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That's for if things get really hardcore or if you want to blow up some moons.

Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters.

Tons of AI news this week.

OpenAI required a podcast and Sam Altman compared AGI to the pandemic.

Anthropoc created a scary model that they're not even letting normal people use.

Google makes it easier to deep fake yourself.

Meta released a super intelligence labs model.

I finally got a refund for my XDR VESA mount and a ton more.

This episode is brought to you by CleanMyMac, Granola and you, all of you who support the
show directly.

Thank you for that.

I'm one of your hosts, Stephen Robles, joined as always by my friend, Jason Aitin.

How's it going, Jason?

Much better than last week.

Very much better.

right.

Your tooth, you've not been to the dentist, but you got something taken care of.

the emergency room instead and just had them punch me in the face really hard and no, I
had an infected tooth last week.

They gave me an antibiotic, which will, which is really the most effective painkiller when
you have a toothache because probably it's infected, which it was.

So yeah, I will be less grumpy, but only slightly because grumpy is my shit.

grumpy about the Kindle news, which we'll also get to later.

All we have a bunch of five-star reviews.

Shout out Smashing Sensation from the USA.

Appreciate the chemistry.

Looks forward to the podcast.

Beridi from the UK.

I love this guy and the other guy.

We're both guys in his review.

Awesome podcast.

Attention to links, chapters, and now videos.

That's right.

Also, he goes for dog walks in sunny South Wales.

Robert, his Cocker Spaniel, loves our voices.

Well, that's super fun.

Luke the Dev from Australia, another Australia listener, battery percentage on, phone in
back pocket.

Back pocket phone.

Leave us a five star rating review if you put your phone in your back pocket.

Let us know.

RGB the Tech Guy from the USA, and now he supports the show.

Thank you for that.

Kojin27, he gave us a four star review.

Now listen, I don't know if that was a mistake or not.

He was requesting music during the ad breaks.

But listen, I'm letting go the five star rating goal.

It's okay.

Thank you all for doing it, but keep the ratings coming.

Let's just get to 1,000 and we'll see what we are at then.

See you for a five-star rating then.

seems as though people are now trying to hold us hostage.

And I want to be clear that the primary tech position is we don't negotiate with
terrorists.

So if you're going to leave us a review, leave us five stars, leave us whatever stars you
want.

We're no longer going to be held hostage to the idea that if you break our rating now,
suddenly we have to change the entire show.

We do appreciate people leaving rating and the suggestion is not bad, but I don't think it
made it a four star podcast instead of five.

Exactly.

So only mentioning five star reviews from now on we'll say that a Shahab from Canada,
which is also in my shortcuts community Hey Shahab, he does keep Apple boxes and Apple TVs

on all the TVs also vision Pro m2.

There you go.

Vision Pro user.

That's pretty cool.

gee podcast 7 to 8 from the USA They don't know why they're still using Apple podcast.

That's okay.

Listen overcast transcripts launched publicly now if you want transcripts for every show
including member feeds because that's one of the things where

If you do support the show, and we'll put the link down in the show notes, I want
chapters, get it for 25 bucks a year, $2.50 a month, the Overcast app will now transcribe

even private feeds, which is wild.

Apple Podcast doesn't even do that, so that's cool.

want to say, even if you don't listen to ATP, Marco Armin, the guy who makes our overcast,
one of the hosts, one of the co-hosts of ATP.

It's like two weeks ago, maybe where you talked about that.

I actually recommend just go back, go listen to that episode where Marco talks about
setting up 48 Mac minis to do local transcription and his adventure.

It was, that's an all time great podcast segment of across any podcast.

Spoiler we might talk to them on Mac power users about that in the future I Do I do have
some potential guests for this show though Jason I have to talk to you about it's pretty

exciting One of them just wrote a book about robots that might come on the show Aha, aha.

So anyway, I'll just tease that our listeners might know who that is and last thing I
wanted to mention We have really cool listeners all across the world.

I know we have multiple ex Apple people that listen to the show

Some text me while they listen in real time, which is fun.

But one who has listened to a long time in the communities, Daniel sent me an email.

He worked for Apple from 86 to 94.

So not during the Steve Jobs era, but he literally sat across from Phil Schiller in the
Apple marketing group years before he was Phil Schiller, he says in the email.

And also worked to get products placed in certain things like movies and TV shows.

And he sent a bunch of pictures on like projects that he worked on.

And I just wanted to this because I thought it was super cool.

Things like in Forrest Gump, when Forrest looks at the letter in the mail and you see it's
from Apple Computer, he worked on that.

And also in Jurassic Park, there's an Apple Macintosh Quadra 700 that you see in the
background behind Samuel L.

Jackson during a scene, which is amazing.

Worked on that product placement.

And also in Seinfeld when Jerry uses a Macintosh Duo there.

yeah.

Duo, which was a laptop with a docking station, which almost seems ahead of its time.

So, Daniel, former Apple, really cool.

Thanks for sending that.

And yeah, if you're an ex-Apple and you have some cool stories from uh now or back in the
day, especially now, we'd love to hear it.

This is what I was saying.

Love!

We would love to talk to you.

All right, before we get into all the big AI news, there was moon news.

I should have made the quote.

I didn't ask you the quote.

Do you have any idea what movie that's from?

It's pretty obscure.

Actually, I vaguely think that it's from one of the movies my children made me take them
to the theater to see, which means it's either Pokemon or Guardians of the Galaxy.

And I don't know which one.

Which which Guardians of the Galaxy?

Okay, I've seen all three of them with my boy.

This is the thing my boys and I do.

actually went and saw Super Mario Galaxy this weekend because it was terrible, but it was
a lot of fun to take my kids.

That's what I'm seeing.

People are like reviewing the movie poorly, but then people with kids are like, you know,
it's whatever.

It's a fun watch.

I think even my older son was like, they didn't actually have to make this into a movie.

It was a fun game, but I'm not sure it's actually a movie, but it's fine.

That's not the reason you take your boys to see movies.

Yeah.

So yes, you're right.

You got it again, Guardians of the Galaxy.

And because I wanted to mention the moon because the Artemis 2 mission and the crew of the
Orion did their lunar flyby.

I'll put links to NASA's image page, which is images.nasa.gov, where they have a bunch of
high-res images of the moon and of the mission, which is amazing.

And also, I tried building like 18 different shortcuts this past week because I wanted
ways to easily pull the high-res images from the Artemis 2 mission.

And NASA uses Flickr of all services to host their images in addition to like on their
website.

And it like, why are we still using Flickr, Jason?

Like I understand this is a government agency.

like, Flickr?

listen, a lot of people are still using Flickr and like Web Summit still uses Flickr,
South by Southwest still uses Flickr, all these places.

I don't know why I just convinced an organization to move from Flickr to Google Photos
like literally this week.

Actually, it was it was actually the easiest thing I've ever tried to convince anyone of.

was like, yeah, let's just do it.

We're feeling like an AWS bucket or something like just put the images somewhere where
they're accessible because everything from NASA is like copyright free like anybody can

take these photos use them however you want so there's no like copyright so I wanted to
make a shortcut and I was like all right well Flickr has an API you have to pay for it so

I literally bought a year of Flickr Pro so I could get access $80 so I can get access to
the API because I wanted to do something cool and then I created the shortcut

It pulled the latest images from the Flickr page and a bunch of people shared it and then
Fernando Silva, very kind of him, actually included it in a 9to5mac article and the

shortcut died because the Flickr API was like too many requests.

I was like, I paid for this API.

He didn't tell me there was any usage limits.

And so it just totally borked.

So I had to create a different version that's now linked in the 9to5mac article.

And then Federico Vettici, the true shortcuts king,

He created this version where he basically just like linked to specific images and just
they just used the raw URLs for the original sizes and made it so you can make them all

into wallpaper.

So you know what download his shortcut.

