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we look back at this time, I think we will
realize that we were standing

in the foothills of the singularity.

Welcome to Primary Technology,

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I'm one of your hosts, Stephen Roble,

as in joined, as always by Jason Aten.

How's it going, Jason?

It's pretty good. It's pretty good,

Stephen.

Pretty good, pretty good. How's your app
doing?

How's your app in the thing? That's fun.

It's doing really well, Steven.

In fact,

before we get started, I would like to
give a shout out to you.

Yeah.

You left me one of my first reviews.

Thank you very much. Reading reviews about
your app that you have made

Yes, you're welcome.

is a very surreal thing. Thankfully,

it's like a 4.8 star app right now.

So it's technically doing about as good as
our podcast,

That's good, that's good.

which is great. A lot fewer reviews,

but it's interesting how people use
reviews to give you feedback suggestions.

Yeah, yeah.

Well,

there's that and we talked in the pre-show
which if you want to listen

to the pre-show and get an ad-free version
You have to link down in

the show notes you can listen to it all
but Someone left a review on

my movies on the side podcast saying it's
a fake show Because we only have

Yeah.

50 reviews after eight years and I'm like,

that's not my fault anyway

Right.

But I just think it was interesting.

there are also people who will leave you a
review that are like,

this seems like an interesting app.

I would use it if blah, blah, blah,

blah, blah. And it's like, that's not a
review.

Right. Okay. Thanks for your service,

You just said you didn't actually use it.

I guess. I know,

What are you doing? So anyway,

that's the thing. But I'm awesome.

it's been great. It's been super
surprising.

Lots of people have downloaded it and I
really appreciate it.

That's very cool, very cool. All right,

we got a ton of stuff. Google I.O.

is gonna be a translation interpretation,

a huge segment here, because we got to try
and talk about all

the things they announced. One,

the movie quote, today's quote was
actually not a movie quote.

You know what I quoted.

Yeah, I mean, that was Demisysabas at the
very end talking about something

singularity. I was like thinking it
definitely sounds like something

the mad scientist says at the end of like
a movie,

right? Like Dr. Frankenstein. By the way,

Yeah.

when you think of Frankenstein,

Yeah, yes.

do you think of the doctor or do you think
of the creature?

But that's not Frankenstein is the name of
the doctor.

You think of the creature, that's not
Frankenstein.

That's correct, that is correct.

It's crazy. It's just this weird thing.

Anyway, go on.

Anyway, we're gonna get into that,

but yes, that was a full on quote from
Google I.O.,

which just blew my mind. They also had a
couple other quotes we're gonna

be talking about. Bold claims,

we'll say bold claims from Google.

Last week I forgot to ask about the movie
quote.

I said, they made us too smart,

too quick, and too many. It is a movie
I've quoted before.

And I did not know it, but I do know it
now because I had actually looked

it up after the fact when you didn't ask
me.

So it's from AI, which I don't think is a
movie.

It is

I don't think I saw that movie.

It's Haley Joe Osment, Jude Law,

yeah, AI, literally. Not the future,

think. Well, maybe we're headed towards
that future,

who knows? But anyway, I have some
exciting news about pins.

Got to talk about. We have a couple
five-star review shout-outs.

Oh, Shaughnessy from the USA, iPhone,

non-dominant left-hand front pocket so he
can write with his right.

Thank you.

Your method. This is a great show,

thank you for that. Gunt Cramps from the
USA.

His review said, I've seen a bus once.

I don't know what that means, but.

He left us five star, so thanks for that.

You

And ~ Jerem is Miz from Mexico,

and he did correct me. Listen,

I have my other show now, Top 5 Tech,

which I do every Friday, and I highlighted
a video from Cleo Abram.

And for some reason, my brain kept saying
Chloe.

And I literally had to do like five takes
when I recorded that five minute show last

week because I kept saying Chloe.

I'm sorry, it's not Chloe, it is Cleo
Abram.

Yeah, it's also not GIF, it's GIF,

but move on.

I- okay. They are right there.

So, ~ friend of the show, Glenn texted me
and he said,

what does GIF stand for? Do you know?

Uh-huh. And how do you say the G in
graphics?

Yeah, it's the graphics image format.

I

know where you're going, but the canonical
evidence here is that

huh. Huh?

the person who created the format says
it's JIF.

Yeah, no, listen, once when you create
something and send it out to the world

How do you say the word? How do

you say the animal with a really tall
neck?

Yeah, so like yeah, there you go.

We did this, I literally said that last
week.

Yeah, giraffe. How do you say

the word of the present that you give
someone at Christmas?

What is that? Thank you.

a jift.

Ha ha.

All right, thank you. Okay, a couple of
app shout outs.

We have some wonderful listeners of the
show that have some apps and we like

to them out here at the top of the show.

So real quick, this first one is a mood
tracker.

This is from Marvin, sent me an email.

It's called Inner Pulse, one-time
purchase.

My wife actually uses apps like this to
kind of like track different moods

and stuff and there's lots of apps for
this,

but it looks great.

Really nicely designed, nice little graphs
and stuff.

So check out Mood Tracker. We'll link that
down in the show notes.

And then Heshan sent me this. Symphony for
Apple Music.

This is like a companion. So if you have
Apple Music,

you can connect it to this app.

You can browse your library in different
ways.

You can like get Cover Flow back,

if you remember Cover Flow back in like
iPod Touch era.

The Last FM integration. So that's a
pretty cool app.

Check that out. And also Smart Budget,

which is a...

Wallet app that also has some shortcuts
actions that I'm gonna

be playing around with pretty soon and so
yeah if it was looking for

a budgeting app smart budget apps in the
links in the show notes those are

fun and I Yesterday continued my
boondoggle of sending pins around the
world Jason

I still have a whole bet look at all these
pins I got here look these pins.

I got all these pins and this medieval
knight riding the polar bear and

so I asked last week I'm trying we have a
new quest get the medieval knight riding

the polar bear to every continent well

I'm pleased to announce we have five out
of seven continents fully secured

We have people this is not one of the
seven,

but we have Australia Hansa and I sent to
Australia Ian from Australia.

There was our going we have Central
America Jorge from Panama We have seven.

Yes, you do need to say like that.

Jason asked me what was you do And I'm
sending some to China We have

a listener visiting Japan next month and
so send them a pin and they're gonna

be taking pictures of it around Japan and
we had two

listeners in South Africa that emailed me
the day the episode dropped last week.

Echeppo from South Africa and Andre from
South Africa.

yeah, pins are heading that way too.

And so we now just have two more
continents to go.

South America and of course Antarctica.

And so if you're in South America and you
listen to the show,

email me. It's right in the show notes.

And let me know where you are.

I'll get one to you. And then if you have
like a grandma going to Antarctica

on a cruise or something.

Or if you know of someone, you know,

doing the Drake passage and is gonna be
heading down there or you have,

you know, a scientist, family or friend
that works down there something.

I want it. I want the polar bear.

I mean in Antarctica, it would be perfect.

Although there's no polar bears there
because there's nothing lives there.

You

But you know what I mean? Like in
Antarctica,

I think I feel like that'd be perfect.

So I'm excited. Let's do it. We have
listeners all over the world,

Jason.

my children, my sons and I had a really
interesting conversation.

It wasn't that interesting. But yesterday
about Antarctica,

because they were wanting to know,

like, is it a country? I said,

well, it's a continent. And they're like,

Hmm.

well, but is it also a country?

said, well, they don't have a government.

And they said, well, like, who's in
charge?

I'm like, that's a really good question.

And I don't know who it is. But I don't
think anyone lives there.

It is.

So it doesn't actually matter.

We all just agree not to fight over it.

Well, and I'm- I'm- Right,

Right. The scientists are there.

right.

We've all agreed we're going leave the
penguins alone,

because honestly, my boys think the
penguins would win.

if you tried to take over because they are
used to the cold and we are not.

I thought you were gonna say because
they've seen the the penguins movie with

No, no, they just think the penguins

the Madagascar penguins

are much more well equipped to survive
whatever might happen.

Yeah,

that is true. Listen, I'm always
fascinated by Antarctica.

The Chloe Abram video I linked in Top5Tech
last week.

Cleo.

See, I did it again. Oh my, sorry.

Cleo Abram. Her video is amazing because
they've actually studied

the lakes under the ice in Antarctica.

And I don't want to spoil it, but her
video is incredible.

It's basically like national geographic
level documentary.

And so you should check that out.

But I've also listened to the Omnivus
podcast where they talk about

the like huge machine.

Bulldozer type treaded vehicle that they
tried to bring to Antarctica like

Yeah.

in the 60s or whatever and It was a whole
boondoggle as well.

I'm always fascinated by it So let us know
if you or someone you know

is going to Antarctica I will send you
like 10 pins just to like well don't leave

it there you cuz That's that's it.

hand them out to the penguins.

Don't don't make sure they don't stab
themselves,

but you hand them out to the penguins We'd
love to do that.

All right media invites for dub dub has
gone out

And know, we already knew the dates of dub
dub,

but this is when Apple actually makes
official the keynote is going to be on
Monday,

June 8th with the platform say to the
union after that and media invites went

out I'm happy to report that I got an
invite and also sad to report Jason

did not I'm sorry, Jason

Yeah,

somebody asked if I was gonna go as a
journalist or an app developer and

I'm at this point just not gonna go.

