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Welcome to Primary Technology,

the show about the tech news that matters.

We're here live at WWDC in the Apple Park
Podcast Studio.

We're gonna go through all the
announcements,

and it's great because this is a
well-considered take,

not just a hot take, because I've been
playing with all the betas.

Jason's got the betas on there.

So let's get right into it. This episode
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One of your hosts, Steven Robles,

joined as always by my friend Jason ATN.

How's it going, Jason?

I'm I'm good. This is fun.

good.

This is fun. I today's quote was brought
to you by Siri AI.

Do you know what movie that's from?

Well, I don't remember any movie where
Siri A AI says stuff.

I think it was from p from ~ what what was
Pennyworth?

Well it is not

what bad I don't know which one.

It was you nailed it, yes, you nailed it
again

Batman Begins maybe? Okay.

for our dub dub episode. That was Batman
McGins.

I I'm gonna be showing several Siri AI
conversations because spoiler,

it's actually pretty good. but yeah,

they actually got that quote from Siri AI.

So real quick, five star reviews,

JD stores from the USA updated their
review to five stars.

Thank you for that. Mendosi from
Australia,

inspired by crazy stories of vibe coding
and tried it themselves.

We're gonna talk about some vibe coding
and vibe extensions in a minute.

But Jason, we're here, we did it.

How many devices are running the beta for
you?

Tell me.

well technically you're there and I'm
here,

but that's cool. ~ I have three devices
right now running the beta,

Well, you know.

an iPhone Air, a MacBook Neo, and the
Vision Pro.

So I've been playing around with all of
the twenty sevens.

Same. I will say Vision. You you're doing
your five Vision Pro,

right? With the beta. I will say even my
two Vision Pro,

Yes.

I updated straight to the beta.

Much better experience, which is kind of
the theme of the keynote and the event.

We're gonna talk about some of the
improvements that Apple has done,

but Wi Fi connected faster, the Vision Pro
just in general felt faster.

And I'm ~ I'm bullish, I'm optimistic
about the the improvements.

Do you notice anything?

I'm just

gonna s I'm just gonna say on my Vision
Pro,

I'm so glad that I've been taking
panoramic photos because I took

a panoramic photo in twenty fourteen of
Comerica Park at a Tigers game and

it is now my environment that I work in.

And it is amazing that you can now do
that.

That was the that is the best feature in
the new Vision OS.

I actually took a panoramic the morning of
the keynote looking out into the ring,

~ just during the breakfast area,

which last year I did not make it up to
the media breakfast.

I didn't realize like I missed that whole
thing.

I was always I was on the first floor,

which I guess is like developer breakfast.

I actually made it up to the third floor
and and did a panoramic and made that into

an environment in Vision Pro and it is
incredible.

And so now I'm wish I had taken more
panoramas for years,

It is.

but I will be starting right now.

Yep. Yes.

Because it is

it's impressive because it's not just you
know,

there was the feature where you can expand
a panoramic Envision Pro

and look around a little bit, but this
makes it a spatial scene

and then an environment. And in my
panoramic of Apple Park,

like you could look down and see like
picnic tables and the depth

of those versus the the rainbow stage in
the distance.

I mean it i it's truly impressive.

It was fun. What's your f what's your
favorite personal panoramic environment?

Agree.

personal do you mean of my that I of my
own?

Of your panoramas. Yeah, yeah.

Well like the Comerica Park is pretty
cool.

Also I have a bunch of panoramas from we
went to Alaska four or five years

ago and those are just incredible.

It's like basically the things that Apple
has already put in there as panoramas,

yes.

only they're they're places I've been,

right? Like I it's awesome.

Yeah, right, exactly.

Side note, ~ learned yesterday you can
have thirty four total environments from
your

panorama images.

Thirty four. Okay. I think I have
seventeen

I put in there. I like all the good
panoramas I put in there and

Yeah. Someone

I just started yeah, it's great.

someone actually said that number
yesterday,

so in case you're so I thought we could
break down all the announcements into
three.

And I mean I've been playing with them
with several several days.

You know, the system improvements,

I think there's some hidden agents and
foldable hints in some of the features,

Siri AI, and then the parental controls I
want to cover at the

end because that's actually pretty
significant.

You know, we both use screen time and
parental controls a lot.

But I thought it was interesting,

you know, the keynote I

Last night I stripped all silences from
the keynote.

And if you remove the intro and outro
music,

it's an hour and two minutes. So you
remove all the pauses waiting for Siri

AI to like do a response and one hour,

two minutes, flat, just from people
talking.

But and it was very different keynote,

obviously. You know, we've people have
talked about this,

but rather than go platform by platform,

it was very much here's everything coming
to everything.

And we're just gonna talk about all the
devices throughout.

Nothing, you know, little specific things
here and there.

So I don't know. How did that feel to you
when you were watching it?

Wha when

was the moment you realized it was gonna
be a very different keynote?

'Cause for me it was the moment where
Craig Federigi was like,

We you all just want to know the name so I
don't know what the name is,

but I have a note. I'm like, Hold on,

this is gonna be very different like as a
keynote.

The the Volkswagen

the Volkswagen bus was hilarious.

~ I thought I thought he was really being
serious about they're not gonna name macOS

anymore. ~ because I remember I heard the
ATP guys talking about that,

like maybe they won't do this forever.

And so I was like, no, this is like the
year,

but no, sure enough, we got Golden Gate as
the year.

I think when it was a little farther in,

when they sp spent more than 10 minutes on
the parental controls,

I was like, this is very different.

I've never heard this much about screen
time in a keynote.

Yeah.

but I was thankful for it and and I got
more details about that too.

also it felt like this was the year of
Apple is embracing like vibe coding.

I mean it obviously describe a shortcut,

which we can get into some details later.

It's basically like vibe coding a
shortcut.

There's the incredible new feature about
creating an extension,

just like a personal Safari extension,

just by describing it. And I put it in a
video I published just this morning.

Like I asked it for an extension that
tells me the image resolution.

Of something on a website when I tap it,

and the extension just works. And that was
on my phone.

That wasn't even on my Mac. And there's
agents in like passwords,

which can like ~ change your passwords if
it's a compromised without

you even going to the website.

So it just feels like there's so much
adoption of like vibe coding feeling
things

and agents. And I wanted to share one
picture I'm allowed to share,

those I'm pretty sure. in a briefing
right.

We're gonna find

out real soon if you're allowed to share
it.

As

I'm gonna be rushed at the stage.

All 18 people in this room are just gonna
tackle me.

But there was a kind of an AI area where
they showed

off AI and different things. They had the
draw things app,

they had shortcuts, but LM Studio,

the makers of LM Studio, which is a Mac
app that allows you to use local models,

they had the setup at this table,

four Mac Studios maxed out,

so like 500 gigabytes of unified memory
each,

which

I don't think they even sell that Mac
Studio anymore because it's,

you know, constraints. But this thing had
two terabytes

of unified memory collectively.

