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Now let's catch up to that truck.

Welcome to Primary Technology,

the show about the tech news that matters.

Lots of news this week.

Apple just raised a ton of prices across
their product line.

We're gonna get into that.

The slate truck and Eevee under 30 grand.

The pre-orders are out. Meta has made new
glasses.

And spoiler, I actually bought some.

The Steam console is out there,

it's pretty expensive. OpenAI made a chip.

New things coming out for iOS 27,

TVOS,

Instagram's trying to get on TVs,

and we're gonna do a little follow-up on
the UK social media band.

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I'm one of your host, Stephen Robles,

joined as always by my friend Jason Ayton.

How's it going, Jason? Not even cranky
yet,

I'm good. I'm not even cranky yet.

I'm I looked at the

Dean.

I looked at the rundown and it's pretty
sure that it will be at some point during

the show.

It's it's

it's coming. Do you know I try to do it in
a voice.

Do you know what movie I said?

Let's catch up to that truck. You know
what movie that's from?

Well, I think I would have gotten it
anyway.

I'm almost sure it's from the original Toy
Story.

Okay, okay, good.

And I was the fun fact, fun trivia,

That's exactly right. That's exactly
right.

Hmm?

there's only one human being that Steven
and I have both interviewed

but not together. And he was mo partially
responsible for making that movie.

That is true. That is true.

He didn't literally make that one,

but Ed Catmall, so.

No, no, no. But we

have both interviewed Ed Catmull,

co-founder of Pixar. Two wait,

Yep. Separately on partially defunct
podcasts.

Mine is coming back. I actually have a s I
have a series of interviews lined up.

is it the fuck I was gonna say?

Okay, good. Yeah, creative effort.

I'm just doing shorter seasons than we
originally talked about.

Okay, very good.

Well, I'm excited to see you come back.

I'm also excited because our medieval
knight,

riding the polar bear, has made it around
the world,

ladies and gentlemen. Now we don't have
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But we want to share all the exciting
places our medieval night has made it.

He's made it to Asia, South America,

Australia. Here's Daniel in Hong Kong.

Medieval Knight made it over there.

Also, we have our friend Aaron who makes
great apps like Home Pass and Home Paper.

Primary Tech made it to New Zealand.

Also a beautiful photo. I would love to go
to New Zealand one day.

See all the Lord of the Rings stuff.

Have you ever been? Have you ever been
there?

New

Zealand I have not. My parents have been
there,

Man, it's how this yeah.

but I have not. It would be fun.

I just wanna I fly in a helicopter over
the mountains where they film those
scenes,

like yeah.

Exactly.

That's what I'm saying. That. So anyway,

thank you for that. So we're in New
Zealand.

Also, carpic in India. Got the medieval
night there.

I think he got it on his fridge.

I don't know what kind of what magic he's
using over there to get the

pin so it's not stabbing the frig maybe he
just stabbed it right in the fridge.

I even know. But thank you for that.

Mm.

Yeah, it's over in India and we made it to
South America.

We have Emanuel from Buenos Aires,

Argentina said say hi to Jason.

So hey Jason.

From Emanuel. But he has pictures here,

which is wonderful. Medieval Knight near
the obelisk in Buenos Aires.

I'm not sure what that landmark is.

But it's a famous landmark. But here is he
has the pin right there.

I don't know.

Very fun. And yeah. No,

See, I saw that picture and I just assumed
it was Washington DC.

it no, it is not. It is Buenos Aires.

And then Andrew is in ~ Japan.

And so the medieval night, this is
Okinawa,

writing in Okinawa.

And then we also have right here riding
the train from Hiroshima to Kyoto.

Our medieval night with the polar bear is
there.

So around we're on all the continents now.

We're everywhere. Also, Ross from North
Carolina added us to his bag of pins.

I wonder if he's a Star Trek fan.

Spoiler, there's a lot of Star Trek pins.

Seems like it's possible.

I think so. Which is wonderful.

So we've now officially made it to every
continent except I know this

is a stretch goal, but Antarctica.

Listen, if your neighbor is going on a
cruise to Antarctica,

your relatives, your aunt and uncle,

your grandma, grandpa, let us know.

I'll send you a bunch of pins and they can
bring it down there.

We're on all the continents except there.

We'll get there. We'll get there.

Yeah, I mean, and if

you just happen across the YouTube video
of someone who's going,

let us know. Steven has connections.

What I'm saying? That's what I'm saying.

YouTube, they do like it's fine.

Cleo Abram, she was already

Yeah.

there, but if she goes again, I mean I'll
s I'll send her pins.

Maybe we could get Joanna Stern to take
robots there.

~ yeah. I also want to have her on the
show.

She said she would come on the show,

but I'm actually doing a book tour right
now.

She's kind of a big deal. I don't know if
know that.

This would be a good place for her to do a
book tour.

That's what I'm saying. I read her book
and she signed the book.

We'd let her talk about her book.

I brought it to WW She Yeah, she she
autographed the book,

I saw that.

which is super fun. I was kind of like a
crazy person.

I was looking for her everywhere and I
carried the book everywhere around WWDC.

And I was always like, where did she at?

Because it was like the media breakfast.

And I was like, maybe she'll come here.

She didn't come there. Spoiler.

And

I was like, I'm gonna miss her.

Cause I was like, if I don't see her on
keynote day,

I'm probably just gonna miss her entirely.

And the tech talk happened right after the
keynote.

And last year that's when I took my selfie
with her,

because after the keynote, people hang
around a little bit.

But because there was the tech talk
immediately after everyone dis dissipated,

I saw her at the tech talk in the back of
the room,

sitting next to Nei Patel, as you do.

And I'm like, Well, I can't get up during
the tech talk.

And when the tech talk ended, everybody
ran out of the room.

So I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna
see her.

And then I was outside the visitor center
at Apple Park.

And I was with Andrew Clare, YouTube
creator,

great friend. It was his first time.

And I had asked him earlier, I was like,

Listen, if you Joanna Stern, please let me
know.

Just I've trying to get her to sign my
book.

And we were just sitting there,

I was making videos, and he was like,

Hey, isn't that Joanna Stern? And she was
walking across the visitor center

and I ran like a crazy person.

If she had security, I would have been
tackled.

but she signed the book. She signed the
book,

so that was fun.

Alright, breaking news. This is actually
the first time we've ever done this.

Recorded a segment to insert because news
broke while we were recording

the full episode. But Apple just increased
a bunch of prices.

And later in the episode, we're gonna talk
about how Tim Cook said they were

raising. Well, now we're recording that
they actually have raised.

Everything's updated on their website.

I'll link this nine to five Mac article
with all the price increases.

Everything from the MacBook Neo,

which is $100 more expensive, MacBook Air
is $200 more expensive,

MacBook Pro's

$300 more expensive all the way up to the
Mac Studio,

which is $500 more expensive, or $1,300
more for the M3 Ultra.

It happened. Everything's iPads too.

A lot of the iPads are the Air is $150
more expensive.

The pros are $200 more expensive.

And one of the most egregious,

I think, the Apple TV 4K, which has not
been updated in forever,

is

$200 for the base model, no Ethernet,

and the Ethernet version is $250.

Same chips, same memory. What do they do?

there's more storage because there's more
storage.

Six there's $128 gigs instead of 64.

This is a lot of price increases,

Jason. Yeah.

Yeah, okay, a couple things. First,

I'm gonna just say this. If you're
listening to this,

you should stop and you should go to
Amazon.com if you need any

of these things because I just was
checking prices and like the MacBook

Air is still nine forty nine. The ~ there
was another one that the iPad mini

is still three ninety nine. You better buy
but you buy four of those,

Is it my goodness?

please. I'm just saying so second thing I
will say is I'm pretty sure that

you and I had this whole conversation
about well,

it's gonna be in the future.

Right.

But

we're recording this in the future,

so insert it into the past. And what we
said w you asked me,

do it, I think they would do it in
advance.

And I said, Yes. So I'm gonna take my
being right points now that

You were right in this episode You
predicted it right.

you won't hear about until later.

So you're gonna be like when you hear me
say that,

you're gonna think I obviously already
knew.

But we did not know at the time that this
is what was gonna happen.

We literally s push stop on the recording
and in Steven's like,

We did. I saw this happening.

What? And I had to go in and let someone
in the house and then use

the bathroom and come back and record
another segment.

now is the time yeah, if you need
something,

~ get it on Amazon. Run.

Literally run to Amazon because

I cannot I'm I mean the funny thing is
like I'm sure that they're gonna keep
these

prices for now because ~ they're like
prime sales and they already have these

things. Well although what was the price f
that you three ninety nine for the mini?

Right. ~ yeah.

'Cause right now it's four ninety nine.

Yeah.

On Amazon,

then that that went up 'cause it was three
ninety nine yesterday.

It's four ninety nine right now,

but it's gone up. That's because the list
price says five ninety nine,

which is so they've adjusted their sale
price.

~ my goodness.

So I imagine the MacBook Air,
unfortunately,

by the time you hear this may have already
changed as well.

So

wow, that is

So which of these do you

think is the biggest deal? Because no
offense,

like this Mac Studio doesn't matter.

I let's just be honest. It just doesn't
the sixteen inch MacBook

No, that doesn't matter. That doesn't
matter.

Pro also doesn't matter. I mean,

that's a lot of money. Five hundred
dollars is a huge increase for

the sixteen inch MacBook Pro, which is
actually kind of weird because does

the base MacBook Pro come with more of
anything than the base MacBook

or fourteen inch MacBook Pro?

I thought it all came with one terabyte
drives.

And ma there's there maybe the memory's
different.

the you why? 'Cause the fourteen inch
MacBook Pro comes with just the five.

~

The sixteen inch comes with the five Pro.

That's gotta be the reason why.

Yeah. yeah yeah yeah.

So my goodness. I feel like a sinking
feeling.

I don't know why. I don't need to buy
anything right now,

but so the

I'm really,

really, really glad we bought our daughter
a MacBook here already.

Yeah, and I bought my son the MacBook Pro.

Yeah.

So

if you're gonna get a 13-inch MacBook Air,

it is $200 more expensive on the base
model.

I don't know how the configurator works
out,

but if you wanted to get 24 gigs of memory
and a two-terabyte hard drive

in a MacBook Air, you're looking at
$2,300.

Yikes! So Amazon has a 24 gig of memory,

one terabyte, M5 13-inch MacBook Air.

For thirteen eighty seven. So you can get
it right now for four hundred dollars

less on Amazon right now. I'm thinking
about buying an M5 MacBook

Air just because I'm like, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know.

