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Welcome to Primary Technology,
the show about the tech news that matters.
Lots of AI news this week. Jim and I
finally released their Mac app.
Resolve 21 has built AI features like
de-aging just built right into the app.
Adobe Firefly doing a ton more AI stuff
across Photoshop,
Lightroom.
The new Claude app launched with Parallel
Sessions,
Jason has a story about DoorDash,
and he even built some of his own apps.
All of that and a ton more. This episode
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I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles,
joined by developer Jason Aten.
How's it going, Jason? Sorry, no,
You're gonna make people mad at me,
Stephen.
no, no, he didn't say that. He didn't say
his developer,
but he did make some apps. Vibe coded.
I'm a product manager apparently.
You're product manager.
Jason vibe coded some stuff. We're gonna
talk about that in personal tech.
That's super fun.
All the AI stuff. All right, let's get
ready to do five star reviews.
We had a few. Thank you so much We've been
in like the top 50 60 shows
in Apple podcast I don't know if I think I
got a couple of screenshots that these
people our show has shown up in the video
podcast feature for some people
in Apple podcast So that's super fun.
But yeah, we've been like top 50 60 shows
So thank you all for that,
Sweet.
but prox now from the USA, which I
recognize you I hope you continue to beat
the we want a new Apple TV drum
and he was saying we should, she's shaking
his head.
I made a whole video about why we need a
new Apple TV and what I want out of it,
and literally posting a video as we record
right now about my $3,000 movie box.
You still don't think we need a new Apple
TV,
Those two things are not the same just to
be clear.
huh? They're not the same thing,
I
that's the same thing.
think that the current Apple TV is already
overpowered for what it does.
So unless they're going to dramatically
make the Apple TV do something different.
Steven, I have I have like literally seven
or eight year old Apple TVs that
are just functioning fine.
Yeah, well, Progeny has had a less good
experience,
which is unique. mean, I have five Apple
TVs running in my house at all times.
And like, I don't really have any issues
with them,
but I totally get it. I totally get it.
So I still want a new Apple TV.
New Apple TV, Bob Lely is from Canada.
Steve and the other guy make a perfect
team.
We're a perfect team, according to Bob
from Canada.
This is true.
This is true. Super dedicated,
professional. Thank you all for that.
A-A Ron, reference acknowledged,
from the USA. Missed me off from Apple
Cider,
but glad he found this show.
And he asked, the other guy even like
technology?
Jason, do you like technology?
Moving on.
No, no, just kidding. Yes,
of
course I like technology. just,
this is how I described it to Stephen
earlier.
I'll just say, I think I am cynically
optimistic about technology.
I think that's a good phrase. In our
pre-show,
if you become a member, which the deal is
still going on,
I'll just go ahead link it in the show
notes again,
you can support the show and get the whole
pre-show,
which is like half an hour long,
and the bonus episodes, and the ad-free
version of Primer Tech Daily,
all for like $2.50 a month. But we talked
about the difference of what
it means to really review and critique
technology versus what I do
on YouTube and whose responsibility is it
to tell the world when a product sucks.
so yeah, we talked about
Well, and just like I think the reason
that this works too so well for you
and I is Stevens default position.
This is an over generalization is this is
going to be amazing.
Mm-hmm. Sure, sure.
I can't wait to try it. And my default
position is this is going to suck until
Yeah.
you prove to me otherwise.
I think, yeah, I think that's the crux.
I think that's it.
But I
do love it when they prove to me
otherwise.
Right, and then when mine
proved to actually suck, I just don't talk
about it again.
I just don't mention it. Like the,
Right.
well, I don't want to mention the product
because then I feel bad.
But anyway, okay, so moving on.
La French Fab from the USA five-star
review.
Installed Apple Podcast just to leave this
review.
Battery percentage on, back pocket,
screen facing in horizontal tabs.
So he does the landscape tab. You still
been using the landscape tabs?
Or the vertical tab.
the vertical tabs because he's not using
~ right, right.
vertical tabs. Right.
so they're they do the horizontal tabs
like God intended like I use it
Like God intended or Scott Forstall or the
person that made like Firefox
you do the vertical tip Yeah, that's right
Yeah,
dad
20 years ago. don't know.
The fire the
I saw an Instagram time-lapse like it was
a real showing the browser Share over
the past like 30 years. It was wild one to
see like Netscape Like take
Yeah.
it over and then disappear and then
Internet Explorer take over
and disappear and then Firefox and then
Chrome It was it was a fascinating a
thing.
I think it was accurate anyway,
and then dub pancake boys from the USA
That's funny name battery percentage
off phone in crossbody bag. You need to
tell us is that the ~
What was that brand? Is it Isumiaki?
I don't think it's the sock. The iPhone
sock.
Crossbody bag? Yeah, probably not.
Basic Apple guy, do you carry it around in
that sock?
I want to know. That's all. All right.
and I wanted to give a shout out to Aaron,
who sent me an email I talked about last
week about Claude writing some code
for my Cloudflare worker job, and I had no
idea what it was.
And Aaron sent me very nice email.
He literally went line by line and
explained what each line that Claude
wrote,
what it did.
And it's not doing anything nefarious,
and so I appreciate that. So thank you,
Aaron.
Erin email me because when I talk about my
apps,
I've had a lot of people start asking me
if I would give it to them and
I might need someone to look at them first
to make sure that they're
not secretly syncing these notes to who
knows where.
And Aaron, I'm just saying this could be a
job opportunity.
Absolutely.
Side gig, just checking people's vibe
coded apps.
Absolutely. That is the missing link.
I feel like that, I don't know,
that might be an industry pretty soon.
Of people, just people. You think so?
It probably already is an industry.
just all the people
work inside big companies where they're
using Claude to make stuff.
Yeah, that's fair enough. And we gotta
talk about the Claude app too in a minute.
Alright, and last feedback, Darkshot
Coffee on X actually sent me this,
the Ferrari Luce, right?
I think it's the Luce. They released a
video showing the interior
Yeah. Yep.
of their Johnny Ive designed car.
It's like a rendering. I don't think it's
actual footage,
but it shows what it looks like all put
together.
All the iPad-like rounded corners and the
screen in the middle,
the shifter.
Listen, I'm not a car guy, definitely not
a sports car guy.
So I don't know, guys let us know,
what does this look like? Is this cool?
Is this the thing? I don't know.
It looks like something from a Pixar
movie.
This video does kind of look like it kind
of looks like the Incredibles
car from the increase like That's a good
point yeah,
Yeah, that's that is exactly what this
makes me think of.
like Incredibles 3 they might be driving
this car.
There's the iPad in the middle
they actually might be driving this car
and I,
incredible story. There's a decent chance
that the product placement will be this.
That's true. There
might be that might be a deal.
So anyway, thanks for sending that over.
All right. Some kind of wild AI news this
week.
And I just wanted to start with this
hilarious story.
Allbirds, the shoe company, has pivoted to
being an AI company.
Yes, like to yesterday. And the stock
jumped 600 percent upon this announcement.
Now, if you're not familiar with Allbirds,
Allbirds has been around for
I don't know, eight or nine years?
I actually, when they launched,
it felt very like, oh man, these shoes are
amazing.
I actually bought a pair of Allbirds very
early on.
And then they have not been able to be
profitable in the last five to six years,
and their sales dropped nearly 50 %
between 2022,
2025. So they are selling off all of their
assets,
and they're going to reform like a Voltron
into a company called Newbird AI,
and they're going to acquire...
GPUs and then basically become a GPU as a
service,
which is now a new like business,
you know, if you're not familiar,
there's like SAS pass, which is like
software as a service platform as a
service.
Like those are just kind of acronyms that
some companies put themselves under like
a podcast host is a SAS software as a
service.
And so they're going to become a GPU.
A S I don't know how to say that about
Chris like a GPU as a service
and a native cloud solutions provider.
This is hilarious.
I don't I mean, I kind of understood all
the words that you said,
but they don't all make sense in the order
that you use them.
Right. Like I mean, I listen. I had a pair
of all birds.
Well.
They were great. They were what I called
my airport shoes.
They were like the shoes that were
perfect.
were lightweight. They were like easy to
take on and off.
They were wool. They were, yeah.
Yeah. They didn't survive very well.
If it was wet, they weren't. didn't.
What this
this what I was gonna say so like I bought
a pair for me and my wife early
on like when all birds first came on the
scene and Like they were cool.
They looked cool. Like they were wool.
You could throw them in the washing
machine,
whatever But like over time we actually
didn't like them as shoes
and we never bought another pair and so
the the drop in profitability
and like Losing the business model
actually makes sense to like when I told
my wife that she was like, ~ yeah We
didn't really like those shoes anyway
So like they may just not have been a
great shoe company and then there were
other
Competitions like Adams came out and you
know,
they have a bunch of partnerships and
stuff.
But but yeah that I'm curious now we need
to predict Now this this would
be insider trading but like what company
is now going to pivot from whatever wild
business they do now to AI because of the
compute shortage
Well, okay, so hold on, we can do that in
a second.
Yeah, yeah.
There's a difference between...
Nvidia making GPUs for gaming PCs,
pivoting to making massive GPUs for
training and inference on large language
models
Yes.
and then the entire stack that they've
created and CUDA,
which is like with a platform you can
develop.
But that's different, right? That is not
the same thing as we make shoes.
Right.
Now we rent GPUs. Those are not the same
thing.
Not at all, not at all.
Also,
This is all based on like a $50 million
investment.
That's like six GPUs right now.
red.
Like I don't even know like who are you
renting them to?
Right? It's I could put it on those
shelves right back there.
Their server farm is gonna be an
apartment.
It's gonna be a studio apartment Yeah,
It'd be like all birds call me like Joe.
you could just run it right there Yeah,
you could be yeah, you'll think you'll
take some of that cut
We can work something out. My shed has a
mini split.
It's can it's a climate controlled.
You ready? Ready to go. That's it.
It's it's ready to go. I will not take 50
million.
It will be a lot. We can work out a deal.
That's it. think, let me see, let me think
here.
Maybe, Red Bull's already doing a bunch.
Red Bull, I mean, I can see them getting
into GPU market.
Red Bull is not going to pivot as much as
it just constantly spins around
in circles. That's like the way it works.
That's right and spins people around in
circles with crazy stunts.
Exactly.
You know what mean? Anyway, if you if no,
I'm not gonna say that but I will see I'm
curious what other companies legitimately
pivot to AI just because of this moment
and Then how many like give
up maybe good business models because
they're trying to jump on this hype train
and then it goes away
peak design.
peeked his backpacks to GPUs. I like that.
I like that.
~ you laugh,
but is it more weird than shoes to GPUs?
No, no, I don't know. That's what
I'm trying to think of something weirder
than shoes that could actually pivot
and I really, I really don't know.
Buddy brew coffee beans maybe.
Little Debbie.
I don't know.
That's it. Hostess and Little Debbie,
the next AI companies. ~ this is
brilliant.
Hostess it's right there in the name.