They had them in a not a RAID,

but you know what I mean, all collective
talking to each other,

a node. And they were just showing off
local LLMs doing things like coding

and annotating images and doing all these
things locally and models using models.

It just fera it felt very much like Apple
is embracing this.

And I thought back to like two or three
years ago.

It was rare to hear Apple say AI in
general.

It was everything was machine learning,

maybe L L ~ but AI wasn't anything until
Apple intelligence and then that's what

it stood for. But now it's very much I
mean Siri,

literally the name is AI. So I don't know.

Did you get that vibe too?

Well, I think I mean, yes, I think also
this is a thing we know that these

L LMs are good at. Right? Th like they're
good at coding and they are good

at that sort of thing. I'll be real
interested in like after you've had more
time

to play with the shortcuts, how what those
limitations are because they're

not like there are still they don't know
all of the possible things.

Like I remember listening to Vitici talk
about how he built

whatever thing he built, like the CTL for
s for shortcuts or whatever he did.

Like he had to like spend all of that time
just trying things

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

and then reinforcement learning and then
figuring out where the edges are.

So I'll be interested like in what you
think about that.

But yeah, this is the thing that they're
good at.

And along with that, they make those
features more accessible

to more people because the number like

No one that I know except for you like you
bring the average way up because

no one I know does shortcuts at all.

But if I can count if I count you,

Yeah.

everyone I know does a million shortcuts
because you do like a trillion.

But most people don't. And the reason is
they just it requires them

Sure, sure.

to get their brain into a frame of mind of
like,

yeah, I know I want to do a thing and
maybe my phone could do it,

but I don't know where to start.

Being able to start by typing the words
into the thing,

like that's a huge, huge win.

Yeah.

Yeah, and that was rumored, it came true.

A bunch of people on social media were
like,

no, do you have a job anymore?

I think this is more exciting because one,

it's gonna open up shortcuts to way more
people.

People who are intimidated at first,

who didn't know anything about building a
shortcut,

they're gonna try it for the first time.

And then if it does it even close to good,

they're gonna wanna know more and they're
gonna want more shortcuts.

So I think it's good. It's nice that we're
recording kind of midweek

now because I've now heard lots of
stories,

gotten to talk to people.

And just as a side note on the describe a
shortcut,

~ Vitici, I've been talking to him all
week,

and he had been trying to do describe a
shortcuts with very long prompts because

typically with other LLMs, you would want
to do a very verbose,

detailed, complex request. And he was ~
struggling.

Like the shortcuts would struggle to build
those things.

But I after I heard that, ~ I talked to
someone and they said,

actually just tell it what you want,

like tell it the end result, and you'll
probably get a better shortcut.

And sure enough, I actually went back and
one of the things I wasn't sure

if it would be able to do was use external
APIs and build the get contents

of URL in the shortcut and actually get it
all right.

But I was like, all right, well,

let me give it kind of a brief just tell
me what I what tell it wants what I want.

And I asked it, build a shortcut that uses
the OpenAI API where I can

ask a question and then just show me the
result.

And that was it. Like that was the entire
prompt.

And

If you know, or if you've seen my shortcut
that does that,

there's lots of embedded dictionaries and
there's complex like JSON that

you have to pull from the API result.

And JSON, it did it. And it built the
shortcut,

it got everything right in the get
consensive URL.

I asked it a second time to do it with the
Anthropic API,

and it got that right as well.

And so I think ~ I'm even more bullish
now.

After trying it several times.

When it comes to super long, like multiple
if statements,

one of the new features in shortcuts is
like else if.

So rather than having to embed multiple if
statements,

you'll be able to do like otherwise if.

I'm excited about it. So

Hmm. Yeah. And I

was just happy that I got both of the
things I wanted.

Wha what were the two things you wanted?

You don't even remember we did this whole
long pre show.

I don't remember

There's only two things that I one is that
developers would have have access

to the off device models, right?

Right.

The developers would be able to use
private cloud compute,

huge thing, and that they would finally
have figured out the app intents.

So the developers can link into Siri.

Yes. Yes.

And both of those things happened.

And as somebody with an app in the app
store that was waiting for both

of those things to happen, I'm so excited.

That's right. That's right.

In fact, I got emails like an hour and a
half after the keynote.

They're like, Hey, when you if w if you're
done with this,

could I get on the

The beta and I'm like, dude, like I
haven't even written an article about
this.

I haven't changed the app at all.

Like I haven't even downloaded X Code
twenty seven yet.

Yeah.

Come on.

I

need I need to find out how to integrate
Apple intelligence into

my coffee finder app that all it does is
find coffee shops near you.

But no, I'm not gonna do that.

All right. So let's talk about system
improvements.

they started the keynote with this.

There was the wall of 263,

I believe, items. And I'm gonna link in
the show notes.

Basic Apple guy, friend of the show.

He actually took the whole wall of text
and actually made

A bullet pointed list, numbered list.

I actually opened this in one of my
meetings this week to be like,

let me ask about this. What is this?

And ~ so there's 263 total improv system
improvements.

And I actually heard from someone inside,

like they said snow leopard. And so that
snow leopard update that so many

of us have been hoping for, asking for,

like this is it. ~ I think even
internally,

this is something that that's how they
view it.

And

Promoting the beta, like this has been the
most stable beta.

Like I went through this whole rigmarole,

Jason, if you remember of like doing
another partition on my Mac

to install the beta. You remember all
that?

Yeah. yeah. Totally remember that
conversation.

Well,

last night I said screw it. And I just put
it on my main MacBook Air,

my main account. I'm using it right now to
like do the riverside

and share the screen. And it's great.

it's real and it's wonderful. And

the system improvements are clear.

You know, a lot of them like airdrop being
80% faster.

And not just the transfer speed,

we heard that it's going to be like the
people showing up in the share sheet when

you start airdrop. That's going to be
faster.

The actual like reliability of seeing
people,

like everything has been improved.

We talked about Vision Pro, the Wi-Fi
speed,

Wi-Fi and cellular handoff. So like when
you're leaving your house

and your iPhone is still like hanging on
by a thread to your Wi-Fi

and just refuses to let go.

All of all of that is gonna get better.

The messages sync where the counter and
badge might not be in sync across like
your

iPhone and your iPad, that's supposed to
get better.

And all I mean, I just already feel all
those improvements,

and so I'm excited they actually they did
it.

Like they did the thing. They spent a year
just doing like all the improvements.

And from what I've seen, even on my iPad,

I installed the beta on my iPad,

my MacBook Air, my iPhone Air,

and the Vision Pro. And I've had one app,

ShareShot, which I love ShareShot.

That app doesn't open right now.

That's like the one issue that I've found
so far.

But everything has been solid.

I mean, how has it felt to you?

on the iPhone I think it's been great.

That's the one I've had it on the longest.

