. That's a

th there's there's there's a problem that
you're like you're sort

of like getting around okay. Okay.

I'm gonna I'm getting there. I'm gonna get
there.

I'm gonna get I'm going there next.

Also, it said, yeah, I got it,

no problem. Added it to your reminders.

And the reminder is actually like
Isimiyake book on Amazon.

It didn't actually get the Amazon link and
put in the reminders.

It just told me to look it up on Amazon.

So all of those cool use cases aside,

it is obvious that something like this
will near not be anywhere near

as useful unless it's made by Apple first
or Google.

Or Google, but yes, yes.

Because

I want that reminder to go to my reminders
app.

And as I was driving away from my house
one day,

I was like, ~ I'll ask my glasses to close
my garage door.

No, it doesn't have access to your Apple
home.

It can't do that. Nor can I get my
messages.

I think you can get some message
notifications on the glasses,

but it's not like first party.

But all of the use cases, I realized,

okay, if these were Apple glasses and it
was integrated with my messages,

my notifications, I could control my smart
home.

I could ask Siri AI, all the amazing Siri
AI things that that can do.

These would be so cool. It would be
really,

really cool. I don't know how to solve the
you have a camera on your face problem,

but there's a lot of use cases where I see
the promise and I understand

why these have been the only like AI
glasses that have been anywhere near

as successful. And I will give Meta a
little bit of credit because there

was a news article that came out where

If you try to tamper with the light,

because whenever you take a picture,

a little LED light flashes, and as you're
recording video,

the light will pulse. And people were
doing nefarious things trying

to disable that light, trying to cover it
up.

And Meta is pushing a software update
where if you try to mess with that light,

the camera will get bricked. So if you try
to remove the light,

if you try to disable the light,

the camera's just going to be disabled
from the glasses entirely.

And so

Well all the thing all the negative things
we can say about Meta,

at least they are trying to do something
there.

We're disabling the light to record will
have ramifications and won't

let you use the camera. But all that to be
said,

you still have a camera on your face,

and I don't know how that can not be
awkward.

Well also s l the cynical take is Meta's
not doing that because they think it's

the right thing to do. They're doing that
because they don't want the stories

of the nefarious use cases that would
happen if they dis people are able

to disable the light. They that like
that's reputational protection.

It's not it's not like altruism.

But also like this is the thing that I've
always thought

Fair. That is totally fair.

I think meta has done the most

To sort of flesh out and prove the concept
that glasses could be a form factor that

have a use. But metas will just never be
that use for two reasons.

People don't trust meta. Everything you
just did involved meta AI,

not Siri, not ChatGPT, not Cloud,

not any of the places that you may have
already built up a library

of context that would be useful,

or your personal information.

And you're now sending all that
information to Meta.

It's like, remember that espresso shop
that you looked at?

Hey, you're on Instagram. Here's an ad.

Did you know they have delivery and
they'll just send you beans to your house?

yeah.

Like, this is that's what's gonna happen.

That's the only way this makes any sense
because and I'm not suggesting that

Yeah. Yeah.

I that's why I said Google. I don't think
Apple's the only company that can do this.

Google could do this. But Meta has no like
no one uses a calendar from Meta.

No one I mean, they do have WhatsApp.

Right.

They so they do have WhatsApp,

Sure.

they do have a messaging product,

but like any pair of Bluetooth earbuds
theoretically can read your messages to
you.

Right? Like that's so I'm saying that's
that's fine.

Yeah, and they do. They do.

That's like not significant. But what
Meta's AI cannot do is answer the
question,

what time did my mom say she was coming
over?

Right? Like it's not in meta AI unless
it's in WhatsApp.

So like I in a ma in the US at least,

I mean everywhere I travel overseas,

we only use Mot WhatsApp.

Yeah, what's happening?

But everywhere

in the US, like there are some people who
use WhatsApp,

but like if you're under the age of
twenty-seven,

you're using Snapchat. If you're over the
age of twenty-seven,

you're using something iMessage or
whatever.

Right.