Well, yeah, I mean in the MacBook

Air is twelve ninety nine and at this
point you can buy a thirteen inch with

Starting.

sixteen gigs five hundred and twelve for
nine hundred and forty nine dollars.

So you should buy four of

Listen, if you needed Apple if you were
'cause also like college season,

man, they did this before everybody went
to college,

Jason. Which maybe they were hoping that
everybody did the but you know,

Yeah.

they run their back to school deals like
in August and they never have sales.

They just give away gift cards when you
buy a education discount.

And man, stuff's expensive. The iPad,

I'm surprised at the iPad. But notably,

iPhone is untouched.

So iPhone pricing has stayed the same.

You can get an iPhone seventeen for seven
ninety nine and yeah.

That

part is surprising because I'm I was
pretty sure that they would raise that

mid cycle because they when they
introduced the new one,

they would want it to be the same price.

so do you think that this means that
they're not gonna raise that price?

I don't know. I think you know if they
announce the ultra or the folding iPhone
it's

gonna probably be three thousand dollars
now.

They'll just get their margins there.

Yeah, but

like six people are gonna buy that.

Well, no, all of us. All of the tech not
you,

but all of us YouTubers, whatever.

It's like I'm not buying I'm not buying
that thing.

Home home home pod, Jason.

The home pod is fifty dollars more
expensive.

Home pod mini is no longer ninety nine
dollars,

it's a hundred twenty nine dollars.

Vision pro Jason is two hundred dollars
more.

Sheesh. I don't I don't even know what
that's crazy.

Mm.

Yeah, everything about this is like we
knew it was coming.

The the amounts are actually not
surprising even though they're shocking.

Or is it the other way around?

Yeah.

They're not shocking even though they're
surprised I don't know.

We knew this was happening. Seeing it
actually happen though,

I just like literally texted three people
and was like,

Hey, I think you might have been in the
market for some stuff.

You should go right now to Amazon and just
buy whatever's in stock because

~

by this afternoon my guess is that's going
to have changed.

And again, this is not the end of the
world and it is not surprising.

Yeah.

I think I heard the interesting
conversation about like Apple just held

on as long as they possibly could.

Do you think it's because they thought it
would resolve itself and they were just

hoping to ride it out and then they got to
the end of it?

Or do you think this is like, no,

we knew we were gonna do this.

We waited as long as we can, but we should
do it now before the new

guy gets in charge.

~ both maybe both things. Try to hold out.

Okay.

If they're gonna have to do it,

do it before John Turner's comes in so
everybody can blame Cook.

Apple stock did take a hit as soon as all
this stuff was announced.

And I just but here's the thing.

They're probably never gonna go down
again.

Like you will never probably be able to
buy MacBook Air for nine ninety nine if

I think there's a possibility yeah,

Apple's stock is down a significant amount
right now.

A decent am a decent amount. I mean,

A decent Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't I don't I own like one chair and
it's because it's I have

a paper certificate. I'm not like I'm not
lamenting my stock portfolio.

Actually I may own more, I just don't know
it 'cause it's in mutual funds

Yeah, it's in the index funds or whatever.

or whatever. But it's but every but it is
definitely

Here's the chart if anyone's wondering.

Donk.

a significant like thing because in what
the stock market is saying

is Apple's gonna sell.

fewer things, right? Because the prices
are higher.

Right.

Not ooh, Apple's gonna make more money
because prices are higher.

That's like, no, this is the impact of it.

And if they're doing it now, that probably
tells us something about their next

earnings. ~ is be the impact of the memory
prices.

So I don't know. I just think it's a it's
a inevitable thing.

Do I think prices will come back down?

Hmm. That's a fair question. If anything,

like I could see if if the prices of RAM
even out

like the MacBook Neo and maybe the Air
coming back down,

or they find a way to bring up the base
memory to twenty four gigs

in the six version or something.

Do you know what I mean? Like the way they
do that sort of thing.

Yeah. Yeah.

So there was a statement they gave to
Reuters today.

They said, Quote, We have never seen a
component price increase this much this

quickly. We have shielded our customers
from these increases so far,

but we have now reached a point where we
need to begin raising prices on

a number of products, including today's
increases for iPad and Mac.

We know this is not welcome news and we
are working tirelessly to find solutions.

That makes it seem like they are working
to possibly

Bring those prices back down one day.

Maybe.

Yeah, I

I would imagine that Apple does not I mean
they are premium brand but like they

do not want to be starting the MacBook Pro
five hundred dollars more than

it was yesterday or this morning.

No, and the MacBook Neo was like

Yeah.

the biggest news for half of the year and
to raise that a hundred dollars,

you know, it kinda stinks 'cause then the
touch ID version's gonna

be even more expensive, but

Yeah, it's gonna be tough. I don't know,

yeah.

Charging

that much for an Apple T V four K though,

that might be a crime. That's because

Is that the one

that you think is the probably the most
egregious?

I mean, especially for a four year old
device.

Seventy

dollars. That is like sixty some per s
sixty five percent.

That's what I'm saying, percentage wise.

Yeah.

And it has not been updated in one
thousand three hundred and forty six days.

I went to the Mac Rumors Buying Guide
site.

It was released in October twenty twenty
two.

A four year old device to then charge two
hundred and fifty dollars

if you want Ethernet. No, Apple.

Of all the devices, should have left that
alone.

I think that that you're right.

That's probably the most egregious 'cause
even a thirty dollar increase

on the home pipe. But it's because the
Apple T V has what,

thirty two gigs of storage or sixty four
gigs of storage?

Sixty four and then one twenty eight for
the Ethernet version.

Yeah, that's why. That's why.

I know, but

the home pod home pod mini's not been
updated for two thousand and eighty one
days.

It is six years old, unchanged.

And it just kind of bro and

the well the home pod itself. I know.

What memory is even in there? There's
nothing in there.

~

It's really yeah. And the iMac,

the base iMac, which is like it's fine,

The base I mean raised. I know.

but it's like fifteen hundred dollars for
a base iMac.

Listen, for real, if you needed a
computer,

if you were gonna buy your kid a computer
for school this year,

run to Amazon right now. I'll put my
affiliate link in the show notes.

No, but even don't don't even care about
the affiliate link.

Do it.

Just go buy it before Amazon raises the
prices because this is nuts.

And this has been a breaking news segment
of primary technology recorded afterwards.

So you can hear us later talking the show
about ~ I wonder when they're gonna raise

prices. Guess what? We know. We know.

You

already heard that chapter, you can skip
it.

and ready? I'm

gonna I'm gonna keep this in the show,

but I'm gonna record the intro.

Apple just raised a ton of prices across
their product line.

We're gonna get into that. That's gonna be
in the intro.

You're gonna have heard that earlier.

So now this is a recorded after,

inserted in the middle with something for
the intro.

Bro, the editing of the show is gonna be
like inception.

It's like, what is even happening?

It's don't worry, I'll still get it out
I'll still get it out in an hour and a
half.

It's gonna be tenant. How do you do this?

Don't worry.

You need Christopher Nolan to edit this
for you.

I need one of those graphs

that they have on Reddit or whatever.

Okay. Thanks for s thanks for helping back
on.

Alright, Jason, I think the the first
piece of news is probably really important

to you. I feel like you you're probably
getting this.

Did you know that GTA six is now out for
pre-order?

We finally have GTA six. I know,

I did know I don't care. I know,

don't send me messages. Listen,

I know. Yeah,

I was not allowed to play Grand Theft Auto
when I was a kid,

okay? So I never got into it.

same. Save. But I think this is the meme
that's been going on for years.

It's like what we get before GTA six.

So well the meme is finally gonna end
because it's coming out.

That's true.

November nineteenth is the full release.

You can get for PS5, Xbox Series,

S or X, $80 game. Ultimate Edition is a
$100 game.

And one of the most divisive facts about
this game's release,

aside from being 10 years after GTA 5,

if you buy the physical addiction,

it wait a minute, what did I just say
physical addiction?

I did Freudian slip. No. The fi yeah,

You can reboot that, that's fine.

hold me restart. Physical edition,

you get the box and then a download code
in the box.

You don't get a physical disc.

Which I feel like some people are probably
not going to catch that and then

be very mad when you when they get their
thing.

You get a box, but the the age of physical
media,

But you got a box.

Jason. You know, when I did my
collidescape video,

I had one thousand comments about just
saying Blu-rays,

Blu-rays. And I'm like, Best Buy doesn't
even sell Blu-rays anymore.

I don't even know where you buy I mean,

you can get them on Amazon, I guess,

but blue like they're not I get it.

There's still a big section at Circuit
City.

That is not true. I worked at Circuit
City.

Okay. They are out of business.

There is no circuit city. Well,

Okay. I know. Yeah.

and

my ~ twelve year old, he has this he plays
stuff on the Switch

and he'll occasionally go to the library
and we'll just check out games because

you can borrow some games and stuff from
there.

But he actually doesn't like if we buy him
a game,

he prefers to not have the chip.

He calls it a chip, the little it's like
an SD card or whatever.

Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He doesn't want that because he is anxious
about putting it in and out of the

One time you stuck it in backwards,

which you're not supposed to be able to
do,

Aww No, shouldn't ooh.

but he definitely did. And so he would
rather just download.

Yeah, and it's also funny, like a lot of
comments were of pre-orders

for a digital only game basically.

It's like are you gonna sell out?

Are you gonna sell out of copies?

So the pre-order thing is kind of funny of
like what what line are

you getting ahead of?

Well, I mean that's just like you can pre
save songs on Spotify.

Wha what does that even mean?

Yeah,

that's yeah, that's fair. I guess it just
gets downloaded anyway.

GTA six, it's a real thing, it's coming
out.

~ so yeah, there's that. Also it's coming
out.

An EV here made in America that's under
twenty five grand,

at least if you get the very base model.

Did you know about this slake truck?

Had you heard about this before?

We

talked about this I believe when it was
announced.

Did we talk about it?

Okay, well, pre-orders are out.

You can pre-order this truck for $300
deposit.

The delivery window is into 2027,

so this will be coming next year.

But this is an American made. They're
designed in California and Michigan,

Michigan. You know where the tru

and that's right!

the the vehicle the car capital of the
world?

Michigan.

You you should like try to get to the
factory or whatever.

You're right there. They're engineered in
Michigan.

They're n I don't actually

know if they're assembled in Michigan to
be honest.

They're assembled in Indiana. They're
assembled in Indiana.