I did that immediately. And there there's
a couple of random things.

I'm still on the waiting list for the new
series.

I'm a little g getting a little bit so
that means you are obviously

still?

not on the waiting list anymore for the
new series.

we're gonna do Siri in real time right
here,

Jason. I got my Siri app and I'm gonna
screen share it in a second.

If it's not if it wasn't bad enough that
you just have to sit there

and gloat because you're sitting in Apple
Park,

you're gonna also just gloat about the
fact that you have it.

Jason, I wish I wish you were here.

No, it's great. It's great. I've been
there.

I wish you were here.

I got I got there first. It's all good.

I know, I know Wow, okay.

Anyway,

Okay, a little jab in there. That's good,

that's good.

no, but it's been great on the Mac.

All the things that they fixed,

it's it's amazing to me how many things
that they fixed seemingly

in response to feedback, which is a good
thing.

Yeah.

It does also seem a little bit
uncharacteristic from what we've what
we've

exp like experienced in the past.

Not that Apple doesn't listen to to its
users,

but it doesn't s I haven't other than the
Safari couple years ago with the tab bar,

like how that all worked on the phone,

the tabor, yeah.

which they which they walked back before
the betas were before they shipped

the main version, right? But we don't
typically see that kind of thing.

That is true. Right, right.

And I mean, even stuff like now the
sidebars in Mac OS Finder.

Right.

They've

gone back. Like all that stuff.

So I'm very happy with

They made very clear ~ in several meetings
that they listened to users.

They even mentioned social media as
something that they looked at for
feedback,

that they listened to developers and
users.

And so they made it very clear,

even at the tech t the tech talk,

which after the keynote, there was a small
group of us that got to

go to like another theater, and you
probably saw lots of clips and

and videos of that. ~ it was really
interesting because Craig Frederiki

he did a lengthy explanation and we were
allowed to record the audio.

So I did that.

I didn't get a chance to like transcribe
and actually I needed to learn more about

the behind the scenes of Siri AI and the
LLM.

But there were a couple things he made
very clear.

It was one, like we heard users and
feedback,

and this is a response to that.

And two, Siri AI is not Gemini.

Like if there was one thing he was trying
to make clear,

Yeah.

is he spent 20 minutes with like multiple
diagrams on screen talking about

how we use Gemini foundation models,

but you know, to do something with Apple
AI,

it's unclear like if

Did Apple distill Gemini models?

Is it like meshed it together somehow?

Like it's it's unclear to me at least how
the technical side works on that.

But he said even during that tech talk,

like it's not Gemini. Like when you ask
Siri AI something,

it is not Gemini, it's not doing that.

And even just so much as like we send as
little information up to the cloud when

you make a request as possible.

And so I need to do more data and digging
into that.

But it was to all that to say very clear
that user feedback.

was listen to things like the corner
radii.

You know, they even said, like,

Yeah.

we heard from you about corner radii and
we we fixed that.

We also got not maybe it's an improv not a
fix,

but 4K home kit secure video camera ~
recording.

That's been amazing. That's I think it's
been like six years.

I texted you as soon I was like,

Did they just say the thing you've been
asking for?

It's been six years and then we finally
got it.

~ we didn't get pan and tilt controls in
the home app,

but one step at a time, you know,

we don't move too fast. Baby steps.

Baby stuff.

but but I'm excited for the for the
improvements there.

across the platforms. And before we get to
some of like the hidden agent stuff,

a lot of people have been posting on
social media about hints in the

new betas about foldable rumors.

You know, the rumor is that the iPhone
fold is going come this year.

And there's two pretty distinct things.

One, an iPhone app on the iPad.

If you install an app on the iPad and it
just has an iPhone version,

there's no more like the 1x2X,

you just blow up the iPhone app.

You can actually reformat the app onto the
iPad screen,

which is which is wild. And then for
iPhone mirroring,

this is even more crazy.

If you iPhone mirror in the iOS twenty
seven betas from your iPhone to your Mac,

you can now expand that iPhone mirroring
window and the app will format larger.

Like whatever app you're looking at,

Yeah.

it will format like a mini tablet and it's
like,

All right, we we all see what you're doing
here,

guys. I mean, do you think I mean this
year?

I mean, is it you think so?

I that's what the rumors are. I I gotta be
careful 'cause I don't I don't want

no, yeah.

the bouncers to come and attack you.

that's very true. Yeah, that's very true.

But I but I think I mean that it it would
make sense that that

No, thank you for that

you would start incorporating those
features now if what you were going

to do is release it this fall.

Right? It doesn't make sense to have those
features incorporated if you're

Right.

not going to release it until next year.

And there's yeah, and there's even
developer tools.

I forget what the app is called,

but where you can like preview your app
and all the different devices

in this one window thing, and it does the
same thing,

you know, expand the window. ~ but before
we get to Siri AI,

so I feel like hidden agents are an
interesting point here.

I mentioned it before, but like the create
and extension in Safari,

but there's also this amazing feature.

I I signed up for changedetection.io and
set up an elaborate like push-cut

automation to do what Apple released as a
feature this week,

which is

Notify me in Safari. Or if you're on a web
page,

like of the Unified Travel Router,

which I'm gonna talk about for like two
minutes at the end of this episode because

I love it and it's amazing. But if you if
you want to be notified when it's back

Ha ha ha.

in stock, it's now just a built-in
feature.

You tap the extension area in Safari in
the address bar,

you can say notify me, tell it the change
you want to be notified.

This could be for price drops or changes
for out-of-stock notifications,

and then you'll get a notification.

It can check hourly.

I believe or daily. I'm sorry.

I think it checks daily. So it can't be
like every 30 minutes look at this price

if it's like a really in-demand item.

But you can do the notify me. And someone
I asked,

you can it even works if Safari is closed.

So it's unclear like is that living in the
cloud?

Like how is that notification working?

But it doesn't sync to your other devices.

So if you set up a notify me in Safari on
your iPhone,

you won't get the notification on your
Mac.

It is kind of locked to the device,

which is interesting.

But that feels like an agent, like working
on your behalf.

The passwords that I talked about,

where the passwords apple just go out and
fix your passwords,

navigate those websites behind the scenes
without you even having to go to it,

that feels wild. And a lot of the image
tools feels not agentic,

but you just see more and more of the
generative thing,

which there were mixed emotions about
that,

I feel like, when the photo stuff came up.

You know, we've had cleanup since ~ Apple
Intelligence launched two years ago,

but now we have the extend.

For a photo and even the reframing.

And I've messed around with that.

I Kanoopsi for the first time.

He was here, great YouTube channel.

I followed him for years. And so we were
playing around with the perspective thing.

And, you know, it's generating stuff.

Like if you change the perspective on an
image and there was something

in the background, and more of it needs to
be seen,

like a plant, it's gonna generate more
plant.

And so this is generative fill or
generative AI.