Well, because the app developer you had to
have applied a long time ago.

Yeah You did the app developer

So.

and that's a lottery you're not guaranteed
even if you're a developer I know lots

of people so Unfortunately, it will just
be one of us again At dub dub.

I'm still holding on how I'll cross my
fingers next year one day We need

Hmm.

to record in person in the in their
podcast sweep

I did, I did email them and I was like,

do you know who I am? And they're like,

they're like, they're like, no,

Do you not? Google me!

they're like, no, I don't have a clue who
you are.

Leave us alone.

Google me

so I will be there in person I dig in an
invite and I'll be recording from

the podcast studio and Jason will be
roaming again So I'll be you reporting

all week the tagline for dub dub is coming
bright up and Everyone is trying

to read the tea leaves that this little
animation in the Swift logo

is maybe that's the new Siri Animation,

we'll see we're all gonna know in like two
weeks and it'll all be I just

I also think it's interesting ~

We talk about this a little bit in the
next Mac power users,

but Apple just, you know, they're just
using AI and you know,

for a long time, Apple tried really,

really hard to make machine learning the
term that everything

was machine learning and all this stuff
that Siri did was machine learning.

And then they were like, screw it.

We're just, everything's AI. Cause that's
what everybody calls it.

Well, but for

them, AI means Apple Intelligence.

Well, yeah, but like they just use the
acronym,

the two letters AI now. And I think they
just let people interpret it how they
want.

You know what I mean?

Sure,

but I bet you that if you ask them,

it means Apple Intelligence.

You know what I'm gonna ask them when I'm
there,

Jason. I'm gonna say, hey, what does AI
mean in this newsroom article?

What does it stand for? I'm just curious.

They're gonna be like, what are you
talking about?

Now, iOS 27, actually, there's some
official features for accessibility that
have

come out or announced, and we want to get
into that because there

are some clues there, I think,

to what we'll see at Dub-Dub, but we have
to talk about Google I.O.

Google I.O. is the huge event.

As we record, it happened yesterday,

and Google announced 1,000 things.

1,000 things.

Many of them do things like the other
things and and there's just a

lot of things and so the quote from the
top of the episode is literally from

the keynote. It closed the keynote and
they said when we look back at this time,

I think we will realize that we were
standing in the foothills of the
singularity.

That statement is wild.

I don't know like.

The singularity in astrophysics terms is
like what's in middle of a black hole

and maybe the beginning of the universe.

I don't know. But Google is using it to
refer to AGI,

believe, artificial general intelligence.

And they said that. They said that too.

Yeah, ish. Yeah,

AGI. Anyway.

they keep, they're

the only ones that are still saying it.

which I thought was interesting.

~ What's the presenter's name at the end?

How do we his name? Yes, he was the one
that said like,

Demisysabas.

AGI is coming. And so I think it's
interesting that OpenAI and Microsoft,

they've now let that go by the wayside and
they're not really talking about

AGI and it's not even part of their
agreement anymore.

And Google's over here like, nah,

it's here, bro. We're at the foothills of
the singularity.

You

It does sound like, if you say that more
with kind of like a maybe I'm high-esque,

like a dumb and dumber.

We're at the foothills of the singularity,

bro. I think that fits better.

They should have done it like that.

mean, Foothills

of the Singularity is definitely a Pink
Floyd album,

right?

That's pretty good. That is good album
name or maybe it's a band name.

There was that quote and there was also
this quote,

our mission, this is quoting from the
Google keynote,

Dennis Isavas, is to reimagine the drug
discovery process with the goal

of one day solving all disease.

Google literally saying they're going to
solve all disease with AGI.

We're back to big promises, Jason.

This is like big.

I said this to you beforehand and the
thing is looking at this entire list

of all of the things that got announced
most of which

are slightly different versions of the
same things that got announced

and also last year same things right like
they just keep and Google

Yes.

is notorious for renaming things that
they've already announced.

And so then you don't realize that,

wait, is this a new thing? Or is this just
a new name for this other thing?

Yeah.

Or is it the other thing? And it's a
slightly new version of it.

So they decided to change the name.

Remember when Gemini used to be called
Bard?

Like it's all very confusing. But looking
through this entire list,

~ yeah.

it is like, the thought that kept
occurring to me is,

well, if anyone could pull off all of this
stuff,

it's definitely Google.

For one, they have all of the technology.

They have Demis Thesabas, who is like the
godfather of AI,

right? When you, if we're gonna,

I think we're gonna talk about it later,

but when you look through the
conversations that were happening that
were revealed

during the Musk versus Altman trial,

you realize that almost all of the early
conversations were about people terrified

Mm.

of Demis Thesabas because he was like,

he was the guy. Everyone knew.

and they just figured he was going to rule
it all.

And now he got on stage today and said,

I'm ruling it all. This is my kingdom.

You are all just my pawns. But Google is
like the company you're like,

Ha ha ha.

definitely could pull this off.

And also Google is a company that you're
like,

they might forget about all of this
tomorrow.

There is literally a website called Killed
by Google with a graveyard

of all the things Google is saying.

And a lot of the stuff Google announced,

they're like coming this summer.

And so it's like, okay, what? Okay,

we'll see. So let's get into it.

You

mean, to be honest, we're having a little
fun here because it just feels like Google

is a little high on their own supply.

Maybe you could say it does feel like
there's a bit of anyway,

yeah, that. But they've done some
interesting things.

And because Google, like you're saying,

has all the things like Google Docs to
search to everything.

They can do some fun stuff. like Google
Docs Live is a feature that Sudharm Pichai

showed up. And he's basically like,

listen, you can talk at your phone and
because Google has your email and

it has all your search and everything and
personal intelligence.

They say, had this example where someone
was like,

hey, I'm giving a talk at my high school
or whatever.

So pull my resume from Google Docs,

pull the email from the school from Gmail.

And I want to talk about this and that and
this.

Remind me to tell the story about how I
got into that and bold that

and it'll just like create this Google Doc
with the whole outline and

the tables and cool like I mean that that
is nice and that's something where Maybe

Claude Cowart could do that today Like if
you gave it access to a document

or a folder on your Mac and it had context
for whatever but I think

the promise that Google is has espousing
is like well if you just like Google

already knows it all

So you can just add, you can just talk to
Google Docs and it'll make this

doc for you. The quality of the doc and
the content always remains to be seen.

That's kind of like the litmus test is
like,

would I use this out of the box?

How much editing does it take?

But it's cool that it does it.

It's also interesting that we're now at a
phase where Google has stopped trying

to pretend like your data is yours and
it's sacred and secret.

And they're literally just saying what we
all knew was true,

which is, listen, we already know
everything about you.

We have access to all of your information,

all of your data and all of your files.

So why don't you just let us do something
useful with it?

Yeah, and I mean if it is useful and you
would use it all the time

if you're having to make Presentations or
docs about stuff constantly like yeah,

sure They also announced Google Omni and
that they have like

13 different like generative tools like
there's Google flow There's Google pics

we're gonna get into Google Omni and it
did feel like we're gonna talk

a little bit about the Gen Z hate AI
because we had a great email from

a listener who's Gen Z who graduated a
couple years ago,

but it did feel like

Such a juxtaposition between how people
are booing AI,

an ex-Google CEO at a commencement talking
about AI,

and Google in this keynote was like,

you can generate anything from anything.

Like that's literally what they said.

Like you can generate anything.

You can give Google Omni a photo,

a video, a prompt, and it can make
whatever you want.

It can make videos, images, audio,

music. And so they're just full on being
like,

generate everything.

and even putting these tools into things
like YouTube so creators can make shorts,

just have AI do it. And it's like,

~ okay, I guess.

I mean, the idea would be you could take a
video of this keynote or

of a person just standing up and giving a
talk.

could video yourself giving a speech and
then you could feed it into Omni

and be like, make me the keynote to go
with this.

Like really.

Right and it

yeah, and they showed like lots of
manipulation type things of like they're

a guy walking along a wall and then they
made it look like a sci-fi thing

and then made it look like change the
scene and like I guess they're going after

Filmmakers or maybe like independent video
type businesses who don't have

the budget to do that With visual effects
and like the expensive way

and so maybe you just have AI do it if
it's good enough,

okay I guess I don't know Yeah

I don't know either. But I don't know

if they know either. I don't know that
they know who they're going after.

Right.

think it's like technology cool.

Is it David Pierce who's like,

this a thing? Just put it all out there.

Is this a thing?

But I do, I also think there are a lot of
people generating stuff with it.

I mean, I see so much stuff on social
media now where it's like,

is this, this is AI. This is, this is AI.

You know, it's just like real after real.

things that I even have to, like I get my
in-laws and other people like send

me stuff and they ask me like,

is this real? Is this real? I'm like,

no, it's not real. Which to that point,

there was a large portion of the Google
IOK where they talked about C2PA tagging.

And they basically said everything
generated with AI from Google's tools will

be tagged. And so there's going to be
C2PA.

And you can even see the data that it was
captured with X.

So if you took a video from your Google
Pixel phone,

it'll say this video was taken on Google
Pixel and then edited with Google Omni,

or it was manipulated with this.

And so they're also rolling that out to
Google Search and Chrome at large.