They're going to host the GPUs.
All right, I'm to put us in the comedy
category now.
All right, so more AI news. Jim and I
finally released their Mac app.
You can download it now.
I was getting mixed reports from people of
whether it's available outside the US,
so may or may not. This is the Mac app.
You download it. I did it immediately.
I have some concerns and critiques,
first of all. I'm glad I made a Mac app.
I was tired of going to the web interface,
but there are some things missing.
So first of all, this is what it actually
looks like.
This is my live Gemini Mac app.
This gradient is too much. I don't like
this gradient at the bottom.
It's too much.
I feel like the design, it feels a little
meh.
Also, it's missing like model pickers.
I mean, you can choose between like fast
thinking and pro,
but I don't know, that feels a little
limited there.
But also no custom gems. So I have
actually ~ trained custom Gemini gems
for specific use cases. You don't have
access to the gems in there.
And you can share a window to give Gemini
context on what you're working on,
but it is...
not like Claude Cowork. Now Google has
said this is like setting
the groundwork for building a really
robust Mac app that will have,
you know, more access and kind of that
super app that all these companies
are talking about. But I don't know,
what were your impressions when you
downloaded it?
I do you like it? Same, same.
Well, I'm glad they made a Mac app.
I'm glad they actually made a real Mac
app,
Right.
right? Like this
is an act. It's not electron garbage.
I'm
Correct.
Correct.
like Claude
is, I'm very, very, very glad that they
did that.
The reason they had to do that was like
the killer feature of this
is actually not the app. It's the fact
that you can be looking at your browser
and you can hit option space. I actually
had to remap that because
I use option space for maybe Alfred.
No, I use it for actual spotlight because
I use command space for Alfred.
So I remapped it, but you can pull up this
little tiny floating window,
Uh-huh.
right?
It looks like
spotlight.
It looks like spotlight, but if you hit
the plus,
it'll just include a screenshot of
whatever you're looking at.
If you want it to right, you can share
that window with.
Correct.
And so you could just pull that command up
and be like,
explain what's actually the first thing I
did was I just,
I did that. I was like, explain what's
happening here.
And it did. It told me exactly what was
happening and explained it.
yeah.
So in that, that's the feature that they
really wanted.
want you to use is like use Gemini from
anywhere on your context
on whatever you're doing. You could pull
it up.
You could switch your screens out of ~ an
email that was sent to you,
the one that you got in Chinese or
whatever,
and be like, explain to me what's
happening here.
Tell me what's going on in this email.
Right, translate this. Right.
So I think that's great. What that means
is you have to give
it screen reporting permissions.
So you have to decide if that's the thing
you want to do with Google.
Hmm.
Now, Google is big company and it's not
going to be worth it to them
to just constantly looking at everything
that you're doing.
And they already, if you have personalized
context enable,
can look at your Gmail and your photos and
your drive and your docs
right right
and all that stuff anyway. But you should
be careful because this
I also get... Yeah.
is a new product, there's a much greater
chance that they're going
to be using review processes to like,
how effective is this working?
Are these answers lining up with the
users?
Right.
Which just means that there's always gonna
be a possibility that there's
a person who will see whatever it is that
you share with.
And also I got a number of pop-ups after I
installed it and opened it
and like app background activity and it
says Google updater can
run in the background and then you know I
could go to the system settings login
items and extensions and turn that off and
then I got a second one that
I forgot to screenshot talking about I
think that it'll Start you know it'll
it'll
when you restart your Mac or start your
Mac It'll like open automatically,
and I didn't see it in the list just yet
like the immediate live
So there was just some pop-ups that like,
it felt like when I install Chrome,
which I had since deleted recently when I
figured I could have Claude work in Brave.
And so there were a lot of pop-ups that
felt like,
is like installing Chrome. And I didn't
feel great about that ~ because Google,
I don't know, it just gets in there.
I feel like the tentacles just get in
there when you download their apps.
That's just a feeling. ~ But then there
were also a post on Macedon because
it was like, this, it's not an Electron
app,
which Electron is like,
a wrapper for basically a web app.
That's what Slack is. That's what the
Claude app is.
like it doesn't those apps don't feel
great on the Mac.
If there's an intangible feeling you have
when you use an app like Slack,
it's because it's an electronic.
Yeah, because it's literally just a web
view wrapped in a desktop app.
Correct, and that's garbage to be clear.
So, right, and so I saw this post on
Mastodon by Gus.
Yeah, make an app people.
He was saying that it has a huge
executable binary.
I don't know what that means, but
basically that there's a bunch
of Objective-C classes, and Objective-C is
like the pre-Swift,
like, Apple language. Not just Apple,
but that's what a lot of Apple apps were
written in.
And it looks like there's a lot of
JavaScript to Objective-C being
transformed,
and this...
Support article that I'll also link it
talks about that Google has this tool
inside
that will transform Java source code to
objective C for iOS and
So I don't like I'm not technical enough
to know exactly everything that's
happening, but I will say the app feels
weird sometimes it doesn't feel like
I Don't know like first party.
They're like a Apple developer app that's
made for it and the reason
why I bring that up is because Sundar
Parcha I actually posted on X
that this app was developed using
anti-gravity AI,
which is Google's AI developer tool,
and was talking about how it was written
in Swift or whatever,
but I don't know, I need more information.
I wanna know more about the details there.
If anybody has any resources on that,
I'm curious. Or if you have the ability to
look at the code and really
see what's going on under the hood,
I would just be curious, because something
feels a little weird to me.
It's intangible.
first of all, it's made by Google.
So it's gonna feel weird. Have you ever
used Gmail?
Okay, sure. Well, no, I use fast mail.
Like, come on. But okay. I said,
~ yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Have you ever used Gmail? Right.
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do that,
yeah.
But I mean, they Google said I'm trying to
find it.
But they said they they spent 100 days
they built this thing from the ground
up in Swift. Now, did they use code from
other places?
I got probably like I mean, but they also
have they already have a Gemini
app on the iPhone. Like so I mean,
All
I'm just
The fact you know that it's a native app
in ways because like
the right click context menus are like the
stock right click context menus you'd
expect to have right like and so it's much
better than running electron
right.
if for no other reason than you load like
an electron app like I'll load
one password past sponsor of the show fine
and all of a sudden it's using
Yeah.
3.5 gigs of memory and it's not because I
have that many passwords it's just because
Right.
it's an electron app which means it's
Chrome which means it's just like
inflating to consume all Earth.
Yeah. All the resources,
Right. It's like, what was the movie?
everything, yeah.
The Ryan Gosling movie right now?
No, the one that the yeah,
I was gonna say the blob. Project Hail
Mary,
the astrophage. Yeah, Yeah.
thank you. It's like trying to consume the
sun or whatever.
So anyway,
That is what Chrome does in the
background.
Yeah.
so I think it's good. I think there are
some quirkiness to it.
Like it's kind of weird that the default
font size is massive in the.
So... yeah, strange. Also the icon's
real gray. I don't know why. I know it's
nitpicking,
It does
but...
look like it is inactive.
That's what that icon looks like.
Yeah.
It's like you have Gemini down here,
but it's gone to sleep. It's really sad or
something.
So anyway, I'm glad they made a native app
though.
Yeah. Yeah.
That was what people wanted, unlike some
other AI chat option.
Yeah, I am too. download it. I will be
using it because I do use all
the AIs in different ways. And I was using
the Mac apps for Claude
and ChatjpT and we're gonna talk about
that Claude app in a minute.
But ~ yeah, we'll see. It's out there.
You can download it.
And the
chat GBT app though is much better,
much, much, much better.
ChatGPT app is the best, it's
the best chat app. It's the best AI chat
bot app,
I think. You have your custom GPTs,
it feels fast, it feels native,
like, yeah, that is, I think, one of the
best apps.
But speaking of AI and things,
DaVinci Resolve, made by Blackmagic,
they had an event where they announced a
bunch of stuff,
but Resolve 21 is now available in a
preview beta,
and they've added a bunch of crazy
features to DaVinci Resolve 21,
one being more...
photo editing tools. Now DaVinci Resolve
is thought of as a video editing tool
and a lot of people look to it for like
color grading as like the best color
grading
experience that you can get in an app.
But so they've now taken that and are
trying to compete with Lightroom
and have built photo editing capabilities
into DaVinci Resolve so much
so that you can process raw photos from
like Sony,
Nikon, Canon, all of that directly in
Resolve 21.
and has all the same color correction and
tools that you could do with video footage
in Resolve. Now you can do it with still
images.
And you can import images from the photo,
like the Apple Photos app from Adobe
Lightroom catalog files.
So all of that competing now with
Lightroom.
So that's interesting. But then they're
also just building more
AI tools directly into Resolve.
And there's de-aging and aging using AI
just right into the app.
And DaVinci Resolve is like free.
Download and just use which is also why it
kind of exploded in popularity
in the last few years because it was one
of the cheapest options and
it was really good and You know black
magic really makes their money with
the hardware. They sell lots of different
hardware You know both consumer
and professional grade but man D aging is
just gonna like be there
and available and anybody could do it like
I don't know We're just
in a place though. These AI tools are just
out there
Yeah, I
downloaded this because the 21 beta
because I didn't have I had 20 on
my machine I don't really use it a lot but
I wanted to check out the photo stuff
and I think what is kind of messing me up
is I don't want my photo editing
app buried inside of a video editing app
it's just like one tab down
That is... yeah.
at the bottom it's like this this has to
be way too heavy for what I want
to use it for if all I want is to edit
photos I can understand that
Right.
if you're doing both on a regular basis or
if you're going to be using photos
in your
video
project, this is pretty killer because you
don't have to go from one app
to go to Lightroom and then export either
a TIFF file or a JPEG or a
PNG or whatever it is you're going to use
in your video.
So that's great. But like I there's a part
of me that's like,
if I really wanted to try this out,
I want a dedicated app for that.
Yeah,
and maybe that's the next step,
you know, maybe there'll be a DaVinci
whatever other app name and they might
have
like break out the photo editing but
DaVinci developed,
DaVinci Develop.
I that's a nice alliteration. Yeah,
I don't know, anyway. DaVinci Resolve 21,
so that's out there, preview beta and more
AI and software.
Adobe announced updates to Firefly,
which is like their AI assistant.
And I'll include this link if you want to
go to it,
but if you're watching, you can see it
right here.
They kind of have this preview where...
different things you can just prompt Adobe
Firefly and the use cases
are actually pretty wild like let's say
you've taken some headshots
for your business maybe a small business
you can just give it a bunch
of photos and just prompt it hey touch up
these headshots and it will auto align
auto center and adjust the lighting on all
the headshots so they match
you can tell it to mock up like give it a
logo and just say mock up a bunch
of merch and it will do all of that you
can tell it to resize a single image
for all the different ad sizes like
Facebook ads Instagram ads
and Firefly will just do that.
And this is one of the things where this
is not generative per se.
I mean, it is like starting from a logo,
starting from like your brand or whatever.