And I asked a question ~ in one of the
meetings,

and I said, like,

When I changed the perspective,

one of the things they said you can like
the eyes,

if someone wasn't looking into the camera,

you can change the perspective slightly
and have the subject looking into the
lens.

And I was like, Well, okay. If you do
that,

are you like generating eyes? Like are you
generating pixels?

Yeah.

So it's looking at the camera?

And the answer was very, well,

we're really pixels. Basically like pixels
and stuff,

and they're moving.

And ~ it's not you know, they didn't want
to say it was like generating

it out of whole cloth. So it's an
interesting line they're trying to

I think they're trying to distance
themselves from like Google and Samsung,

which is like put a hot air balloon behind
me in this picture,

and making adjustments versus creation.

But anyway, I just said a lot of things,

but but give me your thoughts.

So I d I played around with this.

I took a photo that I took when I was in
Montreal in the pit.

Whoops, hold on. Let me see if I can get
it.

So this is the original picture.

I like I like you squinting.

And then this was the new one,

which is funny because there's a bicycle
in front of the Ferrari garage,

which is not there. There's no bicycle
there.

And okay. Okay. Really?

But it's like, so this is the original
one.

And then it goes to the new one.

Yeah.

So like it it knew the pit lane thing,

so it fixed that.

Right. So and then it but it just
generated all this stuff over there,

which was clearly not there because that's
the Ferrari garage.

There's a car in there. And it put like a
bicycle there.

It's so but that's but the point is,

Interesting.

it did a good everything it put in there
looks pretty decent.

It just didn't know that like the reason I
picked this photo is I'm like,

is it gonna draw from the context of where
I'm at and figure out what should

be there? Or is it only looking at the
pixels right next to it and going,

just extend?

Right. And it seems like it did the
latter.

Well, I'm going to do something probably
ill advised and try to do

an extend picture live here on the show.

So I also got to meet I also got to meet
Bridget Carey from CNIT,

Okay.

who's awesome. And for this one,

I when I first did extend, I did this the
other day and it like gave

us more arms and torso. So I'm curious ~
what it's gonna do here.

But

Well and to be clear,

mine was actually a reframe, but if you
reframe a photo,

it has to do extend as well because you
are like distorting the viewpoint

Right.

and then to make it a square photo it has
to fill that in somehow.

Right. And so let me ~ let me adjust the
crop here and extend this.

The few times I've done it, like it's been
genuinely impressive,

like what it's doing, how well it will
like with the Canoopsi photo I took,

the plant that was behind them got
generated as like a full plant,

and it was really good. And in the
original you could only see like a couple
leaves.

Sure.

~ but it's interesting,

you know, how far you'll be able to push
this.

We'll have to do more testing over the
summer.

Like how much can I generate from a thing?

And you can always bring these photos into
image playgrounds and add stuff.

But as you can see here, now I can't
remember if that guy was in the was that

guy in the original image? I'm not sure.

But

If you click

on it, doesn't it sh doesn't it ~ does it
give you the option?

For the extend

for the extend one, ~ I'm gonna reset the
extend so we can see the original,

but you can see like Bridget's arm got
longer and it added more arm for me.

Like so I'm like holding the camera
farther away.

Yeah.

And if I go back, you know, you can see
that that wasn't I don't think that

guy was there. I think it definitely it
definitely put a guy there.

No, I don't think so. Unless they know
something you don't know.

Now wait a minute. Yeah.

So it it's interesting and I've heard I
saw people on social media,

you know, saying this is like AI slop and
stuff.

You tell me, Jason. I I personally don't
put this in the same category

as like in one of the briefings,

draw things was like creating a video of a
polar bear or some bear like

talking. I'm like, okay, that's generative
AI.

If you want to put something in AI slap
category,

like that's that. I don't put this in the
AI slap category personally,

but I understand it's like a fine
distinction.

But what what do you

I don't think it's

no, don't think that's a fine distinction.

I don't think this is slop. Because I
think AI slop that you know me,

Right.

I'm a word person. I get very fixated on
the exact definite.

Yeah.

But I think what people mean by AI slop is
a thing that's not real at

all that only exists for the purpose of s
shoving content in our faces.

It's just like it it it's the a it's the
content version of all of

the alphabet soup products you find on
Amazon.

Remember when we had these conversations
about like,

Mm, yes, yes. ~

does this product even real?

It's just a bunch of gibberish words and a
bunch of AI generated

so yes.

photos. That's slop. This is you can still
have feelings about whether

we should be doing this or not doing this
or whatever.

But what's essentially happening is like
it is you you can already

do this in Photoshop. You can pull up an
image in Photoshop and

j use generative fill and be like,

do this to the photo. I don't know,

Right, right.

like as a photographer, I mean I did the
test to see what would happen.

I I don't I don't

think that this is a good I always have a
problem Steven when we give people

a solution that makes it easier for them
to just do a dumb thing in the first
place,

Sure.

which is like, well just look at your
photo before you take it.

Are you like there are some scenarios
where you're in a rush and you want

Yeah.

to fix something later, but also just take
a beat.

Think a little bit more about the photo
and take it.

Well

well a a counterpoint to that,

I did not have a beat when I was trying to
take a selfie with John Turnus,

but I'm also not gonna open that picture
right now in Apple Park and

try to extend it. I feel like then I might
get I might get rushed.

The stage might get rushed.

But also you

that's the most important photo you've
ever taken of yourself,

Steven. So I feel like it was worth taking
making sure you get it right.

Well

it might have been my last opportun you
you never know if it's your last

opportunity. Anyway.

And though that photo

if you were to extend it or reframe it or
whatever,

it wouldn't have the same meaning to you.

True, but maybe I can change the
perspective so he's actually looking at
the camera.

You know what I mean instead of the
screen.

But anyway, they're hard.

So and eye eyes are the hardest thing for
AI to d to get right.

They're hard. They're hard. All right,

So

let's talk about Siri AI. So in the tech
talk after the keynote,

Mike Rockwell was there along with Craig
Federighi and others.

And what was impressive, it's it was live
demos on stage.

And I think it was a warm-up or maybe like
practice run for maybe doing more

of this, because

We'll talk about the demos that were
during the keynote,

which you wrote a great piece about.

We'll put in the show notes. But to see
the demo on stage,

so that tech talk, I mean, Mike Rockwell
was making requests in real time.

We saw the iPhone on the screen and it was
just doing stuff.

Like he was he was making requests,

asking it to do personal context stuff.

And I think the bottom line is like they
did it.

Like they fixed the thing. The all the
promises from two years

ago about personal context, being able to
ask what time I need to leave

to pick up my mom from the airport and be
able to get to my kids.

thing in time, it all works. I have some
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in a second with the Siri app personally.

But you wrote the article watching it wait
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for them to to communicate that this

is as real as possible. Right.

And I so I think that by l le the
temptation is when you're going through a
demo.

imagine first of all how short the demo
would have been.