And they even got partners, OpenAI have
agreed to play nice,

Cacao and 11 Labs to say this was
generated,

like they're all gonna tag and label their
stuff,

which I think is good, like that's a
positive move.

More of these players are going to make it
clear when their stuff is tagged.

And you'll be able to, I thought this was
cool,

ask Chrome, is this AI? So if you see a
post,

you're browsing the web in Chrome,

or you come across an image or video,

you can literally right click and just
say,

is this AI?

And it will tell you this was generated
either by Google or by OpenAI.

And whether that metadata carries through
the pipeline,

know, if someone generates something with
Google Omni,

brings it into Premiere, exports it from a
media encoder,

and then, I don't know if you can strip
that data,

I don't know the technical side well
enough,

hopefully it stays through that whole
process.

But I do think that was a positive move to
do that.

I mean,

all you literally have to do is screen
record a video,

like make a video a video or screenshot a
photo.

Hmm. That's...

Like this is nothing. This is literally
nothing.

That's a good point. That's good point.

Also, the only place where this matters.

I shouldn't say it's literally nothing.

It is slightly more than nothing,

but it is not a meaningful thing at this
point.

Okay, thank you.

This is it. This is mostly the AI
companies trying to.

What is it? What is the phrase like
greenwashing?

Right. This is essentially greenwashing AI
where it's like

~ Yes, we pollute things, but also we buy
credits for carbon,

whatever. like, so what this is
essentially doing is we've created

~

a standard so that we'll be able to
identify fake content so that

the tools we're making so that everyone
can make fake content are fine.

Hmm.

Or you could maybe just not make those
tools that are going to cause

a huge problem down the road. Because
here's the scenario.

The only scenario where this matters is is
meta onboard.

Because what needs to happen is every time
you upload a video,

That's true.

that is tagged in this way, a giant red
key line needs to appear around

the video and a watermark needs to say,

not real, not real, because you just
described the conversations

you have with people wanting to know,

is this real? And they're not going to
right click in Chrome to find

out who was taken out of Pixel and
whatever.

That's the only scenario where this
matters is will Meta adopt this

and will Meta make it very clear?

And I promise you they won't because the
single most useful thing to Meta right now

Yeah, they won't.

is millions and millions of people
generating endless amounts of fake content

to put on there that'll keep people
engaged.

That is true. I was happy to read from our
listeners that they also think instance

is stupid. The meta feature. It's so dumb.

Absolutely moronic.

I guess that is a point.

Like whether the AI disclosure is
proactive versus upon request,

I think does make a big difference because
if someone is scrolling reels,

they're not going to like tap and hold and
say,

is this AI? And then wait for it to think
about it and then look at it like.

That's not going to happen. if,

and TikTok I think is the only platform
that allows,

has this, there is like a slider in the
TikTok settings for like how much

AI content you want. And you can literally
turn that slider down.

It doesn't reveal what's AI. It's just
saying you can have less of it.

You can't have none. You can't move that
slider all the way to zero,

but you can, you know, choose the amount
of AI.

If this tagging can then lead into that,

but it is a setting you have to manage
anyway.

~ We'll see. We're still a long way away
from whether tagging and all of this

has a meaningful effect. I did look up
greenwashing,

by the way. Quoting from Google AI
Overview,

greenwashing is the deceptive marketing
practice of presenting a company product

or service as more environmentally
friendly or sustainable than it truly is.

Greenwashing. That's it.

Yeah, which is that's the I think that
fits pretty well.

Right.

This is AI slap washing. Basically,

it's like, yeah.

there it is. Yeah, stop watching.

Yeah,

okay, so they also announced Google Gemini
3.5 flash,

which is better than everything It's
better than the current

pro versions that's available I think in
the Gemini app and web and it'll

be rolling out More to more people soon
even on the free tier.

So that's that's ~ Anti-gravity 2.0,

which is so many names, but Google
anti-gravity is like the developer
platform.

And so they're gonna have nicer desktop
app

Agent first that was one thing I got from
this keynote is like agent just that like

everything agent It's all agents like
Google said there's gonna be agents

and search there's agents and anti-gravity
Gemini spark is literally

a personal AI agent which we're gonna get
to but like everything's an agent

and so anti-gravity also agent first I
Well,

I guess what that means is I don't know
that means but I guess means like

you just talk to the agent and then they
he does things They they do things.

Well, there you

Excuse me

go. Yeah. And I guess to try to just parse
this out for people,

right? Gemini, we all know what the models
are.

Gemini, the Gemini 3.5 Flash is supposed
to be faster than Gemini

3.1 Pro or whatever. And it's way more
efficient.

right. Yeah.

They made the comment about like saving
you billions of dollars.

I'm like, you're not going to save me
billions of dollars because

I don't have billions of dollars to save.

I don't have billions of dollars to save,

Exactly,

right?

But okay,

exactly.

cool, that's great. You're trying to
explain this.

Anti-gravity is sort of the equivalent of
like codex or quad code-ish sort of,

right? But where it's focused on spinning
up agents that will then do this stuff

for you and then Spark, which you're gonna
get to is kind of like cowork-ish type

Yeah, yeah.

thing. And so it's hard because an
anti-gravity is actually not new.

They announced this last year.

They've made it clear that this is version
2.0,

so it's more agent-y.

This is literally,

they built the Gemini Mac app using
anti-gravity internally.

So like, there's that.

Yes. And

the idea is it's like a standalone desktop
application built around orchestrating

agents. And the thing about agents is,

you know, I was, I obviously have an app
in the app store.

You know, yeah.

You can download it. It's called
Contextly.

I'd love it if you do that. But anyway,

I, I wanted to make a change to something.

Link below.

And so I typed it into cloud code and it's
like,

Great, here's what I'm gonna do.

Agent one is gonna do this, agent two is
gonna do,

I'm like, who are these agents?

Are you sending in ninjas to like fix part
of my code?

That's right, yes.

So most of the time we don't even think
about that.

Now you could also create agents like
people are doing,

like OpenClaw or whatever. You can set
these things up to be running all the
time.

for most, so agent orchestration is,

don't think a consumer feature is what I'm
trying to say.

No, no, no it is yeah, and that's actually
what a like perplexed computer talks

about doing is like we're gonna
orchestrate all the models and agents
whatever

so that's if you're a developer I think
Gemini spark is one of

the more interesting things which It's
always on it.

It's hard to parse like during the keynote
like where does this live?

Like does this live in the Gemini app is
this like a different app is this

on the web and so unclear but Gemini spark
is Kind of like the Claude co-work like

you were saying of Google

So it is a quote unquote personal AI
agent,

takes actions on your behalf, but the big
difference is it runs

on virtual machines 24 seven. And so it's
not dependent on your computer being

on and active to run your task.

Even like Sundar Parchai said from the
stage,

like you can close your laptop,

which I've been seeing memes all over of
like.

That was

a direct like he speaking to the people
who are standing on the sidelines

of the kids soccer games with their
laptops open because their agents are
running

Yes.

Exactly. I've even seen like accessories
now where you put it in the USB port

or the HDMI port of your laptop to like
you so you can close the lid

but the laptop stays on and it's because
people want their agents like doing stuff

and so

There's nothing your agents are doing that
is important enough that

you can't just close your laptop every
once in a while.

Like seriously, what are they doing?

Yeah. They're my coding. Coding,

Are they like, are they, you so what it'll
just pick up when you open the thing.

I guess.

I know, but it is nice to say,

like, I don't even have to think about
that.

It all happens in the cloud. But of
course,

whatever the agent is working on also has
to be in the cloud.

And I think that is a fundamental shift of
like,

you know, Claude, co-work on my Mac.

My Mac has to be on because it's working
on things on my Mac locally.

And like Claude, you know, it's
communicating to the Claude servers cloud,

but like it's doing stuff with the files
on my computer or whatever,

using some MCP server.

But Google is very much taking the
position of like everything happens in the
cloud.

And so when you use Gemini Spark,

like it's doing stuff up there and then
you can come back to it,

whatever. And I did think it was
interesting to use an iPhone for the spark
demo,

which obviously everything's on purpose,

but like I thought that was interesting.

~ and it's also going to be coming to like
Chrome and basically they said Chrome

will be an AI browser, which it had AI
features already,

but I think this is another shot at like
perplexity comment or chat GPT Atlas,

which I haven't heard.

anything about Atlas in like the last
three months,

but that Chrome will have Spark and then
it will just be able to do stuff for you.

And then Android Halo, which is the agents
will be on your phone.

So Spark is like Gemini agents in the
cloud doing stuff up there.

And then Android Halo, if you have an
Android device,

is going to be agents doing stuff on your
phone,

which is different than Gemini task
automation,

which is also Gemini doing stuff on your
phone.

So.

Hopefully that's clear to everybody.

Totally clear. Also,

Hopefully that's clear.

definitely not letting agents do things on
my phone.

Yeah, mean, I'll order Starbucks for you
if it could do it well.

Okay, let's talk about this for one
second,

Steven. No, no, no, like I wanna just poke
at the premise here.

I don't, I don't.

How hard is it to order Starbucks?

I mean, you can do it with shortcuts.

Also, you could do it by opening the app
and tapping on reorder my last thing.

You can do it with shortcuts.

I don't understand, like how complicated
have people's lives,

I'll see you right now.

hold on, how complicated have people's
lives gone?

I don't believe that these are even close
to the use cases.