It's called lunar wall and it's in the MacStories article and it's really good.

So you should get that.

But I also wanted to mention after we recorded last week's episode I was at the Artemis 2
launch but I also went to like this YouTube dinner thing and I met Brandon Butch YouTuber.

He's got like one and a half million subscribers.

He's a really cool guy.

Really smart business sense.

He was telling me how he runs his channel, but he's he's really cool They got to meet him
so took a selfie there and a couple other quick follow-ups I did actually get my refund

for my studio display XDR VESA mount This is the screenshot of it hitting my Apple card a
refund of $430.

So look at that.

I feel better about it

pay a lot of tax down there in Florida.

I know 400.

mean, that's like what is that like a almost 8 %?

Yeah, but.

And I appreciate that it happened because I wrote it.

I got to write an article about you getting a refund.

It was it was perfect.

It's like Apple fixed a $400 pricing mistake with four sentence email buddy.

Go ahead.

that uh the moon photos are out there, I've set these moon photos as my wallpaper, and now
the XDR feels really worth it.

Especially now that it's cheaper, because those blacks are...

That I can understand that that would make a lot of difference But I think I just want to
say one more time and I actually heard the ATP guys speculating on this too this morning

because I was that's what I do on Thursday mornings I listen to everything that they talk
about and then I that's I'm just kidding.

That's not really true, but

That is true, that is what you do, but that's fine.

I mean, you listen...

no, no, no, but you listen to it before we record this show.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

but because I listen to the bootleg feed.

um I it sounds weird.

I don't like their regular feed.

It sounds too polished or something.

I don't know.

Anyway, that's that doesn't matter.

ah But I think this was just a mistake.

I literally think they just goofed.

They meant to charge a different price because they're charging a different price for the
non XDR one.

I think they just.

biffed it and then they won't but they don't want to say that so oh absolutely no it's
definitely a golf term

Isn't Biff the guy from Back to the Future?

What's the guy's name from Back to the Future?

The bad guy?

It's not the villain, but I guess time is the real villain.

Yeah, it is Biff.

Biff Tannen.

Anyway, sorry, this is a fun energy show right here because I don't know what's happening.

Last thing before we get to the AI stuff, I wanted to mention I did...

receive AirPods Max 2 in the mail April 1st and I posted pictures of them because I got
the starlight version I come on these look silver aren't these silver I'll link my post in

the show notes too if you're listening you can watch it

That's the picture.

That's what I was thinking of.

That looks like the

earcups are slightly off-white, but the backs of them, like, that's just straight up
silver.

I mean...

definitely just silver.

But if you go back to the other one, the the yeah, the uh all I'm saying is I definitely
had a teacher in middle school who drank a lot of coffee and that's the color of their

teeth.

Thank you.

Like, Jason's just thinking about teeth now because of it.

But look at that, mean, that looks better.

Anyway, I did get an engraving on it and I kind of like it.

It's very small and discreet, but.

is how you know Stephen can't return them.

I no, well can return an engraved item in two weeks.

Can't you?

I don't plan to return these, but-

What would they do with them?

I don't know, buff it out, sell it refurb, someone get my SSR AirPods Max.

And Basic Apica, I was taking guesses on my middle name and actually it's Sir Steven
Robles.

That's the SSR.

I've been knighted.

I just haven't told anybody.

Anyway, AirPods Max 2, guess what?

They sound good.

The ANC's good.

Transparency's good.

They still clamp your head pretty hard.

At least if you have a big head like me.

because being knighted is the kind of thing you'd want to keep a secret.

If I was knighted, I would be so loud about it.

Yeah, I I know, I know.

would literally be posting about it nonstop.

Who is knighted?

There's Sir Ian Kellan, Sir Patrick Stewart, Sir Elton John.

Isn't Sir Johnny Ive, wasn't Johnny Ive knighted?

Yeah, Johnny Ive was knighted.

How do I get knighted?

I'm not gonna become an EGOT.

I've given up on that dream and of being a five-star podcast, but can I be knighted?

If you can...

If you can hold on to your five stars for a month, you can be knighted.

would Dame Judy Dench.

Can she?

She can't knight people.

You have to be knighted by like...

Anyway, I don't even know.

I'll look this up later.

I think so.

think so.

Anyway, so the AirPods Max 2 might have been...

she would be just getting could you knight me please?

Do think that if that was happening, she just like sure you're knighted.

Why not speaking of silly purchases I bought this Magsafe e-reader and I made a little
short about it yesterday.

This is the jankiest e-reader ever It's Magsafe, but the battery is placed Poorly and so
the only way to attach it to your 17 Pro Max is perpendicular Unless you have the iPhone

air and then it'll fit and so I posted about this like don't buy this This is $70.

You have to put

EPUBs on here via the micro SD card in the side.

You can't wirelessly transfer that doesn't work yet.

And so I was like, don't buy this.

This is a silly purchase.

And then someone posted on threads and they were like, actually, if you flash this other
operating system that you could download off GitHub, this thing's really cool.

I was like, I didn't want to tell him, but like, listen, I'm not doing that.

I'm not doing that.

But I wanted to.

Yeah.

and I thought I hadn't watched it yet.

But if this is one of those videos where Stevens like definitely don't buy this thing that
I'm not going to tell you why you should buy it because it's super cool.

was going to be really mad at you.

So I'm glad you stuck with it.

This is going to be the first video you've ever said don't buy a thing.

I don't usually do don't buy a thing videos, but I saw, you know, Snazzy Labs has talked
not about this one, but other e-readers that attach to the back of your phone.

It's also not a touchscreen.

You have to use the physical buttons, which I get it.

Like, it's small.

But anyway, I wanted to talk about dubious purchases because I bought the AirPods Max 2, I
bought the silly e-reader, and our bonus episode today, I bought something much more

expensive that might be even more dubious.

And I have not told Jason yet, and he's wondering what it is.

So I just want to tease that.

about, I've been asking Claude, what might Stephen have bought?

This one okay, we're gonna talk about AI right now.

Can I just say I don't like how much AI is telling me it knows about me like I asked it I
asked Jim and I this was a question That the family was asking in the cars.

We were driving home yesterday And I was asking my wife was wondering do fish know what
direction is up?

Because in the water if you're underwater your entire life Do you know which direction is
up?

Because you know, it's kind of...

Why would you not know which way is up?

Well, if you've only ever swam in water, weightless.

You're not weightless in water.

You literally are.

That's why space astronauts train in pools.

You're not weightless.

You're just somewhat buoyant.

And so you it's reduced effective gravity, but you're not weightless.

Yes.

Do know why?

Because the sun is up.

Well, that's actually one of the reasons.

Jim and I...

No, I don't think it was obvious.

I thought they knew what direction is up.

I knew that you were forever trapped in a sinking ship and you didn't know what direction
is up.

You follow the bubbles.

The bubbles.

The bubbles go up.

But apparently fish have like these little like things in their ear canals that are
weighted and so gravity pulls on those and so fish know that and also because light.

ah They know light is up and so if you shine a flashlight in an aquarium...

Sometimes fish will swim at a 45 degree angle because they'll think the light is like the
fake light is the sun.

So yeah, light and wind.

seen an aquarium full of fish swimming it not the correct way?

I mean, I understand sometimes you see them, you know, make maneuvers.

I've never seen fish not swimming the right way up.

question.

Like, it was interesting that, yeah.

the answer would be obviously yes, because they all swim the correct way.

But then like whales and stuff, aren't actually fish, but you know, they'll swim upside
down, they'll turn around.

they don't, yes, they do that, but it's an intentional maneuver is what I'm trying to,
it's like, do the F-35 pilots know which way is up because sometimes they do a barrel

roll?

Yes, they still know which way is up.

So all of that says, so I just want to read you the beginning of Gemini's answer.

It says, yes, fish absolutely know which way is up.

They don't guess, they rely on sophisticated blah, blah.