You to you already told us like the whole
th there was an i there

was a time advantage. They filled some
time.

But I think what they were trying to do is
establish credibility and that

the the messiness of the process not that
the process was broken,

but just like we all know that this sort
of thing takes time.

And so if it didn't take time in the demo,

you become you're over promising again.

And so I just think that by giving it the
time,

letting us watch it wait, let us see it
was the next best thing

to actually doing those demos live in
person.

Right. And I actually think it was really
smart the way they had the split screen,

so that it was very clear that you were
watching a person talk to you

and then you were seeing the phone in
their hand.

And actually

It had to have been so hard to hold the
phones at that awkward angle

so that the camera that was over their
shoulder could get it.

Like that must have been torture to do
this.

Yeah. Yes.

But I think that that was that was the
smartest thing about the entire keynote

was if we're going to demo this,

Yes.

the thing they knew that was true was that
they made a lot of promises

two years ago, many of which they couldn't
deliver on.

And so they needed to not overpromise.

And the way that you communicate that
you're not overpromising is you just show
your

work and let people watch it.

That's that's a show your work is great.

And during a lot of we had opportunities
to like capture content on camera

as like content creators, basically of of
people at Apple doing Siri AI,

doing c and we could film it. And just to
the angle of having to hold a phone,

I have so much so much video of someone's
wrist like cocked at like

a eighty degree angle, trying to get you
know,

no reflections, try to make sure nothing
weird is in the background and also

you can film it while they talk to it.

It's

Kudos to all the people who ~ were doing
those briefings and like holding phones

They're all gonna need physical therapy
now.

and like, everyone has a carpal tunnel.

Right?

Everyone has an RSI. ~ but one thing that
was rumored and we did

get was the dedicated Siri app.

And I've been playing around with this.

We we debated a little bit before all this
keynote stuff about does

it need a dedicated app or whatever.

I am a hundred percent glad it is here.

One, because now I can go back and show
you all.

And I know I'm t I'm talking about a lot
of visuals this week.

I apologize. Go watch in Apple Podcast,

Spotify, or YouTube just to see some of
these visuals live ~ as we do it.

I also I'll link my YouTube videos in the
show notes to watch.

But I can go back to my very first ~
request of Siri AI,

which was how many R's are in the word
strawberry?

Jason Agata right, it nailed it.

It nailed how many R's are the word
strawberry.

And I also asked it, ~ I guess this one

Wasn't saved, but I asked it the car wash
question.

no, I pinned it up here. You can pin
conversations in the Siri AI app.

And I said, I have to wash my car.

Should I either walk to the car wash or
take my car?

And this was a meme where a lot of other
AI apps were like,

Well, if it's a nice day, you should walk.

And it's like the point is car wash.

And the AIs would miss that whole point.

To Siri AI's credit, you should definitely
take your car.

Walking to the car wash wouldn't be very
helpful if your goal is

to wash the vehicle. Siri's got a little ~
got a little sarcasm.

I kind of like that.

I mean,

let's be honest. This is the most famous
gaff of of the ChatGPT era.

Yes.

There's no way someone's job was not to be
like,

we have to get this one right.

You you think someone like hard coded this
response?

I I bet you every single one of them has
this now hard coded.

It's just like if someone asks.

Mmm, that's probably true. That's probably
true.

But ~ the Siri app is great. And one of
the things,

~ I think the promise of two years ago,

personal context. I was at the live show,

live talk show last night. John Gruber,

his guests were Joanna Stern and Neeli
again.

And Joanna was talking about she's been
using,

she used personal context several times,

real world scenarios already, because she
just asked her iPhone,

what time did John tell me I needed to be
there tonight?

Not very much context in the request and
it still nailed her ~ the

got the answer right. It got the answer
right.

And so I just got off the wait list
yesterday,

so I haven't had that long to test it out.

But I did want to show a couple examples.

One, my son texted me the other day,

he had a job interview, and I wanted to
know how it went.

Now, for context, I have two sons,

I have three kids, and the only thing that
I asked Siri AI.

My full request was what did my son say
about his job interview?

And after a couple seconds, personal
context came through and Siri said,

Your son, Jordan. So it actually named the
son.

I didn't specify which son it was.

Said his interview at the New Dance Studio
went well,

and it sounds like he might have the job.

He also mentioned that he was invited to
teach a master class there after

his July trip. Congratulations,

Jordan, by the way, because that's
awesome.

I was really happy for him. But it pulled
it it did it.

Like it pulled it up. I asked the general
question and it got it right answer.

And then one other personal ~ request,

I asked ~ what did Andrew when did Andrew
say he was arriving at Wubdub?

Again, I did no last name, no further
context.

I was talking about Andrew Clare.

I got to spend a lot of time with him this
week.

He helped me film some videos,

great YouTube channel. And he said he
mentioned he was planning to arrive early

on dubdub Friday night so he could spend
Saturday exploring San Francisco.

He also noted that he needed to be back
for work on Wednesday evening.

It like did all it's doing the things.

And what was wild too is

When, at least here on the betas,

this probably won't be the case once this
is public,

but when you do a request, there's like a
thumbs up,

thumbs down, and you can give feedback on
how well it did with the request and not.

And what's interesting is if you choose to
share that feedback with Apple

in the beta, it will show you all the
things it indexed for that request.

And so I did it for that text to about my
son Jordan and his job.

And it said, here's the Siri response,

the on-screen, here's the diagnostics,

20 mail messages. And I redacted something
because Jason,

this thing went back far. Like I saw some
email subjects and I was like,

I that was like a decade ago. But it
pulled messages,

text messages, mail, reminders,

notes, reading list items from Safari.

And it's just so clear that it's doing the
personal context thoroughly,

fully.

And one of the reasons why if you update
to the beta,

and this will be the case when everyone
gets it this fall,

it's going to take days to index.

I mean, I've had people updated to the
beta on Monday,

and it's still indexing now on Wednesday.

Like it's gonna index, index. And the
reason why it's taking so long,

too, is it has to do it on every device
because just like in the past,

Apple is preserving privacy and security.

And so it's not going to index on your
iPhone.

And then send that information index up to
the cloud and then back down

to your iPad. Your iPad has to index it,

your Vision, your Apple Vision Pro has to
index it,

your iPhone has to index it. And that's
time consuming and intensive

for your local device, but that's that
privacy and security that's built in.

And something that agents like Claude and
OpenAI can't say.

You know, they're like your information.

The reason why Claude on your iPhone knows
just about you about Claude

on your Mac is because all your stuff is.

In anthropic servers. It's in that data
center in Tennessee or whatever.

Like it's just there. And but it's like
it's impressive.

Like it's doing the things.

Yeah. And as someone who has been working
on this sort of a feature in an app,

like that the hardest part is figuring out
what is the information,

what is the scope of information that
needs to get fed into this in order

to find like what is the so what are the
sources parsing through that

in order to deliver a response.