They keep talking. Everyone wants to talk
about I actually heard on

the recap from the verge. Yeah,

they talked about you can use it to plan
an event like your wedding.

I'm like, No, no, you won't. You will not
use an agent to plan your wedding.

Right? This is like self driving cars.

No you won't.

Some people actually like to drive cars.

So here's the scenario and I actually did
a video I'll put in the show notes right

run Gemini task automation on a Samsung
Galaxy s26 which you could do right

now with Starbucks door- and uber I
believe Starbucks is

the most useful I find it but the scenario
that I think it would

be useful for something like me is if we
ever do a road trip We're gonna

hit a Starbucks somewhere and if I'm
driving like yes,

I can hand my phone to my wife,

which I've done

Hand your

phone to your wife.

Yes, could do it. Sometimes she might be
asleep.

Like this literally happened on the way
back from the beach yesterday.

She was asleep. She didn't want anything
from Starbucks.

The kids are to get stuff. To be able to
just talk to the phone and

get all the orders with the customizations
right so I don't have to look

at the phone and I can then just order it.

That's one scenario where it's like,

okay, there's some value there.

Now, yes, it is slow. I would never sit at
home.

Do that like it would be much faster for
me to tap around on the

app personally But there might be
scenarios if you're walking down the
street.

No, you're not gonna do that walking on
the street in New York City You're gonna

you're just gonna tap on the app.

So driving

Yeah, I just think

I think that in less it is fast.

The shortcut thing is the only good option
at this point because it's actually

faster. Right. It's just because you can
set it up and be like,

It is fast. It is fast.

make a shortcut of my favorite order and
you just run the shortcut and

it just then you show up and there's a
drink waiting for you.

Right. That's different than did it get
did it hear me?

Is it doing it? Like, I just don't think
that I don't know.

I don't feel like this is a problem that
actually needs to be solved.

It just makes a good demo.

It makes a good demo. I mean, if it
expands,

you right now it's only in three apps.

If we're to expand and be able to do other
things,

like if you could tell it, you know,

create a project in Asana and create these
tasks,

assign it to these people. Like if you
could just kind of stream of
consciousness,

talk to your phone and it take all those
actions on your behalf

and it's actually accurate. So when you
get to the office,

you then don't have to like go through all
that tedious work

of creating the projects and the tasks,

whatever, like, it's just done.

Maybe.

Maybe that's useful.

And it's

actually accurate. That's a really
important thing you just glazed right
past.

But I

will say, say, it's definitely a kit.

Whenever I did a custom Starbucks order,

if it could get those right, with Stevia
packets,

upside down caramel macchiato,

like it got all of that. And that's a lot
of little drop downs,

it's got a click. I'm just saying.

It did all that. Okay.

Here's, just figured

it out. In 2007, Steve Jobs got up on a
stage and he introduced

Yeah.

He did. Yeah.

the iPhone and then he pranked called the
Starbucks.

He said, I'd like to order 4,000 lattes.

Ha, just kidding. Nevermind. And he hung
up the phone and Google's like,

That's right.

what if an agent pranked called Starbucks
for you and ordered 4,000 lattes

~

on your behalf? You just shout at the
phone.

You don't even, it's like,

Not as

fun.

Steve Jobs is living rent free in all of
these tech executives heads.

You know, that's a good point.

Yeah, probably. All right. Well,

there's much other stuff. Last thing,

and then we're going to get to like
universal cart and more Gemini stuff.

Google talked about a seamless AI search
experience.

So again, like the whole theme of the
keynote was just injecting AI into

all the things as much as possible.

And so for Google search, they're going to
do search agents.

So not only can Google search,

like if you search for something,

will

send agents out there and do stuff for
you.

And you can check for updates,

which I think is a useful task.

This would be like scheduled tasks in
Claude or whatever.

You could say, check the availability of
movie tickets for Odyssey from this
theater

for every hour and let me know when
there's some available.

So it can do those kind of repeated
automated tasks because it lives in the
cloud.

That's cool. And then they even said
they're putting anti-gravity in search.

because they want you to be able to,

if you have a question about black holes,

to, when you ask the question,

Anti-Gravity and Google search will
literally build visuals for you,

like in real time. And so the demo that
they give is like,

what happens if two black holes like
circle each other?

And there's literally an interactive
visual where you can adjust

the slider for separation and for mass.

And it is showing you this animation of
these two black holes around each other
with

an explanation.

Again, I will say, that's kind of cool.

Like, when my kids have a question about
time and I'm ready to give

a really long-winded answer that they
don't care about,

I can do this and like show a visual right
away.

Hey, just Google it, kids.

Well, let's Google it together.

I'm gonna turn on screen mirroring,

we'll throw it up on the Apple TV,

and we'll have it do that. Like,

that is, that's cool. Now,

Most of the time, the examples that you
see from these kind of AI search stuff

is like black holes for some reason.

I feel like black holes is like a common
trope of like,

show me how black hole works. You know,

how that goes to like, how do I make a
chicken parmesan?

I'm not sure what kind of real-time slider
visualization is gonna use like

~ a breadcrumb and cheese slider.

Like what happens when I drag that cheese
slider all the way to the right?

Right?

I'm not sure what it does there.

But cool idea, but it's just AI and
everything.

AI is everything.

It is funny that the two demos that they
all wanna do at Google is book

you a flight and show you how a black hole
works.

It's like, where are you guys booking
flights to?

Like, what is it about? This is how a
black hole works.

The center of the universe.

Would you like me to book you a flight to
the closest one?

Like, no, I'm good, thank you very much.

I don't understand.

I've read Icarus,

I've read Icarus. I know what happens
there.

It is interesting though, the,

cause this has already basically happened.

We're all just letting it happen.

But this is the most sure example of
Google just wants you to only use one
website.

Just go to google.com for literally
everything.

Yeah.

And we never want to send you to anywhere
else.

And I it's like, and we're all just
allowing that to happen.

And that's, I think a negative across the
board.

like Google, super useful. Where did it
get all of that useful information from?

A bunch of websites that are just not
going to exist anymore.

Well...

I will say though like I Think they are
fighting still

the pull of these the other AI's namely
Chachapi T and Claude

in the search department like my daughter
she wants a bunny for

her birthday and I know nothing about
bunnies.

I don't know about you Jason

We had a bunny when I was a child.

It died. mean, obviously, right?

Well, they don't live that long.

Did you enjoy the bunny?

Obviously, it's not still running around
our yard.

I did not enjoy cleaning out the cage.

Just out of curiosity.

I would not encourage anyone to get a
bunny.

Well, see, that's the thing.

I would encourage your daughter to get
have a friend by the bunny and then

she can go over and play with the bunny.

It's kind of like being an uncle.

Yes or

You don't have to like put you don't have
to bathe the children or feed them

or put them to bed. You just get to hang
out with them and do cool things.

My brother will like text us and be like,

hey,

Does your youngest want to go to a Lions
game?

Yes, but you know what? He's like,

Wow.

I don't have to deal with the sugar rush
afterwards.

That's the thing. Well, it's like it's
better to know someone with a boat than

to own the boat. You know what I mean?

Absolutely.

So anyway, she's probably going get a
bunny because she wants a bunny.

Like she already has a friend with a bunny
and that's why she wants a bunny.

So like the bunny is probably happening.

That ship has sailed. I know nothing about
bunny breeds.

I could not have told you a bunny breed
two days ago.

And so she said last night,

can we do some research on bunnies?

I said, sure.

And so I handed her my phone with Claude
open.

And I didn't really give her any
instructions.

was like, all right, go ahead and ask some
questions.

First of all, I always think it's
interesting.

Number, like step one,

she just started talking to it.

She didn't try typing to it. And she
doesn't have it,

like she types plenty, but she was like,

she's just gonna talk to this thing.

So she tapped the voice mode and she just
started talking to it.

And she just asked it a bunch of
questions.

She has it for pictures.

She has to like the breeds and like
friendliness and all this kind of stuff.

And she was just talking to Claude about
the bunnies.

Now, if I would have handed her the Gemini
app,

she would have just used that.

Or the Chat GPT app, she would have just
used that.

But I do think there is a like,

you know, whatever your preference is,

like these all do fairly well.

And so Google maybe is trying to
differentiate leveraging all the data

it has about you, playing that into
personal intelligence,

saying, we'll even build you an
interactive visual.

I think they're having to compete because
I think it is still,

we're still in a competitive market.

Like they haven't won just yet.

I mean, they've won for many years.

Google search has been the default for
many years.

And this has been the first few year span
where they've been challenged

in this department where people are not
always going to Google

to search bunny breeds. But yeah,

they're trying, I think they're trying to
get back into it.

So anyway, sure. What,

Yeah.

what you gonna say?

Well, Google doesn't care because it
doesn't ~ like that particular set

of sure you could do that on Google.

Like it would just give you an overview.

But you weren't going to Google to buy a
bunny.

Yeah, sure, but they sure could have shown
you ads for whatever person

is getting the bunny breed keyword.

And that is the thing,

The bunny breed buyer. Yeah.

that is still the core of Google's
business is the ads business,

and they still need to be able to show you
the ads.

And so they need you there. They need you
on the Google search,

because that's what people pay for.

And I don't know what that means for
anti-gravity building you a visualization

of a bunny, and whether or not you'll see
an ad.