Second paragraph, since you're a content creator who uses high-end cameras like the Sony
a7 IV, you can think of a fish like a stabilized gimbal.

I don't like that.

I don't like that it like throws random context about me in a question about fish.

So I don't know, I didn't feel good about

I was wondering how I was really trying to figure out how it like made the leap to the
camera, but I guess that works.

But I don't that that's fine.

I think that's fine.

but like, I feel like it feels a little thirsty to like throw in just personal details
about myself.

So the AI is trying to signal to me that it knows about me and it's personalizing its
answers based on our conversations.

I don't know.

feels weird.

It feels a little weird.

I mean, if it would have answered the question with you know, you could charge $200,000
for five reels about the subject if you get connected with aquariums.com.

Yeah.

if it could land that deal with the Florida Aquarium I'm down for that Speaking of deals
great transition by the way Open AI acquired a podcast after we recorded last week They

acquired TBPN which apparently originally was like the tech bros podcast Which they've
since distanced themselves from that name, but if you're not familiar

in name.

They've only distanced themselves in name.

Correct.

TBPN is a live streaming podcast.

have like it's like a two to three hour show.

It's a video show primarily.

They've had lots of like tech founders and people on the show.

Well, they made this deal.

OpenAI has acquired the show.

They average about 70,000 viewers per episode and the deal is like a nine figure deal.

I don't know if the exact number was 150 million dollars.

and is going to be part of OpenAI.

OpenAI has supposedly stated that they're going to remain not neutral, but like that
they'll still be able to operate how they operate.

But it's like, listen, you have a lot of news that you want to get out there and a lot of
positioning that you want to have OpenAI.

Like surely TBPN is going to be used as like uh a channel for that.

Exactly.

So it's like, hey, listen, TBPN guys, get your bag, I guess.

Like, fine, that's great.

If someone offers us nine figures for this podcast, we'll probably take it.

And then we'll probably start a uh podcast called like, Primary-ish Technology or
something.

Yeah, then that'll be independent.

But yeah, okay.

But you thought this was silly.

Well, I mean, good for the guys who just pocketed 150 million.

And the only downside is they have to go work at OpenAI.

But they'll probably get some stock and that probably will turn out fine for them.

I think this is so interesting, because the mythology of Sam Altman is that he's like the
greatest fundraiser in Silicon Valley, which seems to have borne itself out.

I mean, the guy's raising like insane amounts of money for for something that is not
making any money.

So good for him.

Right, right.

there are two pieces to this.

One is he doesn't seem like he's making deals because I don't know how this is worth $150
million.

Their most recent year that says they made $5 million in advertising revenue and they only
have 70,000 viewers.

Now I'm not saying that's like nothing.

Now they do a show every day I think for like three hours, I guess is what the but

So they have a lot of ad inventory they can sell.

get all that, I'm like, you paid $150 million for 70,000 viewers though?

Like Steven, like we're not that far off.

I mean, we have a ways to go, but we know people who have podcasts with more viewers or
listeners than that.

Absolutely, and I think a couple interesting points one a large part of their distribution
is on X Because they stream to X and that is going to be very curious how Elon Musk if he

does anything to like Adjust the algorithm for the deep It's just turn up like you and you
know, they've had a storied history so interesting

between the two companies starts like very soon and one of the things he's asking for Elon
Musk is that Sam Altman be removed as CEO.

Like that's actually part of the case.

Right.

So that's curious.

Two, like if the tone of the show changes, like the reason it has as many viewers as it
does is because people like the show as it is.

And so if they try to change the show, like that's inherently going to change the
viewership and listenership.

So that's another part of it.

Also, this deal was brokered by the CEO of apps or whatever, or C.I.

of A.G.I.

development now, which is Fiji C.mo.

and she's been behind a lot of the deals and acquisitions recently.

Unfortunately, she is suffering from health issues and she's about to take a leave of
absence for an unknown period of time.

If you listen to Dithering, know uh John Gruber has some contacts within Love From, which
is connected to OpenAI, and people were saying like even in recent months, Fiji Simo has

not been physically present at the OpenAI offices.

She's just in Slack a lot.

but she also brokered this deal with TBPN and lots of others, but also just feels like uh
a difficult time to then step away after making these deals and trying to make all these

changes.

So it feels weird, man.

well, everything feels weird.

One, I think that what was revealed in that conversation that you were referring to is
that she's never worked at Open AIS headquarters, which is in San Francisco, and she lives

in LA, and she's only ever been.

Working that way and like the deal is she's available basically at all hours in slack,
which is a terrible way to live your life I just have to be honest like it's just terrible

but but all of the things that she was hired I think from Instacart maybe as the CEO of
applications and now she's the CEO of a GI which what does that even mean?

You are the CEO of digital God.

Does that make you digital God?

Like if you are the boss of digital God

boss.

Oh, that's true.

If you're God's boss.

Oh my-

that.

Like that is, there's a lot of layers happening there, I don't even, but what that just
tells you is it's just words.

It is just words that mean absolutely nothing, which just goes back to the point I was,
the second point I was going to make about the deal with the TV PM, which is that this

just shows you what happens when you have too much money.

Like you you have a product that doesn't make money but people are willing to give you
money anyway and then you have to figure out things to spend that money on it's like

people who win the lottery right and they're just they buy stupid stuff it's like I have
set now I have 700 pairs of shoes 13 houses I'm trying to get a jet yeah I don't even know

how to drive a Ferrari but I have two of them in the garage and if I ever take one out
it'll be the last thing I do and also I'm gonna file for bankruptcy because I have no

money left it's like

I don't understand how this story is going to end, but it doesn't seem good.

Yes, so there's that there was also this very odd clip of Sam Altman I guess they also
kind of do an internal video podcast sometimes and John Gruber linked to it, but he links

to this post.

It's the open AI newsroom X account Which again just wild to me that X is still where all
these companies Send like full-on video and like Sam Altman and Elon Musk just hate each

other.

Just very strange.

But anyway in this clip

Sam Altman is talking, which can I just say if Sam Altman's gonna force himself onto a
podcast like TBPN regularly, it's not gonna be an exciting podcast.

I'm just saying.

I'm not trying to like down, he's just not a great podcast personality, I feel like.

And in this clip, which it feels like they're trying to do something podcast-y, but
they're just sitting around a table talking, Sam Altman compares this moment, quote

unquote, namely the cusp of AGI.

And he basically goes on this long story of what it felt like right before the pandemic
hit in 2020 and how he wanted to go for a long walk before he knew he was going to be shut

in his house for months.

And he's like, that's what this moment feels like before AGI.

It's like, is that supposed to be comforting?

Is that supposed to be like, we want this, that this is good?

What does this even mean?

Anyway.

I don't don't I don't think it's Also, I feel like again, if we're going to have someone
whose job is to bring forth this society changing thing, we need a better spokesperson.

We need someone who's a little bit better at explaining it than saying we are in the days
just before the pandemic.

Just maybe he doesn't remember the pandemic because like he

detailed story about it.

what I'm saying is it probably affected him different than it did me who the day before we
knew they were shutting schools down for what they said was two weeks and I looked at my

wife and said it will not be two weeks.

They're not going back to school for a long time.

And she said then you have to go to the grocery store and buy all the toilet paper, which
is what I did.

I didn't you know what?

There were two things left the day before they shut stuff down.

There was only two things left to toy.

I'm saying not a good period of time.

Not a good period of time.

don't think anybody remembers it fondly.

I don't think so.

Although my kids, the only thing that we think of is fun is like we got to all be together
for a long time.

And then we were all still together for very long time.

There was a point of time where my wife and I looked at each other and realized our
daughters who one was a gymnast and one was a soccer player, we had been the soccer

player, especially was able to go outside and because there was also outdoors, but they
had to wear a mask and our gymnast, would they came up with other ways of doing practice,

because if you're a gymnast and you don't continue to train, you're no longer a gymnast.

