Primary Technology

They made us too smart, too quick,

and too many. Welcome to Primary
Technology,

the show about the tech news that matters.

Google revealed a bunch of features coming
to Android 17 and new hardware,

a Google Book is coming. Alexa is coming
to Amazon to replace Rufus AI.

Meta made some interesting features this
week,

both in Instagram and in Meta AI Chat.

Anthropic is targeting small businesses.

The iPhone 17 is super popular and
education discounts are no longer

an honor system on Apple.

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who support us directly.

I'm one of your hosts, Stephen Robles,

joined by developer with an app in the
store,

Jason Aten. How's it going?

I know

the Mac app got released like hours after
we recorded last week and I've never been

more mad about anything in my life.

But now it's out there.

It is. I said, should I wait?

And should I just, and I'm like,

no, I'm not waiting. It's going out right
now.

No, don't wait. That's it.

Kicking it out the door, fly a little
bird,

fly.

Fly little bird, we're going to talk about
you in a second because it's also

available on the iPhone and the iPad.

It is.

And so we'll talk about that in a second.

But a couple of five star review shout
outs.

Thanks. Podcast 728 from the USA.

Yes, has there ever been a five star
review that has stuck out?

This one did because it was the first one
this week.

So thank you. Also caseless. His ESR case
broke and we've been going caseless.

Are you caseless with the 17 Pro Max?

No, you have a case.

No, I have

a Balroy case on it right now.

You still rocking the Bellroy case?

When I sometimes use the Nomad one.

Were you a little choked up about my
question about the case?

No, I'm I had to take a deep breath.

You sounded a little choked up.

Got emotional.

So don't know why that was funny to me.

So wait, Bellroy. Bellroy Lerner the Case.

I have a Balroy

case and then I also have a Nomad case
that I like but the Nomad one which

is good it it ~ gets a little roughed up
which is good I mean that's fine

It does, yeah, yeah, It's patina.

it just looks really nice but

I'll say this is the first iPhone that
I've gone caseless with,

but then I went with the Moft.

They sponsored a video months ago,

but I actually like it. This is the Moft,

like, MagSafe wallet with FindMy.

So this thing has FindMy, and because
it's,

you know, it's a big phone, the 17 Pro
Max,

I can use it as a little grip thing,

and it's a little stand, and I like it.

So no case for me, but then MagSafe wallet
on the back.

So quick check,

Yeah.

I typically will get a new phone and
generally before the end of the first day,

it's got scratches on it like every like
all the time,

like no matter what the 16 pro like just
scratched to be Jesus like constantly like

Really? That fast?

I don't even understand why 17 pro not a
single scratch.

Okay, well here's the thing. Here's the
check-in.

I have dropped mine a couple times.

Never on cement, but I've dropped it on
like hardwood floor.

I dropped it and it hit like a metal
thing.

The frame of this iPhone 17 Pro Max,

the back and the sides, rock solid.

No dents, nothing. It's great.

And I did drop it pretty hard a couple
times.

There are a couple tiny, not tiny,

you'll never see it on camera.

tiny scratches in this corner here of the
glass,

but that's it. And it, yeah.

But I'm not so in the past when I say I
scratch it up,

I almost never drop my phone like I almost
never do.

It sometimes falls off the arm of the
chair onto the wood floor,

but it's fine. Like that's not iPhones
have been able to handle that for

a very long time. And concrete is the
enemy here.

Yeah, that's right.

Right. Concrete. So just avoid concrete.

Period. You're good. But just in general
use,

That's it.

like inside out of your pocket,

like all that kind of stuff, it would just
get scratched to heck.

And it hasn't anymore. I feel like
whatever invincible ceramic

duo shield plus max they've put on these
things.

Yeah. The ultra. Yeah.

They finally figured it out, Steven.

I think I think they did. My scratches I
think came I did drop it on pavers

one time and I think that was the time it
scratched a little bit.

But honestly like

It's just segmented

concrete, Stephen.

Correct and the scratch Listen,

I've typically been one in the past where
if I have a tiny scratch on

my screen I have to figure out how to like
finagle the apple care

to get a replacement because it'll bother
me and I've been I've been okay I've been

living with it and Anyway, it's not bad
That's right

Then you just drop it again with a hammer.

You can't tell you can't say that can't
say that Listen,

I don't understand why I dropped it on
hammer,

but I did, I'm sorry. I don't understand.

I don't know. I don't know why it hit ten
hammers on the way down after I dropped it

Yeah, the nail puncture, I don't know how
that got there.

The nail straight through it. Okay,

so one of the five-star review from Barty
Burns still the only podcast

He hasn't gotten bored of we take thank
you so much.

I'm glad we're entertaining also important
point regarding

the Midwest John Steinbeck famously said
this is from Barty Burns

the Missouri River separating Mondan,

North Dakota and Bismarck, North Dakota is
the place the US map should fold Which

is good to prove as any that North Dakota
is the Midwest go team

Can I just say Barty Burns definitely
sounds like a character in

a John Grisham book, just to be clear.

Oh yeah, does, yeah, is.

Like, I think that's a great name.

That's a name. And I think, yeah,

you fold it there, that's probably in the
middle.

North Dakota, Midwest, okay. You're very
Midwest,

and Michigan's away on that. No,

We're east of the Midwest. We're the East
Midwest.

no, you're East, right. Yeah,

okay, so Steinbeck was partial.

He wanted more Midwest than there exists,

I think. Anyway.

Yeah, he

was a sad. He was very depressed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. What's not
depressing are these apps I want

to give a shout out. See like that
transition.

Great.

Thank you. A couple listeners,

the virtual boy, thatvirtualboy.com wanted
to shout out his app Diddley.

You can get it on the app store,

Mac and iPhone. It's a fun take on a task
app.

It looks really cool. And so I'm going to
link that down in the show notes.

And I'd heard about this app from several
different creators.

Christopher Lawley covered it on his
YouTube channel and others.

Beam, which is a web browser built

for iPad to work and feel more like a
desktop browser.

It has a bunch of keyboard shortcuts,

which is rare for a lot of iPad apps.

It has built-in ad blocking, sidebar tabs.

We had talked about vertical versus
horizontal tabs.

It's a one-time purchase, no subscription
for six bucks.

But if you're looking for a great browser
on iPad,

this is made by Henrique, who listens to
the show and has listened

to the podcast since the beginning,

which is awesome. I had no idea that we
had a...

Just so many cool, no I did know.

I know we had a lot of cool developers
that listened to the show.

Did not know Beam Creator listens and so
it's awesome.

Also, I just realized I do have this on my
iPad.

You do have, okay yeah, so Jason's been
running this,

Yeah.

yeah. It's a great app. So that's Beam.

That'll be linked down in the show notes.

And one other app I wanna give a shout
out,

I covered this in my video earlier this
week with Contextually for a Mac app,

but Gnome is a pretty fun app.

It's searching and getting GIFs quickly on
the Mac,

which sometimes is, you know, it could be
not seamless.

You know, if you wanna share a GIF in
Slack and or email.

And or some other messaging app.

They don't always have great gif search
and so gnome It's a seven dollar app.

I talked about it in my video,

but yeah, it's a fun little fast gif
search I put it on a keyboard shortcut
shift

option command g and my gif search just
comes right up.

I can get a gif There you go gnome.

Do you say gif or gif?

I think it's a, I don't know.

I don't usually say it out loud.

I feel like it should be GIF, but I think
I usually say JIF.

Hmm. Thank you. Just stop right there.

No.

But I don't actually ever say any of it.

Anyway, I believe it's GIF. Leave us a
five star rating and review

I think that's probably true.

in Apple Podcasts and just say GIF or JIF.

Just put your pronunciation spelled out
with no other commentary in

the five star review. GIF or JIF.

Do you say PNG or ping?

Do say giraffe or go-ra-f?

See, my question was serious, but OK.

Like a PNG, the image format PNG.

Wait, wait, so say it again?

I say P-N-G, I don't say ping.

OK.

Because

ping is like another term. It's like
P-I-N-G.

I'm gonna ping you. Or whatever.

Or like a technical term. Look at that.

I'm gonna take a picture of you and make a
screenshot of it and I'm gonna ping you

Yeah, there's that. and one other shout
out to the Medieval Knight riding

a polar bear, which I'm wearing on my
shirt right now.

It actually made its way on a
transatlantic cruise.

This was ~ Chris Peck, a transatlantic to
Lisbon,

Portugal. There's a little medieval knight
on the polar bear.

12 days.

four straight sea days. And yeah,

he's brought the medieval night along.

Look at that.

That is amazing. I went to Portugal and I
didn't take it with me.

Listen, I left it with my Vision Pro so
everything would be safe.

How did you?

Wow, man, so this is curious. I I knew the
medieval knight had traveled many places

in Europe I don't know if I think I might
have sent one to Australia,

but now it's been transatlantic.

It's crossed the Atlantic Ocean I wonder
can we get it to all seven continents now?

No, Antarctica is going to be a problem.

Listen, I just

watched Chloe Abrams' huge if true video
about Antarctica,

which was incredible. I'm actually going
to ~ link it in

my weekly newsletter podcast, Top 5 Tech.

Let me just shamelessly plug that.

If you like podcasts and you like hearing
me on podcasts,

top5.tech. I've been doing an episode
every week.

But she went there. She went to
Antarctica.

I made a whole YouTube video. think,

okay, here's the thing. We need to confirm
that the medieval knight riding

a polar bear is reaching all seven
continents.

So I know we're in Europe.

We're in the US. If you're in South
America,

Africa, Asia, Australia,

and if there's any possibility that
someone who's going to Antarctica listens

to this show, email me
podcastatprimarytech.fm.

Number one, I'll send you a pin if you can
somehow confirm that you're

in these countries or on these continents,

and I will pay the $8,000 to send you a
pin.

I will, I will send you a pin so we can be
at awesome continents.

The ideal scenario is if you

live in the US and you're going to one of
those continents,

just let us know.