I think that's not

necessary. But what it would do is like,

build you and spin up an app in real time
in your search that

then monitors the local bunny farm has a
countdown

Yeah, right? Yeah?

on their website telling you when the next
breed is going to be born

and Google will just check that every day
and then it will send

you a notification when the bunnies are
ready to be bought.

Gemini Spark, build a rabbit agent.

No, not rabbit agent. I said rabbit agent
to check.

rabid. You're going to get the scariest
bunny that you could possibly.

Please,

Why is my bunny a rabies? I don't
understand.

Exactly, so red eyes,

these red eyes. All right, there's so much
more.

Google Cart is coming in. Jason has
thoughts on that.

Plus we still have, believe it or not,

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You have some thoughts on Google Cart.

Google said Universal Cart is like your
cart everywhere.

Whatever you want to buy, if it's on
YouTube,

if it's in Gmail, it's all the things.

Cart.

Yeah,

this isn't well, there's there are three
different pieces to this.

One is a protocol. They had to get
everybody on board with a protocol.

That's fun. Yeah.

So here's so I do want to say one thing
about that.

What this means is this is distinct from I
think the demo you showed where like your

phone is actually tapping around on the
Starbucks app on its own.

That's not this. And in some ways,

what Google is saying, I'm sorry,

that's too hard. Right.

So this universal commerce protocol,

whatever they called it, is essentially
like,

it's basically just an API between Target
and Walmart and Google

and all these places so that they can
communicate.

And I think Google said they have like 60
billion items.

Sometimes, yeah.

And it's basically a big MySQL database
with a bunch of stuff in it that they

can just like, you click, you want this?

Okay, so there's that piece of it.

Then there's this payment processing piece
of the whole thing,

which is kind of insane.

this agent payments protocol, which is
this multi-layered thing that

is too confusing to really get into,

but basically think about what would be
required to unleash agents with your
credit

card on the internet.

What could go wrong?

just

think about that, right? And Google
explains it in a way that I'm sure is
right.

But it's basically like, you know,

you have to have the user tell the agent
or tell the agent what they want.

And the agent has to find it and put it
into a cart.

And then the merchant has to be like,

Yep, I agree. I signed this. But the
reason that this all matters is like,

what happens if toilet paper shows up at
your house and you're like,

I didn't

want this? didn't order this. Yeah,

Why is there a canoe in my front yard?

I did not. Just because one time on
Instagram,

I liked a photo of people canoeing did not
mean buy it for me.

Right? So so what goes wrong? Who's
responsible for that?

Wait a minute, yeah.

Right? Like if when that happens,

Yeah.

so they had to build all of this stuff.

And then the conclusion of that is this
thing called universal cart,

which basically means if you're on Google,

if you're in Gemini, if you're on YouTube,

or if you're in mail,

You can literally just start adding things
to a cart that Google holds.

Alright.

And then you can look at the cart and be
like,

yep, I want to buy this. And it'll just go
out and be like,

oh, this only has four items left and it's
on sale.

So let me put a coupon code in there for
you.

And you can either finish the transaction
in Google's universal cart or

you can go to the merchant. Go ahead.

Right,

it'll also proactively be like,

~ your Amex, if you buy it with your Amex,

you get 3 % off or whatever. So,

Yes.

yeah.

Well, that was the most interesting thing.

It's like, yes, if you use this card that
we know is in your wallet,

you'll get this many points. I'm like,

Right.

I get why Google's doing this.

There's no company on Earth more willing
to pay money for this sort

Yeah.

of thing than American Express.

Like, literally, when I worked in a
previous publication and that publication
wrote

Ha ha ha.

about credit cards, the reason they did is
an affiliate link from a credit card

was like $700.

Yeah,

something crazy.

that they would pay, like, oh,

now I know why the Amex Platinum card has
a $800 membership fee.

That's why all your travel

influencers, they hawk credit cards.

Yeah, they get paid big time paid anyway,

Yeah. If you buy a MagSafe charger from
me,

so

my Amazon affiliate revenue is like one
cent.

So that's, yeah, that's the difference.

Yeah. The reason Stephen has to push them
so much is he needs a billion people

No, I love,

to buy them. I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding.

I love, look at that, look these MagSafe
batteries.

I actually, oh, can I tell you,

my son had a birthday party the other day
and...

He's turned 17 and so like all those
friends are like teenagers and most

of them had iPhones. I already tell you
the story Never mind.

Yeah, you did last week, but it's fine.

You can say it again. You gave away
MagSafe batteries.

Forget it. No, no, that's fine.

I realized as the idea as I started to
tell stars like oh shoot I already said
this

It's fine.

never mind. You can listen to last week's
episode.

It's good. Good, good promotion there.

You want to hear that story? Yeah,

Anyway.

Wait, so you were saying the universal
cart.

I have no idea. Yeah, we're no.

Okay, very good. I

Yeah. But

the point is, if you're in Gmail and you
see a thing,

you could just be like, this to my car.

Yeah, sure, sure.

Or you're on YouTube and Stephen is
talking about a MagSafe battery pack.

You just add this to my car. The problem
is,

think about this. You're not getting your
Amazon affiliate when that happens.

That is true. unless they go, well,

and they didn't show Amazon in those
demos,

so it remains to be seen.

So Amazon is

a partner with the first of the things
that I talked about,

which is the protocol, universal commerce
protocol,

Okay.

Walmart, Amazon, Target, Shopify,

all these people are a part of that.

But that just basically means like,

we'll all share information about this
sort of thing.

They'll probably share their items so they
show up in search,

but then to check out, I imagine you have
to go to Amazon.

Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't know.

But the point I think the whole reason
Google is doing this is right now,

Google is the default place that some
number of people go when they're looking

to buy things, right? That's why shopping
is such a huge thing.

Sure.

And it's the simplest thing to monetize,

because it's like a transaction.

And for the rest of humanity, Amazon,

you just go to Amazon when you're looking
for something,

He's got everything. Yeah.

right?

and Google's like, we need to capture all
of this.

And we just want to be the default place.

And we actually don't even we actually
don't even want you to go to target.com.

We just want you to come here,

put the alt stuff in your universal car,

and we'll deal with the rest of it.

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. don't use
Google Pay or really a shop or anything,

but... Yeah, I have to use Google Wallet.

Yeah, you do have to be using Google
Wallet,

which I don't use Google.

No, I don't use that. don't use that.

All right, we're try to jam through this,

but there was more generative stuff like
Google Picks.

Again, it's AI altering images,

doing stuff, which looked kind of cool,

honestly, like resizing subjects within a
photo and then overlaying text.

Like all those flyers that people put...

Like they make for schools or like small
groups like maybe though that maybe
they'll

look better now because you could use
Google pics.

That's fun ~ flow for like more video
generation and They also said something

about you can create your own creative
apps With AI in flow and they basically
show

like a marketplace of apps. So it looked
like you know,

if you wanted to create your own creative
tool for Whatever like you want

a specific tool to

make book covers, can vibe code but
without the coding.

Like, vibe prompt, I want a tool that does
this,

and then you could just do it.

And then there'll be a marketplace of the
tools that everybody's built.

Kind of interesting. That seems kind of
wild also.

I guess it'd be like custom GPTs almost,

where there's a marketplace of
hyper-specialized GPTs.

anyway, there's that. Yeah, music,

you generate everything. Generate all the
things.

I mean, you

just described a bunch of things that also
sound a lot like a bunch

of other things that Google has like
Google pics and Google photos.

Yes, yes.

And then there's like a video thing that's
not video,

but there's still video like. But there's
also this flow app thing,

There is still video. I don't know.

but also couldn't you have anti gravity do
like,

I don't understand, Steven.

It's all all the things are all the things
All right.

Well the land at the end of the keynote I
didn't want to get to this

was they announced audio glasses and So
last year Google I know what

you were there for there was the which we
didn't really say you didn't make

it out to Google I hope that's it Right,

I didn't go because I'm going to Montreal.

you know, I think I feel like maybe that
was a better choice

The actual

real reason I didn't go is we have a kid
graduating in about a week

and a half's time. And so the number of
things that are we're actually recording

Right.

this podcast a day early because tomorrow
morning I have a thing to do and

Yes.

I had to change a flight to go to Montreal
to a different day because

our daughter did her homework for the last
13 years.

And so we have to go to a little ceremony.

because wow wow

yeah that's it well congratulations to her
and you

She's graduating with honor. So there we
go.

There you go, that's awesome. Google,

the audio glasses. Last year you got to
try the Google glasses where there

was a display in the lens. And now Google
is like,

Yes.

no, this is all audio. So audio glasses
will have Gemini built in and

it can just talk to you all day,

all day battery life. It still has a
camera so you can like take pictures,

but it won't show you anything on a
display.

And okay, one,

I thought, wow, this would be great if
AirPods and an iPhone can

do this because it's exactly the same
thing.

And if AirPods have the camera like were
rumored last week,

like yeah, just talk to Apple intelligence
to do this kind of stuff.

And also they had like, well, first of
all,

Warby Parker, Gentle Monster, they're
making very nice looking glasses.

Or at least they say it's nice looking.

They look fine. I wear Warby Parker.

But they even said like you can get
directions.

And like, you know, you know, what's
really helpful when you get directions

is like seeing where to go. And so like,

Yeah.

yes, the audio telling you to turn left or
turn right is fine.