Okay, yeah. Well I guess then still I can
still get to Indiana pretty

Pretty close. Pretty close.

c pretty easily. It's just right there.

So this is a supposed to be an affordable
EV,

25 grand. It has a 205-mile range.

So not super long range, but the the
selling point is basically this thing

is bare bones. The it comes as a pickup
truck,

and then it is a modular type car where
you can add attachments for it to

be an SUV with a square back. You can add
a row to add.

Read more seats for a total of five seats.

You can have open air, and there's lots of
wraps you can get it with.

Like it is the most customization.

Well, maybe not the most, but it's a lot
of customization for a car ~ that

you can order here. And again,

the idea is that it's simplicity,

but that simplicity also means bare bones.

Like there's no infotainment system,

like there's no screen built into this
thing.

It's like bring your own screen.

And there's a smart home, smartphone
holder.

That you can do there. You can also get
mounts for things like an iPad

if you want to have an iPad as the screen.

But it is very minimalistic. Physical
dials,

you know, like for air conditioner.

You know, it's not it's like the opposite
of modern cars where everything's

electronic. A lot of physical buttons,

physical knobs and stuff. I I kind of want
to see this succeed.

I feel like this would be A, just cool if
it existed.

B

The community that would probably get
behind this thing and just build cool
stuff

for it, like add ons, 3D printed
accessories to put in the dash,

all of that. And also like that it is the
most probably affordable EV you can get.

I f and like a model three is in the
thirty thousands,

I th if if you get like base model,

I think. I don't know, this cool and some
of the wraps look really cool.

Sure.

And so I'm I did not put a deposit on it
yet,

but I was like, I don't know, it's kinda
tempting.

Do you still have a deposit on an R two?

Yeah, but you can't buy the cheaper
versions until like whatever,

years from now. So probably not doing
that.

But MKBHD has a video of this.

His shtick on the autofocus channel of
coming out of a plant is in full swing
every

Every time.

time, which is hilarious. But yeah,

he goes through, he has a full tour of the
vehicle.

Again, this is not, you know, the most
maybe aesthetically pleasing car.

It is small. Like you c you can touch,

you know, the other side of the car from
the driver's seat.

It is not

meant for room or being large,

but you know, if you're a single person or
just you and one other person,

like it's probably not a family vehicle,

although you can add the other seats.

I don't know. I kind of I kinda like this.

There are it's not automatic windows.

There's an actual turn window stick,

I think, on the base model, which I don't
know.

Maybe people like that throwback.

That kind of retro I don't I don't know.

What do you think about this? Yeah.

I have two thoughts. One,

first of all, you don't need one,

Steven. I th I'm glad it exists.

Why don't you know? Yeah, I'm glad it
exists.

But but it's like this is this is not for
you.

I just I just wanna say that. I mean,

No, probably not. Probably not.

any more than the framework laptop was for
you,

right? Okay. Just wanna be clear.

Okay, fair. See, that's fair.

Also, I think that within three and a half
years IKEA buys this company because this

is basically if they made a vehicle,

what it would be.

Good,

Their

yeah.

ordering flow. I was going through the
process right now.

I was like, I wonder what it would
actually take.

But it's like you can order the the square
back,

which is like a two door SUV, basically.

And as you scroll through the thing,

it's like, Do you also want a tonneau
cover?

And I'm like, I don't understand.

Like it's a s it's an enclosed but I'm
saying,

It's all piecemeal. It's

what would you do with the tonneau cover
if you have a square back SUV?

Yeah, yeah, that's true. Well

Where is the tonneau cover going?

and I th but I think you can like swap it
out yourself maybe if if you wanted

Gotcha.

to get the other parts. And you know,

But if you make it a square

that's cool.

back SUV and put it s and put the bench
seats back there,

I don't think there's room for the cover.

That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm
saying.

No, no, no, there there's not.

I this is cool though. We'll see when it
actually ships,

if it ships next year. But I like this
style right here,

the retrograde. That looks kinda cool.

Yeah, it looks like an Atari.

Exactly. Anyway, so that's the slate
truck.

You can pre-order it now, it's out there.

Another thing you can pre-order is new
meta glasses.

So up until this point, meta has only had
the meta ray bands.

with the camera and speakers and all that
kind of stuff,

or they partnered with Oakley and they had
the outdoor glasses.

Well now meta's like this is their
glasses.

No Ray Bans branding. They partnered with,

how do you say this? Elisor Luxotica?

Esselor. Luxotica.

look Luxotica.

Well what is the Esalore? Yeah,

SLOR LXATIOKA

that. So they partnered with Esselor
Luxotica to make meta glasses.

There's three styles. You can get the
Fury.

You can get the

Kiley version or the meta adventurer.

Now, spoiler, I've never had meta glasses,

but I have ordered these because I'm gonna
make a YouTube video about them.

And I've you know, I think we're entering
we're safely in the era

of stuff on glasses is gonna be a thing.

Sm some smarts. And so I've I've always
wanted to have a pair

of meta glasses because for videos if I
want to do like first person POV type
stuff,

man, it would be nice to not have to hold
a camera and I can just record what

my face is seeing.

And just to try it out. Now they're $300.

If you have a prescription, it's $100
more.

So these things are $400 if you have a
prescription,

which is what I did. It comes with meta AI
built in.

It has the speakers. You can talk to it.

You can ask what you're looking at.

~ eight hours of battery. It has the
charging case.

And there's also this new charging stand
that you can get,

which I also got that I'm gonna put in a
video and we'll see how that is.

I have to charge so many things now,

Jason. Do you ever get charging fatigue?

Just like I just tired of charging stuff.

You ever get that? Do you ever get that
feeling?

I mean, I d I try not to think about it.

I just try to charge everything at a
specific I plug everything in at once

and then it's all good to go for basically
like a day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I yeah, I'm testing a bunch of headphones,

which we're gonna get to in the bonus
episode,

and and I'm just like, I gotta charge I'm
just tired of charging stuff.

It's just everything's gonna be charged.

But anyway, I'm gonna get this little
charging stand.

Now, can you guess which style I got,

Jason? I'll give I did get the Kylie.

Dow you d I'm sure you the Kylie ones,

for sure.

I got the Kylie ones that are tiny little
ovals that wouldn't even cover

my eyeballs, probably. No. I got the I got
the meta furies because I have

That seems weird.

a big head, so I figured let me get the
big frames.

Which

are basically like Warby Parker ripoffs.

I mean they look a lot like what I'm
wearing right now.

Which is why I got them. 'Cause I 'cause I
wear war do you wear me parkers too?

Yes, we've talked about this.

I don't know even a Warby Parker.

How this is literally the iconic Warby
Parker sh form factor and

That is yes.

you couldn't tell that that's what I'm
wearing.

Well, they have a lot of styles now.

You know what I mean? I thought you would
you'd be a fancy guy that you have

to t okay, yeah, they say Warby Parker in
there.

Listen, we've been wearing Warby Parker
every episode this entire podcast.

Spon sp sponsor us, okay? ~ but anyway,

Completely unsponsored. Here here's the
thing.

yeah.

I the

thing I hate the most is is having to go
somewhere and talk to someone about what

I want. So I do yeah, that's actually just
in general,

Just in general. In general.

but especially at the eye doctor.

Sure.

So I go and I get my exam. I do not want
to sit down with this consultant who's

going to try to fit me for glasses.

I don't want anything to do with any of
that.

No, no, no, no, no.

And so I just say, Thank you for my
prescription and I go home and I put

That's it.

it in the Warby Parker app and then they
send me stuff.

And I don't have to talk to anyone about
it.

That's that's

And it's

Fine. I don't think your

exactly what I do as well.

doctor and the sales people, they should
never those like s those streams should

Never the twain shall meet. That's it.

not cross. It's like it's like a bad
thing.

I Yes,

So okay, but let me tell you three things
about the metaglasses real quick.

Okay. First of all, ~ the commercial.

you there.

Do they not watch Apple's keynote because
their demos of stuff are just like flying

by and you're like, there's no way that
that works.

There's no way that this is possibly
working the way that it says that it's
working.

Right.

And so that's the they did not pay
attention to the fact that the the what
Apple

got the most credit for was l letting us
watch it wait.

Right? Like just wait. Yes. Secondly,

Demo the things. Demo the things.

I mentioned this to like several people,

like, yeah, I gotta read about the new
metaglasses because and they're like,

didn't they already do that? Like four
times?

Like there's a real problem that cause no
one knows that the difference here

Yeah.

is that these aren't Ray-Ban. Now they're
still

Yeah, nobody cares.

They're still with

Yeah.

Lexotica and they still basically look the
same.

They're like, wait, they made another pair
of glasses.

Like, what's different about this pair of
glasses than the other ones?

I'm like, Well, they're not Ray-Ban.

It's like, but that it's so it's very,

very difficult for people to care when you
do when you do this.

Yeah. Yes.

And also they're not Ray-Ban,

which just means they're not like the
Wayfarers or whatever,

Right.

but they're still basically the same.

There's the same company. It's still
exotica.

Like they they're not moving away from
that.

I don't know, like what made you wanna buy
these compared to any

of the previous versions?

So I had tried to buy the previous
versions and it was very difficult to

do it with a prescription. I like the Ray
Bans website.

The display ones or the other one?

Just the regular with a camera ones.

Just the normal ones. Normal ones.

Okay.

I did try to do the display ones as well.

And I even tried to go to I tried to make
an appointment at a Best Buy

Yeah, like do in person.

and all the Best Buys around here,

they were like, We don't know what that
is.

So ~ like I on the website, there just
wasn't a thing.

But I tried to order the Ray Bans and they
wouldn't let me or I couldn't figure

out how to do the prescription when I
ordered it.

And to Meta's credit, the ordering process
here was a lot easier.

You just choose your style. You manually
put in your prescription,

which was kind of hilarious. Usually when
you order glasses like Warby Parker,

they're like, upload your prescription.

We're gonna make sure this is legit,

that it's not expired five years ago.

Meta was like, just put in your numbers,

we'll take care of it. And so like I
didn't have to upload my prescription,

I just put in the numbers. Like that
probably leaves a lot of room for error.

You know, especially you know,

people That's the thing.

Also, they're literally a prescription.

Which that would

be like me like, Yeah, I promise you I
definitely have a prescription for this,

~ the lotted. It's like you can send it to
me,

Right. This medication.

it's totally cool, it's fine.

Yeah, so was like, maybe maybe change that
to upload the prescription.

But so the ordering process was easier and
I actually got an email just this morning

saying they are now working on them.