That too, I feel like I want, mean someone
who lives,

because I know we just had a listener from
Japan leave us a five star rating review.

oh, Medieval Knight, all seven continents,

All right.

that's the goal. And last thing,

thank you, Housekeeping for 4K on YouTube.

We reached 4,000 subscribers over there,

which is super fun.

I thought maybe

you just meant we're releasing the show in
4k.

No, that's every week. That's every week,

I just was like, what does this even mean?

No,

YouTube has had 4k for a long time.

no, no, it's every week. All right.

Your app is out live. People can download
it for free.

It's a great app for free. There's a lot
of great free things.

I'm saying that because of my own PTSD
about that.

But you wrote it. Claude code helped solve
my biggest productivity problem.

Jason, how's been the first week of your
app?

Yeah,

it's been really cool. ~ It's weird to
have to have made something and then

to see it for real like in the it was was
kind of like the first time

I wrote a story for ink and it was like
super surreal to be like,

I typed those words. And somebody was
willing to publish them.

What is happening right now? But it's kind
of cool.

Yeah. Right.

It it's been great. So the Mac app
released last Thursday,

it is free to download. It's free to use
forever.

It's if you all you want is a replacement
for I will pitch this the free version

of this app. If all you want is a
replacement for the notes app that stock
note

Apple Notes app that will sync with your
calendar so you can just create notes from

calendar events and change the theme like
maybe you're just tired of looking

at that yellow in the notes app,

right? Then this is perfect. It's a free
app.

You can have up to three notebooks,

unlimited notes.

It'll sync your calendar. can create notes
from your calendar.

You can ignore the calendar part like
that.

If that's not like literally if all you
wanted was a prettier version

of the notes app, this is a great option
for you.

It does have a subscription, five dollars
a month or thirty nine dollars a year.

And for that, you do get some additional
features.

You get smart summaries, which essentially
what it will do is like look

at your note, give you a summary of that
note and then pull out any action items.

So like if you take a lot of notes and
along the way you're like should do this,

need to do this, have this thing
happening,

it'll just give you the

give you that summary at the top and then
it will also pull out action items

and then you can just take those action
items and send them to reminders or

to do as there's things. So it's kind of
like bridging the flow between

I have a thing I have to do and when I go
do that thing I'm going to

get more things I have to do and I need a
way to keep track of all of that.

Steven is using the pepper theme right now
which is I like this one a lot.

Yes.

So that was actually the most fun part was
imagining what the themes should be.

So there are a couple different themes in
here.

~ And so

Yeah.

that the paid version gets that there is a
pretty cool paid feature that will

be it's basically ready but I'm waiting
for WWDC because I think it will

be better after that I'm hoping that they
make some announcements I think

we talked a little bit about that in the
the pre-show so if you want

to listen to that you should go subscribe
to the show but but I've been asked like

why why subscription why not just a
one-time thing that's great I'll just

say this since the app is released last
week I've I've pushed out like

Well, I've already pushed out two updates
to the iPhone version and

I'm pushing out a Mac update today.

like, this is not a just push it out into
the world and forget about it.

So I'm hoping for people who pay for it
that it becomes worth it for them

and that they were like, yeah,

$39 a year. That's not that much money.

it's a well-designed, I think it's a very
well-designed app.

I did not know anything about how to write
code.

I've learned a ton about CloudKit and
iCloud sync.

Right?

I have learned a

ton about the differences between an iOS
app on the iPhone versus

the iPad because there's a lot more to
that.

I mean, it's obvious that there's a lot to
that,

but just having to reimagine, okay,

on a Mac, what should the experience be
like?

On an iPhone, what should the experience
be like?

And on an iPhone, you just want to quickly
be able to take a note,

right? Like, and on the Mac, you want to
be able to organize it

Yeah, there you go.

and get this information out. And the iPad
is kind of an in-between,

right? You have more real estate,

so it should be more Mac-like,

but also it's an iOS app, so there's like
some in-you-can-

I bet is the only one you can rotate the
orientation.

So you really have to think through what
should this interface

Right.

be like horizontally versus vertically.

So I tried to think about all those things
for all of our all the people

Mmm.

who are using it. And so far, I feel like
a lot of people have really resonated with

it. So hopefully I would just encourage
you if you're listening to this,

That's awesome.

you won't offend me if you just download
it for free.

Just like download it, give it a try.

Yeah, yeah.

And then you can I think it's a two week.

You can get a two week free trial of the

of the pro features, I would just
encourage you try the pro features.

Yeah, yeah.

If you hate them, go ahead and just like
cancel.

won't be mad at you.

Yeah, yeah.

This is awesome. What did you use for the
marketing images?

I love the font that you have in some of
these images.

Yeah, yeah, just,

What would that...

well, I just went through and I took
screenshots of the app and then I laid
them

out in the right format in Illustrator and
then just exported them and

put them in there. So yeah,

So you made these like bespoke,

like you made the... That's That's nice.

yeah, all of that is just, so.

It's great fun. So contextually,

I'll put a link to it in the app store
down in the show notes.

Super fun. iPhone, iPad, and Mac.

And as I've been trying to develop my
boondoggle of a second app,

I have to say it is tough when you start
adding things like syncing

and maybe sharing things like from the
share sheet.

it's tough, but great work. It's awesome.

It's awesome app. And I do love that
theme.

Thanks.

It's a good theme. All right.

News now Sony released a new camera.

Uh, we don't have it in hand, but I do
want to mention it's the sony a7r6

And so I will link Gerald undone.

He retired from youtube and then he posted
this video I mean,

it's a collaboration. So it's not
technically like Gerald's video He just
appears

in it and talks about rolling stutter and
and or rolling shutter.

Excuse me uh, yeah, yeah, I I wanted to
shout out because I mean I use a sony

two totally different things, but yeah.

a7 4 still and i've

I've marked myself safe from purchasing a
Sony a75 even though I've been tempted

several times, but I just have no reason
for it.

I literally just keep this camera on this
tripod,

never change any settings, and hit record
whenever I make a video.

But, you know, Sony releases their series
of cameras.

The R comes out first, so the A7R6,

and then they typically will release the
A7-6 without the R,

which is more of a hybrid camera where it
will have,

you know,

more video features than typically the R
series and less megapixels

and then maybe they release an S version
which I don't think an A7s ever came

out I think they're still on the A7s3
which is kind of the the youtuber camera

at least for a long time but the A7R6 it's
out there it's like sixty something

megapixels it can film 8K 30 which is wild
and you know that's

if you wanted to

And it also doesn't overheat they in this
testing I'll link the video with Gerald

undone and Mark Bennett They record over
like three plus hours at 4k

and 30 I think or 4k 60 and it didn't shut
off or overheat.

It was just it was wild. So yeah

a little

polar bear in there just running around
cooling things down.

I mean, I don't know.

polar bear with a medieval night maybe I
don't

Sure.

know and you can you say anything about
this or no you

I don't have any information yet.

I'm hoping to try it out though.

Okay, very good. Yeah,

Like I would love to review this device
so.

Yeah, you should bring it to an F1 race or
something.

That'd be cool.

That'd be

amazing. That is my thing. That is how I
test Sony devices is take them to F1
races.

That's how you do it. just F1 race.

Speaking of someone you have a
relationship with,

Lego, right? No,

I was like, okay, I was like, where are we
going?

no, no, a brand. I just want to mention,

I don't think this is security issue.

My Wi-Fi network name is Minas Tirith
because I'm a Lord of the Rings

fan and I thought that was a fun name.

And Lego announced that they are

making a Minas Tirith set. It's going on
sale June 1st and it looks incredible.

And I've not bought a crazy Lego like
this,

I don't think ever, but I'm pretty
tempted.

I mean that thing looks awesome.

mean, 8,300 pieces is a lot of pieces,

Stephen.

lot of pieces but i mean i could i will
redo my entire studio backdrop over here

and just have minas tirith in the
background of all my videos i mean that
feels like

maybe it's worth it and it's a business
expense too this is a business expense

Yeah. A business. All right.

no just kidding i actually bought the well
go ahead

That's that's gonna be like

the third or fourth largest. Like I said,

there's a couple over there's like two
over 10,000 pieces.

Really?

There's like the Eiffel Tower.

The Titanic is pretty big. There's like
one of the Coliseum and there's like some

map that they have. It's like a world map.

I think that's the largest with like
11,000 pieces or something.

But how many did that thing say?

8300s.

It was 8300

but now I just found LEGO's official top
10 list or top 11,

the biggest LEGOs ever. I had not heard
about this world map.

The world map is over 11,000 pieces.

It was the biggest LEGO set. The Eiffel
Tower.

You just knew this stuff off the top of
your head.

That's wild. 10,000 pieces was the Eiffel
Tower.

I spend a lot of time with Lego.

The company, not the pieces. We have a lot

Yeah, yeah. I mean, but if you could spend
time with the pieces.

of Lego pieces in our house too,

by the way. Literally we have a Lego room,

Stephen. We actually have an entire room
that is just Lego.

Really? I should come up and do a video
about that.

Have I not? We've talked about this for
sure.

That's wild. I don't know. I don't think
we've talked about this.

All right, I'll find a picture.

A LEGO room?

You should let me pick it up. 9,000 pieces
is the Death Star.

The Millennium Falcon, if you were
wondering,

was 7,500. I thought the Death Star would
have been more.

But no, apparently not. Okay, I had no
idea the world map.

That Titanic. That's crazy. Anyway.

Here

we go. I found you a picture of our Lego
room.

Can I show this online or people?

Yeah, I don't care. We have an entire
room.

This is pretty old, so there's probably
more newer,

but I'll just send this to you.

Did you text this to me? Okay,

So I just did. Yeah.

I'll wait for it to come through and then
we'll pop it up,

but I'll use it.

It'll come

through right now, dude. It doesn't take
that long.

The internet you're 6000 megabyte per
millisecond.

It takes a while. It's not

me, it's iMessage. It's now dealing with
all those end-to-end encrypted

RCS messages, which we're going to get to
next.

so it can't... ~ this... Now,

this almost looks like the Lego movie
setup,

you know what mean? Where Will Ferrell
comes down and yells at his kids.