But I feel like you're going to want to
see an arrow.

on a screen or pointing in a direction.

So I feel like audio only glasses,

I don't know how that, I don't know.

And then at the end of the demo,

they were like, we're gonna take a photo
and I'm gonna have Jim and I put

a blimp in the background and make the
whole photo cartoon imagery.

And I was like, well, why are you even
taking the picture?

Like, why don't you just prompt it to like
make a,

like AI generate a photo of a crowd with a
blimp over it.

If you're gonna, and that was the other
thing of like,

it feels very much like Google is just
trying to get you to like,

AI all the things like even a real photo
that you're taking with like physical

glasses of real people like you know what
let's AI that too let's just

put a blimp in the background for no
reason so

I feel like the movie clip today should
have been like Robin Williams arguing with

the GPS in the movie RV where it just
keeps like telling it turn left turn left.

It's a good one.

Do you really what you know what I do the
first time I get into a car and

I hook up like I turn off the audio part
of the navigation.

I just want to see it on the screen.

I do not ever want it talking to me.

Yeah, I don't have my talk to me either.

And this is literally what if you couldn't
see anything and we just shout

at you turn left turn left. I don't want
that.

Yeah, yeah

I don't want it Steven. It's bad.

Now they close the well they close the
keynote with those wild quotes,

which I already stated I do want to say
one thing that I would love to

see Apple be able to do something like
this with Apple intelligence,

but I just don't know if it will ever
happen But they talked about

how weather next which is one of their
like AI models

was used to help

~ better hurricane tracking and
forecasting.

And there was a massive hurricane that hit
Jamaica last year

and Google's Weather Next was part of the
tools that was used for early warning

and I think even the governor or the mayor
~ in Jamaica talked about

how it helped them be able to share
warnings earlier,

which literally saved lives. And that's
the thing is because one,

they should have opened the keynote with
this kind of stuff.

Tell the stories of like why AI is like
can be useful right now and like

the fact that you saved lives because of
hurricane prediction models using your

AI like that's cool like that's
unequivocally Impressive and like that's

the kind of like Apple watch stories you
hear at the beginning

of Apple keynotes like do that at the
front You know frame it like that because
when

Right.

I saw that part of the keynote I was like
man Google gets to say

our technology is being used outside our
walls

by weather forecasters and is making a
difference in the real world.

And I thought back to Apple and like,

I'm excited to get to go to DubDub.

All the rumors are that Apple Intelligence
is going to be,

you know, big announcements there,

Siri's going to get better. The one thing
Apple is not going to be able

to say is that like our AI technology will
be used to do X,

Y or Z out in the world because they just
don't have it.

And they're so much so that they are
literally using Google's AI.

to power Apple Intelligence, and we're
going to probably see that at DubDub.

And I understand that's just not where
they're at.

They're making the devices that all people
are using the AI on.

They're making all the Mac Minis and all
the laptops that people are using it.

And there's literally an iPhone 17 Pro in
the Google keynote using Google Spark.

Apple is making the hardware that all of
this stuff is running on.

But it would also be nice if Apple could
say,

we're making a tool for the outside world
to use.

because our software or our compute is so
good that we are making that difference.

maybe they don't need to do that,

but that was a moment in the Google
keynote where I was like,

wow, that's cool. That's a cool thing.

And when we get to the accessibility
features,

I actually had a lot of people on social
media were like,

this is what AI should be used for.

Like, let it help someone who's visually
impaired tell what's in front

of them and let AI be able to talk to them
about it.

Like, those are cool use cases.

And Apple is doing that, to be clear.

We're going to talk about that in a
second.

But it was kind of cool to hear Google and
the weather.

Yeah, I mean, whether I mean, this was
their Apple watch,

right? Yeah.

That's yeah, exactly. That's like their
Apple

watch story whether or not it will cure
all disease probably not probably

TBD.

not TBD are you had a great article last
Google thing before we go to

iOS 27 we talked about the Google book
last week,

but I'll also link to your ink article
Usually this seems like

a shorter headline for you, but I do think
it's great.

The Google book doesn't make any good any
sense

I

don't understand. I a lot of time thinking
about this,

Steven, and I don't understand.

I don't understand the Google book.

And the same thing is true with Spark is
basically like Copilot,

right? Like I don't understand.

Yeah.

I just can't figure out what they're and
except when you think about

the fact that they are not making

They are trying

Right?

to get other people to make nicer
Chromebooks and they realized that

Yes.

if anyone was going to take them
seriously,

they needed a new name and put a glowy
thing on them.

And then they have a Google book.

I just, I mean, it's a terrible name,

Yeah,

but.

it's a bad name. I could definitely see
them marketing like,

can run your Gemini Spark agent on your
Google Book,

tell it to do something, and just close
your laptop.

But they also just said in this keynote,

you could do that with your current
laptop.

I mean, but can

you just imagine like, Acer, Lenovo,

could you make a notebook and would you
put our name on it too?

Like at least when there's a Chromebook,

it just is like, it's Chrome. Yeah,

obviously every Lenovo laptop runs Chrome.

But now it's like, hey, what if we called
it a Google book and you made it?

It's like, okay, well, I don't know.

Yeah, yeah, that's

I just don't understand.

sure All right, so I was 27 Apple has done
this the last few years

and They announced the accessibility
features coming with the next software
early

So they actually unveiled the actual
features access accessibility features
coming

with iOS 27 and they said a lot of them
are using Apple intelligence and

It was they have a really cool video.

I shared on social media basic voiceover
We can have someone who's visually
impaired

see what's in front of them

And like this is great uses of AI.

Like you can point your iPhone,

use the action button or program something
else and say,

what is this document I'm looking at?

So this person got something in the mail.

It's a bill. And Apple intelligence can
like interpret it for them.

They have like two shirts on the bed and
they want to choose the right one.

They say, which is the plain one,

which is the plain white one. And your
iPhone can tell you it's the one on the
left.

It's the one on the right. Or where's my
keys?

So like, that's really cool. This seems
like,

yeah, great use of AI. Like let it be able
to...

talk to people, explain what's going on.

There's even ~ the natural language input,

is interesting. And there was some posts
on social media of like,

is this an agent on the iPhone?

And basically what it is is voice control,

which you can, voice controls exist for a
long time.

You can talk to your Mac, you can talk to
your iPhone,

but that the voice control in iOS 27 using
Apple intelligence,

you can tell your iPhone, tap on the
orange folder or tap

on the beach keynote. And it will
literally,

take action on the screen for you without
you touching the screen

and just using voice control to control
your phone.

And Apple intelligence taking that even
further.

Navigating apps and experiences.

And a lot of people were like,

is that an agent? It's like, well,

technically, mean, yeah, if your phone can
use itself with your voice prompting,

it seems like it. But this is also very
different from even

the Gemini task automation that I talked
about earlier,

where I could tell it like, order me a
caramel macchiato upside down.

That's a lot of clicks and a lot of steps
it's going to go through

in the background. And this is seemingly
more like single command,

like open this, go to this. But we'll see.

Maybe that's a clue of what's coming with
iOS 27.

Yeah, and I would argue an agent is simply
a string of technologies.

And this is one of those technologies that
would also be found in an agent.

But in this case, it's an accessibility
feature because it's the human

who is directing it. It's not.

And it is directing actual steps as
opposed to directing the outcome.

That's a good distinction. They're also
bringing captions to

all basically videos taken on your iPhone
or sent to your iPhone.

So if you record a video or if a friend
texts you a video,

there can be captions on there
automatically.

So that's a great new feature,

iOS 27. And an amazing demo, Apple Vision
Pro is going to work with power wheelchair

control. So someone can literally use
their wheelchair by looking

at controls in Vision Pro.

and be able to like move to the left,

move forward, move to the right,

and like omni-directional control.

This is really cool. I will say,

I've used my Vision Pro a few times in the
last week,

and sometimes the eye tracking is not
super precise,

so I'm like, this has to be spot on,

because you can't have a motorized
wheelchair like going off a ramp

Sure.

or doing whatever, but it is good.

We'll see, maybe...

Vision OS 27 will like heighten the
accuracy even more.

Maybe there's like settings for ~ like
blink to move or whatever,

but I thought that it's really cool
connected to a wheelchair.

Yeah, that's fun. And last rumor about iOS
27,

Yeah, I agree.

Mark Gurman over at Bloomberg was saying
that shortcuts will be able to

be made by themselves with Apple
intelligence and iOS 27.

So you'll be able to open the shortcuts
app and say,

make me a shortcut that does this and it's
just going to do it.

And listen.

Maybe I'm out of a job, Jason.

Maybe this is it. This is the end.

I don't think this is the end.

I think that just every video is gonna be,

Thank you.

yeah, tell Siri, stop texting me.

Well.

Jason, stop texting me about shortcuts
that you need.

Just, it'll do it for you.

Just as well

and here's I did a little short on it,

but my my thought is I There's actually an
app right now called shortcut studio

I did a video on it last weekend and it is
literally an app that

can build shortcuts for you, which is
really cool and it does

a decent job but I'll put a link to my
video and then shortcut so it's

a free to download you can build like
three shortcuts a day for free and

you have to pay for

But what I have found is with some simple
requests,

it nails it. And I imagine Apple
Intelligence and shortcuts,

if you ask it something like, give me a
report of my events for today and send

it to me in a text message, check my
calendar events and go for it.