So I don't know. I think I'm glad that
they are trying to flesh this

out and they are shipping products that
don't have that end use case because they

have to get them out there. Whereas Apple
can afford to be a little slower because

once they get it right.

yeah.

It will be like panacea, it'll just have
everything.

And that the thing, like if somehow Apple
could make glasses like this that have

the benefits of being able to see what you
see in some privacy and security.

I have no idea how it would be possible
because to see what you see,

there has to be a lens of a camera
somewhere on the device.

And it's going to see the world around
you.

I don't know how it's possible,

but man. And the AirPods with a camera,

like you were saying, that would be easier
to like put away.

And also, if you don't wear glasses
already,

someone might not be inclined to want to
wear glasses.

You know, I think AirPods, whether you
wear glasses,

hats, whatever it is, like everyone will
use AirPods because

the convenience factor and the benefits
are just so high.

Like, I'll put these things in my ear.

Glasses, it's a harder sell. Someone
doesn't wear glasses,

like people LASIK surgery, so they don't
to wear glasses.

Like to put it back on, you know,

it is a cost. And to your point about
meta,

like the nefarious side, this is the Verge
article.

Meta is also working on glasses that would
be recording all the time.

Calling super sensing. Always aware smart
glasses that's recording audio

and snapping photos every few seconds.

And this is like that's an end game of
like,

no, I would not wear those glasses.

I wouldn't even try them for a video.

I don't want something recording all the
time.

Because then it's like, what if I have to
use a bathroom in my own house

and I'm wearing the glasses? I don't want
that.

Right.

I don't want that being sent to Meta.

And as I've been wearing these the last
two weeks,

I just resolved to think I have no privacy
when I'm wearing these glasses.

Zero. Like

And neither does anyone around you,

which means that if Meta introduces
glasses that are recording all the time

and you put them on your face,

someone's gonna punch you.

Right. And in my experience at the grocery
store,

Fourth of July, going to the food hall and
a couple places,

not one person pointed them out.

Not one person said, Hey, are those the
metaglasses?

~ now there weren't like tons of people
around.

You know, if I was at a concert or a
sport,

maybe maybe someone would recognize them,

but not one person said anything.

I had a couple looks where it was like
maybe they did a double take

and they were kinda like, What what kind
of glasses are those?

But

But no one ever said anything or or
whatever.

But I don't I don't know.

This is always the question now when I get
to like the end of my review

and I make the video. Do I keep the thing?

Do I keep these for the future?

And I'm the I have until August 1st to
return them.

And I could get my four hundred dollars
back,

which is very tempting. But I'm also like,

you know, maybe there are some events
where I would love to just be able

to record a video and not hold a phone.

And just be there for the event.

And I already wear glasses. And my kids
thought they were the coolest thing
because

I have like photos of my travels.

And they will go up to the photo and be
where was this photo taken?

And the glasses would say, This was taken
in Amsterdam along this.

And this was the cathedral in the
background.

And like, that's kind of cool that it can
do that.

But I will also be very selective about
wearing,

like, I would not wear these all the time.

Hey, they're not as comfortable as my
Warby Parker's,

~ because they're heavier, they're big.

and they slide down more often.

So I would not wear them all the time for
comfort.

I also just don't want them on my face for
times when I might have to

use a public restroom. And so but for some
situations maybe I would.

Maybe like July 4th, like I go out and do
it for I don't know,

go someplace over the holidays and we see
Christmas lights and I don't have

to think about taking my phone out to
record.

I don't know. That's that's the internal
struggle I have now.

But they're they're very interesting
technology.

Very clear where a humane AI pin had
almost no value

as a product and no one should buy it or
use it.

These I understand what the value is.

And for accessibility especially,

totally get it. Like this could be game
changing for somebody.

Cause I even asked it like, what's on my
desk?

And it does a very good job of describing
everything on the desk.

And so just being able to do that quickly
and easily like and yes,

your iPhone does that. Apple had a whole
video about accessibility talking about

it in iOS 27. There's going to be even
more features.