This one's pretty, this is a relatively
old photo,

but yeah, then we have a whole Lego room.

then if you go like to the right of this,

you can't see is just a lot more Lego sets
in those bins.

That's

pretty sweet. Actually, there's a small
Lego area in my parents' house that we've

just kept up. It has a castle and stuff,

but man. Lego Room. If you have a Lego
room,

send us a picture. I'd love to see that.

That's super fun. All right. Software
updates.

Oh, before we get to that, actually,

I wanted to mention Apple Vision Pro just
for a brief minute because

iOS 26.5 came out. Software updates for
everything.

I do turn on my Vision Pro to update the
software when the occasion calls.

While I was there. I knew that there were
several immersive videos that come

out and there was one on Sweden We know
Switzerland excuse me.

There's a Switzerland one and New York
City,

and I just want to shout out that they are
both Awesome,

have you watched either of those?

No, but I will as soon as we're done.

The Switzerland one is beautiful.

You know it talks about the Alps it shows
cities and towns the narrator

is a actress I believe a Swiss actress is
a great one

The New York City one, I'm from New York.

have, you know, I feel very connected
there and I was very curious how they
would

do a New York City immersive video and
they nailed it because there's actually

no narration. It's literally just sounds
and sights of the city.

And if you've ever been in New York City
or if you know it well,

they really captured it accurately.

Like it feels like New York City.

And again, if you've been there,

New York feels like an organism.

Like the whole city just kind of feels
like a living thing.

And the immersive Applevision Pro thing,

show, one of the ~ experience,

I forget what it is. There's Boundless and
then there's,

what's the other one? Boundless is a
series of like the hot air balloons and
stuff.

And then there's the one with the high
line and everything.

I have no idea. don't I don't use the

It's a series.

I don't use that. I go into the Apple TV
app in my vision,

bro, though I was really excited because
people kept talking about

how what's the movie that was the big the
space movie Hail Mary was out on.

Project Hail Mary.

Yeah, it was out on Amazon Prime,

but it's to.

Yeah, or you can buy- you should just buy
it because it's great.

Hold on. I need to find-

it's boundless- what is the other one?

This is gonna drive me nuts. It's the-

it's the one with the high line and...

Someone is yelling at you right now
listening to this.

I'm yelling at myself. AppleVision Pro
immersive video,

the high line, tell me the sear-

anyway. It's the one- it's that one.

It's the series with the high line.

It starts with an E, I forget what it is.

It'll just pop into my head. But anyway,

the New York one, if you have AppleVision
Pro,

I think some of our listeners and viewers,

or if you've never done an AppleVision
Pro,

who knows how long it'll be around.

So maybe just go to the Apple Store and
try it out.

But the Switzerland one and the New York
City one are really great.

And so I just... Thank you! See,

Elevated, is that what it is?

I knew it started with an E, elevated.

I don't know how you... I was literally
Googling feverishly over here.

I'm just better at Google than you.

Apparently, apparently, Gemini
Intelligence.

You

have no idea.

Apparently

so also with iOS 26.5 for your iPhone
There is now end-to-end encryption

for RCS messaging Apple says it's
supposedly in beta But Google made

a big deal about this when 26.5 came out
earlier this week on Monday.

It is on by default I updated to 26.5 on
all my devices,

but my iPhone like they're toggled on you
can go to settings apps messages

And you can see it there, but yeah,

that's great and also I saw the splash
screen for ads in Apple Maps

Now I have not seen any ads in Apple Maps
yet.

think that's coming this summer,

which I don't, you Apple considers summer,

what, June 21st probably too. Anytime
between November.

Any time between now and November is
summer.

So you will see an ad. If you see an ad in
Apple Maps,

take a screenshot and send it to us.

I'd be curious. I have not seen any yet.

There's also suggested places now in Apple
Maps.

So as soon as you tap the search box in
Apple Maps,

it will just show suggested places,

even if you've not asked it anything.

And so right now I'm...

showing Jerry's Barbecue, can't see it on
the screen,

it's too bright, but Jerry's Barbecue and
Bob Evans.

Those are my suggested places.

I would not go to Bob Evans, but anyway,

that's that. Also, they featured some
developers ~ recently.

They had a whole article featuring
developers in the community

and spotlighting them. The developer of
Mercury Weather was included

in that roundup. But now they're also
apparently forming a team where Apple

Ads is courting developers and the team is
called the

emerging team, the new emerging team group
that's going to reach

out to developers to see if they want to
like,

you know, do ads on Apple services.

I don't know. I feel like the ads in the
app store have not historically been
great,

but maybe, I don't know, maybe they're
going to do new ones.

Maybe.

Would call me guys because here's the
thing when when your app gets released

in the app store You get an email and it
says welcome to the app store.

Yes.

Here's a hundred dollar credit to use for
Apple ads.

I was like sweet I'll spend it.

~

I'll spend a credit like I mean,

whatever so I set it up and When I log in
to look at my Apple ads account,

Interesting. Yes.

it shows me that I have an ad running

Okay.

And it shows me that it has been shown
exactly zero times and it's been clicked

What?

on exactly zero times and I have gotten
exactly zero.

It's like, so whatever, I just don't
understand.

What does it mean if an ad is running and
it's never been shown to anyone?

Evan... If a tree falls in the forest...

This doesn't, I feel like the definition
of running is like.

kind of loosely held here because I don't
understand what's happening.

anyway, call me Apple ads people because I
would like to use this.

You have thoughts?

I will I just would like to burn this
hundred dollar credit to the ground.

And if that means that some people
actually now maybe the problem is that

you have to tell it like what your bid
amount is and maybe

~

25 cents was too low. And so they're never
going to show it was not 25 cents.

But maybe they're just never going to show
my ad.

I will say I just searched for Markdown
Notes,

which I guess, I don't know if you have
Markdown anywhere in your,

you probably have to target that keyword
if you wanted that to show up.

Hmm.

But I saw, I'm seeing ads for Note Plan,

which I'm familiar with, and Coco Note,

an AI note taker. saw two, I've never seen
two ads one right after another

in the search, App Store search.

If you're watching, there's actually the
Note Plan ad bare right in the middle,

not an ad.

and then Coco Note, which I've never heard
of.

I've never seen a double ad like that.

Coconut, that's a clever name,

like coconut.

yeah, like a coconut, that's good name.

I don't see context in it. You should add
Markdown to your description

or your things or whatever.

Okay. I'm just gonna have to write this
down.

Just give Jason more work. You're
developer.

Yeah, I just don't understand.

It's like, ~ wait. Okay, here we go.

No, wait, seriously spend zero.

So maybe I need to change my target CPA.

it has been shown 14 times now.

Yeah, change that. okay.

So I think that means that my bid is too
low.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, raise that bit.

I'm going to increase my bid to $120
because that's my daily budget.

There you go. All right. Well,

have fun. you see an ad for context,

take a screenshot of that stuff.

And then don't

click on it, but scroll down and find
context and click on that.

Please.

That's it. That's it.

So Google had like an Android event,

not really an event this week,

but it's like the Android 17 features.

It's like a pre-IO. Google IOS next week.

Jason's going to be there in person,

so he'll be reporting on the ground.

But they talked about all the new features
coming to Android specifically this week.

And I want to get to that. But before we
do,

I also want to show that the Google book
was teased.

Now, if you remember...

Google has made Chromebooks for a long
time.

There was high-end Google laptops,

namely the Pixelbook. Did you ever have a
Pixelbook?

Did you ever play around with one?

No, mean, well, other than like at Best
Buy,

they used to sell them.

Literally had a pixel book. I was working
at a place where I could ask

to have a laptop bought for me And I had a
pixel book bought I have

no idea where that thing went because I
might have returned it Because

it was not useful in my work specifically,

but the hardware of the pixel book was
spot-on I really liked the hardware.

It was a great keyboard trackpad You know
it was like Intel i7 you know

it wasn't like the newer silicon you could
use now But Google's gonna run it back,

and they're gonna try and make another
high-end laptop

This time, instead of calling it the
Pixelbook,

it's the Google Book, which I feel like
that name is not ideal.

It's kind of hard to say Google Book.

You know what mean?

Yeah,

the name is well, I mean, it's very
Google.

Like literally, it's in the name,

but also like Google is not. Every time I
try to tell you about this Google

hub nest Max Pro home thing I have,

Re re re.

I I literally have had this thing for
years.

I have no idea what it's called.

So like

Which also

Google has a product called Google Books,

which is buying books from Google.

Right.

And so now this is just Google Book,

all one word, no camel case. Book is
lowercase,

so it's just Google Book, all one word.

But it's now being pitched as hardware
designed for Gemini Intelligence.

And Google has now started calling their
AI Gemini Intelligence,

a la Apple Intelligence. And we're get
more into some of the features that

are coming to Android because of Gemini
Intelligence.

But they're going to try and do this
again.

They're going to say, yes, a high end
laptop,

a Google book is worth it because of
Gemini intelligence and all the things
that

you can do with it, like custom widgets
and running Android apps.

And of course, it's Chrome and Google Docs
and all the Google software and services.

They didn't really show it like clearly.

We kind of just have teased imagery.

There's a teaser video and we see like up
close shots of the keyboard,

the trackpad. There's like a glowing
Google colored

light on the outside which looks kind of
cool you know maybe kind of like trying

to show like how Apple on the logo with a
used to glow now we're gonna have

a glowing Google book Google line or
whatever so we'll see they're not have

a ton of information on it but they're
gonna try the high-end laptop thing again

Google book

I don't

I do not understand this. I know,

Google Book. Now I'm just kind of having
fun saying it,

but... Google Book.

but I. Great,

I still don't understand it anymore.

You can say it as many times as you want.

But so people did not buy Pixel.

I mean, excuse me, Chromebooks,

because they were amazing and they were
premium.

They did it because they were disposable.