These tools feel really good, especially
for a small business.
You know, just helping a friend who owns a
chiropractor office in Lakeland
set up some Facebook ads and like all the
different sizes of graphics that
you need specifically for a Facebook ad
and it won't even let you
published until you've met all these
requirements.
And they are not graphic designers.
They basically have one logo that they
paid for years ago,
and that's all they have. It's like,
this would actually be a nice tool.
Now, someone has to have all the Adobe
apps in order to use Firefly.
But for mocking up a bunch of stuff or
being able to do 50 headshots
for a company and rather than going
through each headshot and aligning
and cropping and even copy and pasting
adjustments,
just being able to prompt it, that seems
pretty useful.
~ I think that might be positive.
What do think?
I think Adobe's AI stuff is sort of
interesting because
I don't think like Adobe is where people
do a lot of this work and you've always
had to go somewhere else. Like so you
could go to Gemini and use Nano Banana
if you want to do like generative things.
And Adobe is like we don't like this is
the thing.
This is like the Apple killing the iPod
with the iPhone.
Right. Well, someone's going to do it.
It should just be us. And so I feel like
that that's what Adobe is doing here.
Adobe also has the benefit of a company
full of people who just think
all day long about
how to increase subscription price.
No, I mean, how about how creatives are
doing?
How to serve the customer.
How creatives are doing creative work.
And so you would think they would be in
the position.
But then the other thing that's happening
is you just described
a scenario that Adobe is like,
Yes, even say that louder, because right
now all those small businesses
are just doing it on Canva.
Right, that is true. That is true.
which will do exactly what you just
described.
I know Canva has an AI, it has tools like
that,
just for all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, and it has templates for everything.
Right.
You can be like, I'm going to make a
Facebook
ad. And it's like, here, do you want to?
Here's a template. And here's the thing.
So.
That is true. You know, and what ended up
happening as I was helping these friends
set up the ads, like my one friend would
just get on his phone and like
try to re crop things until Facebook
accepted it.
It's like as the image size and they're
like,
all right, we're good. That's like,
Yeah.
that's like the lowest barrier to entry is
just like using the crop tool
in the photos app on your phone.
And so it is, it is a ~ cell that you have
to convince people to be like,
this is worth it. But if you're,
you know, a freelancer,
and you want to do like a brand kit for
somebody.
Hopefully you're making the brand yourself
and not just generating that with AI.
But once you actually have a logo and then
you want to be able to mock it
up on a bunch of merch to show a brand
like,
here's what it looks like on shirts and
hats and bags.
And also here's what it looks like on a
sign outside your store window.
I don't know, I feel less ~ agita about
using AI for those parts of
the process as opposed to like actually
generating the logo itself.
How do you feel about that as far as the
AI being involved in that part
of the process?
You're saying you've already created the
thing and you just want to put
it in a bunch of, I mean, yeah,
that kind of makes sense. It's like AI
will come up with creative ideas for you.
But what you're really asking it to do is
like this thing that would take
me an hour and a half. You could just do
it really quickly and then I can move
Right.
on to the next thing. I'm fine with that.
Like, I don't think that's a problem.
Yeah, I feel like because
I feel like pixel made a pro since the
last update with creator studio They
actually
have like merch templates where you can
open up a tote a shirt a
hat And literally just drag a logo into
the pixelmator canvas and when
you drop it It will just warp the logo so
it looks like it's on the bag
or it's on the shirt and it's like That
feels like one step away that maybe kind
of a meaningless step to just like
prompting AI to be like hey
Can you put this on a shirt? So I feel
okay with that.
I know people have really strong feelings
and I feel increasing like
on social media that there's like more
pushback on all the AI stuff but then also
I think people are still using it more for
more use cases.
I don't know. Do you feel that tension at
all?
Do you not see that?
Yeah, everyone is
using it. No one wants to talk about it.
That's fine. Like, I mean, I get it.
Right, yeah.
Like if it's the thing that might destroy
your personal career,
like you probably don't want to tell
people you're using it.
But I operate from a philosophy that you
should only do what only you can do.
Hmm.
So like Steven, you're the only person who
can make the Steven Robles videos
and be on the camera because like it's
you,
right? But there are infinity things that
don't have to be you,
right? And if you're the designer and you
have the idea and you have the,
creating the brand, do that part,
but mocking it up on t-shirts is not a
thing that only you can do.
Right.
And when you come across those things,
you may have a great person who works for
you that does that.
But if you don't, I think it's fine to use
these tools.
You should just never use them to do the
thing that only you can do,
which is speak in your voice or create
your ideas.
Hmm.
Yeah, that's good. That's good,
Jason. You should write about that.
That's pretty good. Probably have.
I'm pretty sure I have, but maybe I'll
look into it again.
All right, we need to talk about slash
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I want to talk about Claude. I was so mad
at Claude the other day because
I was doing a live stream for my shortcuts
community and they just
had some massive updates where they
redesigned the app,
number one. They put Claude code in the
app as a tab.
So now you have
chat, co-work, and Claude code all in a
row.
And they also added things that they call
parallel agents,
which I had it rename a bunch of files the
other day and it said
it was using parallel agents. So was like,
okay, I guess if this gets it done faster,
but it was totally broken for like half
the day.
I was in my live stream and I said,
here's a folder in my finder, rename the
files in there.
And it was like, sorry, I don't know.
Something's wrong. And I was like,
really? And then there was another update
late yesterday.
I don't know if you saw that. it...
It did work after that update,
but I was like, Claude, come on,
let's get your act together. You got
Mythos AI that you won't even release
to the public. It's so powerful and you
can't rename some files in my finder,
so.
mean,
maybe Mythos broke the cloud app.
I like that conspiracy. I like that.
We can roll with that. Maybe we'll...
Yeah, so well, OK,
Yeah, go ahead.
two things. They did add co-work.
No, I'm sorry. Plug code to the app
previously because that was what I was
using.
And I asked a chat window quite,
you know, quite in the chat. I was like,
can you? You know, I this app that I made
over there.
Can you go look at it and make some
suggestions for names?
It's like plug code is a command line
thing.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Like I don't have access to those.
And I'm like, but it's like literally in
the same app.
Like just look over there. Just.
do the thing you do and
Yeah.
just figure it out and it wouldn't.
But it used to be like there was three
options at the top of the app
and so you could see which mode you're in
and they got rid of that.
And now there are just three tiny little
icons above and it's like,
Yeah, it's very tiny.
how am I supposed to know which of those
three things is which?
I don't like it at all. Now there are a
shift in like the,
what the interface looks like if you go to
code,
it goes from like obsidian gray to like
dark mode.
This is what it looks like. Yeah,
if you're watching, so this is the new
Claude Mac app.
Ha
Here's Claude code. And yeah, it looks
like this is professional now.
We're in the code world. And then this is
co-work.
and co-work and then there's chat yeah
And so it's a little lighter gray.
And then there's chat. And so yeah,
it's chat. mean, just put the words always
appearing next to the icon
so it's a little more obvious what you're
in.
Yeah, I don't
like that. It's like you wouldn't
automatically be you don't feel like
you're
switching between three modes.
And maybe that's what they want.
But then I shouldn't actually have to be
in different modes if you don't want
Yeah.
me to think I'm in different modes.
Like just put it next to the submit
button.
Do you want to submit this to code,
co-work or chat? Like, I don't know.
That is true, yeah. Anyway,
I don't know. I just.
I'm
glad that code is now in the UI,
because now I might actually try to use it
more,
because I never felt comfortable in
Terminal.
I know other people have gotten used to
it.
yeah, I was never going to use it if it
was,
Yeah.
if I had to just figure
out something in terminal. I know the
reason it wasn't working for
you is probably because Anthropic just
cannot get enough compute.
And so it takes a long time to do certain
things at certain times when they just
do not have nearly enough compute right
now.
Like that's, that is their limiting
factor.
Right.
Like it is, it is probably sure.
I'm sure they'll figure it out,
solve it. But like that would be an
existential problem for a company like
this
is to get more compute.
So if you find yourself where it's like,
you know, can we, can we wait?
Can we do that later? Could I take a nap
first?
It was like noon,
it was like 12 p.m., which is probably
like the start of the work
day for everybody in San Francisco.
They're all opening cloud code
immediately.
Yeah. Yep.
Even everybody in Apple Park, which we're
talk about,
like everybody using it. yeah,
I mean, it's working now. Maybe this is
where Allbirds is gonna come to the
rescue.
Allbirds is gonna help them with some of
GPU.
This is not where all birds is gonna come
to the rescue,
just to be clear. And it's new bird,
No, not at all. yeah,
just to be.
Nuber at AI, excuse me. ~ But also in this
update,
Claude, actually, you can now do parallel
sessions.
So you can start a task and then start
another task,
and Claude can be working on those
simultaneously,
and routines and automations. So you can
actually schedule things to
run at certain times of day, and those
automations will run in
the Cloud and supposedly not on the Mac.
I feel like that's dependent on unless the
task has to do with something
on your Mac.
Like if you have Cloud Cowork and you
create a routine where like every morning
it renames all the files in your downloads
folder,
it's probably your Mac needs to be on.
But I some tasks you can schedule it to be
routine and automation and it'll
run in the Cloud, even if your Mac is off.
yeah, scheduled automations. Cloud,
Yeah.
Cloud. I still ~ have specific use cases.
I still go to ChatjpT for these things,
Cloud for these things. Are you still
straddling the line between some of these?
Yeah, and now they put Gemini on my Mac,
so I gotta figure out how to work that in
there.
I just need a whole space on my Mac.
I'll just put the three chat apps side by
side.
Just do it all. And then they can race.
and then make them race.
To the death. Like, what is that,
Maze Runner? Just kidding. I've actually
never seen that.
yeah, there we go. Hunger Games.
just, I just, yeah, Hulu games.
All right, I want you to tell,
I saw this story and I'm gonna put the
Apple News article in the show notes.
Can you tell me what DoorDash did?
I didn't know this happened.
Hold on
one of our one of our five star reviews
explicitly said something about
how I appreciate you guys don't get if you
don't mix the show with politics.
This I don't want this to be a story about
politics.
No.
So just understand that but and I think
the backstory here was that there's this
like policy or law that you don't pay
Taxes now on tips up to a certain amount
of money and so to highlight this They
did this thing with door dash where door
dash sent a person to them well No,
White House.
they the White House to deliver some
McDonald's to the president because
the president famously is a big fan of
McDonald's and Something like that.
He had that whole spread for like the
Olympic team,
whatever, or some sports team,
Yeah served in Big Macs or whatever and so
people online Were like you tried
yeah. Yeah.
to make this look like this was just this
impromptu door dash delivery
to the president and was clearly staged
which the point I tried to make was
everything about the president take
the current person out of it. Every
interaction the president has
is staged right the logistics that go into
ordering food putting it in
a bag getting a person to knock on the
door of the Oval Office and hand bags
the literal Oval Office.
to the president. That is not a thing that
can happen just impromptu person walks
off the street like okay. No one thought
this was not staged.