Your iPhone can do all of this stuff,

but you have to get it. You have to unlock
it.

You have to be in the right mode if you're
not accustomed to using those kinds

of features. And just being able to be
like,

hey Meta, do this. And it's the device is
already on my face and on.

I could I see the value there.

There is some value.

I mean you also

have to be stricken with amnesia to look
at your desk and not know what

the stuff is.

No, but for accessibility, Jason,

if you you know, if someone is visually
impaired and they need to know like,

yes, obviously you've probably set up your
life in a way that is conducive

to to that.

I guess my point

was like that is a gimmick. It's a cool
party trick to be like,

I look, I can just look at all this stuff.

But but in a real world use case,

looking at your desk is not the thing,

obviously. And I you weren't specifically
only saying that,

No. Right.

but I'm just saying like they these are
products that are designed with finite

borders that the real use case is
somewhere beyond that,

and we don't know what that is yet.

Sure, but I also see like if I walk up to
a food truck and I'm visually impaired,

I want to say, Hey, what's on the menu?

That's useful. Like

Yeah, I'm trying to be really careful
because I think there's a point

at which being visually impaired with a
pair of glasses that would the again,

I'm not I ~ it's hard to define where that
edge case is because my initial thing

was like you again, I'm sort of ignorant
of this,

but like are is that a you isn't there how
is that problem being solved

now that this would solve better?

If I'm visually impaired and I walk up to
a food truck

You're right. How do you know where to
look to like?

How did I get there? And I did

not just like what I not just talk to like
I'm not saying that you're wrong.

I'm saying that sounds like a very
oversimplified,

like, this is really cool. And I'm
thinking,

like, how is that problem currently being
solved that this would do better?

And I'm not saying the answer's zero.

I just don't know exactly what that is
yet.

And that's and that's fair. ~ you know,

I th if you were handed a menu at a
restaurant,

you know, something like that.

Sure. Yeah, I did

And

that a lot. I for for a year I would look
at menus and every time I had

a menu I'd take a photograph of the menu
and I'd Chat DPT,

Right. For sure. And

what can I eat off of this?

and I did mention, you know, this also
does translation.

So if you were given a menu in another
language,

you could say, hey, translate this for me,

and it could do it. So all of that to say,

there I think there is more than zero
value here.

It is still a long way off. Like and the
privacy and security implication is,

I think, even the biggest challenge.

And I hope Apple figures it out.

Yeah, I just think that they will really
be a successful product when someone

who has all your data already and I don't
just mean your browsing history.

I mean like your calendar, your email,

your messages, like your photos.

That I mean you can't even take photos and
have them just show up

in your photo line.

yeah, and that that's the other huge
thing.

It's like if it was an Apple glasses,

I could just take a photo and it would
sync to my iPhone immediately.

Yes.

And so all of that, which is I now I like
this is why Zuckerberg hates Apple.

He's ticked because he can't do that.

And he doesn't have a device that does it
either.

So anyway, I want to make a video about
it.

If you have questions, hit me up on social
media,

you know, or just email me 'cause I can do
in the video.

I'm recording the video tomorrow,

as you listen to this. So if you listen to
it on the day it comes out.

But Jason, I need you to tell me about
something real quick for personal tick.

You were on a flight and you saw a
gentleman with three iPads.

How did what what how?

Yeah,

well, okay, so I was on a very long
flight.

Well, I mean it's not the longest flight,

but I was flying f back from Heathrow to
Detroit and I I was sitting

on the aisle of the center section and in
the aisle of the section against

the right side there was a gentleman and I
presume his wife and

the gentleman when we when we got on the
plane was just reading something

on an iPad mini.

Probably with lots of people do that on
planes.

Although I don't see as many iPad minis on
planes,

just to be fair. So he's reading an iPad
mini.

Yeah.

I was like, whatever. Okay, great,

cool. And then a little bit later in the
flight,

he pulls out an iPad Pro, an eleven inch
iPad Pro,

and starts watching a movie. I was like,

Bro is traveling with two iPads.