Like literally schools buy these things
because when you break them,

Correct. Correct.

they cost less than feeding you for a
year.

You school lunches.

Yes, that's correct. That's correct.

like seriously, like they are just
garbage.

They're cheap. They're cheap.

We have

had so many Chromebooks and and my one of
my daughters is using an into

the last generation Intel MacBook Air.

And it makes the Chromebook look like a
dinosaur with arthritis that

fell down and can't get back up.

Like the Chromebooks are so bad,

That's rough. That's pretty rough.

but people buy them because they're super
cheap.

Super cheap, yeah.

And if everything you need to do on a
computer can be done in Chrome.

which unfortunately is what most of us
have to tolerate,

then a Chromebook is fine for that.

It's like fine if all you need to do is
Gmail and Google Slides,

which again is a depressing way to live.

But a Chromebook is fine for you,

but you didn't buy it because you're like,

gosh, you know, this is a great machine.

I just I really love this thing.

And using Chrome is not a great
experience.

Like none of those things are wonderful.

So now they're like, well, what if we just
said that this is a AI laptop,

which

Then there's this weird dynamic where
didn't Microsoft try that?

And everyone was like, we don't want that.

Copilot PCs was a real thing. And nobody
cared.

Yeah, that's real thing. Yeah,

that is true. That is true.

Literally nobody cared.

I mean, I would maybe Google has a better
shop because it's Google.

But one of the big issues is to sell a
premium laptop.

I imagine this is going to cost over a
thousand dollars.

People expect it like when they buy an
iPad that costs a thousand dollars

to do computer things. And historically,

from my time working at Riverside,

one of the issues we had is anytime
someone was trying to do

a Riverside recording and

Like, you would go through the questions
and be like,

what browser are you using? We're using
Chrome.

Okay, great. Are you using a USB mic?

Yes. Like, all the questions seemingly
would be correct,

and then they would say, ~ well,

I'm using a Chromebook. And it was
immediately like,

~ shoot. And... Or even a Windows PC,

Yeah, throw it away and go buy a MacBook
Neo.

because even those, you could connect a
USB mic and Riverside could do its,

like, recording to the browser cache and
all of that.

So, it remains to be seen if you buy this
expensive Google Book.

Will be able to do computer things like
connecting an audio interface

and recording a podcast You know people
like doing Jason recording podcast people

love recording podcast people like doing
video calls and using fancy microphones

and stuff And so like can this expensive
laptop do that stuff so that remains

to be seen? Yeah, I don't feel like
Pitching it as an entire like

an AI device Okay You know you can do a
lot of AI stuff on your Mac

now to like Claude You can give Claude
cork full control of your Mac

Right.

And I don't know what Gemini intelligence,

what advantage it's going to have on a
Google book as opposed to cloud code

or co-work on a Mac. But we'll see.

I'm interested in the hardware.

Yeah,

I just don't understand what they think
the market is for this because there

has not been any other than like nerds.

There's not an abundance of people out
there like I would like AI on my computer,

right? Like, in fact, we just talked about
like the younger people are like,

get the AI the F away from me.

Yeah.

Like it's just I don't want any of this.

And so I don't think that this is going to
be the direction that makes

a lot of sense. I think that we the Apple
has proven that what people really want

is an inexpensive computer that is not
garbage.

And so they just make Chrome, and this
isn't even gonna run Chrome,

it's gonna basically run Android.

Right, they say Chrome OS, but I'm not
even sure what Chrome OS is today.

I don't know, but it's like

it'll just run your Android apps that are
on your phone if you if

you don't even download them. And I'm
like,

I don't know what that even means.

I mean, it could be like iPhone mirroring,

But like, yeah, and which is fine,

like on the Mac now.

but it's not the primary way I want to use
any app.

No, I will say anytime I see a
notification on my Mac and I click

it just reactively and it opens iPhone
mirroring,

I immediately quit and I say, no,

stop. I don't want to do that.

I actually don't. Do you ever use iPhone
mirroring on your Macs?

~

Yes, the only time I use iPhone mirroring
is when I'm too lazy to find

my phone and I need the two factor code
and I open Microsoft Authenticutter.

from the Microsoft Authentic? ~ I

Yep, that's it. It's only time I do it.

don't have to have that use case,

but if I did, I would get that.

That's it. That's the only time I ever use
it.

This is not iPhone mirroring, but the
other feature I do like is if there's

a live activity, like an Instacart
delivery,

and I can get the live activity on my Mac
in the menu bar,

that's cool. Correct, that's not iPhone
mirroring.

but you don't have open the app to do
that.

It just does it automatically.

It's just a continuity feature.

just, yeah, it just does it. The

main, well, the reason I don't think this
is gonna be like a great experience

for people is if you've used iPhone
mirroring,

it takes like 45 minutes for it to open
and to boot up and to do its thing.

And I understand the reasons why it's
like,

Yeah, it's streaming video.

whatever, but I'm just like, I'm like,

by now I could have gone and found my
phone.

Yes, yeah, it is not a seamless,

and that's why I can typically quit it
before it even loads the home screen,

Yeah.

because it's trying to load. I should see
if I could turn that off.

There's probably a setting to turn off
notifications.

I will say building and running

an app in Xcode in the simulator is faster
than iPhone mirroring.

It's pretty close.

I don't know about that. Well,

it depends. On the

Mac Mini that I'm screen sharing too,

it's slow, but that's a slow Mac Mini,

anyway. All right, so we're gonna talk
more about the reaction to AI because

I found a video on social media of a
college commencement and it's pretty
telling.

And plus Meta is trying a bunch of other
weird features,

both AI and Instagram instance,

which is weird. But anyway, we're gonna
get to all of that.

But before we do, we have some friends to
thank.

And the first one is talking about
meetings and maybe recording them,

transcribing them.

Granola. Granola is the way it's an AI
notepad for people in back-to-back
meetings.

So if you have to do a ton of meetings,

you know the struggle, you're trying to
take notes,

whether there's actually valuable
information or not,

but there's probably an action item that
you need to take away from the meeting,

and granola is going to help you do that.

It's an AI powered notepad built for the
way real people actually meet,

and here's how it works. You take rough
notes,

you you could take your notes in bare,

contextually, that's what you should be
doing.

You should be taking your notes in
contextually.

course.

But granola will transcribe the meeting.

turns everything into a clean,

structured, actually useful notes when the
meeting ends.

And the best part, and this is what really
sets Granola apart from

lot of other services, it works with your
device's audio.

So it's not something that has to
integrate with Google Meet or Zoom.

It's just going to work seamlessly into
whatever video conferencing tools

you already use. If it's something
proprietary,

if it's something weird like WebEx,

it'll work with all of that. There's no
setup,

no awkward bots. And you can actually
listen instead of frantically typing every

word and still walk away.

knowing exactly what was decided.

I've tried a lot of different apps that
maybe record your meetings and

do all this kind of stuff. Granola is one
of the best and especially because

it works on that like system level
recording the audio,

you don't have to think about whether it's
compatible with whatever other virtual

meeting platform you're using.

So if meetings are eating up your day,

Granola is a no-brainer. You can try it
totally free for three months.

Just head to granola.ai slash primary.

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And thanks to Granola for sponsoring this
episode and our friends at Anthropic,

the makers of Claude. Yes, they're
sponsoring this episode.

They've not sponsored any other part of
this episode where we're talking about
them,

but they're sponsoring this part.

And I will say it is how, I mean,

Jason literally wrote how Claude code help
them build an app.

Yeah, and by the way, I paid for it just
to be clear.

That's right, yeah.

I paid for the Max

whatever super version.

Jason paid for it to help him buy up his
app I want to talk about something

I recently built with Claude namely a
Lincoln bio site on my website I've built

several parts of my own website now with
Claude asking it to build like YouTube

video Carousels on my home page asking it
to redo my smart home web page I

do a ton of stuff with Claude and I do a
bunch of stuff with Claude co-work Which

now has a great MCP for bare notes and
fast mail

I now have scheduled tasks in cowork where
it looks through my email.

It can read and not write. You you can
choose what kind of permissions

you give Claude cowork. And so it can look
at my email and I tell it every

day it runs a scheduled task. Find any
email that looks like a sponsor.

And because those are kind of hard to find
in that mess of emails,

draft an email to that. And now I can just
go to my drafts folder in the mail

app on my iPhone and I can see all the
sponsors that have reached out that day.

There's a draft email there from Claude
and then I can

You know edit the email attach whatever
and it works great so schedule tasks

and cloud co-work have great MCPs plus it
can just natively connect

to things like Gmail Google Docs I
actually use it now to even crop

the photos of the chapter artwork So I
save a bunch of photos and now the

way we do the show with Apple video in
Apple podcasts I have to crop

the photos as squares, but I wanted to
focus on the subject I asked Claude Cork

to do that. I literally pointed out a
folder with a bunch of images I

say hey crop all these images as a perfect
square

And Claude Cowork just does it.

And I haven't looked at the script once
this whole time,

so I'm not... I think that was all
personal experience and it's

all features that you can do. Claude
Cowork,

Claude Code, it has all of that.

Plus, I've been using Dispatch,

which is pretty cool. You can basically
message your Mac at home from

the Claude app on your iPhone and say,

hey, run this thing, do this, and Dispatch
works great too.

So that's all we've been doing.

We just use Claude all the time.

And so what you do is go to Claude.ai
slash primary and check out Claude Pro.

which includes access to all the features
that I talked about in today's episode.

I think Jason and I both pay for Macs,

but that's just so get the higher token
and you get more usage.

But Pro has all those features.

So if you're ready to have an AI that can
tackle real work,

try Claude. Co-work today, Claude.ai slash
primary and check out Claude Pro.

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Hey, guess what?

Hey Stephen, guess what?

Spark, my personal email app of choice now
has a CLI and it works with Cloud Cowork.

~

So you don't have to only use your fast
mail or your Gmail accounts.

You can just use them all.

That's pretty good. Listen, I'm using it a
lot.

I use it a lot. I'll just be real.