Correct. Correct.
All right.
But
DoorDash's PR person took offense to the
idea that people suggested that
it was staged. And the thing is,
it's like, no one says this is staged.
Why are you like, I don't know.
He went off and he went off the deep end.
I
like what you said in your article.
You said this is an unforced error.
It's exactly that because the first
rule of crisis communication, which this
didn't even have to be a crisis,
but he made it a crisis by making himself
the story completely unnecessarily.
It's like just this will pass.
Like, first of all, if you want to go to
the politics,
Right, right, just ignore it, just ignore
it.
something else will happen. Like he'll
order Starbucks and then
the Starbucks person will show up through
door.
Like they'll move on. Like it'll be a
different story very,
Yeah. Yeah.
very soon. I mean, it wasn't even like
hours later that the
You know the head of the center for
medicare Whatever says that
the president believes the diet coke will
cure cancer or something like that Like
you could have just like been quiet and no
one would have been talking about this
story But you decided to take on all these
people and take and it's like
Be quiet.
he felt this obligation to defend this
person like no People would have moved
Yeah.
Yeah. People, yeah. That's the problem.
on and I think if you're the main
character on twitter Which everyone's goal
should
not be to be the main character.
I promise you just please take my personal
experience from this. You don't want to be
Jason was the main character on Twitter
one day
the main character on Twitter.
Like if you could go your whole life
without being the main character on
Twitter,
it'll be a happy life for you.
So you should especially if your job is to
be the PR person for a brand.
No, you should not be the main character.
And I think, yeah, people aren't familiar,
like, the idea of the main character on
Twitter is,
like, not a good thing. If you're the main
character,
it's because you did something dumb,
or you, like, Justine Sacco'd and you
tweeted something really stupid.
But I...
I think we are a little different here.
I don't know. When someone replies to me
personally and tries to either,
like, correct something I said or,
like, attacks...
my knowledge about something, it is a
struggle.
I know if I ignore it, everything's better
overall,
but sometimes I do choose to respond.
there was actually a comment on the latest
Mac Power Users episode where
we talked about Apple HomeKit.
And in that episode, I say that the new
Acara G200 Video Doorbell
is the first power over ethernet HomeKit
Secure Video Doorbell.
And someone commented like,
It's obvious there's so many things wrong
in this episode.
You obviously don't know anything.
This is not the first power of reethernet
doorbell.
And it bothered me because he was actually
correct.
~ The first one was actually a Robin Pro
line,
which no one has ever heard of.
It costs $1,500 and it hasn't been updated
in five years.
And I could have made the argument of like
the Acura one was the first
in all the things. It has thread.
It has 2K like
It is the first in a lot of areas.
The one aspect of power re-therminated was
not first.
But I felt like responding because I found
the timestamp of me talking about
the Robin Proline video doorbell
specifically in an old HomeKit Insider
from five
years ago. And I was like, you know what,
you're right, buddy. But here's how long
I've been covering it.
Here's a link to me talking about that
exact doorbell five years ago.
And I was like, I don't know. Maybe I
should have just ignored him.
But sometimes I do that. I know.
Well, I don't ignore a lot of people but
there is but hold on
know.
there's actually three things I'm to say
really quickly here as long
three things, okay.
as I don't forget them The first one is
the PR person from door dash
was not responding to people who responded
to him He was literally just searching
for mentions of door dash on x and then
just responding to those people
out of the blue He's just dropping into
people's replies all mad about whatever
they
Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that.
said about door dash and this person and
whatever that's like that's bananas Don't
do that, especially if you're supposed to
be the PR person
Yeah, don't do that.
Secondly, there is a measure you should
have.
There's like this filter in the back of
your mind of like,
what will the pain be if I do respond to
this versus what satisfaction will
I get out of responding to this?
And you do have to like be able to gauge
that and just sort of judge like what
you should respond to. And sometimes like
the only response is like,
you seem nice, right? Like you don't want,
you can just, and it will get it out of
you because.
And because the third thing is,
this is just how some people make it
through their day is,
I know a thing and that person was wrong
and they have a platform.
So if I pointed out that makes me better
than them,
like just let them have it. Sometimes you
just know when I say let them have it.
I mean, let them have in their mind their
superiority.
Don't let them have it like punch them in
the mouth.
Right. And sometimes silence is the best
comeback.
And. Absolutely,
Because then, yeah.
because there was a person who kept
responding to some of our videos about
how basically the MacBook Neo is.
Satan spawn and should never exist in
anyone who says that it is I think
the person actually said that my family
might get into a car accident because
I was a liar. ~ yeah, it's real real bad.
really? I missed that.
And I was like, Yeah, I don't think I'm
responding anymore because
you are clearly unwell.
No, no, no
Yeah, no clearly no comments like that.
Yeah, but like I also had The stupidest
video go viral recently which
I shared my speed test of like seven
gigabits And it has a million views
on instagram and a million views on tik
tok and so obviously there's
a ton of comments and like To be fair most
people are either funny or nice
and our our audience is amazing and like
we rarely get that these kinds
of comments one guy
And you never know what attitude is really
behind it.
But one guy commented, well, at least I
have hair.
I was like, well, my internet speed blew
mine off.
And I felt like that was a reasonable
enough comeback,
and I moved on. That's pretty good,
That's pretty good.
stuff like that. I guess, yeah,
when someone is like, you obviously don't
know what you're talking about about Smart
Home, I'm like, bro. But there's also no
point in defending it,
so I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, there
are times. So, OK, here's I don't know why
we're spending this much time.
Sorry. But there are times when I feel
like someone is sincerely contrarian,
meaning they're pointing out something,
but they're they just they're sincere
about it and they think they're helping
Yeah. Right.
you in a way. Right. Like it's not the you
moron.
Whatever. How could you miss something so
obvious?
Right, right, right,
Those I tend to ignore. But the ones who
are like sincere,
I'll be like, yeah, because.
Yeah.
people don't seem to understand that you
can't possibly include
all of your knowledge in one video.
And they think the same thing about every
600 word article that I write is like,
Yeah.
let me just point you to like the 42 other
times I wrote about that,
like
Right,
right, right. Yeah, yeah, it's tough.
Anyway, this is what it's like to create
stuff online,
in case you were wondering. So,
I don't know, I just need to get that off
my chest,
I guess. all right, let's take...
I'm glad you have a podcast because that's
how we do it.
That's literally what it's for.
All right, a couple of... I don't know
about lightning round,
we'll see how fast we get through these,
but Apple is some Siri engineers to an AI
coding boot camp.
I thought this was interesting for a few
reasons.
This feels like you got sent to an anger
management class because you went
off on the intern.
So this is the information is reporting
it.
Part of it seems like maybe it's so the
Siri team can learn how to
use tools like Claude code and open AI
codecs for pro Jason vibe coded app.
I'll teach them. I'll show them.
And so part of is that what I think this
also reveals though is like while Apple
has signed a deal with Gemini and Gemini
will be powering,
you know, the voice assistant come iOS 27
maybe we think that Apple still like.
apparently is trying to get their own
internal team up to snuff to maybe work
on this stuff. And so, you know,
Yeah.
there's that question of like,
Apple still going to be working on its own
models while they're using Gemini
in the meantime? It seems like yes.
I mean, if they're sending engineers to a
boot camp to use these tools,
I imagine because they're working on Apple
intelligence models.
It also might be for like integration
purposes,
like how to integrate Gemini into iOS and
things like that.
But I don't know, it's probably a good
sign,
right? They're sending people.
I mean, I read
this as they want engineers to use cloud
code to make apps
Right.
and they're sending them to a boot camp to
basically figure out how to
do what I took like 10 minutes to do,
but I didn't have to unlearn anything.
Like I didn't have to unlearn how to write
code.
true.
And so I feel like this is what they're
trying to do is like,
I don't know that it's like learn how to
make models.
I think it's learn how to use.
I don't know. This is an interesting story
because the fact that they're
the Siri engineers says something.
Right.
I don't know. Like I'm not sure.
It's interesting.
Yeah, yeah. So interesting tidbit.
That's from the information, but we'll
link the 905 Mac article.
Also a big deal. Amazon bought Global
Star,
which is a satellite provider for 11 and a
half billion dollars in cash.
Notably, Global Star was the satellite
provider for Apple's iPhone satellite
SOS feature. But some interesting points
about like the number of satellites.
So Amazon Leo
which is Amazon Satellite Internet
Service,
which they have partnerships with people
like Delta.
Amazon Leo has 200 satellites up in low
Earth orbit right now.
They've aiming for 1,600 by July,
so just in a few months. In comparison,
Starlink, Elon Musk's satellite internet,
has more than 10,000 satellites,
so a lot more. And Globalstar,
the company Amazon has just acquired,
had 24.
like, like two four, like, like double
dozen.
Yeah.
And so global star had did not have a ton
of satellites in there.
But in acquiring global star, Amazon has
said it has struck a deal,
an agreement with Apple to continue
providing satellite connectivity
for the iPhone satellite SOS and now the
Apple watch ultra three also
the satellite SOS. So Apple will be
partnered with Amazon for at least this
one feature satellite connectivity.
Well, and ~ Apple own, think, 20 % of
global stars.
So in order for Amazon to buy it,
Apple actually, there's like a three way
negotiation going on here because they,
Red.
and there was also, so basically Apple got
paid to just not have to do anything.
It's like they had to buy our share and
we'll just keep using the service.
Great. ~ I think it's interesting though,
Right.
because it's pretty clear that Amazon is
trying to mount a serious like fight
satellite stuff.
against Starlink.
Yeah.
Because
Starlink is the default it is it was
quickly becoming the default
on there on airplanes United jet blue use
them several Emirates I think uses them
Hmm.
and But then Delta didn't go with
Starlink,
which I thought was really interesting
that they went with Amazon Leo
Leo stands for lower Earth orbit They also
just decided to personify it
Right. ~
and turn it into their brand. That's fine
~ But yes,
they have some catching up to do in terms
of their constellation.
They operate slightly differently,
but regardless it is interesting because
Currently Starlink is almost I mean they
do actually you can consumers
can buy them right you can buy the thing
the small satellites They're really
popular
Yeah.
for people like who travel RVs Whatever
you want to stay connected or if
RVs, yeah.
you live in a rural area That just isn't
served well by like wires in the ground.
traditional. Yeah.
Yeah, either fiber or cable or whatever.
That's true But what Amazon Leo just got?
was a billion iPhones. Now, not all
iPhones are gonna support this,
obviously. Except all of those people on
iPhone Xs and XIs and XIIs still
As iPhone 14 and newer, if everybody
remembers.
are eventually going to be upgrading.
Yay.
So there's a billion people using iPhones.
You just got the potential market that
just dwarfs anything that Starlink could
compete with.
Yeah, but there's no monetary benefit to
Amazon.
Well, yet. And that was a point I was
going to make.