Like the shortcut studio app could do that
today.

And that's using like AIs and LLMs in the
background to make the shortcut

and you could download it. I'm sure Apple
Intelligence will able to do that.

If I ask Apple Intelligence and iOS 27,

hey, make me a shortcut that uses the
movie database API.

so can search for a movie or TV show,

pull the poster image, where to stream it,

and put all of that in an Apple Note,

I doubt it can do that. And only because I
did some of those more complex tasks

in my video, and I won't spoil it,

but AI is still not super precise at
connecting variables and shortcuts,

or being able to, once you get to longer
tasks,

it kind of loses the plot.

Yeah.

Sometimes

doesn't pull from previous actions
properly so maybe Apple's

own Apple intelligence will do that better
Hopefully because it's actually Apple's

on-device LLM doing that but I think it
will be great for simpler shortcuts

I think more complex shortcuts remains to
be seen but listen I'll be

in my hotel room Monday night of WWDC
Shouting at my phone to build shortcuts

all night, and you better believe that's
gonna be on a video So maybe I'll

do a live stream who knows but we'll see
that should be coming iOS 27

~ Sports ball. Do you use the Apple Sports
app?

I forget.

I will look at it sometimes, especially
when I want.

The main reason is I'm like, I think
there's a game today of something.

I'll just open it because it's easier than
Googling it.

Right.

It is. It's just like, I know it'll be in
there.

I know yeah,

I'll just open that.

yeah, it's now available in more than 90
additional countries Including

so our listeners in Australia,

New Zealand, Japan, India. Someone's
India,

too I forgot to give him a shout out
someone to India as well But it's
available

in 90 more countries and speaking of
sports.

There's actually a new Apple vision Pro
Documentary about Real Madrid

and Apple vision Pro the embargo drops
today Wednesday,

so that I should be good to talk about it
But I did watch it

in Applevision Pro and it's, you know,

one of the things about the immersive
video,

and I think this could be like the future.

Did you listen to the Adam Lissagor talk
show with John Gruber?

I didn't get to the whole thing.

It was a really fun episode, a lot about
vibe coding,

but Adam Lisagor, who's been a guest on
this show actually in the past,

of Sandwich Video, he talked about,

you know, he's very bullish on immersive
video,

and that being like the next frontier in
entertainment,

and whether that shakes out to be true or
not,

I do find that the immersive video in
Apple Vision Pro,

it makes me super invested in whatever it
is,

even if I didn't have that much interest
in it before.

Like there's like the two episode dog show
thing in Applevision Pro.

I've never watched a dog show.

I didn't know any of the terms.

I would not care otherwise. But man,

watching those two episodes, like I was in
it.

And I was like super invested.

And one is the storytelling and the Apple
Studios making this content.

But also in this Real Madrid documentary,

I'm semi familiar. I know Cristiano
Ronaldo.

I know Lionel Messi. Like I know some
names.

I know about football.

But man, watching this documentary,

was like super invested. And the time
always flies by when I watch

an Apple immersive video. And I talked
about two of them last week,

the New York and the Switzerland one.

And so it's really good. So if have an
Apple Vision Pro,

I would encourage you to watch the Real
Madrid one.

And I hope there is more immersive
content.

And Adam Lisagor on the talk show says
like,

there's basically a few people out there,

like literally a handful, making immersive
content that has

the Blackmagic immersive camera and trying
to do it.

There's not a great way to distribute it.

That's one of reasons why he made the app
called Theater on Vision Pro,

so you can watch some of that third party
immersive content.

But yeah, it's still fun. Strap it on and
watch some.

The New York was part of the Elevate
series,

and I hated it. With a passion,

Thank you, Elevate. What?

Wait, wait, whoa, whoa,

Stephen.

whoa, why did you hate it?

This is not what people want, but this is
what Apple thinks people want.

What people want is to put on the Vision
Pro and feel like they're in

New York City and be able to determine
that.

Yeah.

I don't want to a movie flying over New
York City and flying through walking
through

some streets and then cutting to something
else and then going to this.

~

And then you go to the guy who's like on
the bike and then you go

to this other place and then you do.

Yeah.

I don't want that, Steven. What I want is
to be like,

a location. I want Street View,

but immersive.

and I can just like choose like 12
different different spots around the it's
kind

of like the NBA games. People don't want
you to cut them.

They just want to sit in a seat and
experience what's happening.

And with the New York City, I just let me
stand in Times Square.

Yeah.

Let me move forward or backward.

Let me do that's what people really want.

And that's what immersive means.

Immersive doesn't mean

we just made a movie, but we just did it
with these different cameras

and we still control all the stuff.

Cause I'm like, ~ that was cool.

And then I have to back up and be like,

I'm walking. It didn't feel like New York
city to me because of that.

And I've been in New York city.

I know you're from New York. I've been to
New York city probably 50 times because

Sure, sure, Yeah, yeah.

of like for work. I've been there a whole
lot of times,

probably more than most people who don't
live there.

Like it, right. I'm very familiar with New
York city and I love New York city.

Sure, sure.

It's one of my favorite places on earth.

If we didn't have children, maybe we'd
live there.

I don't know. I did not like it at all.

That's wild. Well, I will just heartily
disagree.

I mean, it's a subjective thing,

but I thought if you had never been to New
York,

it provides like one with all this
immersive content.

None of it is long enough. You know,

it's all like short in the New York City
one.

I think it's like eight minutes or
something.

And so like, what do you do in eight
minutes?

And you know, the other elevated series,

there's like narration and there's
explanation.

And I love that New York City was just the
sights and sounds of the city.

And so I totally get like someone might
just want to like stand in Times Square

for 30 seconds or a minute. I want Mr.

or walk through Central Park.

Park and like that would be a cool like
app,

you know, like choose your venue,

Times Square, Central Park, Soho,

Chinatown, and just like staying on the
streets corner and then like Google street

view, like tap another street corner.

Zoom over there and then feel like you're
just standing there And if

it was like live like that would be
awesome like that'd be a cool vision

pro idea like let me Be in new york city
right now as it's happening

And again adam lisagor did live video in
immersive for the talk show

two years ago So that's probably
happening,

but I will have to disagree. I enjoyed it.

I'm sorry. didn't enjoy it

I just care more about New York City than
you do.

That's clearly the answer.

that

though them fighting words first of all do
you even have you even had a knish

You just made up those words. Is is a a
can ish the thing that the

See? Everyone who's listening,

who knows?

AI delivered when you ordered a canoe?

The fact that, okay, see I can rest my
case because everyone listening

who loves New York as much as I do,

they know what's up. They know what a
Knish is.

They've bought it from the guy on the side
of the street and they know,

they know.

No, the reason I've never had a condition
is I don't like mashed potatoes.

See, I feel so confident right now that
people,

they're gonna, listen, don't leave us a
one-star review for what Jason said.

Leave a five-star review and tell me the
corner on New York City where

you got your favorite knish. We'll shout
out everyone in the next show.

The all

I've had one from Katz's deli,

which is fine, but I'm just saying I'm
just I've eaten a lot of listen,

That's fine.

New York City street food and I we go back
quite a ways.

No, I'm serious. Like there's listen,

We go back. We go back. Yeah, yeah.

but you know.

Sobret— a Sobret hot dog. Dirty water
hot dog.

I need to— now I need to start another
podcast about New York.

Sure.

And just talk to people about New York.

I gotta start yet another podcast.

You just sent me breaking news,

All right. I did.

Jason. Breaking as we record. What just
happened?

James Murdoch buys half of Vox Media.

There it is.

He bought fox.com,

New York magazine and all the podcasts,

the podcast network, the verge will remain
independent.

So will Eater. I don't know what Eater is,

but.

The Virgil remain independent like they're
not part of this deal?

There's correct.

~ interesting.

So don't know what that means for those
companies,

but it's just we knew that this was this
was rumored that this might happen.

Okay. We talked about it,

But now we know what the podcast network,

Steven, this was the most interesting.

I actually read this while you were
talking about something that I don't
remember.

But the no, it was way before that.

Caniscious, caniscious.

This actually broke about 45 minutes ago.

OK. ~ The Google IOS stuff.

But we didn't have time to talk about it
in the middle of all the other things that

were happening. But ~ the podcast network
generated

OK, all right.

80 million dollars last year.

That's not bad for a podcast network.

That's incredibly good for a podcast
network.

Yeah.

I think there's a lot of podcast networks
that would love to make $80 million.

For sure and that's like waveform and can
be a G's podcast is on the Vox Network

the verge cast

pivot, all of those.

But

does it is the verge cast part of this
deal then?

No, so the network is just a collect a
collective of buying

shows. Yeah, yeah,

up ads like but it's not the shows because
like MKB HD owns his show.

They just buy the ads and put them on
there.

Right, it's the, have, right, right,

That's the the put buying the ads and
putting them places is the thing that

right.

got bought not the shows like pivot Kara
Swisher and Scott Galloway

Right.

own that show right in the verge cast may
the verge cast will stay with

Right, right, right.

the verge I assume but they may still be a
part of the network which will

not just be a part of this other

Right, which you could always leave the
network,

but then it's a lot harder to get ads,

~ usually.