I do a lot of scheduled tasks,

too. But we'll get to the website I built
in a minute,

which is bio site. But I do want to
mention the other Google I.O.

Android 17 features. So MKBHD posted a
video about the new features.

I'll link his video. The Verge also had an
article kind of running down

all the new features. But Android 17,

it has more Gemini intelligence.

There's that word again.

So there's going to be a lot more,

like a redesign of Gemini intelligence.

There's a lot more task automation.

I did a video with the Samsung Galaxy S26
Ultra talking about task automation where

you can literally use apps for you,

like use the Starbucks app, use the
DoorDash app,

and it was actually decent. Well,

there's going to be more of that task
automation coming in Android 17.

There's AI widgets where you can literally
ask Gemini to make a custom widget.

Curious how many...

things you can ask it to do so that'll be,

remains to be seen, maybe you'll see some
on Google I.O.

next week. They also have a thing called
Pause Point.

So trying to help people with their
digital well-being.

Pause Point, can literally tell Android
17,

listen, these apps, whether it's Instagram
or TikTok,

these are distracting. And so whenever I
go to open it,

start a timer, and you can even tell it to
like show you nice pictures of your kids,

your family, or your pets or whatever.

And it'll be like, do you really want to
open this app?

And do you really want to do a scroll
right now?

So you can have your Android phone
basically,

like, ~ not bully you,

not coerce, but gently guide you away from
the app that you just tried to open,

I guess. That seems funny to me.

That's that's great. The things that we
have

That's great. That's pause point.

~

built on top of our inability to just have
self control.

You said it, Jason. That should be your
book title.

I, that's a very long book title.

That's it. Well,

I mean, listen, I got one of your
headlines over here and it's a very long,

well, sub headline. Totally, okay,

It's totally different. It's not printed
with ink on a cover of a book.

sorry. That is true. ~ you know,

I got Joanna Stern's, ~ I'm Not a Robot
book and I started reading it.

It's I should have brought it with me,

but it's on my nightstand because I was
reading it.

Screen reactions, another feature.

This is something that TikTok and
Instagram like lets you just do as

you record in the app.

But Android 17 will let you do just on the
phone where you can kind

of have yourself as a cutout picture and
picture over whatever else

is on your phone. Kind of cool that you
could just do that because then

you can post it to all the social
platforms and you don't have to like make

it in TikTok or make it in Instagram.

So that's screen reactions. AirDrop is
coming to more Android devices.

Supposedly easier switching from iPhone,

although some of the parts of that
switching requires an Android 17 device.

And so that will be coming once Android 17
comes out.

And, you know, Google has all the AI stuff
like Gemini,

including that transcription type stuff.

And so they have a new feature called
Rambler,

which is going to let you transcribe to
your Android phone,

but then it's going to clean up the
transcription by removing filler words
like,

or ~ So you will have a clean
transcription versus kind of the raw
thing,

which is interesting. It's an interesting
thing,

I guess, you know, but if you wanted to
write an email or maybe write a blog post,

but you want to like dictate some of it on
Android,

you can.

Start it here, it'll clean it up so you
don't have filler words and then yeah,

there you go. That's cool.

Yeah, it's cool. mean, I'm looking forward
to seeing how some of these things roll

We'll see.

out next week. A lot of times at Google
I'll they'll have actual devices

you can play around with and stuff.

That's true.

So we'll see.

We'll see. Yeah, I'm excited to...

Are we going to... We should probably talk
about this offline.

Are you going be able to record next week?

Yeah, it'll be fine.

You record from the plane?

I

will record from somewhere. Listen,

I have recorded a lot of places for this
show,

That is true. That is true. Thank

Stephen. I will not let you down now.

you. Thank you. I've recorded in several
hotel rooms,

one over when I did the NASA launch and
podcast conferences.

I think I've recorded

twice from Portugal, once from Denmark,

once from CES live with Stephen.

There you go.

Yeah, we did. Live from the show floor.

We finally did it.

We did that and then we also did live from
a table in the hotel room.

in the hotel room, but we didn't release
that video because it didn't look great.

~ that's right. Well, we still recorded
there.

We did record that video. We did,

Yeah.

yeah, we still recorded it. All right,

that was all the Google news. Now,

some other small AI things. Amazon is
moving Alexa into

its Amazon shopping experience.

If you've gone into the Amazon app or
shopped online,

you know that there's like the Rufus AI,

which is like the dog, which I'm not sure
the history of that.

There's like a lot of dog-related stuff in
Amazon.

if you don't, if a page doesn't load,

there's like the dog, sorry, come back
later or whatever.

but they're replacing Rufus by Rufus with
Alexa,

which makes sense. mean, Alexa is Amazon's
AI,

just put it there. But it can also do some
cool things,

like if you want to watch the pricing of
an item,

the Alexa in the Amazon app will be able
to give you price alerts.

And you can even tell it things like add
this to my cart when the price falls below

a certain amount, which that feels like
actually useful AI tools.

don't know if calling it AI feels like a
little,

a little gracious. I mean, it's basically

computer watching the price and then
adding to cart when it hits a number like

Yeah.

if this is artificial intelligence,

I mean, okay

This

is I wrote this article three years ago.

It's just computers doing computer things.

It's

computer doing computer things,

but a cool computer thing and yeah great
that it's actually built in and

Yeah.

so yeah I mean I've been using like change
detection.io with push cuts

to do this kind of stuff But now you can
maybe do it directly in Amazon,

so it'll be a better AI experience Yeah

But for real, actually

think, so I just had this experience
recently,

right? Putting out an app. My app is not
on par with amazon.com.

Yes. Yeah.

Let's just be clear. But well,

Design wise, I would say it's better.

Just throw that out there.

that 100%. But it's like,

what does Casey list is things like IMDB,

but made by somebody who was some self
respect or something like that.

That's like, which is a great like
conception.

That's right. Yes. Yeah.

But it's like, I actually was thinking

there are features in the app.

There's at least one feature in the app
that uses Apple intelligence.

And the only reason I tell you that is so
that you know what's happening

to your information. And it's happening on
a device.

And there is the option to opt into using
OpenAI for that feature if

you have like really long notes that would
just be better handled

by something more powerful than Apple
intelligence.

But, and that's opt in, it won't send in
your data unless you choose that.

Yeah.

But my point is I try to not make a

big deal about the fact that there's AI
happening because it's like,

Right.

no, this is just something that this app
should just do.

It's not like a marketing buzzword.

So it's like, wish that companies would
just stop trying to push the AI

and just be like, no, you know what the
logical feature here is?

You're looking for a thing. We could just
ping you when it's available.

One of the things in Joanna Stern's book,

The Intro, she talks about how tech CEOs
were talking about AI from like 2018

to 2021, kind of before the Chachapi tea
revolution came out.

And all the CEOs were extremely bullish.

And even after Chachapi tea went wild and
all of that,

mean, Satya Nadella and Microsoft,

Bill Gates, obviously Sam O'Neill,

they were all talking about how like,

oh, 80 % of jobs will be gone in five
years.

And Sam, you know, they would talk about
artificial general intelligence a bunch.

And in retrospect, just looking back at
those comments just a couple years later,

it's so clear like, no, I don't think
that's going to happen.

And I even, I found this ~ Instagram
account.

It's this guy basically asking the voice
assistant Chachapiti to

do things and realizing how silly it is.

It would ask it like how many E's are in
the word 17.

And it would get it wrong. It would say
there's three E's when there's really
four.

But then he would go further and he would
say,

you know, actually I just counted them.

There's actually five E's in the word 17.

And ChatGPT will just agree with him.

And then sometimes it'll try to correct.

you

And then it would ask it like,

say the word click 65 times. I need to
click a button 65 times.

I don't want you to count it out for me.

ChatGPT voice mode will like refuse to do
it.

I asked it too. And it was like,

I'm not doing that. That's too repetitive.

It's like, oh, excuse me, ChatGPT.

I didn't know you're too good for that.

did it. Yeah, I didn't know that standard.

I didn't know you had standards.

I asked Claude.

To be honest, Claude did it. He just said
the word click 65 times without

any pushback, so there's that.

But just like sometimes when you hit the
edges of what these things are capable of,

you realize like, ~ I think we're still
safe for a while.

I think we're good. I think we're good.

Yeah.

Yeah. And I feel like the I don't know.

We're safe for a while. But I just think
about like,

why is watching when an item

is available an AI feature? Amazon knows
when an item is available.

It has a big giant database that says
items available seven.

Right. And like, it's like, as soon as
that number is not zero,

just send me an email. Like, that's not an
AI feature.

Right, computers have been able to do that
for a very long time.

It's not a complicated thing. You don't
need something quote watching this.

Why do I keep doing the fake? I'm so
sorry.

But it's like, why would I? Look,

That's it.

I don't need this is not an AI features.

What I'm trying to say. And if they're
making an AI features just because they
want

Yeah, yeah.

to say they have an AI feature,

this is just a database monitoring
feature.

Absolutely.

Yeah, and when it can parse long strings
of whatever,

of what I'm saying, like I saw,

think one of the things that talked about
Gemini intelligence,

like you can say, remind me to do this at
this time and add this thing

to my calendar and it can do both things.

And I'm like, okay, well that's feels like
a low bar,

but sure. That's cool. That's cool.

Yeah, exactly. Feels like a very low bar.

guess. Speaking of low bars, here's some
new features from Meta.

Mark Zuckerberg posted on threads.

just couple days ago, they're launching
incognito chat with Meta AI.

And so you can download the Meta AI app,

which apparently I had never downloaded I
guess.

You need the Meta AI app if you use like
Meta Ray Bans and stuff.

And so you might see like your favorite
creators uses Meta AI.

It's probably because they have the
glasses.

I don't think they're just using this app
like ChatGPT.