When Apple first announced the satellite
SOS with the iPhone 14,
they said it was going to be free for the
first two years and then never mentioned
how much it might cost in the future and
hasn't since ever talked about what
it would cost or have ever charged for it.
And I think Apple just keeps saying like,
yeah, you get free satellite when you
purchase a new device.
And but there's like
No mention of how much this might cost to
have satellite connectivity.
Apple Watch Ultra 3 as well, like when
that came out they didn't say cost.
So maybe we'll actually see.
Yeah, but Apple
is clearly paying for it. Like Amazon is
not just out of the goodness
Apple's paying for it, yeah.
of Jeff Bezos is stone cold heart giving
away free satellite service to anyone.
For sure, for sure.
So I'm just saying there is a huge
monetary benefit to as and and you're
right,
like if it only works on recent iPhones in
the most recent Apple Watch Ultra,
that's.
That's not that huge of a market,
but eventually it will be as all of those
people upgrade.
Yeah.
And so there will be real monetary
benefit.
And even still, even if it's not like
we're just making cash off of this,
you have locked out the biggest competitor
in the market by having a billion users.
competition right
that is true I almost bought starlink
because when we were building this house
frontier and spectrum the two service
providers were both like yeah
we don't service your address and so I
literally ordered starlink and
it was like coming and when we finally got
an address registered at
the post office I called frontier fiber
again and they were like yeah yeah
we service yeah we're all up and down this
tree I'm like why couldn't
you say that the first time like
But it's because we didn't have like a
physical address listed yet,
like in their system every time I called
they were like,
oh yeah, we're not there. So anyway,
was almost did. It didn't,
Your address literally didn't exist.
So of course they weren't serving that
address yet,
I was literally sending them pictures of
like the house being constructed.
but
I'm like, I know the address doesn't
exist,
but we're right here. Can you see this?
But anyway, yeah.
I can
see your box in the ground. Can you just
run another court?
That's it.
Well, the problem for you is that if you
had gotten Starlink,
there's no way you would have gotten those
Internet speeds.
no, definitely not. I also have a bunch of
trees in my area,
so that satellite would have to have been
on a pole that's like 20 stories tall.
That wouldn't have worked. But I think,
Jason, you'll be excited about this news.
I don't know if you heard about it.
Did know you could turn off shorts now in
the YouTube app?
Yeah, but it's weird.
It's weird, it's a screen time limit.
It's like a parental feature, right?
It's a parental feature. Yeah,
Like, so you can turn them off on
yourself.
basically you can set the amount of time
you can spend scrolling shorts
specifically, and if you set it to zero
minutes,
it will apparently hide shorts from your
YouTube app.
But it also is only on the phone.
it is only on the...
And I never use YouTube on the phone ever.
I only use it on I only use it on my
desktop.
Really?
Like I know people use YouTube on their
phone.
I don't understand that. The only time I
ever do is if I want to just quickly like
I watch it wonderful.
either resume something that I had
previously started watching or
Yeah.
I actually just mostly use it for history.
If I'm talking to somebody about a YouTube
video I found and I was like,
let me go back so can send this to you
real quick.
That's it. I don't like sit down and be
like,
Yeah.
let me watch Stephen's latest shortcut
video on my phone.
Well, those are pretty long. Yeah,
I wouldn't do that. But like if I'm ever
going to sit down at lunch and I
You
go out on my patio, I might throw on a
John Green or Hank Green video
or just see what's on the YouTube
homepage.
You
go out on your patio in beautiful Florida
to have lunch and then
Yeah. Yeah.
you look at YouTube.
Well, I listened to it. Those videos
aren't like visual type things.
I listened to it like it's podcast.
I'm saying look
just get in the pool or look at the look
at the sky.
The full I
knew both the time was I'll tell you know
if I just throw some in
my airpods anyway So that YouTube shorts
is pulling you turn off.
There's an Apple pay hack. I don't even
saw this This is by
the YouTube channel Veritasim that you say
Veritasium excuse me
Viritasium.
and so they partnered with MKBHD on this
video and they have Demonstrated
and revealed MKBHD looks very concerned in
this video that there is
an Apple pay hack
that could allow someone to scam an amount
of money from an iPhone even when
it is locked. And they actually do it in
front of MKBHD and he can
see the $10,000 payment taken immediately.
It's a hilarious video. I will link it in
the show notes.
Basically what this is is a Express
Transit,
the feature on your iPhone where you can
set up a card in your Apple Wallet
for transit.
and you don't even have to unlock your
device to use it.
You can just tap your iPhone when you're
getting on the subway
and it will automatically charge without
being unlocked,
without even looking at your phone.
You can set it up on your Apple Watch too.
Well apparently the Veritasium figured out
you can like write the script that runs
and if you hold a device to an iPhone
that's set up with Express Transit card
you can basically make it do a payment,
like make it do the process.
and get whatever money you've specified
out of it.
Apparently this vulnerability has been
around for years.
~ Like multiple years this has been out
there and it's still not fixed even
in the most current versions of iOS.
So again, you would have to have an
Express Transit card set up,
have that feature on, and someone has to
be able to like get close enough
to your phone to actually tap it and then
also might be running a script
on a computer nearby. But it does seem
like a pretty serious vulnerability
Right.
for Apple to not have addressed it even up
until now after several years.
Yeah. I mean,
I think essentially what's happening is if
you can make a payment terminal
act as though it's an express like transit
terminal,
then you can get someone's locked phone to
do that.
I think the only, the only thing that's
fun about this is that like they took
$10,000 from MKBHD. The flex there is that
MKBHD on his phone has
the ability for one of his cars to just
tap to $10,000.
yeah.
Ten, ten grand, yeah exactly. Yes.
So I mean, I imagine now that this video
is out,
hopefully I will fix it pretty soon,
maybe in iOS 26.5, maybe it's a harder
problem than I realized.
Maybe that's why the Siri team's going to
the code camp.
yeah, so that they can just, Clog can take
their $10,000 instead.
Yeah,
well hopefully Clark can help him fix it.
We'll see what she turns out to be.
Just today DJI officially announced the
Osmo Pocket 4.
It is a one-inch sensor, other
improvements,
and now does better slo-mo footage.
Not available in the US. I was literally
gonna buy it today because I
use the Osmo every time I travel.
You can't buy it in the US. It's not
coming.
Apparently it even has a light but I can't
get it which is a...
has a light.
A fill light. Can you get
it on like Alibaba or something like that?
I'll have to check. have to check.
I don't know if this is because of the
like import ban thing or if it's just
I don't know. They're not releasing it in
the US,
but I don't know. Let us know if you can
see it where you could buy it.
You can click the link in the their X
post,
but for here in the US it just shows page
not found.
So can't get it.
So is there anything
about your current one that you don't like
that you would want to buy another one?
This is why people think I don't like
technology because I ask these kinds
The one
of questions.
Why do you hate the Osmo pocket Jason?
I have
one sitting in a drawer right over here.
The only feature that I would upgrade for
is if it could do 4K vertical video.
Because right now I do use my Osmo Pocket
3 to film vertical videos and
it crops it to like 2.5K because the
sensor is horizontal.
Yeah, the orientation of the center,
And so if it doesn't, I did not read that
that is a feature of the Osmo Pocket
yeah.
4 that it could do 4K vertically.
So I probably wouldn't upgrade.
And the sensor's fine, like for what I use
it for.
Got it.
But when that happens...
4k vertical video then I'll upgrade I
still export only 1080p vertical videos
for reels and tik tok but I would like the
flexibility of recording 4k so
I can then crop it into whatever I want
but anyway it's out there at least
Yeah.
if you're not in the US Microsoft is
exploring open claw type agents
in copilot I think I mentioned on last
week's episode that I actually
got to interview like the Microsoft VP
over AI teams or whatever and
he was talking about this literally as I
was interviewing him
It's actually for a sane box mini series
podcast.
The first episode is out there if you're
interested,
but Like the guy was interviewing.
He was like, yeah, I got my co-pilot agent
running over here.
I got open claw running over here.
So, okay Everybody's running agents.
Okay, cool I don't know
Is open claw
just like the shorthand for rogue agents
running on a Mac mini somewhere is that.
I think that is now the term. Do
OK.
you know there's even a convention?
ClawCon? Like...
I do
think that it is a con. Yes, but I think
that this is I don't why
do companies think that I don't I mean
that this is a good idea
Why do companies think what?
to unleash these things on to people like
the outcome.
The best case scenario outcome is amazing.
You have a computer that can do computer
things on its own on your behalf.
That's just not the way it's actually
going to work.
You're going to have computers doing
computer things that the computer thinks
the computer should be doing, whether you
like it or not.
Well, so I've
and suddenly
$10,000 is missing from MKBHD's bank
account.
Clawcon is actually happening today as we
record by the way in
Ann Arbor Clawcon Oh Yeah,
that's just down the road.
that's the end. You should go to Clawcon
You gotta head out of there,
I gotta go, see you, hang on.
but apparently it's all over there's a so
clock on Michigan that's happening
literally today Sao Paulo is 20.
Yeah, it's all it's
I would be
thrilled if that thing would just destroy
that Michigan Stadium.
That would be amazing.
What would the mid you don't like
Michigan?
Please just, yep.
Oh I say I don't know. Listen,
we might have some Michigan listeners
reaching out leave us a five-star rating
on review Let us know Michigan University,
Michigan State your Michigan State guy
Yeah,
Absolutely.
that's the most I just like the amount of
brainpower I just used to make that sports
ball of reference It was like open claw
running on five Mac studios.
you
You need a nap.
I Was I gotta shut down for a while
The computer is, I need a new bird AI.
I'm mixed. I'm impressed you got it right.
Thank you. I'll put a link to ClawCon in
the show notes.
That's good.
So, it sounds like I've thought about,
because Claude can literally control your
computer now,
just the Claude Mac app. And I've thought
about the primary tech daily process,
which for me means I literally open
podcastconnect.apple.com.
I click over to the show, I click create a
new episode,
I copy paste the title description,
the artwork, the audio file. I do that
every day,
literally every day, the same process
every day.
And then I do the same thing in Transistor
for our member full supporters.
Same exact thing, same title, same
description.
I'm like, this feels like if I were to
take the time to train something like
OpenClaw or whatever, that I could just
say run daily podcasts,
whatever.
and it could just do those things.
And so I'm tempted to see if it is capable
of doing that,
but also terrified that it would just
click around on my computer.
Yeah, I mean, the solution to this is you
pay someone $10 an hour to just do that.
Because if they don't do it right,
they haven't emptied your bank account,
you just fire them.
But it also takes, like the time it takes
is very minimal.
And like, if you were to watch me do it,
I think it's probably under three minutes
to do those tasks.
Sure. So
it costs you $10 a week. I will Venmo you
$500 right now so you can
But...
pay someone for a year to do that.
And like it's fine, like it's not even,
it is any tedious task.
I try to automate. I first tried to
automate with shortcuts and that works
a lot of the time. If that doesn't work,
I'll experiment maybe automating it with
Claude Cowork.