Right, and the

CEO, Jim Bankoff, is going to new company.

okay. Interesting. All right. That's
interesting.

Listen, if anyone wants to buy this
podcast for $300 million,

Interesting.

we're not selling. Well, no, we probably
would.

We will definitely sell for $300 million.

$300 million maybe.

I don't own any of this show, but I will.

Yeah, I'm just I'm just saying $300
million

Do I? The people own this show,

Jason. The people.

is slightly above the line. I'm not going
to tell you where the line is,

It's a lot of money. Slightly.

just just like it was three. Yeah.

but I will tell you 300 million is above
it.

335. I don't know. Might be under.

Also, if you want to own something like a
Plex lifetime pass,

that's now going to be $750. Listen,

Plex, we're going to talk about this in
the bonus episode.

I bought a Plex pass when it was $75
lifetime.

So I own Plex. But right now.

whole company onto it. Steven is the one
raising prices.

I own a That's

right plex lives on my son ology in a
closet.

It's 250 lifetime pass right now.

It's going up to $750 this summer and The
subscription stays

the same $7 per month $70 per year,

you know, I actually bought a bullhorn to
talk about pricing and subscriptions.

You see that Jason? You see my bullhorn

~ Yeah, because well

only because you yeah

I you know people when I did my widget
video on iPhone people

got upset because there were a lot of
subscriptions even though All

the widgets you could use for free except
for the tide guidance So I'm

now doing I'm now doing a bullhorn in
videos whenever I talk about pricing

and so for a plex It is still seven
dollars a month or seventy dollars

per year going up to seven hundred fifty
dollar lifetime purchase

I'm doing bullhorns now

So the bet

is that you're going to live more than 10
years.

I guess but all the reason why I to bring
that up is if you ever think

for a moment I'm gonna try and convince
Jason in the bonus episode that

you will want to use plex in the future
You should just buy the lifetime pass

now for 250 before you have to pay triple
that amount.

That's all I'm saying So there's that
there's that AI and Gen Z we talked about

it last week at length since then
ex-google CEO Eric Schmidt was booed

at a commencement like are you

CF example last week because he talked
about AI and so we will include that
article.

Graduating class not happy. We had a great
email from listener Andrew.

He's Gen Z, graduated in 2024,

so a couple years ago. And he basically
said,

I'm going to quote from his email.

Well, I shouldn't have started here,

but Jason nailed pretty much every point.

I didn't want to say that. I didn't want
to say that.

I love this email.

But this is now Andrew talking in email.

And he did say that. students,

me included, have anxiety whether we're
going to get a job or not,

or if AI is going to take everyone's jobs,

leaving us broke, homeless, and or unable
to survive.

He says he's a young professional,

and he uses AI. He said, like,

I use it, and my kids use it. He's
substitute for Google sometimes,

similar to search engines, everyday
questions.

But for someone who, like, he works in the
world of sales and customer service,

he has no use for AI outside of kind of
that general use or whatever.

~

Yeah, it's a little unsettling for someone
like him who just graduated

a couple years ago. So Andrew,

thank you for that email too. If you're
Gen Z,

if you graduated this year or soon to
graduate or recently did,

we'd love to hear from you too,

your feelings about AI. But yeah,

considering they're booing Eric Schmidt on
stage at a commencement

and this sentiment, does seem like the
younger generation is not as bullish

as AGI is the singularity or whatever.

So how do your kid, I mean, your kid,

Mm-hmm.

your daughter's graduating.

I mean...

We asked, I asked them live on the show,

remember? And they're basically like,

I know you have some live on the show,

like...

depends. And I'm like, that's super,

That's, have they been media trained,

that's super. I know that is super Gen Z
right there.

Jason? Did you give them media training?

I just depends. Don't worry about it.

It depends Don't

worry about it. Well, we would love to
hear from more We'll discuss more

at length when there's not 1 000 google
things to talk about but but keep writing

in Andrew Thank you for that email and
last piece of news before we

get to personal tech We have to mention
the case between elon musk

and sam altman elon lost He lost the case
the

Yeah. We knew this

was gonna happen. No one, I don't even
think Elon Musk thought that

he was gonna win. No, really, like,

Yeah.

but the best part, there's two things that
are good about this.

One, well,

no, there's one thing that's good and one
thing that's bad.

The thing that's good is I think that
there is a perception that,

and there's a reasonable reason for this,

that if you just have enough money and
enough force of personality,

you can just bully your way through
anything.

And this outcome is...

is shows that that's not that's not that's
not true.

I don't think it should be a like the fact
that Elon Musk should have lost this

is in no way an endorsement of anything
Sam Altman has ever done.

I just want to be clear. Okay.

Right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just wanted to be clear about that.

The bad thing about this is that he lost
on essentially a technicality.

So they did not in court. This is the way
courts work.

Red.

If

If you lose on it, if you can lose on a
technicality,

then they don't actually decide on the
actual facts or the law.

Essentially what the jury decided is that
Elon Musk waited too long

to file this lawsuit based on what he was
saying happened.

They did not decide whether the thing he
said happened happened or not.

I wish that they would have, but I
understand why they didn't.

I wish they would have been like,

shove it, you're wrong. But what they said
is,

We're not gonna decide if you're right or
wrong.

doesn't matter. It's too late for us to
make that.

You waited too long.

Statue of limitations seems like an
anticlimactic end to a case like this.

That seemed pretty large. And in the New
York Times article I'll include,

the jury deliberated for less than two
hours.

Like, 12 angry men deliberated more in
their movie than the jury in this.

You're right.

But yeah, it's court, case is over.

~ He lost.

You couldn't have even

watched 12 Angry Men in the amount of time
that they spent deliberating.

That is true. That is true. All right
personal tech air pods Pro 3

I There have not been third-party tips
available for a little while.

I've been using the stock tips They've
been better than air pods Pro 2 for me.

They stayed in my ear better They didn't
fall out as much when I

was walking around grocery shopping as I
do think the tips on the three

Pro 3 are improved over the Pro 2 How's
your been experienced with the Pro 3 tips?

I have never had a problem with any air
pod tips ever.

Never falling out?

I had I've had an air pod fall

out once and happened this week.

And it's because we put sod in our graph.

We we laid some side down getting ready
for an open house.

So you have to walk a slightly different
path in our backyard to get to

the gate to get out. And we have ~
actually I think it's a well,

the scientific name is Florida,

but it's like a dogwood tree or whatever.

Okay.

and a flowering dogwood and I walked too
close to it and one of

the branches just pulled my air pod right
out.

That's literally the only time I've ever
had an air pod fall out.

well that's yes.

You never feel it loosen like if you're
like smiling a lot.

No, but I think about it every time I go
to the bathroom and still have

an AirPod in.

Well, that is yeah, I do become aware

So the comply tips came out recently and
I've used comply tips for all

of my past airpods pro and those have been
great I got them for the three.

They're still great. They're much more
foamy than the stock

pro tips and The foaminess as people have
reported can Get kind of after

a long time, you know I use mine for about
a year and then I want

to get another pair because they're they
get a little nasty the camera's

not gonna be able to see it but ~ but

Thank goodness.

Right, so it'll be good but a lot of
people and apparently Christopher loyal
Lolly

mentioned these to the charge in Chargen
which you can't get on Amazon this

you have to buy directly from charge and a
lot of people said these tips

are even better than the comply tips and
these are kind of more of their hybrid

II whereas the comply tips are basically
all foam the charge in tips It's

got foam and then it kind of has an outer
layer some

new texture whatever a silicone shield so
it's supposedly going to both stay

in your ear and protect the phone from
getting nasty after a while and it also

has a little speaker grill over the thing
as opposed to being totally open

the comply tips are totally open and these
do have a speaker grill

in practice I've not noticed a huge
difference in sound quality because

the speaker grill which is fine but
comfort they're very comfortable I've been

wearing in the last few days

you know how dirty they get over time i
have to report back i do feel like

it doesn't provide as tight of a seal as
the comply like

the comply tips when they expand in my ear
they're like rock solid

and these are good they're solid they've
not fallen out i need

to go grocery shopping with them that's my
true test that's always how i test

my my headphones and i will test the noise
canceling and all of that they're very

comfortable though

They're more secure than the stock tips I
have found.

And ~ that extra layer might help them
stay cleaner.

They do take a second more to expand.

The comply foam tips, when you squeeze
them,

they pretty much expand instantly.

You don't really have to wait for them to
fill your ear.

Let me just try it real quick.

No, they take a while to expand.

If you squeeze it hard enough,

they'll squish down and expand.

The charge in.

It's about the same, know, it'll it'll
expand for a few seconds So you

do kind of have to hold it in your ear for
a second If you want it

to expand in place rather than just kind
of and you can just try to shove them

in there But I like to squeeze them a
little bit before I put them in.

Anyway, they sound good. They feel good.

They're comfortable I'll report back once
I've tested them for more than

a couple days, but they're a great
alternative There are a little pricey like

40 bucks. You do get three pairs in the
box,

but the charging air foams Pro they've
been pretty good and so I'll report back
with

a more thorough review, but

But I do like them, I'll be trying them.

Nice. I'm not going to try them,

but I'm glad you are happy.

Listen everybody's ears are different
Jason everybody's ears

are different sometimes. You know you need
the extra tips so all right

I'm going to go try and convince Jason to
buy planks And so if you want

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