But Meta AI is there and now you can do
incognito chat,

which Mark Zuckerberg says, your entire
conversation is end to end encrypted

if you go into incognito chat,

not even Meta.

can see the conversation and nothing is
stored,

which apparently if you do like incognito
chat in chat GPT and or Claude,

those chats still sit on servers from
seven days to 30 days depending

on the service. So Zuckerberg is trying to
say like their privacy focus like these

chats, we can't see it at all and then
encrypted and we don't save them

on our servers at all. So have your
incognito chat with Meta AI.

What could go wrong?

I do feel like there's been several court
cases where there's been unfortunate

situations where a young person has used
chat GPT or other chat bots

and ended up hurting themselves because of
what it said.

I feel like having this incognito chat,

one, maybe it's like for meta side,

they would not be liable because they're
like,

we don't have access to the chats at all.

But I also feel like this is not for good
reasons,

right?

I feel

like this is like a new bakery opened up
and they're like,

we have the best donuts. In fact,

they're so good and we want you to have
them that you can come in

and we'll close our eyes and you can just
take whatever you want.

It's like, why are you doing this?

~ It seems that,

Like this is like the only reason they're
doing this is like.

the donuts taste really bad and no one was
coming into the store to use it.

So like, well, what if we just pretended
like you weren't here while you were here?

The most annoying thing is when you open
Instagram and it's like,

you have some notifications and you tap on
it and it's like,

Steven Robles is using Meta AI.

I'm like, Steven Robles is not using Meta
AI.

I'm not. If you see the notifications.

I know Steven Robles and I promise you
he's not.

I am not.

Did he

download the app? Maybe, but I guarantee
you he's not using it.

I doubt it.

And if what you're saying is he used it,

is you open the search on Instagram and
type something in,

which is by the way, now an option for
MetaAI,

you're making a leap that's too far here,

Yes.

buddy. He's not using it. And so they just
are so consumed with the idea that people

That's exactly right.

have to be using their AI. And the only
reason is...

They just, all of these companies think of
our attention as a zero sum game.

And in some ways it is, but as a human,

I don't want to spend all of my time in
one app.

I'm okay with the fact that I have,

I go outside every once in a while.

I go outside every time I walk from my
office to the house,

You touch grass. That's it. That's it.

right? And it's like, I don't need meta AI
for that.

And the example that Zuck uses in this
image,

someone's asking Meta AI in incognito
mode,

how do I talk to my roommates about
splitting household costs?

I don't know why that's so private that
you don't want Meta to ask.

Although, to play my own devil's advocate,

it is sometimes creepy when you have these
kinds of conversations with,

I feel like Gemini does it the most.

where it will use past context and
conversations to then like throw

in random facts in later requests and ask
like,

as someone who uses a Sony a7 IV,

did you want, like it'll just throw that
in to like kind of prove that

it knows me well and I don't like those.

And so maybe it's trying to get around
that aversion but no one's using MetaEye

Yeah, maybe maybe

for this.

you open it one the next time and you're
like,

let's you're sitting down with your
roommate and you're like,

let's see if we can find a Mac mini
because they're super hard to find right
now.

And it's like meta eyes responses like,

I found one and maybe you can get your
stingy roommate to front half of the cost.

Exactly. Yeah,

And you're like, shoot, sorry.

yeah, yeah, probably would do that.

So that's the Meta AI incognito mode and
then Meta also introduced Instance

for Instagram. This is both a new feature
and an app.

It is a whole standalone app called
Instagram Instance.

If you download the app, which I did,

along with Meta AI, just so I could talk
about it on this podcast,

Instance are like, I'm actually going to
do an instant of me recording this podcast

right now.

You basically take a picture and you send
it and it disappears.

It only goes to friends, meaning people
you follow on Instagram that also follow

you, and it is... whatever.

It's like a Snapchat thing because it
disappears as soon as someone sees it.

People can react to it and like heart it
or whatever.

It's in the DMs of Instagram, which I know
Meta has said that like Instagram

DMs is where a lot of the activity on
Instagram happens,

which as someone who uses many chat
automations and

people comment asking for my shortcuts to
download.

There are a lot of messages there,

a lot of messages that I don't look at
because it's all automated,

but they're there and I know a lot of
people do the mini chat stuff.

I don't know. I don't know why.

I guess this is Snapchat competition play,

like, ~

Well, and the announcement was something
like people are no longer focused

on their grid. And it's like, well,

that's because you stopped making it
possible for people to post stuff

Right? Yes.

to their grid. You go to the hit.

First of all, you move the post button
around all the time because

you think what you really came to
Instagram to do is shop or something
stupid like

Right.

that. It's like, no, stop moving the
button around.

Right, right.

The reason no one's posting to the grid is
they can't find the button

to post to their grid. Maybe maybe that
makes me very Gen X fine.

Right.

But the other thing is you tap the button
and it's like you wanted to post

a reel and you're like, no,

post a post, you definitely wanted to post
a real.

No, I just want to share this video on my
grid.

Right, right.

it's a video that's a real. So we're to
post it as a real and then we're going

to share it beyond your scope of people.

It's like you created this like you set
this house on fire and you're like,

Right. Right.

we have an idea about putting out this
fire like just stop messing with the app.

This is stupid. I told you I was going to
do this.

I told you I was gonna be grumpy about it.

You said you were gonna be grumpy.

This is so dumb.

That's fine.

It is a problem of their own creation
because they're the ones,

Meta, pushed so hard on Reels that
everything became Reels.

Like, when you reward the creation of a
kind of content,

which Instagram rewards the creation of
Reels,

Reels are gonna get more views,

they're algorithmically driven,

there's a greater possibility that your
following will grow because

of Reels that you post versus a static
image.

People are gonna post more of that.

Instagram changes the home tab to just
show you reels now,

and you rarely see a post or carousel.

And so like, yeah, it's what they rewarded
is now what's popular.

And to say they're solving the problem by
adding something in the DMs,

I just don't know.

Well, and

here's the thing. They're like,

well, we have all this data so we can see
how people are using it.

like, but you are putting your finger on
the scale of how people use it.

Right, exactly.

So you can't, you can't look at that as a
self-reinforcing.

It's like, I locked all the doors to my
house and everyone's coming

in this one door.

So we should like do something about that
door.

Right.

Like that should be the door. We should
make that the entrance to our house.

It's like, no, you just locked all the
other doors.

And so that's the only one people can use.

Yes.

The fact that people are using it doesn't
mean that that's the one they want to use.

It doesn't mean that that's the best door.

It doesn't mean that there's anything good
about it except for it's

the only one that's unlocked. And so I
feel like you are interpreting signal that

That's right.

you have put out into the world as
confirmation of what people want.

Yes.

when really what they want, and again,

I'm not arguing that DMs isn't the way
most people use Instagram,

that's fine. I almost never use DMs in
Instagram because similar to you,

it's either just like total noise,

right? Or I forget and I just don't want
people to message me on Instagram.

Right, yes.

That's not the best way to do that.

And so, but I get that teenagers,

fine, DMs, that's the way that they do
things.

This though,

is literally Mark Zuckerberg woke up a
couple weeks ago,

looked over and he's like, wait a second,

Snapchat's still a thing? We gotta burn it
to the ground.

And that is something Instagram has been
historically great at,

which is stealing features from other
things.

Reels were because of TikTok. Stories were
originally because of Snapchat.

know, Snapchat had stories first and then
Instagram did the stories.

So yeah, but they have the scale and
teenagers will just keep going

to Instagram because that's the app.

That's where everybody is. And so just
people go to it.

I don't know, friends, I mean,

not my friends, my children mostly just
interact in Snapchat now.

Yeah.

Really? That's

interesting.

I think that that's true. My daughter made
me install Snapchat because

she thought it'd be really cool if she
could send me snaps.

And I'm like, I don't even know what any
of those words mean.

I used Snapchat years ago and I was like,

this is clear. I'm too old for this.

But then it's like,

then all of a sudden it's like,

oh, here's all these people that you might
know.

And it's like, how do you, why do think I
know these people?

It's like, well, they're near you.

I'm like, why do you know where they are
and where I am?

Right, right. The Snapchat map.

Like, hold on, you've gone way too far.

Which

is another feature that Instagram stole
was the Instagram map.

And like if you don't turn off your
location,

when you post stories, it has the location
attached to the thing.

Yeah, I don't like any of it.

Yeah, yeah. anyway, speaking of people not
liking AI and some of these features,

I've been, you know, I hear Neil Ipatel
talk about Joanna Stern's new book about

the reaction to AI, especially from
younger generations.

And I...

came across this video this is from Cable
Sasser from Panic Software

he posted this video and I quickly
realized this is actually

the University of Central Florida
commencement which is a university I've
literally

been to it's in Orlando near me I've been
to their library got to

do research there when I was in college
and so this is one

of the commencement speakers I just want
to play real quick the reaction that

the audience has is the graduating class
to the speaker talking about

AI so I'm going to try and play this clip
so we can see it

So that clip was so interesting to me for
a couple reasons.

One, I didn't expect booing at a
commencement.

Like you have to have some strong feelings
if you're going to boo

at a commencement speaker. And it doesn't
seem like it was a guest speaker.

Like the person seemed like they were
someone at University of Central Florida,

whether it was a faculty or administration
or whatever.

So that was interesting. And second,

the total shock that she seemed to
experience at that reaction,

as though she had no idea that it might
happen.

I was like, that, maybe that's the picture
right now.

It's like the AI makers and one generation
or multiple generations thinking like,

AI is it. Like this is gonna be the thing.

And then everyone on the other side,

namely graduating class, Gen Z,

maybe younger, they're like literally
booing the idea of AI.

And like to say that AI is the next
industrial revolution,

if you would have said that like three
years ago,

Maybe you could get away with that and it
sounds reasonably smart.

I feel like now in 2026 that we see what
AI is capable of.

AGI is becoming less and less of a thing.

Microsoft and OpenAI literally changed
their deal and took AGI out

of the deal because it's probably not
going to be a thing.

Feels like less of a reasonable thing to
say in 2026,

but I don't know. That was surprising.