They apparently delivered July seventh,

so I'm not gonna get for a couple of
weeks.

But ~ because the ordering process was
easy and I don't know,

it feels like the glasses tech,

you know, the snap spectacles last week,

we talked about those. We didn't mention l
like Sna is it Evan Spiegel,

the Snapchat CEO?

Sure, yep. Yes, yes.

Is that his name?

Yeah, yeah. Just like all the videos of
him wearing them in interviews and stuff,

and like his ears are like basically bent
downwards,

like is they s they look very heavy and
very uncomfortable.

But it's clear everyone's like doing this.

We're all doing the glasses. So I just
wanted to be able to experience

it and speak to it as a creator,

as a tech person, and also see like is
this is this valuable?

Like I'm gonna go around and I'm also
curious if anybody accosts

me because they think I'm recording them.

I don't know. Have you ever seen videos
like that?

But I mean meta

glasses have been around for a little
while.

That that's not new.

But I don't see them in the real world a
lot.

Like I saw when I went to podcast movement
conferences,

I saw two pairs there. And even at CES,

I think maybe I saw like one, but I do not
see them out and about.

And I'm gonna go to like Armature Works,

which is like a big food hall here in
Tampa,

and I'm gonna wear them and we'll see if
any you know,

Karen's come up to and they're like,

Don't record me. We'll see if that we'll
see if that happens.

You know, according to Meta's press
release,

glasses are the most exciting hardware
category

Yes.

of the AI era. Now, do you know why,

by the way, Meta thinks this? This it
that's it.

It's the only hardware they make.

That's the only reason.

This is they're the most exciting category
because it's all we got.

Exciting. So exciting.

We can't sell a phone because you already
got your iPhone.

We can't sell you.

Headphones because you already have
AirPods.

We c we can't sell you a smart speaker
because all the people

who make speakers works for Google and
Apple and Sonos.

Yeah.

And we're we're gonna get to how many
original ideas Zuckerberg

has actually had because it's sh
shockingly few.

Sh I mean,

I actually think the number's zero,

just to be clear.

would Facebook be an idea that was
original to Zuckerberg?

No,

because I don't think he originally came
up with the idea.

I believe he just did it, yes.

He just built the he built the stuff
behind it.

And MySpace was the thing before that too.

Also f no, it was hot or not was like the
thing before it.

Well, that

was what he made, yeah, yeah. Originally.

But I don't know. Yeah. We'll we'll we'll
get to we'll get to that.

Anyway, we'll talk about I'll tell a
couple weeks from now.

I'll I'll wear the metaglasses during the
show and everybody can yell

at me for recording. Well, I wouldn't be
recording them because

I'm just recording I'd be recording my own
camera.

Anyway. Steam console also is out there
for pre-order.

This was announced last year, and
spoilers,

it's really expensive because ~ you know,

ramp prices and stuff. So this is a it's a
black box.

The Steam console.

If you're not familiar, Steam is the video
game platform where you can

get a bunch of games. You know,

I have Steam on this gaming PC over here.

You can also have Steam on your Mac.

I'll put a link to the IGN review and also
Sean Hollister w did a VergeCast episode.

Can I just say a side note? How are you
feeling about the daily verge casts?

We talked about this last week.

I know, but now it's been like a week or
two.

we didn't talk about it

on the show. ~ again, I think that that
especially David Pierce

is like if they gave out Lifetime
Achievement Awards that he would

get one for podcasting, right?

Yes, yes. He's podcasting a lot.

I I think it's too much of a good thing.

Mm.

I only really listen to the Friday show.

That is the verge cast to me. I feel like
they should have launched this

Same yeah, yeah, yeah.

as something else. I understand why they
didn't.

real hard to build an audience in another
feed.

You might as well just dump it in the feed
you already got with the audience.

I I understand that the opportunity to
sell more ad inventory is just too good

of a thing to pass up, but I I don't I
don't think so.

Sure.

Yeah, I have mixed emotions ca enjoyed I
just listened to Jennifer Tuey

on the smart home episode, and like I
enjoy listening to that.

Was that the Roombo one or whatever?

No, they talked about the Gemini speaker
and which I actually have being delivered

No, that was decoder. That was decoder.

today, apparently. And so we're gonna see
what that's like.

But like I enjoyed that episode with her
and Sean Hollister's episode talking about

the Steam console. He said a lot of things
I don't understand,

like graphic cards things and V RAM.

And it's kind of fun just to listen to
someone just speak extemporaneously about

something they were extremely
knowledgeable and passionate about.

So if you just want to hear that,

I would encourage you to listen to that
Sean Hollister episode.

But I also do, I just want a Friday feed,

like you're saying. I would love a Friday
feed.

But anyway, the Steam console,

this is basically a Linux PC that has like
boots into the Steam platform.

But because it's a Linux PC, you can do
things like connect whatever peripherals

you want.

And you can buy it, you know, with a Steam
controller,

which is like its own thing, or you can
use whatever controller you want.

You can connect a keyboard and mouse to
it,

whatever one you want. And it's just this
discrete black box.

It is $1,049 for 512 gigs of storage,

$1,128 if you want it with a controller.

And if you want two terabytes,

it is $1,349. And it is this expensive.

And Steam has said we are selling this at
cost.

They're saying this is just what it costs
to make this because of

the RAM and storage prices right now.

So they are not trying to make a profit on
this console.

It is just kind of an unfortunate perfect
storm where the RAM

and SSD prices coinciding with the launch
of this box means it's very expensive.

But yeah, it's there. This is I didn't of
all the things that

I pre-ordered this week, this is not
something.

Yeah, no, it is a real bad time to launch
a product that requires a lot

of memory or storage.

and you know, we didn't cover this last
week,

but Tim Cook in an interview said prices
are going up on stuff.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean

it was kind of inevitable, especially like
Ben Thompson talks a lot about

how in actual dollars, Apple has been
lowering the price of the iPhone

for years because it is the same they did
go up a hundred dollars,

I think, this last with the seventeen pro,

maybe. Was that true? It went up to ten
ninety nine from nine ninety nine

Yes, yes.

or something. But they also changed the
base minimum storage amount

at the same time. So in that c but

They are going to have to raise prices
because like you could buy

an iPhone in twenty twenty five for the
same price as you could buy

an iPhone in twenty twenty. Right.

Yeah, right.

So in actual dollars, they were only like
seven hundred bucks,

like adjusted.

But he is saying specifically because it's
the memory prices.

Yeah, so what I'm saying is like
essentially the price of an iPhone

has been getting cheaper due to inflation.

Sure. Ray Ray Ray.

So they there's no way they can continue
doing that as the costs are going up.

They have to make that adjustment.

Right, right, right.

Tim Cook said, I've never seen anything
like this in forty years,

as far as the differing what a picture ABC
News used here of Tim Cook about it.

Do you think but here's a question Do you
think that prices will

be raised for current products or will
Apple just launch new products this fall

at higher prices?

I I don't know the answer to that.

I would be not surprised if they raised
prices.

They've been basically you know,

trying to increase or reduce the sticker
shock when you log on to

the website by cutting off the bottom like
model so you get used to a higher price.

Right, the bottom tier. That's what they
did with the Mac Mini.

Yeah. So you get used to those larger
dollar amounts,

Yeah.

even though you're essentially getting the
same value for that.

I wouldn't be surprised if they just make
an adjustment so that when they release

things they they're the same price.

And they can take the that way you're
taking a hit.

on products you're basically not selling
anymore.

And so it's like, okay, this might slow
down sales on a product that we're

not like the iPhone 17 Pro. I I know Apple
still sells them.

They don't sell nearly as many of them now
as they're gonna sell eighteen pros

in September. And if you just slow that
process down and then you can promote

a new price that's essentially the same,

I think that that's better math than than
introducing a new product with

a higher price.

Yes. But man, that's gonna be weird and
people will have things to say about it.

'Cause they will

Of course they

will, but also everything is getting more
expensive and I think people understand.

Yeah.

I d the the challenge is like this is
gonna be the new baseline.

It's not like Apple's gonna go back down.

The what what's hard is all of Apple's
devices require more RAM in order

Right. Siri AI.

to run Apple Intelligence and it's hard to
get RAM right now because

all that Apple Intelligence is running on
NVIDIA server or you know,

NVIDIA GPUs and Google's cloud.

Red. Red.

And guess what? All of those things
require a whole bunch of RAM.

So it's like a double edged sword where
it's like we need more RAM,

Right. Yes.

it's more expensive to build our products
and the reason is because we need

the RAM in order to run the AI and the AI
is using up all

Right.

I also think when and if the Mac well not
if,

but when the new Mac Studio comes out,

whether that's an five or an six at this
point,

who knows? That it will be more expensive,

but also the higher tiers will be way more
expensive,

I think. Like if you want a Mac Studio
with 128 gigs of memory or five twelve,

if that's even an option, it will you know
the impression.

I don't think it will be yet. Maybe later,

but I don't think at launch it will.

Well the hundred I think the hundred and
twenty eight gig model probably

be astronomical.

compared to what it was. Which it was
already expensive to upgrade the

RAM on any Mac. You know, but that's where
the margins are.

Sure. But you get a MacBook

That's what they

Pro with like a hundred and twenty eight
or something like that for like six grand.

You can 128.

And the right, but that price has not
changed yet.

But I imagine that's one of those tiers
that we'll see pri you know go up.

So, and speaking of chips, I'll just throw
this in here before we take a break.

OpenAI has made their own chip.

So here's Sam Altman cheesen with the chip
that they've partnered

and made in collaboration with Broadcom.

They called it Jalapeno. Okay.

but anyway, they're trying to make this
chip because they don't want to be as

Dependent on NVIDIA for all their chip
stuff.

It's gonna be a long time before they get
away from that,

I'm sure. Yes.

I mean, hold on.

There's a company who notoriously wanted
nothing to do with NVIDIA for years.

And they in fact they bought a company
called PA Semi so that they

can make their own processors so they
wouldn't have to use Intel either.

And they just announced that they're going
back to using NVIDIA GPUs.

Right.

Apple. Like, come on, like you're not
gonna get away from it.

Yes, Apple did. I know. I know.

Like if you want to do AI, which I think
OpenAI wants to do AI,

Yeah.

I think it's part of their business plan.

You think? You think? Yes.

Yeah, this is not there's no way.

This is like that's great. This is just
marketing.

Yeah, and it's all so this is also
designed for inference and if to

d make that disting distinction,

inference, the process of running the
models is when you ask ChatGPT something,

that's inference. Whatever processing it's
doing in real time as you're making that

request, that's the inference part.