And just in my shortcuts live stream
yesterday,
I tried having shortcuts rename a bunch of
files.
Shortcuts are still not as good at that.
It'll like duplicate names, have an error
and then stop the process.
And so shortcuts is, and like,
You could try to build a shortcut that
checks for names every time it's about
to rename another file. It's a pain in the
neck.
Cowork with Claude does it way better,
faster, and way less steps. So Claude
Cowork,
still good for things like that.
But a task where you actually have to go
to a website,
like podcastconnect.apple.com,
and then log in, that's step right there.
I don't think Claude can do it,
because I would either have to pass key
authenticate with touch ID,
or
let Claude give access to my passwords
extension in
the browser and auto-fill my passwords for
me and then also put in
the six digit two-factor code to get into
Podcast Connect and then it's like
in my iCloud. It's in my Apple account.
Right.
That doesn't feel great. Would you let it
do that?
Okay, well, all right.
No, not a chance. I mean, I also
probably wouldn't have someone else do it
because I don't really want anyone
in my iCloud.
Well,
that's yeah, that's the thing and I was
there was another task someone
was trying to have me do and they were
like ~ I was working with a
tax person ~ Because taxes are complicated
and now that I'm self-employed.
I don't want to mess with anything myself
So I have a tax person,
but I use my Apple card to Do a lot of
business things like if ever
I buy something from Apple I use my Apple
card because get 3 % daily cash
and the tax person was like well
You can give us an account to this you
create a view only account
for this bank account So then we can
access that and then you have
to do anything all year. We're just gonna
handle your books I was like great
and then like well, about this card?
It's like, yeah Well, we just authenticate
your card and then we can
see all the transactions. We don't have X.
Okay, great Let's do that and then it came
to the Apple card and they were like,
~ well You can give us access to your
iCloud account I guess because that's what
you need to log into even the card dot
apple.com website
They're like, well, you can give us access
to that or you could just download your
statement once a month and upload that to
our portal.
I'm like, I'm going to do that.
I'm going to do that. I'm not,
I'm not giving you access to my iCloud
account.
that, is unfortunate because it's like
Apple card.
I would think that'd be a good feature.
They have like for accountants where you
can like give you only access
to the transactions, but I'm just going to
download statements and give it to them.
So anyway.
Yeah, that's probably
a better idea. I think that it's just the
true statement to say that
our information architecture was just not
designed for this sort of thing because
You can you can decide I want to have a
shared email box with my spouse
and you know like whether or not you trust
the person to just like
Right.
and it's your spouse or whatever or if you
have an assistant you can
be like I'm gonna give my assistant access
to these three email accounts
not this one definitely not like all of my
purchases or whatever like whatever
it might be
And you like the context you have there is
like it's a human being and so
if I'm mad at the person or what or just
there's a trust level but a computer
is a computer and you're like I don't but
you don't know what happens with
the computer right like you just I don't
know it's just weird also and
Yeah, I can't look you in the eyes.
I can't look, Claudio.
I can't fire you I mean I can stop using
you but by then it's probably just too
late
probably
too late. Yeah, I can't look it in the
eyes.
You can't look it in the eyes and
entertain it.
And I don't want to.
Unless
it's wearing a Vision Pro.
You know what? I'm glad you said that
I don't know why, but okay.
Literally rushed to do something before we
recorded today,
and I totally forgot to talk about it You
can watch the Artemis to launch
in 360 degree video on Apple vision Pro In
the YouTube app I would encourage
That's amazing.
you to do it It's a little underwhelming ~
Only because the quality
is not great Like it's I don't know it
doesn't it's not like Apple immersive
quality. It's like I Don't know they put
it into 360.
I think like a couple hundred feet away
from the launch
It is cool to be able to do it.
And so if you have a Vision Pro,
try it out. It's in the YouTube app.
You go to the NASA channel. Maybe this is
why YouTube finally launched their
app in the anticipation of things like
this.
But you should try it. I'd be curious your
thoughts about it.
All right.
actually, I charged my Apple Vision Pro.
Now I've got to update it because it's got
a Vision OS update that
I haven't done yet. All right,
last couple stories, and then we're going
talk about Jason's Vibe-coded apps.
Wanted to mention, Apple did actually put
some pressure on the Grok app.
because of some of the deep fakes and
inappropriate images it was generating.
This was not public, but apparently Apple
threatened to remove Grok from
the App Store. And I guess they updated
the apps to meet the guidelines,
and obviously Apple has not kicked them
out.
Apple reviewed the changes and said that
it resolved some of the violations.
I think some people still discover that
Grok and XAI does still generate some
inappropriate images, but Apple did put
some pressure on them.
you know debatable if it was enough
pressure but they did
Yeah, I don't
know if this is a good look for Apple or
not,
to be honest, because when you read it,
Yeah, I don't
it's like they had substantially resolved
its violations.
Grok remained out of compliance.
I don't actually know how those two things
can exist in the same sentence,
but ~ I just feel like, you know,
Yeah.
only it says only after further back and
forth that Apple determined Grok could
substantially improved and approved its
submission.
I don't know. Like this is weird because
this stuff just happens behind the scenes,
you know, but Apple.
Does Apple care because it was violating
it or because there was a lot of bad
press?
Well, and this was not even something
Apple publicized,
you know, this is a Verge story.
No, I mean the
fact that Grok was doing this was getting
a lot of bad press.
~ right,
right, right. Yes, yes, yes. I mean,
I think that's why they did that.
Yeah. So there's that. And last thing,
Sam Alpen actually wrote a blog last week.
And this is in reference to a couple of
people have actually attacked his home,
one allegedly threw a Molotov cocktail at
his house.
And I think there was a second ~ attack.
So bottom line, like, that's not good.
That's wrong. Like
People should not be attacking Sam Altman,
no matter how much you disagree with him
or dislike him.
And so he wrote this blog post,
shared a picture of his family,
and then wrote a bunch of stuff about what
he's doing with
AI and his genuine feelings towards it.
And he also, he has some personal
reflections.
He also talks about some thoughts about
the industry.
Did you get a chance to read this article?
I did.
Okay, listen, I don't know,
old man personally. On one level,
like it feels genuine. On another level,
it's like, I don't know how you can write
something and being the CEO
of a company like OpenAI not be super like
high on it.
You he says things in his article like AI
is changing the world.
Like this is going to be the biggest thing
ever.
And maybe he truly believes those things,
you know.
This is not like a press release for
OpenAI.
This is like his own personal blog.
And I also understand like he is hoping
that writing this would limit
or reduce the desire that people would
have to literally attack his house,
which again, it's not good people
shouldn't do that.
But I don't know, I was I was curious your
thoughts after reading this article.
Okay, I actually have four now.
~ One, you should not attack anyone's home
with a Molotov cocktail.
Okay.
Like that just goes without saying Sam
Altman or anyone like you just like that's
bad. Second, when you want to ask people
not to attack your home,
you should not include a picture of your
baby.
That's real, real, real, real bad.
That felt a little... yeah, yeah.
Like don't do that. And this goes to the
third thing,
That didn't feel good.
which is I don't think anything about this
is genuine.
And I think Sam Altman is a sociopath.
Really? Really?
And the reason I think he's a sociopath is
he's like a pathological liar
and he used a picture of his baby.
Who would Stephen like, when people say
mean things to you on the internet,
Mmm.
do you post a picture of your family to
like try to persuade them not
to know they already threw Molotov
cocktails at his house and you just remind
people
And nor do I have a desire to.
who's in the like, I don't that's
completely bonkers but
I think Sam Altman is a sociopath and
that's why it doesn't click in his head.
the think about this, the one of the last
lines in here says something about once
you see a GI, you can't unsee it.
has a real ring of power dynamic.
Are you like the eye of Sauron?
Like what are you? What in the world are
you like?
That does feel.
Guess what? The moral of that story is the
rings needed to be destroyed,
Yeah.
right?
That was the saddest of ones.
The moral of
the story isn't we should all have rings.
The moral of the story is we had to take
it to Mordor and destroy
the ring because it was too harmful.
And it should have never been made in the
first place.
Am I wrong about the moral of the story?
No, that is absolutely correct.
So why would you so you believe that
sincerely,
Yes.
then what are you doing? Like this is
completely insane to me,
That is true.
which tells me that it's not genuine at
all.
Like, I just don't think Sam Altman is
genuine about really.
I mean, he genuinely doesn't want people
to attack his house.
Do you feel, and he, ~ but he apparently
feels like-
Okay, fair. Okay, yes,
that's true. I will retract
my statement that he's not genuine about
anything,
sorry.
Well, and he
apparently feels like writing this would
lessen the risk of that.
I don't think he would have written it.
I don't think he has anyone in his life
that could be like this might
not be the right way to like this is okay.
Here's the perfect example. Not it's not
exactly the same thing because thankfully
Hmm.
no one has ever thrown anything at my
house that I'm aware of right.
But there was a time we already mentioned
it when I got to be the main character
on Twitter for a day and my first instinct
was I needed to write something
Yes.
to like defend myself or whatever.
And what I ended up writing was fine but I
still shouldn't have written
it because I could I wasn't separated from
the fact that I just felt
a certain sort of way about
Yeah.
that
experience. And so I'm like, I have to
write something in my editor was like,
this is a good article, you shouldn't have
written it because the only reason
you wrote it was because you had feelings.
And that's exactly what happened here.
Right. And again, no one should be
throwing even though I just said what
Hmm.
I said about Sam Altman. I don't think any
like he that's that's him like
you can't like, there's nothing about the
fact that I think he lies about
a lot of this stuff that
warrants any kind of physical behavior
towards him.
So you still feel like when he talks about
AGI,
like he said here, he is blowing smoke.
Like he's not actually, like AGI is not
some life-changing thing.
He is saying that because he still needs
to carry that line.
So OpenAI keeps getting investments.
Or do you think, like when you say
sociopath,
do you think A scenario I just said he's
carrying the line for investments
or B is he just so deluded that he truly
believes it is the ring of power?
Yeah, maybe that's better. Maybe that's
fair.
I should correct myself. Maybe he is
genuine about this.
Like maybe he sincerely believes what he's
saying.
But I think he is just the most online
human being that there is.
And so his perspective is just completely
clouded by that.
So that doesn't change the fact that I
think he's like a sociopath.
Right.
And just to be clear, sociopath doesn't
mean evil.
Right.
right? It
means there's a disconnect between their
perception of reality and the
way that they portray reality and actual
reality.
think that any like, we've heard enough
stories recently,
we've read enough stories recently about
Sam Altman to be like,
Yes.
I think this is probably the case,
right? The New Yorker profile,
which I don't even understand how he like
contributed why he even
a lot like participated in that was not a
flattering thing.
Correct.
So that and we did not talk about that
last week and then I heard,
you know, the Vergecast talk about it,
Dithering, they talked about it.
And honestly, like we should have linked
that last week.
This was the New Yorker profile,
which is a horrifying AI generated image
as this headline.
But it's Sam Altman may control our
future.