And the tra challenge in the past has just
been as with

the 'cause Apple intelligence will do
that,

I can tell you. Like right now,

Apple intelligence itself is capable.

It's just that the context window is so
small.

That it was impossible for it to shove
enough information into that and

to get to get all that. But now what
they're able to do is they

can just literally take all of your
information and that with the semantic
index,

it's it only has to look at the what it
can quickly triage what's

the relevant information going back
infinity,

Right. Yeah, it did.

right? Like it's all anything that's been
indexed is just there.

It did. Yeah.

Yeah. And then it'll just give you that.

And I do really like the fact that it also
then gives you the source that

it used to give you the information.

Yes. Now, the big thing is one thing it
couldn't see right now were my bear notes.

And my five thousand plus bear notes is
where I've kept a lot of

my knowledge and thoughts for the last
however many years.

And so that's something hopefully over the
summer app developers adopt quickly.

We'll see if things,

you know, apps like Spark, Fastmail,

Bear, Things, all those apps I think
they'll get on board.

How quickly will Microsoft's Outlook allow
its

Content to be indexed by Apple Siri AI,

the Gmail app, your YouTube app.

I don't think YouTube's gonna do it.

And one of the things Neil I said at the
talk show last night,

like there's no way Meta is going to plug
in your Instagram DMs to

be indexed by Apple. Not that it would
really hurt Meta at all,

but I think just out of spite,

just Zuckerberg. Like he's like they don't
share it.

Well yeah, they don't want to share that.

They want you looking at your DMs in
Instagram.

It right.

But yeah, I can tell you right now,

I will be connecting contextlate to this
immediately.

I and I will not be connecting Coffee
Finder to Siri AI,

but contextually you should you should
check that out.

Totally fine.

just a preference question for you,

I'm curious. Now that Siri AI is a thing,

which I think is just wild that there's
like AI in the name of an Apple product,

but the Spotlight on Mac,

on iPhone, on all the devices,

it's now Spotlight and Siri. There's no
separation.

So when you do command space on your Mac,

it is both.

And as you start typing a request,

if it's a longer request, it's basically
just gonna kick you over to Siri AI.

If it's short, like launching an app,

it should do that pretty intuitively.

And on the Mac, you can still do like
command space four,

it gets your clipboard manager.

It's just this newer kind of interface.

From the last couple of days I've been
using it on my Mac and my other devices.

It's okay. I'm not sure if I prefer it.

Like sometimes I almost wish like just
give me spotlight because I'm like trying

to launch an app or I'm looking for a file
and folder.

And there are ways to do that,

like in Spotlight. You can, or in Siri AI
now in macOS 27,

like I could do command space,

type in P-I-XL, and hit tab,

and that will start searching for pixel
mater documents,

and it should like bypass the Siri AI.

So maybe it's gonna be great, but I'm not
sure how I feel about all of that being

in one. Have you had any time to kind of
play around with that?

No, I mean, yeah, I don't know.

It's like I think it is the kind of thing
where we're gonna have to spend some time

figuring it out and I'm gonna for now
trust that the people who made it spent

a lot of time trying to figure it out.

Yeah. Well sure.

And I think that this is a very new ~ a
very n like a new paradigm for

us because in the past, I mean most of us
had just gotten used to the fact that Siri

was the thing we used to set timers and
reminders.

Like that was it, right?

That's true. That's true.

And now it's sort of

the gateway to something much more
powerful and it's gonna take some time

to figure out how are we going to shift
the way we use it.

Because I don't think people are gonna
just stop using Claude either.

That's the other thing. Like I'm not
deleting the Claude app off my phone.

No.

Well, and another point is Siri AI on the
Mac,

there were demos in the keynote and
several ~ that we got in briefings that
were

really impressive. Siri AI on the Mac can
do some wild things like give

it three PDFs of whatever and ask it to
like give me a comparison table

on these three products, let's say,

or give me a summary of what all these
things are about.

I was experimenting with that last night,

and one, I actually had to drag a PDF into
the Siri AI Mac app.

I couldn't just tell it, get this PDF in
Finder.

Maybe that's something that gets updated
over time.

But to your point, of like, I'm still
going to use the Claude app,

one of the use cases that everybody shows
off in all the Claude and OpenAI tasks,

like co-work, is renaming files.

And so as a can Siri AI do that.

And so I I one of the things you can do in
macOS 27 is select files,

and when you right-click or two-finger
click,

There's the Ask Siri option right at the
top.

So you can ask Siri about the files that
you have selected,

which is cool. So I said, rename these
files.

And they said, What would you like to
rename these files to?

This is my Siri conversation. I say,

rename based on the contents of the image
or file.

And sure enough, it took the four
screenshot files that I had selected

and suggested names based on the content.

So it has like startup disk settings,

Yeah.

shortcuts University, Apple, like so it
came up with names based on the content.

So we could do that.

It said, would you like me to apply these
names?

I said yes. And I said, sorry,

I can't do that. And I was like,

So Siri, you did it. Like you already have
the names.

So it it it does not seem like right now,

we'll have to see over the summer that the
Siri AI on the Mac is not going

to be like Claude Cowork. It is going to
be like Claude Cowork light,

like L I T E, and like do some things
maybe,

but not gonna be able to take the amount
of agentic action on your Mac that

People might be used to. ~ all right,

side note, because I want to get to
parental controls.

None of these stuff, the Siri AI is not
coming to the EU because of the

DMA and is not coming to China.

And Craig even said in the keynote,

like, we're working. And one of the things
Neilai said at the talk show last night

is apparently Apple went to the EU and was
like,

listen, we will build this thing.

They're like, we don't typically talk
about things we're going to build,

but we will spend eight, it's gonna take
us 18 months.

We will spend 18 months building this
intermediary.

for agents on the Apple devices where
third parties can interact with personal

context in a safe way, only giving the
information that ~ is necessary.

Like we will build this if you will
approve it so these features can launch

in the EU. We just want to know that
you'll approve it because we don't want

to spend 18 months building it and then
you deny it.

And apparently the EU was like,

mmm, I don't know. And so I was like,

well, okay. So who knows? Who knows if it
will come to the EU

Or to China if or Wednesday. And it's only
it's English only this fall right now.

So we'll see. We'll see how that goes.

All right. Parental controls, Jason.

You and I use everything in screen time,

all the parental control settings.

One of the things that was clear yesterday
in a briefing was like a couple

of years ago, there was like a brand new
home architecture where you have

to like update all your home devices and
then like go to the home

arc new home architecture. That's actually
how these new screen time settings work.

Come iOS 27.

You'll have to up make sure all your kids
devices are updated to iOS 27 and yours,

and then there'll be an option to upgrade
to the new screen time architecture.

So this is not just you know design
changes and feature additions.

This is a reworking of everything behind
the scenes.