So even if it uses this chip for the
inference side,

which maybe one day, a couple of years
from now,

it'll get cheaper because they're using
the their own chips,

quote unquote. There's still all the
training part.

of the models, which is where a lot of
processor intensive work has to be done.

And so this is not for that. That will
also still be NVIDIA for a long time.

But

Well

and I mean I don't think that these are I
don't think this is a GPU,

is it? I think it's a CPU, right?

It is a CPU, yeah.

Which that's fine. Guess what those CPUs
do?

They just send all the work to GPUs.

Right?

Right.

Unless it's like real simple, I guess.

Like the fast models, maybe.

I th I still think it because that's
NVIDIA's big thing is that you

can buy the stack that has their CPU,

their GPU. Like I don't know. I mean I
just th I think this is marketing.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, you're probably right.

All right. We're gonna talk about some
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The iOS 27 beta two came out. I did a
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All right, have you put the beta yet on
your main iPhone?

No, I haven't. But I do need to make a
correction first,

Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

before I go too far. I and I'm only gonna
do this because I just know our listeners,

you're very astute, and some of you are
gonna leave us comments.

Some of you already have because we didn't
do this correction.

But I y I think when I made the comment
about hot or not,

you said something about Zuckerberg made
that,

but he did not. It was made by someone
else.

But they basically copied it with like the
swipe thing with the f what have they

~

called that thing? Friend feed or face
face swap,

Feaf yeah. Friends Friendster?

the Facebook. I don't even know.

Anyway.

Friends maybe, I don't know. Okay.

No, that was something different too.

But anyway, I just wanted to correct it.

Thank you.

If you left a comment,

you can go ahead and delete it now.

We know that Mark Zuckerberg did not make
hot or not.

Ha ha.

He made a copy of it. So sorry.

Thank you, thank you. Speaking of which

Anyway, what was your c go ahead.

the social I mean you saw the social
network movie back in the day,

Yes.

right? Yes. And now they're making the
sequel,

The Social Reckoning.

Yes. I have not seen that, obviously,

but ~ yeah.

It

is with the guy from Succession.

What is his name? Jeremy Strong is playing
Mark Zuckerberg.

Yeah. d yeah.

And the social reckoning, ~ it comes out
this year.

Is it already? I don't think it's already
out,

but we we talk about Aaron Sorkin a couple
last week,

a couple weeks ago, just as a writer.

He's doing all the things for this movie.

He's the director, he did the screenplay,

he's the producer. This is an Aaron Sorkin
joint.

Just throwing that out there.

Yeah. Yeah, and I

think so there's two things. I mean,

I'm a big Aaron Sorgan fan. We've talked
about like I've told you like

we had this conversation over chat about
the newsroom,

which I told you was like one of the three
one of the foundational legs

of the Holy Trinity of Aaron Sorgan
television,

along with Sport Knight in the West Wing.

He also did a few good men. ~ he did the
play.

He like did a Broadway or a play w The
Kill a Mockingbird.

Like anyway.

The thing about the social network is that
his people don't talk in real life

the way Aaron Sorkin writes. So when
you're writing a true to f like

a not a documentary, but like a true
story,

it's kind of tough because it's like they
should not talk about it like that.

Like it's way, way too clever.

Yeah.

But yeah, but I but I I still want to see
it.

So although you can't beat Jesse Eisenberg
as Mark Zuckerberg.

I'd be curious.

And apparently tried to get Jesse
Eisenberg back and they did not.

He's like, No,

But

I've already been known as Mark Zuckerberg
for part of my life.

Right.

I'd like to move on from that phase.

Apparently I I've heard because this was a
part of another show,

but if you listen to Jeremy Strong do the
voice of Mark Zuckerberg,

he does nail the voice. He sounds like
Mark Zuckerberg sounds today.

Mm.

And this is apparently about one of the ~
whatever happened a number

of years ago that was like a controversy
within Facebook.

Not the Cambridge Analytica stuff and not
anything in the last like five years.

This is about another

contested thing. So I'm not even sure the
event it's it's covering.

But the social reckoning, I don't know,

maybe we should do a a movies on the side
mashup and do the social reckoning.

Tech versus yeah.

Yeah, do the tech thing. But the original
social network was amazing.

Like that was a great movie. And you know,

you should drop the th drop the the drop
the the the Facebook.

Anyway. Thank you for that correction.

We will I want to talk about I was twenty
seven real quick.

Beta two came out. Everyone's saying Siri
AI is much faster.

Also, shortcuts got an automation toggle,

which is very nice. So if you go to the
automations page in shortcuts in

iOS 27 beta 2, you can now toggle on
automations much easier,

which is great. I am not running it on my
main iPhone yet.

I'm running it everywhere else.

And I did a video on the smart home
updates.

All the things coming. And apparently,

in the code, this was found via Macworld,

actually found code in the beta.

I'll actually link the Macworld article.

Seems to imply Siri AI is coming to future
Apple TVs and home pods.

I am so hoping. This fall,

like this was the thing that was
supposedly holding up new home pods,

new Apple TVs, and maybe the home pod with
a screen was Apple's Siri AI.

And maybe we didn't talk about this,

but now like it's out there. Siri AI is
the thing.

It's actually pretty good. Everyone's
using it.

I'm using it. It's

Gonna be the it's gonna be here in the
fall,

maybe. And the Macworld found code that we
might finally get a new Apple

TV hardware and a new home pod.

And interestingly, TV OS 27 drops support
for the first Apple TV 4K model.

So if you have the oldest Apple TV 4K,

it's not gonna get TV OS 27. You have to
have a second or third generation Apple

TV 4K, and maybe that means.

New Apple TV hardware with Siri AI,

home pod with Siri AI, one can hope,

and I am I am hoping. That's all I'm
saying.

Yeah, I mean,

it does make sense that the iPhone and the
Mac and the iPad,

those are all devices that can exist
without Siri AI,

right? Like they've all existed.

Siri's been terrible on them. So you would
release it there first,

because yes, I think they knew that it was
good,

but they needed to pressure test it in the
wild and like get it out there.

I it does make sense that they didn't
introduce introduce devices that depend on
it.

And that was like the hold up,

I guess, with especially the home pod with
a screen was like this relies on Siri AI.

Right.

And

so it's like, well, that makes sense.

Let's let's get it out there and make sure
that we get the actual thing

out of beta before we release a product
that is entirely dependent on it.

Also, like they wouldn't have announced a
product now that requires software that's

not coming till September.

Correct. Right, yeah. So they're not going
to announce it.

But one other an encouraging footnote,

okay, Siri AI, it does not require the
newest iPhones.

I think this is a confusion I keep seeing
online.

The better on device dictation model

and the expressive voice for Siri,

those are the two things that require the
newest hardware.

iPhone 17 lineup, iPhone Air, and iPads
with M3 or MacBooks with M3 and newer.

Those are the two things that explicitly
require newer devices.

But Siri AI is coming to a bunch of
devices.

And I'll put this Apple Newsroom article
about Siri AI because it lists

all the models that are getting Apple
Intelligence and Siri AI in iOS 27.

And it includes everything from the iPhone
15 Pro and newer.

So every iPhone that has Apple
Intelligence and newer.

And this is going to come into our prime
day personal tech things because

I posted about an iPad mini sale going on
for Prime Day,

and people were like, it's not even going
to get Siri AI.

It is. The iPad Mini with the A17 Pro will
be getting,

it has Apple Intelligence now,

and it will be getting Siri AI come this
fall.

And also, obviously, the MacBook Neo is
getting it.

That's an A18 chip. The iPads,

M1 or later, even Apple Watch SE3 when
paired with an Apple Intelligence iPhone.

So, but what I think is interesting,

there's the iPad Mini A17 Pro.

That's going to get Siri AI. What is the
chip in the Apple TV 4K?

I'm going to try and look it up now.

think the A twelve Bionic or something,

It is it is old, I'm not gonna lie.

I don't know. Maybe the A fourteen?

I don't know.

It is the A15.

It is the A15. And it has been a number of
years since it has come out.

I think 2022 was when the last 4K model
came out.

So, all that being said, if we get a new
Apple TV come this fall,

even if it uses the current

old chip, which I would say the iPad mini
has an old chip,

the A seventeen Pro. Even if they just put
that in the Apple TV four K,

that means it would be capable of Siri AI
and all the Apple intelligence stuff.

And I do want Siri AI on my Apple TV.

I want it to be smart enough to tell me
how tall is Brad Pitt or whatever.

Or make make give me some movie
recommendations.

Give me some world knowledge. Let me ask
what is a black hole.

How does it work? Like let me ask all that
stuff of the T V.

And so I'm I'm hoping.

Crossing my fingers. Apple TV and home pod
this fall,

new hardware with Siri AI. Calling it now.

I do want to say two things.

Yes.

One, I can understand why people are
confused,

because there's essentially three tiers.

iOS 27 will go all the way back to I think
the iPhone 11.

Obviously, though, you don't get the Apple
Intelligence features or

the Siri AI features, but I believe they
said the iPhone 11 is getting

up some of the updates. Yes. Okay,

Everything from the iPhone eleven and
later,

yes.

and then this is it. This is last year,

because they've already made the they've
already said that the iPhone

11 series is not vintage, but like

Obsolete.

Maybe I don't know. It's maybe it is
vintage but not obsolete.

Whatever. This is it. This is the last
year you're getting any updates for that
one.

And then the fifteen or newer get the Siri
AI.

And then the seventeen pro get the
expressive voices,

which require that most advanced on.

Right, right, right.

But anything that can send to private
cloud compute can still get a you know,

Siri AI, right? It's and that includes a
much broader range of things.

Yeah, yeah.

Now, the T V thing, I think it's cool.

I don't want anyone shouting at my TV
during a movie asking how tall Brad Pitt
is,

because you know what you can do?

You can shout at your phone. It's fine.

I know, I know.

Like, I know it's it's a fun party trick,

but like do you really want to do those
things on your TV while you're enjoying

a movie? Wouldn't you rather just sit to
your phone how tall is Brad Pitt

Not

and in whatever?

Not while you're watching a movie,

but as you're browsing around,

or if you want to ask it, what was that
movie that had Jennifer Lawrence

and Michael Fassbender? I want my Apple TV
to tell me X-Men First Class.

You know what I mean? I want it to to be
able to answer those questions
intelligent.

I mean the only benefit is then if it says
did you wanna watch it?