Can he be trusted? It is an extremely
lengthy profile.
I believe it's like one. It's like 30,000
was very long.
It's like 30,000 words.
It's 15,000 maybe. don't know.
~ But if
and it is behind the paywall ~ so You go
okay you read an Apple News.
but you can read it in Apple News.
I'll find the Apple News link for
everybody Yeah,
and Sam Holman in his blog post personal
blog post.
This is not on the opening I website he
called it an incendiary article
Now people on X gave him heat for that
because it's like is this incendiary
or is this just a profile that you don't
like?
because it's
Right.
sharing facts about yourself that you
don't like.
And Sam Altman on X literally said,
I regret calling it incendiary.
So I don't know,
like maybe he is a sociopath. I also
wonder,
is he just so shrewd
and not shrewd in like a positive way?
Is he just so shrewd that he knows,
like what is he known for? Raising money.
He's known for being able to get lots of
funding even if the promise
is bigger than what can be delivered Is he
just super shrewd and like because
he posted on his personal blog post it
appears more genuine But he is still using
it as a platform to be like AGI it's the
ring of power and we got it like
it like there's still that element there
and I don't think that has anything
to do with people throwing Molotov
cocktails at his house I feel like it's
you know,
he's just throwing that in there to kind
of boast open AI again.
I don't know it it felt weird
Bottom line is, I think if it felt weird,
the whole blog post, I think he was mad
about this New Yorker piece and the
profile.
And I don't know, it's just weird to me.
Yeah. Someone's going to comment and
remind us that there's that what
I probably was referring to as a
psychopath,
which again, I'm not these words sound
super bad versus a sociopath,
but psychopaths tend to be very charming,
right? They do. They tend to be very,
Sure.
very, very true. They are. They they they
are able to fit in.
They are very cold, but they can mimic
emotion very well.
And if we know anything, Sam Altman is
incredibly charming.
Right. But so.
Anyway, there's there's a difference
there.
I don't know. I think is he genuine?
Hmm. It's it's just really hard to I don't
think somebody who really felt deeply,
deeply personally affected by the thing
that happened would post a photo
of their child on the because it's like,
how many 10s of millions of people read
that post?
Like
But is it also possible that however
shrewd and intelligent he might
be in some areas, he's also naive
and like social and maybe he feels like,
absolutely. And he's just too online.
He just doesn't think. Yeah.
I he literally said I hope posting a
picture of my family dissuades people from
attacking our house. He might genuinely
believe that would help.
Sure. I remember I came across just
yesterday,
~ social media, like it was an Instagram
post that,
that, was like, this is interesting.
And it doesn't really matter the context
except for it was like a person
who had five to 6,000 followers on
Instagram.
And there was a picture of this person
with their family standing in front
of their house, which whatever,
but you could see the house number and the
street number.
Like never do that. You literally never.
like, because they're just crazy people
out there who will do things.
I think MKBHD has talked about that,
where he exposed an address in a video,
he blurred it out shortly after,
but weird things still happen when you're
that public.
And I've tried to be very careful with
that,
and there is one...
I don't even
know where Stephen lives. He won't even
let me come to his house.
That's true, I don't. I say, listen,
we're gonna meet at this first watch,
we're gonna eat an omelet, and then we're
gonna leave.
Yep. You came all this way, but no,
You know,
this is the closest you're getting.
that's it. No, that's not true.
~ But I do, like, my address was actually
in a video for a while,
and some people are helpful, but then also
call attention to it.
They're like, hey, your address is at 45
minutes or whatever,
and it's like, well, maybe don't say that.
Right,
maybe quietly send me a message.
Yeah, you're
send me message. And YouTube has this blur
tool where you can actually blur
an uploaded video and you don't have to
re-upload it.
So I used it to blur it out. But I do have
concerns of like,
I'm not popular enough for people care to
come visit,
you know, to come harass my house.
Which I guess is positive. But I don't
know,
I don't know. I feel like he is a
interesting character.
And I don't know. I read that blog post
verbatim and I was like,
I don't know, man. I just don't know.
It also feels like from Dario Amadei on
Anthropic,
have Sundar Prachai at Google,
and you Sam Altman at OpenAI, and it feels
like Sam Altman is the kid in the room.
Smart kid. He is really shrewd in raising
money,
and maybe he's a good salesman.
I don't know, are you a good salesman if
the product isn't up to snuff?
I don't know, but.
Well,
no, mean, a good salesman can sell snake
oil,
right?
Right, because he
saw ice to Eskimos kind of thing,
but so I don't I don't know it was weird I
need to read the whole New Yorker piece.
I did not read that in full, but I don't
know felt weird just felt weird
It does give a lot of context to the whole
fire not fired thing
and the reasons behind that and just that
he wasn't candid and a lot of that kind
of stuff. And so I just I think on a
personal level,
this post was a mistake and adding that
picture was a mistake.
And it is it is surprising to me.
That was, yeah.
that someone like Sam Altman doesn't
inherently know that that's a mistake
in that context. I just yeah.
Well,
the last thing I'll say, and then we'll
talk about something happy,
because Jason Vibe quoted to Maps is what
I want talk about.
I have been in situations where it
is clear the leader does not subject
themselves
to accountability and place people around
them with the ability to say no.
And I'm sure a lot of our listeners and
viewers probably work in places where it's
clear like, OK, this boss doesn't have
anybody telling them no.
and doesn't want anyone around them saying
it's a bad idea.
And it feels like Sam Altman is in that
kind of position,
where he does not have anyone around him
that he is allowed to say,
no, that's a bad idea. And even that clip
that we actually talked about last week
of him talking about how the moment before
AGI feels like the moment before
the pandemic. And you see these three
other guys sitting at the table.
And as Sam Altman is saying this,
surely going through their heads,
they're thinking, man, I don't know if you
want to make that comparison.
The same thing compared to Yeah
But no one but no one says anything and I
don't think
those guys around the table feel like they
could say anything And I don't know what
Sure.
kind of leader Sam all that is behind the
scenes But in that moment if
you look at those big dudes faces It's
like I know that feeling that those dudes
have and it's the feeling of like wow our
leader is saying something Maybe
not great, maybe kind of dumb
I don't think that means what you think it
means.
I don't think it means what you think it
means,
but I'm also not free enough or don't have
the ability to actually
say something to change it. And so yeah,
Yeah, no, think that's right.
that's what I've gotten from it.
Thank you. It took me a while to get
there,
but I think that's my thought about it
right now.
All right, so anyway, let's talk about
something happy.
You made some apps. You vibe coded some
apps.
I did.
What did you do? What prompted you wanting
to do this first?
I don't like the phrase. I
don't like the phrase vibe coded just to
be clear,
but that's what happened. No, that's
exactly what it is.
What do you call it? OK.
I just don't like the phrase. I think it
has a really bad connotation that
was that it has a bad connotation because
there are plenty of people
who make software for a living who also
have blogs and are like,
don't vibe coding is a terrible idea.
Who would do that? And on the one hand?
I understand because I'm a writer and I
don't think vibe writing is a good idea.
Like AI slop exists everywhere.
No, don't do that.
I'm also a photographer. I don't think
vibe photos is a good idea either.
Yeah, it hurts.
Like that I get that. ~ So I made two
apps.
I made them purely for myself.
Right. So that was this would be like if I
wanted to get my thoughts down
Right.
in writing and I just wanted to talk it
through with an AI chatbot.
Like I think that's different than having
a chatbot make you a product that
you then would post on your website or
something like that.
OK. So I wanted there was two apps in the
first one I did.
Yeah.
Well, I'm going to actually talk about in
the reverse order.
I told you the first one I did was a note
taking app.
And the reason I did this is
I use Ulysses. So this is not a
replacement for that.
That's my writing app. That's different
than note taking.
But I take a lot of notes. And for the
last year and half or so,
I've been just using the notes app,
which is great. But the notes app doesn't
have context associated with notes unless
you put them in a notebook or whatever you
might want to do.
Tag them or whatever. Yeah.
Bear has tags like there's that kind of
thing.
I know this screenshot looks terrible
because I blurred out all the content of
this.
But you can see the the the if you're
watching this,
you can see. But if you're not watching
it,
that's fine. And essentially what I did is
I wanted to
note taking app that syncs things with my
calendar.
So there's the context of this is the
meeting.
Here are the notes for that meeting.
And I can literally just click on anything
in the calendar,
which is down the right side. And it'll
say,
you want a new note with this?
And I can create a new note. Now there is
an app that does this agenda.
I used agenda for a long time.
And I had to stop because I hated the UI
so much that it just made
me angry every time I used it.
Okay, but it was this exact like
Concept where you could create notes
directly from your calendar.
So it syncs your calendar in This is just
using event kit So that's just like
Apple's native if you've logged into an
account on your Mac You can just have
it do that. You don't have to log in
separately to calendars,
right? And then it you can create
notebooks so you can organize things you
Yeah.
can ~ and as I went through this process
literally I gave it like
a paragraph of instructions and Ten
minutes later.
Yeah. And this was Claude,
I had an app and I sat
to be clear.
Yeah,
clog code. Yeah. And I sat there with my
literally with my jaw,
like, for like 10 seconds, like I could
not believe that it had done this
and that it was good.
And to
be clear, this is you have Xcode with
Claude in Xcode,
and that's where you prompted it.
No, I just went to cloud the app and went
to the code and it did it all.
And it created the Xcode project.
did all of that. So I didn't open.
created the Xcode project.
Yeah, I didn't even open Xcode until I was
like,
it told me, OK, now go and click command R
to run it and you'll be able to.
I was like, where what do I do?
Whoa, wait a minute.
And so then I.
okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. So when I
Vybe coded an app,
I was going back and forth. It was before
Claude was integrated into Xcode directly.
And I created the Xcode project in the
file and I had to figure out how
to do all that. And I was copying and
pasting code and it took a while
and then I could run it. You're saying you
prompted Claude in the Claude
Mac app and then it did a bunch of stuff
and the next thing you could
do was just click run and that was it.
Yeah, so I I'll send you
That's insane.
these so that in case you want to include
them,
but I said, I don't know anything about
coding,
but here's what I want is like,
great. This is absolutely buildable.
This is what I need. And it's like,
what kind of layout do you want?
Ask me a couple of questions. Then it said
something like,
are you using Mac? What version of Mac OS
are you using?
And then it did everything. It says it was
done.
And then it said, let me know how the
build goals go.
It if X code shows in years, paste them
here and I'll fix them.
And the first time it failed to build.
So I pasted it in, it fixed them all.
And then it worked.
And I was like, wow, that's, it says,
it says press command B again should be
zero issues.
Then hit the play button to launch it.
And I did it. And it just all like.
Worked and I had an app and then I spent
like the next couple days like tweaking
it So I'm like, okay Well, I want the note
pane to be dynamic so that if
I close the calendars It just fills that
space and I made it so you
Yeah, yeah.
can open and close the notes view You can
open and close the notebooks view.