But our boys who are very young at the time, we looked at each other one day in probably
like June and we're like, they've literally not left this house.

Not for a thing in like four months, we have to go do something we have to go.

yeah, go somewhere, park or whatever.

So anyway, it's weird.

It feels a little bit like OpenAI is flailing a tad.

And I understand there's still tons of money funneling into the company.

It's not like they're flailing financially, but it does feel like directionally, maybe
leadership wise, they just bought a podcast.

I don't know.

It feels a little bit like flailing.

Does it feel that way to you?

Yeah, okay.

So here's an interesting thing.

Chat GPT was an accident, right?

It was an accident.

They didn't release chat GPT thinking it was gonna be the fastest growing consumer tech
product in the history of the universe.

They just were like, here's the thing we made.

And it was like, wow, this is amazing.

And so they were not prepared for what was going to happen next.

And this is actually a recurring theme.

We're gonna talk about Anthropocure soon, but even Claude, the fact that Claude code is so
good was an accident.

They did not build those models thinking this will be good at coding.

It just happened to be really good.

So what is what we are learning is that we don't always understand.

We're not don't always we don't understand any of the outcomes when they set forth to do
them, which means you can't build a predictable business model because you have no idea

what's going to happen next.

The next model might be better.

It might be worse.

It might hack into the Pentagon.

It might do like who knows what it's going to happen.

like that when you say it's flailing.

It looks like it's fleeing because literally that's what they're doing.

They don't know what is happening and they don't know how do we harness this or how do we
and by the time they figure out how to harness it, they will have built something that can

no longer be harnessed.

Mmm, that's pretty good.

And speaking of flailing they released a integration with 2b.

So that's the big new chat GPT feature Yeah, I mean Anyway, I don't use do you use
chetchip eat like well like your AI usage currently, you know You have the big four or

five or whatever.

I Mean you got you have Claude chetchip e t Gemini perplexity grock

is not an, it's a search engine.

It's different.

It's not a.

uh

did, I mean, I don't use perplexity anymore because I use cloud more.

percentage wise, what's your top three?

What are you using the most?

Second, third.

I would say most of the time it's right now split between Jet GPT and quad with so it's
probably 4040 those two and then maybe the other 20 % is Gemini.

And it kind of just depends on the thing that I need to do.

Or if I ask one of those two something and I'm like, you're so dumb.

Then I'll go to Gemini and be like, what's the real answer and Gemini will often give me
that.

So but Gemini I would actually to be honest, I would use more often if they had a Mac app.

I would use it more if that was the case.

It is just too cumbersome to just only be using it in a browser.

Correct.

Which do you use on your phone?

Do you have any of them on the home screen of your phone?

Interesting.

Yeah, I would say when it comes to shortcuts usage That's where I use chat GPT via its API
Because I have a bunch of shortcuts built in with those requests and it works well And so

I just keep doing that when I'm on the phone I'm using the Gemini app for like do fish
know what direction is up?

Like I'm using the Gemini for that or shopping like if I'm trying to find I needed to find
a trampoline replacement

I asked Jim and I, I asked for that.

On the Mac, it is mostly Claude.

I'm mostly doing Claude for shortcuts building for, I'm to talk about a little later.

Like if we did a page of my website and it was like really good and it did it really fast.

So it is Claude.

Well, my thing about cloud is that the Mac app is terrible.

It's absolutely the worst Mac app.

It's just it's just an electron app.

You might as well just be using it in Chrome.

It is such a bad Mac app compared especially to chat GPT.

And it is completely and utterly unpredictable.

If you say give me this thing, sometimes it will just give you text in a window.

Sometimes it will open a side pane with markdown.

Sometimes it makes you a Word document.

And then it says open it in pages.

And I'm like, why don't you just

menu of options and you won't do anything until you select an option and you're like...

Yeah.

Yeah.

to by the way, never make me a word document.

Like come on.

You don't know me at all.

I also find the copy to clipboard icon in Claude It doesn't work a lot of the time and I
have to literally select the text at least when it comes to like coding and regex I have

to like select it manually in the block code block.

But anyway

the one thing jgbt has started doing a couple of months ago is you actually have to copy
something twice.

You can select it all and it doesn't enable copy.

You have to do it a second time.

And they're like, no, we don't want you to leave.

So yeah, copy and paste is a struggle, but they bought a podcast for $150 million.

you've been able to copy and paste on the iPhone since 2008.

Surely the chat GPT app should have it figured out by now.

That is true.

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Now we talk about OpenAI and whether or not they're flailing or not.

But who's not flailing is Anthropic as far as the kind of models they're building.

And so they built

Mythos AI which let's just say epic name if you're call something mythos this thing better
be like legit this thing better be serious But this model mythos can apparently identify

and exploit software vulnerabilities apparently with unprecedented accuracy and So there's
some concern that this model could be used by nefarious actors And so anthropic is only

allowing like big companies to be able to use this model

and actually run this AI.

And so this is like, I guess exciting and scary.

There's, yeah.

and I think it's interesting, like, I sent you the NBC News link, because that just tells
you this is broken out of just the AI tech bubble.

This is NBC News that is reporting on this this new model.

It is interesting.

And this is why this is also difficult, because if what you wanted to do was show that you
are by far the leader in making a model that is smarter than everything else in the

universe.

The best case scenario is that you created a model so dangerous you can't give it to the
public, right?

But you're gonna give it to these other companies and let them use it to poke around in
their software and all that kind of stuff.

it's like, there's, this is like a marketing coup for Anthropic.

I don't think that they set out to do this.

I think what I said before is true, that they have no idea what the outcomes are going to
be when they start building some of these models.

And they're like, wow, this one is really good at identifying.

Vulnerabilities, so we probably shouldn't release it to the public because suddenly every
bank and every whatever is gonna be vulnerable to hackers who now have the strongest most

powerful tool in the universe Also, like it does seem to beg the question like should we
keep doing this?

They never asked if they should.

Jurassic Park.

why are we doing this?

Like, why?

Why do we keep doing this?

And why does no one think that this is a problem?

I mean, because this is the promise of AI.

Like, they're going to keep pushing because they want these tools to find a use or vice
versa for people to say like, okay, here's an unequivocal use for this model that is

valuable enough for companies to pay a lot of money for.

And now suddenly it doesn't seem like a bubble because they've created a product that is
actually valuable.

And if this is...

Really that good and companies like Nvidia Google Microsoft and even Apple are gonna use
this model to identify vulnerabilities and it does better than like, you know, I don't

know people know Apple will have uh What do they call it?

uh Bounties right like if people actually just yeah, there's like bug bounties like Apple
will literally actually know someone personally Not in my family, but like very close that

actually found a vulnerability in iCloud

reached out to Apple, they confirmed the vulnerability and they gave them a bunch of
money.

Like, Apple literally does that behind the scenes.

And so if this model can actually find all the vulnerabilities faster and find more
vulnerabilities than even the bug bounties of paying actual humans, well then yeah, that

is a legitimate use case.

Like, that's something that companies like Microsoft and Apple and Google would probably
pay a lot of money for.

But yeah, man, seems like if it's too scary to release to the public...

But I also get that because some dude with a bunch of MacStudio in his basement is gonna
try and get into Wells Fargo.

And so yeah, don't release it to the public, I guess.

Well, and the reason is like it is better because it doesn't need an app and it doesn't
require Red Bull.

Like it can just keep doing this, right?

No, I mean, like there is a there is a point in which it reduces all of the friction
associated with trying to hack into things, right?

It is better at finding these things than even humans.

But one of them doesn't need any human help to do it.

So, yes, you don't want to just release that freely into the world where the people who
might be inclined to do bad things with it can do that super easily.

But I also just feel like.

We I don't think we are prepared though for a world where this becomes the norm, right?

are the many of the things that keep us safe today are predicated on the idea that it
would simply take too long for computers to find the way in, right?