But like but I mean I feel like the phone
is still a better better format for that.

Yeah.

Maybe I I think

Or your watch.

I think it should be smarter. Also with
all the Apple Home stuff,

because in my video I talk about the home
app now has better descriptions

for what's happening and you can search it
in natural language.

That would be cool to do on the TV too,

at the very least to be able to see like
show me all the packages that were

delivered or be smarter about what
notifications coming up.

But to your point, the iPhone eleven,

actually last year in September,

the eleven was added to the vintage
products list.

from Apple. So it is considered vintage,

but still getting iOS 27. So there you go.

And I think this is a this is the list.

I'll put a link to this. This is Apple
support article that lists

all the products on the vintage list.

There's a lot of Macs. All the iPods.

Yeah.

And yeah 11 Pro and 11 Pro Macs are on the
vintage list.

There you go. And obsolete is a different
designation.

The iPhone 8 is the

newest iPhone that is on the obsolete
list.

I think that means they won't service them
anymore.

They won't service them. That's the thing.

That's the thing. All right. So that's a
that's the TBOS thing.

stay tuned. I mean all the beta it's beta
season.

I've resisted putting the main beta on my
iPhone just yet.

I'm close. I'm close because I want to be
able to speak to using Siri AI day to day.

And being on the iPhone Air because I
don't carry it around with me,

I'm not using it. And I might ~ yeah.

and d the smart home notifications have
not been ~ bettered yet because

as you can see, I have a ton of smart home
notifications.

And beta

two still doesn't let you see the photos.

it won't like it let you it won't on
screen?

You can't be pull up a photo and be like,

Yeah.

What kind of dog is this? But

if you screenshot it and you ask it,

it will do it. I don't understand.

The

w there's also ~ shortcuts for a long time
the action was get what's on screen,

which only worked with Safari and maybe
Apple Maps where it would get

the URL for whatever you're looking at on
screen.

It was not a good shortcuts action because
it didn't work in most contexts.

That's changing to a get what's on screen
AI context action,

and that's not there yet. There's actually
a message in the shortcuts

app that's telling you this action is
being deprecated for this other action,

which is interesting. I don't think

Apple and shortcuts has done that before,

being like, hey, this action is going
away.

Look for this new action. But that is that
is coming.

I'm gonna try I wanna try. Get what's on
screen.

If you tap the little I, it says or if you
add it to a thing.

no, it changed I need to do a video on
this.

Sorry. We have to I gotta go.

We have to end the show right now.

Steven has work to do.

I gotta go. No, the get what's on screen
action,

this was not the case before. You didn't

You couldn't choose what to get on screen.

It was just a blank get what's on screen.

And now you have this full list of stuff
where you can,

you know, get reminders, pull phone
numbers.

this is very exciting. And for the scope,

you could do all visible or focused app
only.

That is very cool. I'm I'm now I'm very
curious now.

Well, I know what video I'm doing this
weekend.

Okay. You got that. Chick.

I'm glad this was a productive recording
for

And listen, I get I get ideas.

You know what I mean? I get ideas.

And I need I needed something else for the
video this weekend,

so that works out well. All right,

real quick Google Play Store payment
processing,

they're changing the percentage take.

This is the constant push and pull of
regulators and countries trying to

get the app stores to lower their
percentages.

And now the Google Play Store,

if you have an app that makes less than
one million dollars annually

in the Google Play Store, they will take
10%,

10% of your earnings. If it earns over one
million dollars.

They will take twenty percent,

but on renewing subscriptions,

only 10%, even if you make multi millions
of dollars with your app.

They also announced a new level up and
apps experience,

which will have lower fees. I'll link the
Verge article that has this breakdown.

But just to compare that to Apple,

Apple's small business program,

which is also up to a million dollars a
year,

fifteen percent, so still higher than
Google.

And if you make over a million dollars,

Apple's still taking thirty percent,

the highest of all the percents from
developers.

So yeah.

I thought that was interesting.

I'd be curious if we have de app
developers who we I know we have

app developers who listen, but I'd be
curious if this affects anyone.

I have been asked why I didn't make my app
available on the Google Play Store.

And I mean, the answer is I don't care,

but the other answer I tell people,

no, that's not really true. I would.

It's just that like it's just entirely
based on Cloud Kit in terms of being able

to sync between devices. And you have to
move to a completely different sort

of a system. And they they do exist.

Yeah. Apple intelligence also is in part
of your app,

It's like Well, that's true.

which is

There are I mean, there are other options
for some of that,

but I did not want to build completely two
different separate things.

And

The expectation would be if I had an I ~
if I had a an Android device and

a Mac that I'd still be able to share
notes between them.

And I'm I just am not gonna try to figure
that out.

Right.

You'd have to build your own sync engine,

No, there is that they do exist.

basically. Okay, okay.

Like that sort of I mean like Dropbox
works on multiple device like right,

and there are other types of things that
do that.

Sure.

It's just I'm I'm not going to do that.

That's hard.

That's hard. Listen, vibe coding is kind
of har it's hard enough.

Like just getting the AI to

And the ~ the cloud

kit part ha was probably the hardest part.

Yeah, yeah. The syncing and that's why you
know,

bear things, they all make their own sync
engine.

Because CloudKidd is like while very good,

it's also not a hundred percent all the
time.

It it I have found that it does what I
need it to do.

It's just that I had to work out what I I
had to be able to tell it what

Right.

do I want you to do in certain situations.

Like if I have a note open on my Mac and
on my iPhone,

what do you want to do? How do you decide
what to sync and when?

Right.

Because if you if you accidentally like
delete the entire note on an iPhone

and it immediately syncs and then it
deletes it on your Mac,

like that's probably not what you want.

Right.

So what instructions did you give it for
something like that?

I said, just

don't mess it up. No.

That's a you took Claude. Don't mess it
up.

Thankfully it was like, well, here's what
the best practice is to have

it how it should behave in certain ways.

And on the phone I do have a save.

Okay.

So it does not sync to the cloud until I
hit that save.

Right. So I could make changes on it and
then if I hit save,

they will populate in the other places.

Whereas in the Mac it essentially it just
does it on a time,

Gotcha.

like every so often it's it's it's syncing
in the background.

~

So it it just v I mean version control is
a hard thing.

Yeah, that's it it is hard. And I st I
even get like in bear sometimes

the sync conflicts and it'll show me two
versions of the note,

which I appreciate that behavior because
at least it doesn't overwrite what

Yeah.

it thinks I didn't want. It'll show me
both notes and it'll be like,

which one did you want to keep?

Yeah, Ulysses

does the same thing and it'll ask,

Do you wanna keep one or the other or
both?

And I just always say both. Like I can
just tell it,

don't ask me, just I don't know what I
did,

Yeah, just don't

just save them both, please.

yeah, I just don't want to lose anything.

I will mention here because a lot of
people have been sending me the link.

Bear, the makers of Bear, which is Tiny
Frog,

I believe, they made a an app called
Letera.

Lettera? I'm not exactly sure,

but it is a like an obsidian type app
where it is

a markdown notes editor, but it strictly
looks at

Markdown files in your folder structure on
your Mac.

It is in beta right now. It's Mac only.

I think they're trying they're going to
release it for the rest

of the platform soon. I have downloaded
it.

I did export all my Bear notes as markdown
files.

Tried to get it in Letera Letterra.

It is a beautiful app. Bear and Tiny Frog
makes beautiful apps.

I immediately realized Bear is too good
and I'm not going to move away from Bear

because

The trying to organize the folder
structure and markdown files from bare,

like I actually had Claude doing it for
me.

I said, Claude, cowork, here's my bear
tags.

Here's my folder with all my bear notes as
markdown files.

Make them the same. Organize them the
same.

And it did an okay job until it didn't,

and it's not been exactly right.

And Letera, it's a beautiful app,

but it's still not as robust as the Bear
app.

And so while this is very interesting to
me,

And if you are all in on obsidian but want
something that looks nicer,

you can try Latera because then you can
just point it at whatever folder your

obsidian notes are in and just try it.

Just see what you think. ~ maybe even use
both in tandem,

you know, for different reasons.

But it is a beautiful app. I'll be keeping
an eye on it,

but I'm still sticking with bear.

I'm still all bear all the time.

Are you still app you still Apple notes by
default?

Or you're contextly for your notes?

Duh. But do you use contextly for all
notes now?

Everything except for when I'm writing
like articles.

And you use U Ulysses for that.

But you're a b I thought you were a big
Apple Notes guy.

I thought you used

Yeah,

but it didn't have the two things I
wanted,

so I built an app. It's basically Apple
Notes plus those two things.

But d so did you export all your notes and
import them into Cotextly?

And wouldn't don't you do you have
collaborative notes too?

I did.

my only with my kids, like they'll share
certain things,

Yeah, that's what I have.

but that is a feature that is I'm that I'm
working.

~ interesting. Little T little Ts are
there.

So that you can share things with can
yeah.

That is also the one reason I go into
Apple notes is I have

a couple of collaborative notes.

Yeah.

Yeah. The one thing

I didn't it wouldn't I I mean I there is a
solve for this.

I don't have locked notes in contextly.

It's not a thing. I do have a couple of
those in notes.

~ yeah.

They're not like these are all things I
could move to one password

or something like that. But it's like I do
have a note of recovery codes 'cause

you how sometimes you get the thing and
it's like,

put these codes somewhere safe.

You're gonna need them someday.

Yeah, yeah.

And then I have one that's like kids'
Apple IDs and passwords and Gmail Like
just

In a note?

so that they

In a locked note, yeah. Because I don't
want to save those as credentials.

I just want to have a backup in case the
kids I I don't log into those things.

And so I just saved as a locked note.

Yeah.

It's like it's fine. Eventually these kids
are gonna take ownership

of their own stuff and I'm not gonna care
anymore.

No, I know.

But do you do you sit do you use the
passwords app,

Apple's Passwords app? 'Cause I I keep all
their credentials in there

I do.

and we have shared groups in Apple
Passwords.

And it's and Apple Passwords is pretty
good at when you're logging into

a website like appleid.apple.com,

it'll show you the one you use the most,

which would be mine, and then you just
click for more to see the other ones.

Right.

Well, and using the passwords in Brave
works,

but still cumbersome 'cause you're always
typing in the six digit code

in order to enable the passwords.

Yeah.

Also, what the I don't ever use the I've
literally never log into these accounts.

It's because my kids are like,

I don't know how I'm supposed to do this.