I added markdown support. It has text
formatting It has the all the paste paste
you
and ignore style. It has remove formatting
and Steven actually this
is like the genius if you show that other
Screenshot I added it up. So uses Apple
intelligence.
You can summarize your Meeting notes and
it'll add it at the top and then
it will create to do's From now,
~
this is actually insane because all I did
here was our friend Nate
had asked a question and I wrote my answer
in the notes app and then I
~ Copy and paste it into messages and
stuff like that.
a and paste of it.
But I was like so I didn't this does not
need a summary or to do's but
I can then send those to-dos to things or
to-doist,
or I can add them to the note at the top
of the notes,
~ my goodness.
like here's the action items from this
meeting.
Yeah, yeah,
And if I do that, there's also a pane at
the bottom of the main view for to-dos.
So you can, it'll aggregate all your
to-dos in one place.
You can see right now there aren't any
showing there,
Artidus.
but then you can individually.
go and add individual to-dos to things.
So like, let's say I don't want to add all
these,
but I have to, and it just constantly
aggregates them.
And if you check them off in one place,
it checks them off in the other place.
And once you send them to things,
it will leave them in the individual note
so that you remember that they were there,
but it removes them from that to-do pane
because they don't want two to-do lists,
right? And that's all Apple intelligence
on device just doing that for me.
Wow.
It was insane that it just did this.
That's nuts, Jason.
And then you can share it. can also,
people,
people were sending me messages.
I'm like, well, they're like, well,
isn't this the same as granola,
one of our sponsors? But I think granola
is based on like,
it's like an Otter competitor,
but it's local on your Mac. yeah,
Yeah, it's like a transcribing,
meetings, audio recordings.
I was like, well, it would, mean,
I might as well have a feature where I
could drop an audio file in here.
So I added that. And then I was like,
Good.
also why, if you're going to have an audio
file,
you could drop in here. It could just
record audio,
transcribe it all on device and add it to
your note.
So it technically will do that.
That's not the reason I created this
because I actually write a lot of notes
for a lot of things, for briefings,
for all kinds of stuff. And what I really
wanted is for those to be synced
to my calendar so there's the context,
be able to organize them in notebooks and
then make sure that I don't miss
any of the to-dos I need to do from those.
And it's amazing. And I didn't write a
single line of code.
Jason, this is nuts.
this is for me. ~ Now this will let me use
Apple intelligence.
I actually switched it so the summaries
now are coming from chat GPT.
But so I actually, cause it did a better
job than Apple intelligence
did because if you have a really long
note,
the context window is not big enough to
use Apple intelligence on device.
Yeah. Right.
So I had to use the API, the chat GPT API.
So I'm using that and I just created a
settings pane and I can just tell
it like which, which you could use Gemini,
you
you could use quad, you could use chat
GPT.
~ And I think I put $10 of credit.
on there and it's used like three and half
cents or something like that.
It's like it goes a long way. So
Now,
okay wait, the notes themselves.
Are these living in like a proprietary
database in like a folder on your Mac?
It's just
Are these...
like notes. So it's just living inside of
the app.
So there's not a bunch of like markdown
files like Obsidian.
Nope, nope. can share,
you can export them like as a Markdown
file and you can actually
use Markdown to create notes. Like it'll
accept all Markdown formatting.
Bye bye.
One thing I'm going to add is what like
Ulysses and Bayer will do is it's like,
if I have Markdown, can I just export it
as HTML?
Right, right, right, right.
Absolutely, it will do that. It doesn't
yet.
~ I could also just take this and I could
Hit the share sheet and I could send it to
you as a message and it'll just send
you all the text right now because you
don't this isn't there's
no sharing between It's not like notes
where you could share a note with somebody
Right.
through iCloud So there's no iPhone app or
iPad app,
but they're probably will do that if I can
figure out how to make the Well,
I don't have to figure it out Claude code
will figure out how to make
Cloud will figure it out. Yeah,
it something that syncs with iCloud and so
you could just access your stuff
it'll probably
on your phone or whatever so
add iCloudKit pretty easily.
it'll do all of it. Like, Stephen,
this
is insane the way this works. Now,
yes, I'm not a coder. I am a writer,
so I could probably figure out coding as
well.
My point is, this is exactly what I
wanted.
And I said this before, I said,
Yeah.
I think that the hot take here,
and this is not original to me,
is that the killer skill is not writing
code.
It is knowing what the app should do.
It is the idea.
and the ability to understand and
internalize what the workflow
and the user experience should be like,
because now you don't have to write the
code.
You just have to know that stuff.
So, which leads me to the second one,
Yeah, man. You're right, because you vibe
coded two apps.
which is actually more mind blowing that
it worked than this one.
Here's what I wanted, Steven. When we're
talking about stuff,
I wanted to be able to easily be like,
when did we talk about this thing?
What do we have to say about whatever?
I wanted to be able to like think of all
that kind of stuff.
I was like, well, the only way to do that
is right now you could go
to Apple podcast and you could go through
every transcript and
you could search them. Or do we have Mars
on transistor like the transcripts there?
Yeah, so that's the point.
Some of them, it's complicated,
yeah. Yeah.
It's very complicated. I could download
all the audio and I could transcribe them
and like copy them into the notion.
Like, wait a minute, I could download all
the audio,
transcribe them and then do something with
them.
It's like, well, Claude can make that for
me.
So literally the little arrows up at the
top there is just
an RSS feed point to an RSS feed and you
copy an RSS feed in there.
And what it does is it starts downloading
all the episodes.
It'll download five at a time and then
it'll start transcribing them.
And again, this is all just the whisper
transcription on device that it's doing
this. And once it transcribes one,
it'll delete that audio. So you're not
storing all of this audio
Okay, okay.
and it only downloads five at a time.
So you don't need like 10 gigs of space
for some of these shows.
So to download them and then it'll
transcribe them.
And our show has 130 episodes.
So it took like overnight.
to do the transcription, but fine,
Sure, All right.
you do that once. And now when this
episode drops,
it'll just pull it in, because it's just
looking at an RSS feed.
It'll download the audio, it'll transcribe
it.
And then you have a chat window and you
can just ask it stuff,
Stephen. I can be like, yeah, this one is
how have we talked about
Peace.
how we handle screen time for our kids'
devices?
Again, this was a text conversation we
were having with a friend and it'll tell
you.
Here's the things you said, it gives you a
reference for when that date was,
and then it shows you all of the episodes.
And if you were clicking on one of those
sources,
it would just pull up that transcript and
highlight that section in that transcript.
~ my goodness.
And this one really took more thinking
through because you can also,
if you go back to the other view,
just search, like it'll just, you click on
any of those,
it would just show you the transcript and
you could just do a normal search,
Yeah.
like an actual just search.
through that like you would be able to do
an Apple podcast and that's fine as well.
But what it was doing is the chat window
was showing up at the bottom
of each transcript and I'm like,
well that makes it look like I can only
search the transcript.
So I had to get it to change the user
interface.
Then I had to get it to like, I had to
figure out the logic of,
well if I ask a question, when's the most
recent time we talked about the Mac mini,
it needs to go back through, find all the
instances of the Mac mini.
But again, this is using Gemini.
Even Gemini has a.
token limit and if you have a show with
500 episodes,
you can't send all the transcripts,
right? So it first has to do a search,
find the most relevant things and really
what the LLM is doing
is parsing your search.
Wait, so Google Gemini is the search part
of this app?
So Google Gemini is the LLM part of this
app.
So what that means is when I say when's
the last time we've about such
Pachoo!
and such thing, Gemini is making sense of
that.
But you used Claude to build this one too.
And the transcription is happening through
Whisper,
Correct. Yep.
which is OpenAI.
but it's just open source and it's just
doing it on your Mac.
Right, right, and then Jim and I is
parsing your request.
So you have like all three.
So this one you could
actually pick, I made this so you could
use Apple intelligence,
which don't, you could use Gemini,
you could use OpenAI or chat GBT,
or you could use Clyde. You can just plug
it in.
There's just literally a settings pane
that says drop your API
key here for whichever one you wanna use.
I just found Gemini did the best job of
parsing the search query
or parsing the natural language request,
turning it into a search query,
finding the relevant examples,
and then delivering you back the
information you wanted.
And this one, I'm like, this is a super
niche product because literally
the only people who could possibly care
are like podcast hosts,
but.
No,
that's not true though. I underscore David
Smith literally has a website,
I forget what it's called, it's like
podcast search,
where he transcribes several shows and it
is a public search where
you can just like, there's a little search
box and you can search and
Sure.
it will just tell you what episode of what
podcast that was mentioned
in or that story was done. So like,
it's pretty nice.
I asked it, I said, could you just give me
a list of all the things that Stephen
has talked about having bought on the
show?
And it just did it. Yeah.
That is amazing. listen,
kudos. mean this is super cool.
Like these are actually useful super cool
apps and now I'm tempted to
be like I couldn't get behind Obsidian
because of that UI.
Yeah.
Oh, sorry, the
the the this app will just let you when
you transcribe things just like
you just want to send all this stuff to
notes or to notion or to obsidian.
And you can just send all those
transcripts to obsidian if you'd prefer
to use it there. It was do it one click,
Right, right, right.
it'll just send it all to obsidian.
I need to vibe code something.
want to see if I can make a notes app that
I like as much
as Bayer for the UI but works with
markdown files in the background.
I think I'm going try and do it.
I'm going try and make a better Obsidian.
It's probably like not it's it's
shockingly less difficult again the making
of the app version one of this took not
very long at all and then I'm like,
All right.
~ well, if I hit command, command B,
it should just bold things but that wasn't
I didn't tell it to do that.
So I had to go back and like build those
things in if it's like,
if I add the h1 header to something and I
hit return,
it should go back to body, you know,
text and said, I want like five different
Right.
font options because I don't necessarily
want SF mono or whatever like
Right, right, right. You gotta tell it all
the things.
you know what I mean a system font or
something so you just have to think
it through it's like if I hit command and
it should just open a new note like
it should just do that and then also this
is actually kind of cool
Right, right.
if and if something on your calendar is
about to happen it'll just say
do you want to create a new note for its
surfaces that and says do you want
~ my word.
a new note for that but if you've already
created a note let's say
you were taking notes in advance for your
meeting it'll say you've already created
this note do you just want to
It's really cool.
Wow, all right. This is very cool.
This is very cool. will... People are
going to want these apps,
Jason.
You can email the other guy at whatever
our email is.
PrimaryTech.fm.
Yeah, the other guy, and let me know if
you think either of these are viable apps.
They are nowhere near ready to be
available to other people because
I didn't write any of this code,
so I don't actually know what's happening.
I would need to find someone to like QA
these and make sure that they're okay,
Yes.
but yeah.
That is wild. Well, very cool.
That is super cool. And man, that gets me
excited.
It makes me want to try and vibe cut
something.
But anyway, email the other guy at
primarytech.fm if you have questions
or want him to publish these something.
That's very cool. We're going to talk,
Yeah.
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