Okay. I was like, this that's impressive.

Double fisting iPads, that's yeah.

He's got two different iPads. And I mean
iPad mini doesn't have have a

Huge battery life, but you could easily
make it through an eight hour flight with

an iPad mini, especially if what you
started to do is read,

Yeah, probably.

and second thing you're gonna do is play
video that you've already downloaded

because like they're optimized for that.

Apple uses that as the measure of like our
battery life.

So like you could have got there's just no
question.

Right, exactly.

And then later on, after the meal,

I look over and he is finger pecking
typing on a 12,

or I mean on a 13, a 12.9 inch iPad Pro or

13, whatever it is. So, like the I the 11
inch iPad Pro was sitting

in a magic keyboard, and all he was doing
is watching a video.

And then he pulls out the 13 inch iPad and
he's literally doing this.

And I think he he was like doing work
because he also had some papers

Sure, sure.

out that looked like research.

I don't know. You know how you're on a
plane.

You want to know enough about what's
happening over there without actually
looking

Yeah, yeah.

Sure. Yeah, I get it.

like you're trying to figure out what's
happening over there.

So within four and a half hours,

he had pulled out three different iPads,

a mini.

Incredible.

And two different iPad pros. And so I
posted about it and a lot of people
thought

it was insanity. Which it is. And Samson
had actually responded and they're like,

I we need to understand why is this
happening.

I was like, I guess I should ask.

So I asked. And he said, I prefer the size
of the mini for reading,

which true. Like that's for sure the
truth.

Sure, sure.

And the screen is so nice on the eleven
inch.

So that's what I watch movies on.

But it's not big enough to do work.

Ha ha.

So I carry this quote, big one for doing
real work.

I'm like, but the eleven inches the one
that had the magic keyboard.

Amazing. Amazing.

I don't get it. And the and the the
thirteen inches had a had a smart folio.

Right. One if you have

Like just

When if you have the same year eleven and
thirteen inch pro,

it's the same display. That's what I'm
saying.

Right. Yeah, so you could just watch the
movies on the thirteen inch.

Like the big screens is great even better
for movies because it's bigger.

I didn't think about that question.

But also like there were years where the
eleven and thirteen inch

had different screens where only that's
what I'm saying.

Well, but the thirteen inch usually had a
better screen.

So he

would have had to have like several year
old thirteen inch iPad Pro.

I mean, maybe it was an A twelve Bionic or
something I in that thing.

True. That's true.

It's for the eleven inch to have had a
better screen.

That's a possibility that I did not
consider.

And if you did have that old of one,

you wouldn't have a magic keyboard either.

Fair. Well, magic keyboard's been around
for a while.

So yeah,

but I don't think the original well no,

you're right. The original one does have
the non series twelve point nine inch does

The twenty eighteen. Yeah.

have a magic keyboard you can get for it.

Yeah. Yeah. Mm.

I don't know.

That's amazing. Did you get his name?

His first name?

No,

but then he pulled on an Android phone and
I just about lost it.

No you did no he did not.

Yeah, I told you that, didn't I?

I'm pretty sure I texted you that that he
started finger pipe t finger typing,

yeah, you do you texted me that you texted
me that

one finger pecking on an Android device.

It looked like some kind of super large
mid-range one plus thing or something.

That

I don't know.

That is an incredible that is incredible.

I know. I I

He's my hero. He's my hero.

I think I told you I was like if the guy
pulls out a kindle kindle I'm gonna have

to buy him a drink.

that it that is amazing. Three iPads.

Listen, I was yeah, I mean, I understand a
two iPad lifestyle.

Like if you want like a thirteen inch and
a mini,

but to have all three sizes, that's
something.

I mean I

have an eleven inch and a mini in the but
I mean I don't take them both on a plane.

In fact the eleven inch basically sits in
my room and I just read

That's that's

on it occasionally.

If he would have pulled out a Vision Pro,

sh should have just jumped out of the
plane.

If the guy

had pulled out a Vision Pro, I would have
found an award for him.

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