Encryption encryption is just based on the fact that the math is just hard enough that it
will take too long for a computer to get through.

That's why quantum computing.

is a problem, right?

And so that's why there's post quantum cryptography to like, develop cryptographic
algorithms that can't be broken in a matter of hours or days instead of 1000 years or

whatever.

if you're able, like many of the vulnerabilities that exist in all of the stuff that we're
using on a regular basis is simply, we're just kept safe because like, it's just too hard

to find them, right?

It's like security by obscurity, right?

Like we just don't know that these things are there.

And so now suddenly we're to know that they're there now.

It is good for companies like Apple and Microsoft especially to have the ability to find
those bugs more easily because if they exist, they're a vulnerability and you can't just

count on the fact that someone won't find them and to keep us safe.

So that is good.

But I also just think there is a part of this where maybe it was better.

Maybe the trade off was better when it was harder for us to find the bugs to patch them.

But it was also really hard for the bad guys to find the bugs.

So they weren't exploiting them.

Now we're just making it easier for everyone.

It's kind of like if you put the back door in the encryption, then the good guys and the
bad guys can use it.

I'm wondering, it's like, at some point we will have crossed the line and we're like,
maybe we should have stopped.

Maybe we just shouldn't have done this.

Yeah, I'm gonna put this link in the show notes.

Apple's article about quantum secure cryptography.

oh One, I've talked about the quantum computing video that I've watched with Hannah Fry.

She goes to IBM.

And there's like two quantum computers in the US, and it takes an entire facility to run
it because they have to cool the chips down to zero Kelvin, colder than space.

It is crazy stuff you have to do to be able to get

quantum computing to just work.

So this is not something some bad actor can do in his basement.

And so if you're on the quantum secure level of cryptography, you should be good.

But that's also assuming there are no vulnerabilities around those safeguards.

And that's what maybe this model would find.

But yeah.

Let me say one thing about that.

The risk right now is not that the guys in the basement are going to be able to get into
the stuff because they can't because there's your right quantum computing is not

ubiquitous.

You don't have access to it.

Like you have to go like the Mayo Clinic or somewhere else that IBM has like Google has
one whatever the risk is they're just scooping up all the data right now.

They can't do anything with it now.

But eventually everything that is not protected by quantum secure encryption will be
decodable.

Right.

They will be able to get all of that data.

So that's why the race is on now, because you need to make algorithms that will resist
quantum computing, even though those things don't exist, even though the quantum computing

capabilities are not there now, because all China has to do is scoop up everything on the
Internet.

And someday in the future, whether it's two years or 10 years, they're like, sweet, now we
can just get we can we can decode it all.

And so that is like where the real risk is.

It's not that someone can hack into your bank account today.

It's that everything on your hard drive or everything that you sent on the internet,
right?

Because everything you send back and forth on the little S and HTTPS, right?

It means it's encoded.

The traffic back and forth between your computer and a server is encoded.

But if they just scoop it all up anyway, fine.

Someday they'll know.

Sheesh.

Well, if you just got uh some bad feelings like I just did, just try to ask Claude or Jim
and I what today's date is, and you might feel a little...

No, you won't.

will not feel better.

Because they can't they don't know what today's date is So we're still hopefully a little
ways off.

Anyway, so that's mythos AI but also some anthropic news apparently a court has declined I
I hate how these headlines are phrased.

I understand why these court can't It's a triple negative.

It's so annoying.

So a US court declines to block Pentagon's anthropic blacklisting for now

Okay, I'm going to explain this.

I'll explain this for you.

Okay, you may remember listeners that the Pentagon because they were real real mad at
anthropic because they wouldn't let them like a time whatever I'm not even going to get

into that part, but they were real mad.

So they said fine.

You won't let us do anything we want with it.

We're going to say that your supply chain risk again the logic there doesn't make any
sense.

So anthropic sued said ah we would like you to not be considered a supply chain risk.

They filed a case in a federal court.

and asked the court in the meantime to issue a preliminary injunction that would pause
that.

They would say, until we decide the case, please, just we'd like to keep operating the way
that we were.

And what the court did is, we're gonna hear the case, we haven't decided the case yet, but
we are not going to issue that injunction that blocks that for now.

So what that means is that the Pentagon can continue to just remove Antropoc from its
systems.

It could still be the case that in the future,

that designation gets reversed.

I don't know, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know ton about this, but typically I believe
that if the court, a court will issue a preliminary injunction when it thinks that it's

just like sort of eyeball test more likely than not that you might prevail.

Like we don't want to have irreversible damage now if you're probably gonna win later,
right?

So the fact that they didn't do that means that the court is not convinced that either of
those things are true, right?

That there's irreversible damage now or that they're

doesn't mean the court is saying you don't have a case and you're going to lose.

It just means that balance of equities was not high enough to be like, and we should pause
this right now.

So that's, that's what the headline means.

Right.

Thank you.

Thank you for that.

So still like in process of whether that happens.

Last thing, anthropic, actually have another product that handles the part of building AI
agents.

And so they're trying to create products to build AI agents to do things.

like robots building robots, basically.

And I'm going to throw in here, I actually interviewed Microsoft's VP of like core AI
stuff for SaneBox.

I know I just said a lot of words there.

actually, just I know, but I just talked to I just talked to this guy yesterday.

And it's interesting.

He was like, yeah, I got agents running everywhere.

I got this agent running Excel over here.

I got this agent that books my travel over there.

And so like, you know, internally, how these like AI teams are using AI agents is quite
interesting.

uh But anyway, that conversation will come out probably maybe a month or two from now.

But

Yeah, agents building agents.

is like, maybe you could build something useful, but I don't know.

We'll see.

you know, what if the agents are mad at you and they build agents you don't want to have
around?

If they don't know what today is, can they even do anything bad to you?

I don't even know.

It's true.

They have to chase you through the future.

It's like, what was that?

What's the Justin Timberlake movie or whatever?

Time out of town.

Yeah.

You listen, that is not a great movie.

But it is an excellent it's sorry out of time is the Denzel Washington movie.

The Justin Timberlake time movie is please don't tell me it's just in time.

No, it's just in time.

In time is it but it's actually I think Nate and I talked about it on movies on the side
like the premise and like the

It is a good watch, I'll say that.

entertaining movie and I think Cillian Murphy's in it and I just always think of him as
Scarecrow.

Yes, he is in it.

Amanda Seyfried, Olivia Wilde, they're all in It's actually really good.

Basically the premise of the movie is like in the future the currency won't be like
dollars and money.

The currency is literally time and when your time hits zero you die and you have to like
work for hours and weeks and minutes and anyway it's it's correct and so it is a really

interesting movie but anyway the no no no you can go listen to our movies on the side
episode on that.

in time, which is a now video in the last couple episodes and movies on the side still
featured in Apple Podcasts for video.

YouTube is going to make it easier to, has made it easier to deep fake yourself.

This was from the Neil Mohan, CEO of YouTube announced earlier this year that you can
create an AI avatar of yourself and then tell YouTube to make a video with my avatar.

And it's like rolling out and it's going to work in shorts and like, no.

I'm not going to be doing that.

I think YouTube missed a huge opportunity here to stake a claim as the we're the real
video people.

We are so creator friendly that we are going to be just hold the line and say we we take
the video from the people who are real from the Steven Robles from the Brandon Bush,

whatever like in.

And that's going to be our thing.

I understand in a conference room somewhere in, you know, Mountain View that it's like,
well, what we're doing is making it easier for creators to just make infinity videos of

themselves.

And if there's infinity videos, then there's infinity ads.

I get that.

Except no one wants to watch those infinite

videos, which just degrades the entire experience for everyone.

Like I don't know anyone who gets I had to close this thing because in Facebook, I had
opened the Facebook app for the first time in a couple weeks.