I think the most compelling thing about
this is the point that Cable Sesser

was making when he shared this,

which is just the complete inability to
know your audience.

if you are going to go and give a
commencement speech,

your number one priority is to inspire the
people in front of you,

which means you should have some
understanding of who these people are.

Now, this speaker was not from the she was
like a vice president

of development at some development,

like a strategic alliances at some
development company.

Okay. Okay.

The point that he's making is like,

if you are so inside the bubble that you
don't understand what people

on the outside of the bubble are thinking,

then you probably first of all shouldn't
be giving a commencement speech

to the people on the outside of the
bubble.

Like if you don't already know that
college students with a burning passion
hate

everything about AI, then first thing you
probably should not

be giving commencement speeches.

You could have talked, she could have
talked about this in a way that

was like reaching them at their level,

like acknowledging the fact that like,

look, this is a thing that's changing a
lot.

And a lot of you have a lot of anxiety
about it.

And there's there's going to be
opportunities,

there's going to be changes that we
haven't anticipated.

And it's a very scary world. And let me
tell you how you should be inspired.

Like, you know, like, there's a way to
address this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it is so interesting. It's one of the
things that you and I talked about,

our audience is probably leaning,

and biased towards enthusiasts of
technology.

But if we get so focused on what people
who

spend as much time with technology as we
do,

then there's a whole lot of people out
there.

Like my kids have Macs, they couldn't tell
you what they are.

Like I think it's a Macbook, you know what
mean?

It's a tool that they use, right?

sure, Right, right.

And so, I don't know, I just think this is
really interesting because

it shows you the divide between the people
who have a financial interest

in this stuff working out and the people
who have a financial interest

Yeah, yeah.

in it just going away so I could get a
job.

Okay, so my next question for you is why
such like,

averse feelings towards AI from the
younger generation?

Because in my mind, I think back to when I
was in college,

the iPhone didn't exist, the iPad didn't
exist,

I was carrying a bunch of heavy books to
classes.

There was so much of the technology today
that I feel like would have made

my college experience easier. From
everything just simple ebooks to...

being able to summarize or record an
entire lecture on my phone and then

get a summary in bullet points thanks to
AI.

Whether that's complicated AI or not,

it's a feature you can do today that I
couldn't do back then.

And I would have thought as a college
student,

you could see those benefits. Is it
because that's not really what they're
reacting

to? What do you think that, what am I not
getting here?

I think that there is a sense in Gen Z,

I think, I'm just throwing this out there,

that one, they value authenticity and they
don't like artificial stuff,

right? And so they are being deluged

Yeah, it's right in the name, artificial.

by what's real and what's not real.

And that line has become increasingly
difficult to determine where we're at.

And then I think also there's probably a
sense of like,

this stuff is just gonna make us dumber,

right? There's a lack of critical thinking
skills.

Hmm.

If you can just pump stuff into AI and be
like,

make me a paper. Yes, on the one hand,

it's like, this is amazing. I can just
pump this into and get a paper out of it.

But I don't think that the value of that
exceeds the idea that like,

okay, I can see the logical conclusion
here,

which is, am I gonna be able to get a job
or are they just gonna deploy AI agents?

And if you are a college student,

let's be honest.

The thing you care about the most is,

am I gonna be able to get a job?

Right, because suddenly you have reached
the point where the safety

of I'm in college, so I'm on my own,

but I have a meal plan and a dorm,

and so I'm sort of in this in-between
world between completely independent adult

and independent adult that I feel like I
get to make all my own choices,

but I have this like structurally designed
safety net that like I don't have

to worry about all of these things and
just.

just you realize, but tomorrow I got to
figure it out on my

own because they're going to kick me out
of the dorm because I've graduated

and I've got to get a job and I've got a
whatever.

So I just think that there is this.

I don't know. I think there's a
combination of it.

Also, college students tend to be a little
bit countercultural,

right? Most revolutions. And when I say
that,

Sure.

I just mean cultural revolutions begin
with young people because they don't have

Yeah. Right.

the established their incentives are
different.

They don't have anything to benefit from
AGI making a couple people billionaires,

trillionaires.

So number one, if you're Gen Z or younger
or younger millennial and like

you would have booed at that commencement,

like in the clip we just played,

I would love to hear from you.

Like if you have that averse feeling
towards AI,

if you could articulate why, like is it
the fear of not being able to get a job?

Is it just the doom scrolling-ification of
everything?

The in poopification, I will say,

because we don't have an explicit tag on
our show,

which is term you hear a lot.

I'd really love to hear from you.

Email podcast at primarytech.fm.

I'm really curious your thoughts on this.

If you would have booed at that
commencement speech,

tell me why. I really want to know.

And I also want to, I'm going to link this
in the show notes.

Casey Newton of Platformer, he did an
interview.

~ The title of the article slash interview
is the best argument I've heard

for why AI won't take your job.

It's with Box CEO, Aaron Levy.

But they talk about, I didn't listen to
the whole thing.

I've seen clips of it, but basically that

AI can do maybe 80 % of what humans are
capable of,

but there is still that last 10 to 20 % of
synthesis or analysis

or just task completion that AI is still
nowhere near as good at as humans.

Like it can do a lot of the work as good
as humans,

if not better, but there is that like,

you call it the last mile, which is like
using like internet cable running,

like the last mile of the box to the house
that humans are still much better at.

that because of the human experience and
either years of working in a field

or just years of being a human that you
just understand things better that that's

the reason why AI won't take a lot of
jobs.

I do feel like there's a bit of a
counterpoint there where some jobs where

the job literally was taking notes and
summarizing things for people

and keeping track of people's calendars
those could be namely like executive

assistants or data entry

Feels like those jobs, maybe closer to 100
% of those jobs,

could be done by AI pretty soon,

and so there probably are jobs that will
go away because of it.

I also understand that there's the
environmental impact of AI.

do have people, every time I talk about AI
on social media,

there's usually somebody that's like,

you boiled an ocean for this? It's like,

I don't know, man. Maybe. I think the
Atlantic is still there.

I'm going to the beach this weekend.

Yeah, we still have a few of those.

I'm going to go to the beach this weekend.

It's

I'll let you know if it's still there.

Well, the okay, you just actually said
something I think really pinpoints it.

Executive assistants, I don't think are
going anywhere.

Because the people who have executive
assistants only care about one thing.

And that's that they don't ever have to
think about it.

Right? If you have a human being that you
can yell at,

if they get it wrong, they're not going to
get it wrong very often.

And you can have a conversation.

And so now if you don't have an executive
assistant AI can be great.

Cowork is great for like

Show me all the things that are supposed
to happen next week because

I can't even figure out all the conflicts,

right? Now, that's a thing you could ask a
human,

but it would be expensive if you have to
pay a human to do that.

So if you can't pay a human to do it,

great. is fantastic. I don't see AI being,

you know, replacing a whole lot of
executive assistants for the people

who can afford to pay them. And I think
that that actually summarizes why

Gen Z is so frustrated by what they see
happening,

which is that they are going to absorb all
of the disruption for the benefit

of a few people.

who basically run these companies,

right? Everyone above them are gonna
capture all of the gains and they're gonna

be the generation that gets disrupted.

And I think that the executive assistant
thing is actually a perfect example
because

I don't think like there's probably not a
whole lot of people

who just graduated from University of
Central Florida who are like,

what I really wanna do is take notes in
meetings for a living.

They're like, no, I kinda wanna be running
the meeting.

Sure.

Right, yes Okay. Well, I'm really curious
email us comment if you're watching

on YouTube and ~ Yeah, I think that the
first part of the title of this episode

is gonna be does Gen Z hate AI I think the
answer is yes,

but We'll see I know my kids though Like
they use it to ask questions

think you're right.

But they don't feel like a particular
affinity for it or that it will somehow
Change

their lives for the better. Like it's not
that big in their minds.

I will say

Anytime they asked me a question,

and I'll recall, I don't know how you were
with your parents,

but when I was a kid, like AI,

anytime I asked my dad a question,

he would have an answer. He would always
give me an answer.

Yeah.

How true the answer was or how accurate it
was to actual information,

there was no way to know. There was no,

I would ask him like, how does this work?

And he would just tell me whether it was
true or not.

I believed it and I was happy.

I guess we went on our way and maybe that
was better.

We were better for it.

But now, whenever my kids ask me
something,

like the other day we were trying to
figure out some world fact,

I just immediately went to Claude and
asked him a question.

And so, again, I'm not verifying that.

I assume it's more accurate than just
trying to make up something off the

top of my head. And so at least I can know
that when my kids have asked

me something during this era, I've told
them hopefully more accurate information,

but I don't know.

I

just want to say, while we were doing
this,

texted my two Gen Z daughters.

I just said, do the teens hate AI?

yeah.

And one of them was like, yes and no,

it depends. Sometimes I do, but not when
I'm doing my homework,

which that seems about right. And my other
one goes,

Ha ha!

dad, what are you actually talking about?

I just said, do the teens hate AI?

Hahahaha

Dad, what are you talking about?

And so I said, people say that Gen Z hates
AI.

So I was wondering if that's true.

And she stopped responding. So they're
supposed to be in school,

right?

They said they tend to respond when their
father texts them in the middle

of the podcast.

That's

good. Now see now I'm gonna text my kids
and see if we get an answer live

on the show kids does do Jenzy does Jenzy
hate AI

Do the teens hate AI? That's the question.

right now. I'm recording a segment right
now.

I'll do a real-time follow-up if my kids
text me back.

All right. So I think one of them is still
asleep.

So speaking of AI, I will mention there
are use cases that you can use AI.

you

I just like to mention the things that I
do with Cloud that are fun.

I Jason built a whole app for the Mac and
the iPhone.

Three abs basically.

Three apps, basically. Anthropic is trying
to court small businesses

by adding more like small business
features into co-work.

There's now like a small business toggle,

and it'll have things like payroll.

and accounting type tasks, and you'll be
able to do more stuff like that

in Cloud Cowork. I just wanted to say I've
had,

I wanted to redo my link in BioSight,

the link that I put in all like TikTok and
Instagram,

which is the other thing I wanted to say
about Instagram.