I can just literally open the note,

it's pinned to the top, it's locked,

put f for touch ID as opposed to going
into the passwords where you then

Okay.

you search for Google and it's like,

I have sixteen hundred entries for Google.

That is true. Yeah,

I get I yeah, I get that idea.

'Cause I also have a thousand Google
accounts that are clients that

I had built websites for over the years.

Sure. Well, also

So I do have like fifty Google accounts
that are not

the problem is sometimes you'll have the
same credential saved four times 'cause

it's like accounts.google dot com,

YouTube dot TV, Google like gmail dot com.

Right. It's the same login. Yeah.

Like if you save them separately,

it doesn't then the pain is when you
anyway,

One one day

it's it's not good.

it I'll never have the time or want to do
this,

but to go through and actually add all the
website variations to the one login.

So it's accounts.google.com, YouTube.

Yeah, if Claude Cowork

could go into my passwords app and just
combine ~ it ca it can't.

But if it could I know, but I'm just
saying that would be the scenario.

I don't know if I want to I don't know if
I want Claude doing that,

but

that's one of the errors I'm like,

you what, Claude, stay out of my
passwords.

You don't need to you know be in there.

Leave it alone. It's fine.

Le leave that alone. Another one I wanted
to stay away from my passwords,

Mark Zuckerberg. I decided to throw that
in there.

Perfect. Perfect, perfect.

We've talked multiple times already,

but it's just Zuckerberg, he wants to make
a poly market clone,

but without real money. Now if you're not
familiar with poly market,

it's the prediction market. It's it's
gambling on whatever.

Like, that's what Poly Market and Cash
calshi calci.

Call she, call she.

I actually watched the John Oliver last
week tonight on all the polymarket stuff,

which is insane. But yeah,

he wants to create a prediction market.

And the reason I put this in here is
because I don't know the last time Mark

Zuckerberg had an original idea for a
product.

I mean, meta ray bands, I mean smart
glasses have been a thing.

Google Glass was a thing. When was the
last time Mark Zuckerberg

had an original idea? That's the question.

I don't know.

To buy Instagram.

That's I guess that is an original idea
and then

And maybe

somebody else had tried to do it before
him.

I don't know. I I no the metaverse,

Instagram stories came from Snapchat,

reels came from TikTok.

he's the only person in the world who
cared about that.

And now that's dead. Yeah. Maybe.

But I'm saying maybe that was an original
idea.

So so far his batting

average of original ideas not great.

O for one, maybe O for two.

Duh Polymore. Anyway, so there's that.

Yeah, the ~

prediction markets bad. Just to be clear.

Money or no money, they're bad because
what they do is they incentivize people

to change outcomes that would like it
changes the incentive for the outcomes.

Like the number of times we read stories
about like insider training trading

Yes.

on prediction markets, which apparently is
also a thing,

it's like, ~ someone places a massive bet
that someone won't become elected

in their primary and a day before that
person just drops out of the primary.

Yes.

It's like this is not great.

Correct.

It's not great. It is way too easy to
manipulate from the people who cause

it you could bet on anything. You can bet
on the day iOS twenty seven comes out,

probably. I haven't looked that up,

so but don't do that. Don't do that.

Also, Instagram is trying to get on TV,

which I'm like, they want you to wat they
want to upload horizontal video

to Instagram and they're also gonna let
you watch reels on smart TVs.

Series will be a thing so you can follow
multiple series.

Everybody wants the smart TV.

Yeah, because YouTube is like dominating
on the T V now and it's their fastest

Everyone wants on the TV.

Yes.

growing market and they're like,

we should do that. ~ I don't think this
can't be a thing.

Yeah. It won't fly. No, no, no.

It won't

this is gonna be like the what is it,

Quibi? That was like the horizontal
vertical platform where you can watch

it either way. No, it's not happening.

Also, side note, as I've been in Vision
Pro playing around with the betas,

I noticed that the TikTok app no longer
works in Vision Pro.

TikTok actually had an app for Vision Pro,

and it was kind of interesting because
being in Vision Pro,

who cares if the window's vertical or
horizontal?

You can put it wherever, it can tick
whatever space,

you know what I mean?

And it was act it's ~

It's everything at once. It's open gate.

it's open gate open gate vision.

And it was actually interesting to kind of
scroll the vertical feed in Vision Pro.

You could just kinda have it off to the
side or whatever.

But I went to open the app the other day
and it's just like,

nope, this doesn't work anymore.

I was like, Okay, that's interesting to
put the app in there and then stop
support,

which I'm like, you'd never just never
update it again.

Just leave it alone.

Is it just

'cause it doesn't work in twenty seven?

~ I think I tried it before I updated to
the beta.

I tried it before I updated the beta,

but yeah, so there's that. Okay.

I wanted to do a little bit of follow up
on the UK social media ban.

We got a lot of feedback from people.

Thank you for writing in. I know there
were some strong feelings.

We got also a lot of emails and comments
from social media.

And I don't typically like want to follow
up on big topics like this,

but I wanted to make it clear because if
someone interpreted our segment last week.

as though we are in favor of social media
platforms because we might feel against

the ban. That is not the case.

Those it can be equally true that we are
not in support of a social media ban,

but also not in support of the social
media platforms and how they exist.

Like this those things can be true at the
same time.

And there were also a couple details that
I wanted to make sure we cleared

as far as just the nuts and bolts of
things.

So let me do that first.

we mentioned last week about age
verification and how you might have

to upload a photo ID to verify your age.

And someone on YouTube commented that's
not required for this age verification.

And to be clear, it's actually much more
confusing than that.

Because age verification is done by
various third party entities depending

on the platform. Sometimes it's required
and sometimes it's not.

So in if this ban goes into effect come
spring twenty twenty seven.

Platforms like X, the social media
platform,

if you wanted to use it and you needed to
verify your age,

that actually enforces uploading an ID.

Things like Discord, it's a combination
that it's an ID.

Veritad is identifying ~ age for Discord,

but it's also gonna use on device facial
estimation along with the ID.

Also, platforms like Reddit require a
selfie or government ID.

So on and so forth. Meta, which Instagram
and Facebook,

it is using YoTee, facial age estimation
plus ID,

although it might always be required.

So it is much more complicated when you
look at per platform.

No, you may not be required to upload your
ID to get verified

on all these platforms, but some you may,

and some scanning your face and using AI
for age estimation has been

a notoriously inaccurate in other parts of
the world.

It might take a teenager and age them up,

giving them adult access, and it has also
taken adults and age them down

and then l losing access to a platform
because it thinks that they

are younger than they are, and then people
have to go through all

the steps of actually verifying it in
other ways.

So it is complex situation. No,

it might not require AID, but it might
require things like credit checks

or credit card checks or your email
address,

which would be connected to your financial
institution.

They might

verify your age that way, which you can
decide whether you prefer

to upload a driver's license or state ID
or to connect your banking email finances

to an age verification service.

I would prefer to do neither, honestly.

~ but so all that to say, it is much more
complicated.

No, it is not just upload your ID to the
things,

but it varies widely per platform.

So I just wanted to correct that.

And I also just wanna can I interject real
quick?

Please, yeah, you go.

There are two completely separate fights
over this.

W one is which whether the government
should be requiring age limits.

And the subset of that is what those age
limits should be,

right? I think in the US it's already
thirteen,

essentially, right? But there's no age
verification requirement associated with

Yes, yes. Correct.

that. Okay, so one that's one fight.

Should the government be requiring age
limits?

The second one is who should be
responsible for verifying those ages.

Now

Nobody wants to be responsible.

Nobody.

And all of the platforms believe that
Google and Apple should be responsible.

Now, let's be honest, that's probably the
right answer if this is going

to be a thing. And the reason for that is
twofold.

Especially in Apple's case, we'll set
Google aside for a second because

I don't have any Google devices that I'm
gonna have to verify my age on.

I'd much rather I mean, I already let
Apple scan my face for face ID,

right? I already uploaded I already gave
it my digital ID.

True. Which is on device and doesn't get
sent anywhere,

just to be clear.

That's fair too. Yeah, that's true.

Right. My passport is in there.

Yes.

So like

I much prefer it be Apple. And if Apple
sets your age,

you then it's like a hard feature encoded
in okay,

you can't download this, or it
automatically would filter through.

Right. Right. It applies everywhere.

So but the reason Apple and Google like,

no, no, no, no, this is not our problem,

which they're right. It's not their
problem.

They didn't build these apps that are
causing these problems.

But also these laws come with real
penalties.

There's liability associated with it.

And we saw in Australia there was tons of
counts delita,

but there was also fines associated with
if if like if there's a single case

of a teenager who is using a platform that
the that is illegal like that they're

not old enough to be using, then it's the
platform at this point that

is responsible for that. So no one wants
that liability.

So that's why there's all this fighting
back and forth between no,

you should be the one who has to do this,

no, you should be the one who has to do
this.

It probably should be.

Apple and Google, but I don't want to let
that distract from the fact that

I also don't think the government's the
ones that should be doing this.

Right. So that was the the nuts and bolts
correction.

And then we did actu actually hear from a
number of people in the UK,

and which I feel like would be the best to
speak to their feelings about this.

One ~ I I think they gave me permission,

but I won't mention their name because I'm
not sure.

But they're a parent based in the UK,

two daughters, and they're not at an age
where this would be an issue yet,

but it will be someday, and to them it is
a little scary.

They're saying it's worrisome,

how involved

know, the government would be in the age
verification and and things like that.

So that was one thought. And then also a
friend of the show,

Theo, he is a young person in the UK,

so would be ~ affected by this ban
specifically,

was actually a he he said he was in favor
of it because he does

not have access to some of these apps just
personally and friends do,

and there's a discrepancy there.

And so there is a feeling of like they get
to use these apps and I don't.

It would be nice if we were on this like
level playing field.

And, you know, we talked about in the pre
show how st strict we are,

probably with our kids about social media.

And I understand that pain point
sometimes.

But one of the apps Yeah.

Well and in sorry, and in Theo's case

it's not just like a fear of missing out.

The key piece was k kids who are in that
situation get picked on.

Through no reason of like through no fault
of their own.

Parents like us are like, You can't use
this and they're like,

Ha ha, you can't use this.

Right, exactly. And that's that's it.

And one of the apps not a part of this ban
was WhatsApp.

And Theo was like, I wanna get random
people on WhatsApp contacting me.

It's like that feels pretty dangerous.

Like we want to talk about age
verification and keeping kids safe.

That seems pretty pretty serious.