And it's like, you know how it shows you a thing of reels.

And it took me a second to realize, oh, it's literally just showing me that you can make
fake reels.

Like all of these are fake.

And it's actually not an ad, but like a feature bug for meta AI.

And I'm like,

No one wants any of that.

And except for the people who look at it and see dollar signs because all they do is
equate more content with more ads with more dollars.

And it's like, yeah, but the thing that makes your platform special is the content's real.

Like just stake that claim instead YouTube.

It's right there.

You can have it.

And sometimes scarcity makes something more valuable.

uh That's literally the point.

Supply and demand, yes.

But when it comes to content, yes, sometimes if you released 18 shorts every day, I think
people would lose interest, honestly.

so it's not like just because you can monetize more content and anyway.

It's not it's not great.

I won't be doing you if you see a deep fake of me.

I didn't make it It's some random person on tik-tok.

I'm just saying that I'm not gonna mention it again Yeah, yeah All right meta super
intelligence labs released their first model This is muse spark and this is like, you know

apart from llama and AI and you know Mark Zuckerberg wasn't happy with AI and what they
were doing before So he created super intelligence labs and now this is the first model

coming out of that, the superintelligence labs.

This is where they poached Apple people to, they went to work at superintelligence labs.

And this is supposedly a model that can use multiple agents on a single task to get a
better answer or a better end product from it.

So anyway, Meta's out there doing it.

I don't even personally think about Meta and its models and trying to use it in API.

Maybe I should.

Maybe this is a good model.

I don't even know, but Jason's shaking his head.

No, like the last company in the world that we want making AI products is Facebook.

And the only reason they make them is that they can use them to make infinity fake content
for ads.

Like that's it.

That's why that's the entire reason Metta has an AI.

Also because they figure if people are going to be using chatbots, they might as well make
the chatbots so then you can't leave their app to do other things.

That's pretty dystopian.

Like it's just none of it's good.

yeah, it's not great.

I really need to watch the movie Her.

I don't think I've ever seen it all the way through.

Have you seen that movie?

Yeah, I need to do that.

Anyway, ah no, this is the wrong order.

the, I'll just mention this.

beardfm.surf.social, I created a Surf Social feed.

Apparently Surf Social is this new product from the people who from Flipboard, I think.

And it's basically trying to be an aggregator for all things, not just RSS.

like an RSS reader, also like the Fediverse, so like mastodon posts and also podcasts and
YouTube channels.

And you can basically like create a feed and then follow feeds and it'll just have like
all the things.

I don't know.

I always try to jump on these things when they launch because you never know like if
something's going to hit.

But I don't know.

I don't I don't know.

I don't know if it actually is going to cut down on social media usage elsewhere or be
actually useful, but.

I don't know, but I have to say this is the worst user interface design of all time
because when you scroll through this feed, all of the thumbnails show up, which great, but

literally the second you like pause, even if you just pause long enough to scroll again,
it flips to auto playing the video really quickly.

And so all I see is Steven flashing at me constantly.

Steven's face just keeps popping up in my face.

It's like, this is not a good experience.

it's weird like they have Posts watch read listen and look and many of these tabs just
have the same content Like my watch has some YouTube videos my post that well, I guess

because I share them in post.

I don't know.

It's weird It's a new social aggregator.

It's trying to do stuff

Flipboard's trying to be relevant again.

There was a time when the majority of my traffic at Inc.

was driven by Flipboard.

yeah, not anymore.

It's been a long time since that was the case.

when Flipboard first came out for the iPad, like, it was one of the first apps on the
original iPad, and it was awesome.

Like, you could add your Twitter feed and you can add RSS feeds, and you can literally
flip pages like it's a magazine, see the articles, see the things.

The original Flipboard on iPad, I think was a great app.

Maybe let's just bring that back rather than this kind of weird like social feed and
Fediverse, but yeah.

but think about what happened.

All of the companies made their RSS feeds preview only, right?

And so, because they want the traffic on their own sites.

In Flipboard, the reason that it was valuable is because it was essentially just showing a
web view of your website.

So your ads were still native and stuff like that.

But there was a point in time when it was probably a good 30 % of traffic.

And today, I just checked in like the last 25 months, it represents...

It's less than a million views in 25 months, which is like a very small, very small
percentage, less than 2%.

Less than 2%.

That's interesting that people are still using it though.

I guess on that iPad 2 that might be still sitting around.

I don't even know what that could be.

Now you wrote about something this week and this was news.

So Amazon is cutting off some of the original Kindles all the way up to the first Kindle
Paperwhite and you'll no longer be able to get the Kindle Store and download new books on

it.

You can get books now, like download them real quick before the cutoff and then you can
use those forever I guess, but then you don't get the Kindle Store after that.

And it's like...

you deregister the device, it'll never be able to be registered again.

Why like why are they doing this?

I these are ebooks.

These are ebooks

That was a point I made.

You made a product, Amazon, that replaced something permanent.

You were like, here's a digital thing that's the equivalent of something that's permanent.

I have like a Bible that came from my great grandmother's house that is in our house.

And it's probably, I think that the copyright date on it was like 1870 or something like
that.

And it's fragile at this point because it's like 250 or 150 years old, but it's the worst.

You can still read all the words.

It still works just fine, right?

Like there's no need, it doesn't have to connect to anything.

It's just all the Bible is still there, right?

It doesn't have to sync.

It doesn't require Wi-Fi.

Yeah, yes.

It just all the words of the Bible are there.

The Bible, it's all there.

And so you offered a digital product that replaces that.

Now people understand that things like batteries die, the screen eventually is gonna die,
the buttons stop working.

All of that is understandable when you buy a digital product.

But what you don't expect is like,

I can't get more books on this thing that I paid for the whole point of it was books and
you're telling me that it won't work.

Google did the same thing with the original nest first and second generation thermostats
not that long ago.

They're like, they won't connect to Wi Fi.

I'm like, that's the whole point.

That is the reason people love the nest.

And there's some gibberish that they say about like, we're, you know, increasing
technology and stuff.

like, all it has to do is display books.

Just let it keep getting books.

It's not complicated.

These are the simplest pieces of technology and

The reason I think it's ridiculous, I don't have one of the ones I don't I think my Kindle
is it's old, but it's not so old that it'll be getting cut off.

So whatever.

The problem is, these are people who have been using your product for 15 years, they are
your most loyal customers.

Why would you do in my reason for writing this is that they sent it to the Amazon sent it
to them as a thank you note.

Thank you for being some of our longest customers.

And then they said a thing that just pissed me off.

It's like, we see you've gotten 14 to 18 years of use out of this.

Almost like they're saying, you've been hanging on too long, dude.

It's time to upgrade.

And what I think Amazon should have done, because they say that this is less than 3 % of
active Kindle users, is just sent them all in.

That would see that would have been a totally different story.

if they just said, Hey, we're gonna cut yours off in May because whatever we can't
continue to whatever.

Here's, you know, the base model new whatever, and it would probably cost them.

Let's say it costs them $100 million.

They spend more than that on paper cups for like coffee in the office like a month.

It's like, come on.

That would have been like a PR story for the ages.

Like that would have been amazing.

Yeah, that's a shame.

out here sending MacBook Neos apparently to biology teachers and Amazon won't send a $39
Kindle to a bunch of people who have been using them for 15 years.

it's so true and like they throw fire sticks in pretty much any whatever perches you want
like throw a candle in there

buy like Lysol wipes off of there and they'll include a Kindle for you.

I mean, an Echo.

if 2012 or earlier are the Kindles of being discontinued, and the one that hit me is like
the first generation Paperwhite, because I actually do still have that.

I actually gave it to one of my kids and it still works just fine.

And they were using the Kindle Paperwhite and I don't know, I think we upgraded them.

I don't remember.

We'll find out soon because if they can't get more books, it'll be evident.

like, man.

it's crazy.