Like the reason why many chat and DMs are
where all the action happens

on Instagram is because you can't link
anything in an Instagram post.

You can't link anything in the caption.

You can't make a link clickable or in the
comments.

And so everybody has to do this many chat
automation like I do too.

But anyway, I wanted to make a new
BioSight,

the link in Bio.

And I just asked Claude to do it for me.

I still have my site on Squarespace.

I had thought about changing recently,

but then now that I've been doing more
with Claude,

I'm like, wait a minute. It doesn't matter
where I host my site because

I could just ask Claude to give me a bunch
of HTML code and I could just

put it wherever I want. So I asked Claude
to strip the header navigation

and the header bar off the page.

He gave me a bunch of code to paste in the
code injection part of Squarespace.

And then I told him to just give me a
bunch of HTML.

I want my bio site to look like this.

I want it to link to my like

podcast, YouTube and Instagram at the top.

I want to have these buttons that say this
and I wanted to show

my last YouTube video and here is where I
will say the memory part

of Claude or these other AIs comes in
handy.

I had already asked Claude to help me
build a part of my website on

the home page that always shows the most
recent YouTube video and

it walked me through building a worker in
Cloudflare.

I don't even know what those words mean
but I did that and walked me through

it and because I had that worker Claude
was able to hook into it.

And then just show the latest one video
embedded on his bio site.

I was able to use that worker I already
built.

I didn't go back to Cloudflare for this.

I just pasted this code in Squarespace,

blocking I have a new bio site.

And it's pretty good. So you know,

that's a nice use case. You could do that
too.

Nice.

Or you could pay, you know, Linktree,

$15 a month, whatever you want to do.

So our last couple quick things,

Bye.

and then we'll get to some personal tech.

iPhone 17 apparently is super popular.

This is a report showing just kind of the
sales of the different iPhone models.

In quarter one of 2026, the iPhone 17,

far and above, it is the world's best
smelling smartphone in quarter one,

capturing 6 % of global unit sales.

And after the iPhone 17, it's the 17 Pro
Max.

And after the 17 Pro Max, it's the iPhone
17 Pro.

And then you have the Galaxy phones.

And then the iPhone 16 is number six best
selling phone.

iPhone Air didn't make the list of this
top 10,

unfortunately.

Yeah,

I'm gonna set aside the fact that I'm
pretty sure you said it's

the best smelling phone, but I'm pretty
sure Listeners,

Did I really?

let us know if that's we heard Stephen say
Okay,

Hold on, let me test something real quick.

That doesn't smell like anything.

is that a 17 or 17 Pro see Have you got a
17?

Oh, that's true, this is 17 Pro Max.

you would think that max would smell
better,

but apparently not anyway We're gonna just
set that as we did not set it aside,

for the best.

but we're gonna set that part aside.

This is not surprising at all It's like
the best is the most affordable

one with basically all the features

That's the thing. That's the thing.

But it's harder to get a cheaper Apple
product now because the education store

on Apple's website, which has historically
worked on an honor system,

is no longer an honor system. You need
verification now if you want

to have an education discount on any Apple
product.

This is using the UNIDASE verification
system,

which I have a couple friends who work in
the Polk County Public School system,

and I asked them, do you guys know what
this UNIDASE verification is?

And they're like,

No, and so I don't know like how
widespread this is or how easy it will be

to get I think if you have like a dot edu
from a university email address,

it'll be easier but Apple has gone through
this kind of thing before Where

the education source on an honor system
and then they'll

try some verification method and then
they'll take it away So who knows

how long it will last or if this is
permanent,

but yeah, it's harder to get the education
discounts Jason

Well, and I wrote about this. did link to
it because essentially my theory

is that the MacBook Neo ruined this,

right? They did try this a couple of years
ago and people pushed back

and it just was not worth the hassle.

And it's not worth the hassle when you're
absorbing it in a MacBook

Air or MacBook Pro or Mac mini or whatever
it is.

But with the Mac Neo, there is less room
for taking out margin,

right? It's just that the cost of the
device just means that there is less room

Yeah.

for that kind of thing. And so

They wanna make sure that only people who
are qualified.

And my take was like, this is like the,

why is it show these things like so
ridiculous?

Apple News is not formatting your articles
very well,

I have to screenshot that so that I can
send it to my editor again.

Jason, I'm just gonna say.

That is insane. Anyway, that is.

You can read Jason's articles

from ink.com in Apple News and you don't
get all the paywall stuff but...

But it basically

just shoves everything into the deck.

It's like ridiculous. Anyway, it's not
even the first one.

Is that like the first paragraph of the
article or something?

It's like, maybe it's like it combined the
deck with some other stuff.

That's bizarre.

Okay, well, there you go.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. But it was like
the worst kept secret.

Everyone knew you could just go to the
education source,

save 100 bucks, right? But when they're
offering an extremely popular Mac for
what,

599?

The hundred bucks, there's not as many
hundred bucks to take out of it.

And so they want to make sure that they
only are giving it to people.

Right.

Now this verification thing, does not
surprise me at all that no one knows what

it is. It feels to me like it's the exact
same thing.

Like if you go to a government website and
they ask,

do you want to sign in with ID.me?

You don't have to know what that is.

It's just a, it's just a verification
service that they're using.

And that's what this is. Like,

this is just a way for Apple to embed a,

it's kind of like an app could use login
with Apple.

This is like login with your school ID.

Right.

this is the people that do that.

You don't need to know what it is.

So they're just gonna make you prove that
you're a college student

or a college professor. And I believe this
essentially means that they're

eliminating it for, can't just be like,

well, my kids are in school, but they
don't have a college email address.

Yeah, you can do Can't

So they're on a lot.

do that, yeah. There is also a ~ way for
like homeschoolers and others,

know, different ways of schooling you can
get the education discount,

but it is a process. Like you do have to
have it verified and all that.

You

have to send in a kidney and you have to
get a letter.

That's right, blood test, yeah,

It says it's your kidney, yeah.

all that.

Let's save the AirPods with a camera for
our bonus content because there's

a rumor that AirPods are gonna have a
camera soon.

And I think that would be interesting.

Yeah, another dumb idea. boo.

So we can talk about that. But I wanted to
share a personal tech thing before we go,

which is, you're gonna love this.

I still use Magic Mouse, okay.

Is this the stupid thing that Neelai was
showing?

Yes it is, Jason. Yes it is.

I bought this silly $25 Magic Mouse
Charger Base.

You can get it Lightning or USB-C,

comes in white or black. And it is
basically a 3D printed thing

for your Magic Mouse. It fits the Magic
Mouse perfectly.

It has a little USB-C port that sticks up
so it plugs the mouse in.

And here's the kicker. It's got a MagSafe
charging thing on the bottom.

So you can literally just place this on a
MagSafe charger and charge your Magic

Mouse. And you can use the mouse in the
case if it's not charging.

It has a little hole for the optical
sensor and it'll just,

you you can move it around or whatever.

It is very chunky when you're actually
using it that way and I don't recommend
it.

I have it right here. And I will link it
in the show notes,

but here it is. And there's a little
MagSafe puck on the bottom.

But the thing is, Jason, here's the...

You can't

use it when it's charging, which by the
way,

That's the thing.

you couldn't do when it was charging
before.

This is also stupid.

Now this

of all the things that are stupid in this
episode this might be I don't know

It doesn't actually solve the problem.

if it's the most stupid is this more
stupid than in an Instagram instance Just

so you in your opinion

~ I don't know what problem Instagram
instances solving,

It's a call.

so I don't know. I know exactly what
problem this is trying to solve

and they're not solving the problem.

Yeah, I know, I know.

Steven. The problem is you can't plug in
the mouse and keep using

it because you have to turn it on its side
like a dead turtle and give

This is...

it an umbilical cord. And here all you do
is leave the turtle the way it

is and give it another shell and you still
can't use it if you're charging.

That's the thing. To be clear,

I've tried this multiple ways and you can
have even the thin MagSafe puck.

You can put the mouse in this little
shell,

charge it with the MagSafe puck,

and you cannot use it because whenever the
Magic Mouse is charging,

your Mac just says, ~ you're not using the
mouse right now.

You cannot use the mouse right now.

And what's crazy making is it's still
connected via Bluetooth because

if you have the widget,

you can still see the percentage of it
charging on your Mac widget.

So it's still connected to your Mac via
Bluetooth.

It's connected right there, but you
literally cannot move the mouse when it's

charging. Yeah.

Well, the reason

is because of the orientation of the mouse
when it's charging,

they've essentially using telemetry just
turn that off so you don't have accidental

inputs. Like you don't have it sitting on
its side and bump it

and accidentally you clicked on something
that says send to Stephen $10,000 from

your bank account or something like that.

Yeah,

You don't want that to accidentally
happen.

You only want to do it on purpose.

And so this doesn't solve the problem.

Sure.

No, it does not solve the problem.

I was really hopeful. I knew it wasn't
going to work,

but I wanted to try it anyways.

And now I'm like... Literally,

Just like the Rabin R1.

at least this was only 25 bucks.

And I don't even know if it's worth it to
put it in here just to charge

it easier because, I mean, I think it
might be faster to just plug

in the USB-C cable if I can't use it
anyway.

So... I'm also... Have you found,

like, your mouse lagging a little bit in
macOS Tahoe?

like it kind of moves a little slowly
sometimes.

I mean, I'm using this MX Master 3 and no,

I have not had that problem. So real time
follow up though,

yes, he... Yeah... Anyway...

the daughter who said, dad, what are you
actually talking about?

Said AI has ruined.

Interesting see now my son takes my son
takes me back my 17 year old

I asked kids does Gen Z hate AI And my
oldest said I don't believe

so at least according to their grades.

I Think that is implying that they are
using it and their grades

are reflecting it so We want to know I
want to know listeners and viewers email

me podcast at primary tech.fm Comment
under the YouTube video does Gen Z hate

AI if you're Gen Z. Do you hate AI and if
so why tell us?

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