And then I want to point out Andy in the
UK,

he shared this on threads and I'll link to
his post,

but he thought it it would be helpful to
mention that the UK under sixteen social

media ban

Also has a lot to do, there's been a high
media coverage of teen suicides

and murders, Brianna Gay, Molly Russell,

that are attributed to teen use of social
media,

and they loom over the topic. And I think
that is,

you know, an it's an important point.

I wanted to point that out. Like the
effects of these platforms on teenagers.

There's been so many studies
psychologically,

socially, there's a lot of negative
effect.

And not listening that at all actually.

Like we were talking in pre-show,

I think it would be behooven to someone to
do something about that,

and we just think it should be the
platforms themselves.

And I want to juxtapose that with the
cases here in the US

and Canada where open AI is in court cases
right now because of the same situation.

Adam Rain is someone who ~ committed
suicide because

of conversations with Chat GPT.

Now, I say because of.

OpenAI claims that they don't they deny
the allegations that is to blame for it.

And yes, you could maybe point to other
factors,

but there are also cases in Canada.

And the fact remains, ChatGPT told these
teenagers things that likely affected
their

mental state, even to the point of
possibly giving instructions,

which is seems particularly heinous.

Now, in here, in those cases with ChatGPT
and OpenAI.

No one is asking for a ban on ChatGPT.

What they are asking for is for ChatGPT to
do more to protect teens from this

kind of content and information,

even if they are looking for it.

And they put the oneness on OpenAI because
I think people understand,

~ this is ChatGPT. They have control.

OpenAI has control of their platform.

They can do something about it.

And that is the feeling that I have.

And I think you share, and you can tell me
in a second,

that is the feeling I would like to
attribute to Meta and to Google

and to the platforms that are creating an
environment that includes harassment

and includes bullying. And it's not that
we are in favor of these platforms

and we want teenagers to have unfettered
access.

I think the owners should be on the
platforms to put levers,

controls, adjust algorithms to make it a
safer place.

And one example could be on Instagram for
teenagers under a certain age,

put this in the parental controls,

which Instagram has done better at its
parental controls.

I have I use them to say comments are off.

You have just no comments on posts or
reels.

Maybe turn off DMs. And you there are
controls for that now where you,

you know, teenagers can either not DM or
only DM contacts that parents approve.

Do things like that to make these
platforms safer.

Because it is the platf I feel it should
be the platform's responsibility

who makes this environment to be
responsible for this environment,

rather than an age verification that then
dictates who can use these platforms.

And I just wanted to be clear,

like there are very unfortunate,

sad situations, there are tragedies
related to the effects of these platforms.

And I think we should be pointing our
fingers and eyes at those in control

of the platforms themselves.

rather than using a government ban to just
restrict total access.

And I just want it to be clear on

Yeah, I think you are very clear.

And I think that the the problem is that

I think that this I think that this ban is
a bad idea.

But it's not because I think 16 or 15 or
14 year olds using social media

is a good idea. Right? That's not the same
thing.

Right. Right. Right.

~ and I also don't think I also think that
any of these cases that that

you described are a tragedy. I I believe
that that

the platforms in those cases well,

I shouldn't say I don't know the facts of
all of them.

I think there are many cases where the
platform should be liable.

Right. We saw the scenario where Mark
Zuckerberg was before Congress and there

was a whole bunch of moms and parents who
were there and he

was given the opportunity to turn around
and like apologize to those people

and he just he just couldn't even bring
himself to find the words to

do that because they cannot admit any
liability in any of these things,

which I understand they're trillion dollar
companies and they they whatever.

But the the thing is you made the product
this way.

You made the product. The problem is not
the age of the people using it,

it's what they're exposed to.

And that is a problem that could be solved
without the government dictating these

things. And even in the case of the person
who said,

like, I think that it's like I would be in
favor of this because then

I wouldn't get picked up, which I think is
totally valid.

I'm not, I'm not taking issue.

The thing is, that is a bel that that is

a very narrow view of of solving one
problem,

but introducing a much bigger problem,

which is the government stepping in and
saying

We have to verify ages of everyone who's
using these devices.

Because when you start to play that out,

what does that actually mean? It's like,

no, I don't want the government involved
in that.

Nope, nope, nope. Don't do what I'm not
uploading my bank statements just

to use Instagram. I'm not, I don't want to
do face ID and I don't want

to upload my driver's license.

I don't want to have to do these things.

And that is the logical conclusion,

which is again what we said last week.

I did not say that this law requires a
federal database of IDs.

Although I promise you, every government
in the world would love a

a database of IDs. Like they would love
that.

Like I promise you.

Sure, sure. Yeah.

Ask

just ask them. They probably will even say
it.

It's fine. But I think that it is it is
there if this is a problem that

is very serious and needs to be solved.

The easiest way to solve it is to hold the
platforms accountable

for what's happening.

That, that. And to be clear, in the case
of ChatGPT and Adam Rain,

ChatGPT there are chat logs that are part
of the case that have come out,

and ChatGPT actively discouraged him from
seeking mental help,

offered to help him write a note to leave,

and advised him on instructions of of what
to do.

That is horrible. That is horrible and

While you can't point to a person and say,

You wrote these words and sent it to this
teenager,

it is clearly the product, Chat GPT,

that was did not have the proper
safeguards to to help this person,

to encourage him to seek mental health.

Like the fact that it discouraged him to
seek mental health is is abhorrent.

And I think that is while the hardest
example,

if you look at Instagram or TikTok.

you have much more surface level examples
of that.

Might maybe it is bowling from person to
person,

kid to kid, teenager to teenager.

But just the kind of content that is
promoted.

Like the algorithm is not a black box to
the platforms.

The platforms it sh sh sure.

I mean, it kind of is actually.

Just to be honest, they don't actually
know

how the and that is the problem.

You can put safeguards, but you cannot
literally hard code every possible
scenario

of what now I'm not saying that gives them
an escape from the liability.

I'm simply saying this is what you built.

You built a thing that you have no idea
what it's gonna do in every situation.

True.

Although, ironically, if you go to the
Instagram reels page,

there is now a your algorithm section.

And you can go and actually tell it topics
you are interested in or not,

and it will tweak the algorithm.

Now, to your point, that's not gonna
dictate every reel that comes your

way because there's millions of them and
whatever.

But surely Meta could say for accounts
eighteen and under.

Don't index so hard on these topics,

be it violence, be it discrimination,

all of those things. Like we need to crank
that to zero as much as possible.

And that's something I think I imagine the
platforms have control over.

And tangentially related, the last thing
I'll say,

a Patreon CEO, Jack Conti,

he was on the decoder episode earlier this
week.

I'm gonna link it in my top five tech
episode because

He really speaks eloquently about the
failings of social media over

the last ten years. Not just the bullying
and,

you know, bad content or whatever,

but also the things that you wouldn't say
should be outlawed,

but the polarization that social media
fosters just amongst people

and amongst their thinking and how they
approach certain topics.

It has largely failed people and

has molded the way they think in in not
great ways.

And those are maybe not as dangerous as
some of the cases that we've talked about

just now, but are still hurtful and and
have a negative impact

on society and people. And so all that to
say,

we are not super supportive of the social
platforms.

Like we are not defending them.

~ but we just I think are trying to offer
maybe there's other ways.

to protect teenagers, to guard them
against certain content,

and maybe an age verification is not the
best way to do that.

Yeah, I don't think young teenagers should
be using social media

and that's the policy I've implemented in
my own home with my own children.

I also don't think the government should
be placing a ban on everyone under

the age of sixteen because the only way to
enforce that is to check everyone's age.

Yeah, exactly. All right, well let's talk
about something not even related,

but personal tech prime day.

It is prime day.

I don't know. I just realized it was Prime
Day and I was like,

it's Prime Day.

I've been posting prime day stuff.

You can get AirPods Max for four hundred
dollars,

the cheapest they've ever been.

That's cool.

Yeah. I think that's a

great deal for AirPods Max. And AirPods
Pro are on sale for seventy dollars off
too,

I think.

That's

it. I do you have an iPad mini?

I have a previous gen. I I am tempted
because it's a little bit long

Yes. Yes.

in the tooth and it also has this problem
where like basically if

you leave it sitting out for more than
seventeen hours,

it just drains and dies. Yeah.

It just dies.

I was well, here's the thing. I posted
that the iPad mini was on sale.

It's four hundred dollars right now for
the base iPad mini,

which is the cheapest I think iPad mini
you can get ever.

And I I was tempted by it. I bought it.

And then I canceled it. Because after I
bought it,

Mm.

I was like, what am I gonna do with this
thing?

Ooh, see I use mine all the time because
mine has cellular.

For what? Yeah.

And the single biggest reason I didn't
want to up that it was holding

me back is that I was using Google Fi and
it doesn't support e sim on those devices.

Google Fi supports ESIM, but it just
doesn't support it on those

Not on the iPad.

div extra devices and I switched to Mint
Mobile.

This is not a net. Not an ad. Yes.

No, it's not. But it is cheaper and it's T

Mobile. And it's like ~ I mean it just
uses T Mobile service,

is what I'm trying to say, which also
Google Fi does.

And it works. And so I did switch to that.

And the only downside is it's to pay like
a year,

but that's fine. I don't have to think
about it for a year now,

basically, of of service on it.

And I wouldn't mu I wouldn't I'd be more
likely to buy the new one at that price

That's nice.

now because I could just move the service
to that.

Yeah.

But I use it

I sit at a lot of soccer games while
people are warming up waiting.

~ sure.

I sit in a lot of cars waiting for stuff.

Being able to just pull out a little iPad
mini,

do a couple things, read stuff,

play a game of chess, watch a video,

Hmm.

whatever. It's like it's it's pretty nice.

In fact, if it had a better screen,

I'd probably leave the iPad Pro at home.

See, that's the thing.

See, and a bunch of people were saying,

like, new iPad mini is gonna come out this
fall,

don't buy it now. I'm like, I don't know.

iPad mini goes like eighteen years between
releases,

Yeah. Right.

so I don't I don't know about that.

Side note I will say you've we mentioned
chess.com.

I think we I think we talked about it in
the pre show and you just mentioned

it again now. Someone on the chess dot com
team actually listens to the show.

They're actually on the marketing team of
chess dot com.

I just wanna throw that out there.

That's that's pretty cool. Anyway,

I'll put a link to the Prime Day deal.

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so don't worry about that. For my
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but that there are some good deals.

There's a lot of great charger deals and
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And so I'll I'll put a link to that in the
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But we're gonna go talk about headphones
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One of them, Jason says, has always been
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