And that is why one of the promises is
this is going to be more reliable.

You know, screen time requests shouldn't
just break,

like being able to just access websites or
whatever.

So that's interesting.

And not something we'll be able to test
over the summer.

Like I'm not gonna put all my kids'
devices on iOS twenty seven,

so we'll see. But aside from that,

there was a lot of rebranding of current
features.

And there were a lot of times where I was
hearing like kids will be able to ask to,

you know, ~ con you know, a new contact be
added to their thing.

I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's a feature
now.

Like a lot of these new features.

Yeah, a hundred percent.

And yeah, and it seems like Apple is
relaunching this because it's been dormant

for so long. Like

One of my ongoing jokes is my first three
YouTube videos were about screen time.

It's six years ago that I published those
videos,

and I haven't had to update them since
because everything has been exactly the
same.

Like every screen time setting,

Yeah.

every menu has not changed since I made
those videos six years ago.

Now I will, now I will update it because
it is going to be very different.

But it is a lot of rebranding of features,

but then also some new things like time
allowances,

in addition to downtime, which are welcome
additions.

But JSON requests are still in messages
and that kind of stinks.

Yeah, that's the worst thing. Like,

I don't that's the one thing everyone
wants to do.

That is the sort of thing.

Like, I don't want the text history with
my child to just be full of these
requests.

No, no. That's all it is.

And it's like that doesn't make any sense.

I understand that from a software engineer
who doesn't deal with this every day,

it makes sense. But it does not make any
sense that like if I open up the text,

Don't do it.

like it's and especially because like
there are many times where our d like

our for example, our oldest, she'll send
us a message that she's made it somewhere.

Or the or other daughter. Like and she'll
send it to both my wife and I.

And then also, there's a bunch of just can
I have this contact in my thing?

Or can I have more time for this?

Or can I do this? Or can I download this
app?

It's like I I don't want any of that in
the conversations that I'm having with

my kid. I want those in a dedicated place
where I go when I want to deal with

the screen time stuff. So I I feel like
that is such an easy thing

to conceptually fix and I don't quite
understand.

It it does it is an example of one of
those things where it really does feel
like

the people who made this are not you
having to use it every day because

it does feel very like, Yeah, this makes
sense to an engineer.

Wouldn't it be super convenient if you
just got a text message and we just

put it right there? And I'm like,

Yeah, but then when you go back to those
messages,

it's just a bunch of garbage.

Well and still feel like there's so much
in the screen time settings.

We didn't get it. Like we got a Siri AI
app before Screentime app

and before GTA six. But a screen a
dedicated screen time app I feel like
would solve

a lot of the issues. Like let
notifications come through there,

put all the options in there. But we
didn't get that.

We got a website that talks about the
features.

So there's that.

Yeah, but also

Steven, here's the thing. When your kid
uses their when the screen time password

is entered on a device, you get a
notification.

You don't get a text message. So why in
the world when they want to do something,

That is tr ~ that is true.

is it not just a notification?

Yes. Right.

But like it doesn't I don't understand.

I bet you is because how it used to be is
those notifications lived

in like settings screen time or whatever
and years passed,

parents probably didn't know where those
were.

Like if you didn't do it from the
notifications like well where do I go to
get it?

More

importantly, people don't have
notifications on for settings,

but you everyone has notifications on for
messages until you get them.

But it but I just feel like it there's
gotta be a better solution,

Steven. And and he let me ask you this.

And

What was your sense from the not from
Apple people,

but from everyone else? Because I have
theory about this.

Why did they spend so much time talking
about screen time?

So this was something Neelai also talked
about yesterday was regulatory pressure.

Like age verification laws are being
passed right now in certain states,

like Texas requires age verification.

And so it seems like maybe Apple is trying
to get ahead of some

of that regulatory pressure and putting
these tools and maybe,

you know, circumvent some of these age
verification things,

like not make every app send you the
driver's license to verify the age.

Maybe it's that. And I do think

It is a need. I think more and more
parents,

like I've seen a lot of parents will ask
me of my kids,

friends, like, how do I manage this?

Like how like I've literally walked people
through adding screen time

and even just creating a child account.

Like that is one of the big new new things
in this redesign screen time

is the onboarding process for a child and
creating a child account like that

was confusing before.

And if you didn't start as a child
account,

Right.

it was very difficult to like make an
iCloud account.

I don't even think was possible.

Like if you created an iCloud account for
your kid before,

you were up a creek. Like you couldn't,

you would have to create another one for
it to be a child account.

Well, now you can convert those.

And so I do think maybe it's just hearing
from a lot of that.

And I mean it's huge in the news.

I mean, if you open the news app and look
at like psychology stuff,

80% of them are like kids and AI,

kids and social media.

And there's just a lot of that in the air.

So maybe maybe it's that. But do you have
a theory?

Like do you think why?

Yeah,

I think it's pretty obvious. They just
told everyone they baked AI into
everything.

And in order for parents to have any
confidence handing this thing to their
kids,

they need to be able to know that they can
control how things are being used.

Mm.

And and and I got a little bit of
pushback,

like, well, I don't they didn't really tie
that to the AI stuff.

I'm like, no, you don't need to.

But they talked about it first.

They basically said, This is the safest
device you can give your kid,

That is true.

because look, we will give you control
over these things.

I it is yes to see how I mean they've been
saying that for a while,

Mm-hmm.

so we'll see if it's more effective.

We're gonna give and we're even gonna give
you guidelines about how some

of these things should be used.

And then the next thing they talked about
is and by the way,

look, there's image generation.

Look, there's there's all these different
things.

There's and there's photorealistic image
generation.

Right. Yes.

Like I took a picture of my wife and two
different pictures,

one of myself, one of my wife.

And I like, make a photo of these two
people sitting at a cafe in France

on their first date, and it just did it.

Like she didn't have any can say in that.

It does do it. Yeah.

I mean, my wife's fine with it,

like, I'm pretty sure it's fine.

But like she didn't get to like opt into
that,

right? And so I think that in order for
once parents start to understand that

Right.

you can have these kind of conversations,

you can do this, in in even though I think
Apple's implementation

as is as responsible as any of the tech
companies at this point,

as far as we can tell, that doesn't matter
because what people just hear

are the endless number of stories of how

What these AI tools are capable of.

And I feel like if you're gonna hand your
kid a phone that can do all that,

you wanna know that you're gonna have some
control.

Yeah, that's fair enough. Last thing I'll
mention.

'Cause he called the section trust and
safety.

Right. It was trust and safety.

So yeah.

It wasn't like c child safety.

It was trust and safety, which was
interesting.

No, it was that and but the big section in
there was parental controls.

Yeah. Right. And one feature though,

I'll th shout out though, you'll be able
to temporarily open everything

for your kids, like if you're on a road
trip or you're traveling and

you just want to let them have unlimited
like screen time rather than having

to mess with downtime or deal with like
approvals during the entire road trip.