I just think you should not do this companies when you sell a tech piece of technology.

You it's one thing when the people who make my Samsung or my LG refrigerator make them so
that the condenser goes out and it's too expensive to replace it.

But at least a piece failed.

Right.

Like it failed.

It's not like they're saying like the well I'm sorry the electricity won't run in it
anymore.

So you're going to have to replace it.

Like I get that things fail.

But if it continues to work.

People should be able to continue to use that technology for as long as possible.

And if you are designing the software that runs on them in a way that it will no longer
work, okay, and here's the thing, people are gonna be like, well, you have old Macs, they

don't get updates anymore.

Yes, but they still do the thing.

I booted up the G4 PowerBook yesterday.

It still does all the things it could do the day I turned it off.

And you can still go to apple.com in the web browser today.

Oh.

version of Safari is not supported on the internet anymore.

I'm actually working on this.

working on, think Kamino is the only browser that I can get.

But the problem is how do you get a web browser if you can't use the web browser?

I'm gonna have to, but I'm gonna, how do you download something if you don't have access
to a web browser?

I'm gonna have to do it on another computer.

Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna have to do that.

I'm gonna have to download.

USB stick.

This is a project, please do this.

And we do talk about this like in a personal tech episode.

But I do want to say like, e-readers, it's the way technology is today, so much of it is
ephemeral because it's updated so quickly.

Things like phones, even if you keep it for seven plus years, the battery is going to die
and getting it replaced, you you just get a new phone.

So much of technology is not permanent.

And e-readers could be.

And I feel like people, I know I do, there's an inherent affinity for a product that's so
good that you could use it for the rest of your life and not upgrade it.

And I think about things like this microphone.

I might use this microphone for the rest of my life and never update it.

And my shotgun microphone is another one.

It's been in, you know, for years.

And people talk about the Shure SM7B, the mic you use.

As like Michael Jackson used a version of that to record Thriller.

Like it's a product that has stood the test of time.

And there's so few products in the technology space that can say that because processors
get faster and software gets updated.

Like Kindle could have been like, we support our e-readers that are 30, 40, 50 years old
because all they ever need to do is display black text on a white background and, you

know, make an Apple like video of stories of people with their 20 year old Kindle.

and how they still have affinity for it.

So I don't know, it's a missed opportunity and yeah, just not great.

Steven, famously I'm using a 18 year old Samsung plasma television in our bedroom that's
55 inches and it still works exactly as good as the day that we got it.

It does, it has to sit on a dresser instead of hanging on the wall, because we don't have
a load bearing wall that we could put it on.

a cinder block wall for that thing.

Yeah, so anyway, I mean it's a shame.

If you have an old Kindle, I guess it's time to upgrade if you still want access to the
store.

Or you can get this $70 e-reader and load ePubs on a micro SD card.

Don't Yeah, don't do that.

I literally said don't do that in my post.

All right, last couple things.

Then I want to talk about Claude strikes again.

But Google brought vertical tabs to Chrome.

I don't do vertical tabs.

I do, but I don't understand why it took so long.

So when I read this, I'm like, what are you talking about?

Chrome has had vertical tabs all this time, but that's because I use Brave, which, but
Brave and Edge have both had vertical tabs forever.

What is Chrome's?

yeah.

It's so much better experience.

Oh, this is an existential crisis.

I've never...

crisis.

It's significantly better experience.

yeah.

Well, That's probably true, but tabs in general just suck on Safari.

They do know they do.

Stephen, hold on.

This is not even like debatable.

The way that like the truncates titles and words and all these things.

watching, can literally see all my tiny little tabs right now.

It is difficult to click them.

It's not and like there's this weird bug that's happening now where my far right tab uh in
Safari does not have a icon.

So I have to click over to a different one and click back to it if I want to close.

So there's some weird.

Sure.

But I mean, if I'm clicking.

Yes, you're right.

That's that's a true story.

I could just command W.

But if I'm moving around with my mouse, I don't want to to move my hand over to the
keyboard.

Anyway, my point is simply vertical tabs.

underrated.

pretty they're pretty good, especially if you are someone who has a lot of them open at a
time.

Because if you think about it, when you hover, it just sort of slides over and you can
actually see all of the titles of everything.

So does make it lot easier to scroll through.

You know, I might be being convinced in real time because as I'm looking at my tabs, I
have like three Verge logos.

I have no idea.

I have no idea what these things and even if I leave my mouse on it for a second, I see a
little preview.

It takes a long time.

Yeah.

feature though in in Safari that says always show titles or something like that or always
show website.

What does it say?

Always show website titles and tabs.

And if you click on that, what it will do then is when you like, you know, it'll always
show you a piece of it.

And then when you hover, it's like quicker to make that change over for you.

But anyway, I

checked that box and now I see I don't

what it does is it condenses the rest of them off the side so that you have a minimum so
you have to scroll through them now it's it is slightly better but it's like vertical tabs

are are good

I don't know, I might have revealed the bonus topic episode by doing that.

I don't know if you saw it.

Okay, great, great, great.

All right, leave us, please leave us a five star rating and review.

Vertical tabs?

Do you use vertical tabs?

I need to, now I really need to know.

Like if this is something that I've been missing out on from.

But obviously I think a lot of our users are using Safari, so they're going to say no.

Well, let's see.

You never know.

You know, you might win this one.

We'll see.

Vertical tabs, five-star rating review in Apple Podcast or emails,
podcast.primary.tech.com.

Last thing before we get to personal tech, Spotify.

Everybody likes Spotify's playlist generator, like making music.

They say Spotify's way better than Apple Music.

Although Apple Music now has AI-generated Apple Intelligence playlist, Spotify's now doing
it for podcasts.

So you can now prompt Spotify to create a playlist of podcasts and it will...

uh

Just put some random episodes of shows that it thinks you're gonna like and I know James
Cridlin of Podnews tried it and he could he was able to get an episode of Podnews placed

in one of these AI generated playlists.

I didn't have this feature yet.

I tried doing it, but It didn't come out.

guess it's No, is in the US Canada UK.

So it should be out but anyway, let us know if you try this and you see primary tech
actually pull into a Playlist that's pretty cool.

Yeah, that'd be great.

All right.

I want a personal tech I need to talk about how Claude struck again

in a good way.

Not Mythos AI, but...

It didn't hack into your uh whatever you have going on there your Plex server and delete
all your stuff.

No, no, no.

So I have a Squarespace website.

I've had it forever I have like 100 plus Squarespace websites and I like Squarespace for a
lot a lot of things They've never sponsored this show.

They sponsor Mac power users, but And literally every other podcast in the world

Squarespace, you know where we are, give us a call.

I am literally a Squarespace expert.

I feel like people don't believe me.

a member of their circle, everything.

it's yes, yeah.

Wait a minute, but are you listed like in their marketplace?

Wait a minute, for real?

I'm gonna search, I'm gonna search for it.

I don't know, I didn't know you were in there.

I thought you were, let's see.

I just searched for Jason Aten Squarespace, but then it's all your other links.

You have a Black Friday article from 2020 that comes up when I search your name on
Squarespace Expert.

So there's that.

There's that, hold on, I'm gonna show my bookmarks.

What a Squarespace expert is, I'm going try and talk about this while I look for my
listing.

Squarespace did this thing where it created a marketplace where if you wanted a website
built, but you didn't know how to do it, you could reach out to a quote unquote

Squarespace expert.

And here's my Squarespace expert page.

And you can see I literally built over hundred websites with Squarespace during this time.

They had partnered with 99designs and like people would basically request uh website
projects.

So anyway.

I use Squarespace a lot, Squarespace.

Sponsor this podcast just because I've always wanted to have you sponsor a thing I do and
you've never have, so please do it.

They do Mac power users, but they were already sponsored.

weird that we are the only by guest in America that you are not currently sponsoring.

So come on.

what I'm saying.

This is what I'm saying.