I'm speaking from experience because I've
had to deal with this many times.

Yeah, it's the worst.

Yes.

It's the worst.

You'll be able to just tap a thing and
say,

unlimited access for today. And that's a
very welcome feature.

One of the questions I have, I hope to get
answered,

is when a child asks for more screen time.

Right now the options are 15 minutes,

an hour, or all day. I'm hoping there's
additional options there,

but I'm not sure. So we'll have to follow
up.

Well here's

the I don't know, I haven't looked,

but here's the optimistic take.

Didn't they just make some adjustments to
the to the reminder snooze ~ capability?

I think so. Wasn't Marco talking about
that?

did they? I don't know. ~ yeah,

I don't know. So yeah. So maybe we'll get
some better options.

yeah, yeah. they they in Iowa's twenty six
dot five,

yes, there were some adjustments,

yeah.

I wanted to just be like how long do you
want to extend this for?

Just custom amount, twenty five minutes,

That would be nice. Yes. Yes.

seven minutes, ninety minutes,

Three

whatever.

hours and seven minutes, exactly.

Until we get to Alaska. Just I don't want
to be bothered again.

Okay.

All right. Quick lightning round.

We talk about Vision OS features,

panoramic environments is awesome.

Preview notifications just by looking at
them.

~ Apple TV, notably Apple TV and HomePod,

nothing. Silence. Even on the page on
Apple's website where you can like click

the different OSs.

TV OS is not even highlighted.

Like it doesn't even have a page to see
like what's new.

But Apple TV is getting a new Apple
Podcast app that will have video.

And I did a little short on this.

The podcast app in iowa 27. Chapters are
coming back for video shows

and follow-along transcripts and time
links.

A small golf clap, thank you. I just no,

I would clap louder but my microphone's
right here,

so

your microphone's there. I'm imagining
everyone in the room is clapping,

but anyway.

So

that's coming back. That is a very welcome
feature.

And macOS podcast app will have video as
well.

But other things we did not get,

and I did ask about this, HomePod,

it's not gonna have Siri AI. So you're not
gonna be able to do any

of the requests of Siri AI, even like
real-world requests.

You'll not be able to do that with a home
pod,

unfortunate. again, no home pod with the
screen,

no hardware this year, like zero hardware
announcements at at the keynote.

And also ~ no claud integration.

You know, one of the rumors was like,

you know, ChatGPT is still in there in the
settings.

And the settings are now weird.

Like Apple intelligence used to be a
settings wh pane,

and now it's just Siri. And inside the
Siri pane,

like way at the bottom, it's like shadowed
off.

The text is kind of blurry. It says log in
with ChatGPT.

Like it's like, I'm just kidding,

Yeah.

it's not really all like that.

But it's very much like pushed to the
side.

And it's clear, I think Apple is not
wanting to push on that like third-party

integration thing. And so Anthropic's not
an option.

And the ChatGPT thing is like,

I guess if you want to do that,

but it's not, it's not pushed at all.

There was can I say one thing that I
thought was I thought was very cool?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Cause I Steven, I'm on the record.

I've said this many, many, many,

many, many, many, many times. That the
single best device for AI is what?

Yes.

Yes, and what can you now do? Well and the
a and you

The Apple Watch. That's it. Serie AI on
the watch.

That's it.

can also build apps that have access to
private cloud compute.

I missed that and that is amazing.

I'm pr I'm almost positive that that's

That is amazing.

true. I'm gonna s there was a like a
screenshot where they saw where did I see
it?

Hold on. You keep talking, I'll find it.

All right.

But yes, you can do that. You can send
requests from your watch now

and I believe that they will go they can
take advantage private clock compute

because the watch can't load all those
models.

That's amazing.

That's amazing. All right. We only have a
few minutes.

I want to record a quick bonus episode
about my John Turner selfie,

but personal tech. I first finally got to
use my Ubiquity travel router

in the hotel room. And I just have to say
it is amazing.

~ I plugged it in. It's my home network.

So plugging it into the Ethernet in the
hotel room,

all my Apple devices are just immediately
connected to the Wi-Fi.

Have not dealt or seen a cap.

Just you know, a captive window for the
hotel.

Like put your room number in. I have not
had to deal with that all week.

The speed is great. Yes, it's only Wi-Fi
5,

but it's still great. And the unified
teleport feature is like a built-in VPN.

So I can turn that on on the router,

and then all my devices will appear as
though they're on my home network.

I can access my network attached storage,

screen sharing, like it is amazing.

And the speeds are great. Like I'm getting
a hundred the hotel connection

is a hundred megabits up and down,

which you know it's a little slower than
my home seven gig internet,

Ha ha.

but you know, what what can you do?

but I'm getting like 90 something on the
Wi-Fi.

I've been able to upload YouTube videos.

It's been great. I cannot say enough good
things about it.

Unfortunately, out of stock right now.

And if you look on Amazon, there's like a
grifter,

like double the price for the unified
travel router.

But if you travel at all often,

like Jason, you should get one of these.

It's amazing. I don't know if you care,

Really? How much am I gonna have to spend?

but it's still it's 75 bucks. 75 bucks.

Okay. All right.

And it's got two Ethernet ports.

So like when I record MacPower users later
in my hotel room,

I'm gonna connect my MacBook Air via
Ethernet.

So there you go.

I don't even

have two Ethernet cables, but I could
probably buy those.

That's pretty easy.

Can I tell you real quick, I think I
killed one of the USB C ports on

my MacBook Air because whenever I plug
something into it,

nothing happens. My SSD, I can't even
charge from it.

And I think it's because I filmed a stupid
pool robot vacuum sponsored video

and I use my iPhone to film underwater
because I had to get underwater shots.

And before I let it dry all the way,

I tried connecting a USB-C cable from my
iPhone to my Mac to like transfer it
video.

And then I it didn't work. And so I
flipped the cable around,

used a couple cables, and I think I killed
that one port with some water damage.

So that's unfortunate. Yeah. Good.

Mm. I just wanna be clear,

I was right. I did find it. It w I I was
watching a session.

I was well listen, this is the session I
cared about,

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

which was built with the new Apple
Foundation model on private cloud compute

and the watch is included in there.

So

I just wanna we should put that as a poll
quote.

I just wanna stay for the record,

I am right. Whatever you just said.

That was pretty good.

I think

I text Steven all the time and I'm like,

I think I'm right and you're like,

I think we're Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

Yeah, I know you do. I know you think
you're right.

Exactly.

We didn't get to talk a lot about
shortcuts in the main episode,

but I did a whole video on it.

I have like I think 18 videos on the
channel from this week.

So we'll put some of those, we'll put
Jason's article,

and we're gonna go record a bonus episode
because I gotta take a selfie with Apple's

forthcoming CEO. Thanks for watching.

Thanks for listening. We'll catch you next
time.