So anyway, I do a lot of Squarespace.

And so my current website, beard.fm, is also Squarespace.

Now, I went in there, and a couple of weeks ago, I wanted my homepage to always show my
latest YouTube videos.

And there was not a great way to do that natively in Squarespace using like Squarespace
blocks or whatever.

So I asked Claude to build me a thing.

And so Claude...

And I updated this yesterday gave me a script to just put in a code block because you can
just paste HTML code into a code block in Squarespace.

And now I have this live updating feed and my latest YouTube videos will always be shown
on my home page.

was like, that's cool.

Then I needed to update my smart home page.

I have a page on my website where I have all the smart home devices that I've ever used,
reviewed, all of them here.

They're all affiliate links and I needed to update it.

And so I logged into Squarespace.

And the way did it before is Squarespace used to have a built-in Amazon product block
where you add this block to the page, search for the product, and then it has the nice

image, a nice button, pulls the title, and adds your Amazon affiliate tag to the product.

And it was a great feature.

For some reason, Squarespace has deprecated that feature.

So you can't add an Amazon block anymore to a page, which kind of stinks.

And I tried finding, I tried editing just the Squarespace site.

with their built-in tools and there's not a great tool, block or otherwise, to create a
big page of grid products where I can add a product, a title, an image and a link and it

just be made nicely.

Like it's not an easy way to do that.

I would literally have to drag blocks over for all the different elements of each item.

And I was like, all right, I first thought maybe I'm gonna switch my website platform.

Maybe I'm gonna go to like ghost.

I already have my circle community and circle has a website builder.

Like maybe I'll do that.

I literally tried doing it in circle and had Claude in brave agentically trying to build
it.

And it took probably an hour to make one button.

And I was like, forget it.

Look, not doing that.

So I literally told Claude, I gave it the link to my current page on the website with all
the smart home products is, Hey, I need to remake this page.

I want to keep the images, keep the titles.

Actually, I said make the title shorter for each product because the Amazon titles are
crazy long.

I need to retain my affiliate links for every product and I want to keep my categories
which are anchor linked.

So if you go to this page and you click home theater, it jumps down the page and that's
called an anchor link in HTML.

I told Claude I want all of that to stay the same, keep it all.

It worked for about 10 minutes, gave me a bunch of HTML code.

I copy and pasted it and Jason it just worked.

It just worked and it did it so nicely where it has the image of the product.

There's a little animation when you hover over it shortened all the titles of the product.

So I don't have these crazy long Amazon things.

There's a literal buy on Amazon button for each of the things and it retained my affiliate
tag for all the products as well.

And I was like, okay, that's amazing.

But what happens when I need to change something and

The whole reason I started this endeavor was I needed to add and remove some products,
some products they don't sell anymore, like the Logitech Circle View Doorbell.

I didn't realize it's not sold on Amazon anymore.

And some I wanted to add, like the new doorbell that I tried, the G400 from a car.

And so I literally just told Claude, right, add these products, here are the links, and
give me the code all over again so I could just copy and paste it.

And Jason had did it again.

And I was able to just copy and paste it.

Added images the one thing it did struggle with was the actual image URLs Because Amazon I
guess makes that difficult for AI agents to like pull the raw image URL so for a few

products I had to go to Amazon click the image right click it and get image address But I
could plug that into the code myself and it just did the thing It I gave it my genius

links and it just made this thing and so now my smart home page is updated.

It looks great I even told it like you know what?

Take all these products that are kind of like home theater-ish, create a new category, put
them in that category, and it just did it.

It just did it.

So my TV's there, my new receiver, the sonospeakers, like everything is organized so
nicely.

Anyway, beard.fm slash home kit.

And you can see this page.

This page was totally made by Claude.

They didn't sponsor this episode, but they did save me a ton of time by just building
this.

So, and it's good for that.

It's good for that.

Yeah, I mean, I Dari Ahmadi is getting all the affiliate credit now, but I don't think he
cares.

I don't think he cares that much about the 13 cents you make off of a Sonos speaker.

No, no, I checked every link and made sure my tag was in there.

But I'm like, this is useful.

Have you ever used Cloud to redo a webpage on maybe a website that you help with or
anything?

No, I've not done that.

I have used it.

No, I haven't used cloud.

I use chat GPT one time to make me a web app.

Wait, was that Claude?

Maybe I use Claude to do that.

This is a while ago before I was like paying for Claude, but it actually did work.

It worked pretty well.

It like points to a Google Drive bucket and it just you can drag a folder of images on it
and it just puts them in there.

Listen, it's some people then were asking like, yeah, just wait, you'll make a whole
website with Claude.

And I'm like, I don't know if I want to do that.

Like, I don't know if I want to like roll my own HTML website and upload it to like an FTP
server.

Like, I don't know if I want to do that.

But I do like Claude building little thing.

And then for my YouTube thing on the homepage, it broke.

It wasn't pulling the latest videos anymore.

And so I told Claude, was like, hey, this thing broke.

Can you like try again?

And it tried giving me code.

It wasn't working.

And then it was like, listen,

And this is where the knowledge about you personally comes in handy.

Claude was like, hey, listen, I know you have a Cloudflare account because I've helped you
set up an R2 bucket before.

Literally, he's like, I know, I said he, it.

It was like, I know you have Cloudflare and I know this sounds crazy.

This is Claude talking to me.

says, listen, if we create a work job over in your Cloudflare account,

this is going to be way more reliable and work really consistently and it's not that hard.

I'll walk you through it." And the first time it told me that, I was like, no, I don't
want to do that.

Just give me the code.

Let's try to make it work.

We went back and forth.

It kept not working.

And then eventually after I told Claude, hey, that didn't work either.

Try again.

It was like, do you think it's time to try Cloudflare?

It literally said, is it time now?

And I was like, fine.

Let's try it.

It is the friend who's way smarter than you and wants to make sure you know that it's way
smarter than you.

But the problem is, Jason, it was right.

It did it.

you to know that it is way smart.

That's what I'm saying.

Google Gemini would have been like would have suggested it and then, okay, you can do it
your way.

That's fine.

It would have never tried to make sure you knew how much smarter you would have figured it
on your own.

And eventually, you'd have been like, Hey, that thing you said at the beginning, let's try
that now.

I found the conversation and I'm going to put it on the screen so you can see it in the
video but I'm going read what it says because it's hilarious.

It said, honestly, at this point, the CloudFlare worker is really the right solution if
you want it to update automatically.

It's about 10 lines of code and you already have a worker set up at oaktreepixels.com,
which is correct.

We did set up a worker previously.

Want me to walk you through adding a new route to your existing worker, you dummy?

It doesn't say the dummy part

didn't say the dummy part, but like that's like implied throughout this It was like the
right solution if you wanted to update automatically, bro You like this you I Said and I

literally said fine walk me through the cloudflare worker.

He's like great.

Here's the plan and the stupid thing worked it worked and I was so mad But it yeah, I
should have just done that Sometimes it knows better sometimes it knows better

sometimes, I mean, it almost always knows better.

It just also wants you to know that it knows better.

you know the scary part is though, I have no idea what that worker is doing.

I have no idea what that code is that I've deployed in my CloudFlare account and what that
thing is doing.

All I know is it works and it puts YouTube videos on my website homepage, but I have no
idea how to read that.

And that's not true.

Like if I actually read it, I would probably ascertain what it's doing, but like, I don't
know.

I don't know how I feel about this.

It's probably like, isn't that like the plot of office space where it's like they're
stealing a penny at a time from every transaction.

They're embezzling money one penny at a time.

So no one will notice the penny, but yeah, maybe.

I don't know.

load I don't know anyway so yeah that was my adventure with Claude so now we're gonna talk
about a bonus episode and I'm gonna reveal to Jason the really stupid thing I bought which

I'm really excited about it arrives today it arrives today so I'll be able to talk about
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